| Season perspectives 08:07 - May 4 with 46359 views | charlieB |
Great result yesterday against Sunderland. Credit to the players, the staff, and especially the 1000 or so amazing fans who made the trip – that kind of support, in a game with nothing riding on it, speaks volumes.
I’ve been reflecting over my morning coffee and just wanted to share a few thoughts. I know not everyone will agree, but hopefully it comes across in the spirit it’s meant – as a long-time fan trying to see the full picture.
Marti deserves credit for keeping us up last season – he did the job he was brought in to do. But this season, we saw many of the same problems. We started with tactics that didn’t suit the squad – too passive, too deep, no real cutting edge. The players looked unsure of their roles and lacking confidence. When we eventually changed approach, results picked up – but it took too long, and the early damage was done.
From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club. I won’t miss the terrace songs.
On the other hand, I think Christian Nourry deserves more credit than he gets. He’s only 28, but age doesn’t define ability. He inherited a tough job – tight FFP limits, a small budget, and a club that’s been firefighting for years. And yet, recruitment has clearly improved. Not every signing will be an instant success, but all have contributed, and a few could add real long-term value – which is crucial for us as a selling club. They’ll take time to adapt, but there’s a shift in thinking, and that’s progress.
The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news.
Of course, there’s a lot to do this summer. We need a head coach who suits the group, a more consistent playing style, and a couple of clever additions. But I genuinely feel more hopeful than I have in a while. There’s a bit of stability creeping in, and for once, it feels like we’re not just lurching from one short-term fix to the next.
One thing we do need to change though – the way we treat some of our players. Madsen’s taken stick all season, often when he’s done little wrong. Now it’s Dembele. It’s like we always need someone to have a go at. These lads are human. They need support, not abuse. Confidence matters.
Anyway, that’s just my view – take it or leave it. I’m not pretending everything’s perfect, but I do think there are a few more reasons for quiet optimism than people give credit for.
Thanks again to Clive – this board remains a brilliant space, even when we don’t all agree. Have a great summer everyone – and here’s to next season, hopefully with a new head coach who can take us forward on this mad old rollercoaster we all insist on riding.
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| Season perspectives on 17:49 - May 5 with 3374 views | Phildo |
| Season perspectives on 17:13 - May 5 by QPRKirty |
I agree smudge. I'm a teacher and chatgpt is an absolute danger. |
'Write in 300 words that the young dashing Ceo of qpr saved the club from a manager who was popular with the fans but was secretly a Chelsea fan who hated paella and estrella ' |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 17:52 - May 5 with 3346 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Season perspectives on 17:49 - May 5 by Phildo |
'Write in 300 words that the young dashing Ceo of qpr saved the club from a manager who was popular with the fans but was secretly a Chelsea fan who hated paella and estrella ' |
And licks badgers. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 18:01 - May 5 with 3233 views | smudgehoop |
| Season perspectives on 17:45 - May 5 by colinallcars |
AI is incapable of independent thought.
Last week in the Times they fed AI some phrases and sayings to see what transpired. Some of the sayings were made up like “ never lick a badger twice” The system then went on for multi paragraphs about what it meant whereas even a dullard like me would see through it. |
You're right.
If you feed random nonsense into chat GBT you'll get random nonsense out.
However, it is VERY good at writing articles if you know how to 'train' it accordingly
This can be what style and format you want, what arguments you want to make, how to open and close the article as well as using a persuasive tone.
You then revise / fine tune the 'drafts' that Chat GBT outputs using Chat GBT on its own drafts.
Finally you give the article a 'human' edit and you're done.
Compare the OP to the rest of CharlieB's posts and the difference becomes very clear imho. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 18:02 - May 5 with 3214 views | B_Wad |
For what it is worth, I often use AI detection software in my profession. I ran the OP through GPTZero and the result came back as "moderately confident this text was AI generated." |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:06 - May 5 with 3151 views | Paddyhoops |
Hoping the match report comes soon so it’s takes the spotlight of this now , utterly tedious thread. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:15 - May 5 with 3073 views | joolsyp |
| Season perspectives on 18:02 - May 5 by B_Wad |
For what it is worth, I often use AI detection software in my profession. I ran the OP through GPTZero and the result came back as "moderately confident this text was AI generated." |
I work in post-sec education and, to be fair, even the AI detectors are notoriously inaccurate. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:20 - May 5 with 3026 views | hantssi |
| Season perspectives on 18:06 - May 5 by Paddyhoops |
Hoping the match report comes soon so it’s takes the spotlight of this now , utterly tedious thread. |
Perhaps our Great Leader is running it through AI Chat GPT as we speak! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:21 - May 5 with 3000 views | dm97 |
This thread has really given new life to the GPT Nourry tag line |  | | |
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| Season perspectives on 18:29 - May 5 with 2952 views | FDC |
Is Chat GBT the tediously 'anti-woke' version of Chat GPT? |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:31 - May 5 with 2940 views | TauntonR |
| Season perspectives on 17:28 - May 5 by stainrods_elbow |
A paranoid post, for my money, as was the one that accused the OP of 'throwing a punch'! He wasn't. He was presenting a view some others obviously feel so threatened by they have to consign it the operation of some nefarious bot and/or make moral distinctions between legitimate posters and so-called trolls.
Perhaps if more than one person is drawing attention to the tendency of message boards toward cultishness/conformity/group thinking/scapegoating/bullying (whatever their merits, and, as I've frequently said, the quality of writing by Clive and a number of others on LfW is frequently outstanding), you might want to consider there's a point to be made? As Jung wisely pointed out, everything and everyone casts a shadow (as soon as you turn a light on there's a shadow), and the bigger the entity, the longer the shadow. The dangerous people are those who are so attached to their image of themselves as nice and sensible and adult etc. etc. (I'll mention no names), they don't realise they have feet of clay too.
Pointing this out should actually help everyone to me more self-aware, myself included, where these dynamics are concerned. It's telling, however, those it only makes angry and defensive. [Post edited 5 May 17:33]
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It was Charley himself who said he "would throw a punch " I hope figuratively speaking .
Mr Elbow I am an infrequent poster but having read a few of your posts know you like to get the facts right - no need to thank me for correcting your error | | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:31 - May 5 with 2925 views | Rsole |
| Season perspectives on 17:52 - May 5 by BrianMcCarthy |
And licks badgers. |
Stop projecting, Brian !! ! |  |
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| Season perspectives on 18:32 - May 5 with 2927 views | JamesB1979 |
| Season perspectives on 18:02 - May 5 by B_Wad |
For what it is worth, I often use AI detection software in my profession. I ran the OP through GPTZero and the result came back as "moderately confident this text was AI generated." |
Are you a teacher? My son tells me all the time that teachers can spot the use of it a mile off! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 18:36 - May 5 with 2881 views | Rsole |
| Season perspectives on 17:28 - May 5 by stainrods_elbow |
A paranoid post, for my money, as was the one that accused the OP of 'throwing a punch'! He wasn't. He was presenting a view some others obviously feel so threatened by they have to consign it the operation of some nefarious bot and/or make moral distinctions between legitimate posters and so-called trolls.
Perhaps if more than one person is drawing attention to the tendency of message boards toward cultishness/conformity/group thinking/scapegoating/bullying (whatever their merits, and, as I've frequently said, the quality of writing by Clive and a number of others on LfW is frequently outstanding), you might want to consider there's a point to be made? As Jung wisely pointed out, everything and everyone casts a shadow (as soon as you turn a light on there's a shadow), and the bigger the entity, the longer the shadow. The dangerous people are those who are so attached to their image of themselves as nice and sensible and adult etc. etc. (I'll mention no names), they don't realise they have feet of clay too.
Pointing this out should actually help everyone to me more self-aware, myself included, where these dynamics are concerned. It's telling, however, those it only makes angry and defensive. [Post edited 5 May 17:33]
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It’s not paranoia if everyone’s out to get you…. | |
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| Season perspectives on 19:40 - May 5 with 2636 views | Match82 |
| Season perspectives on 12:29 - May 5 by PeterHucker |
The original post by Charlie was written in a very different style to all his subsequent posts.
That's because the original post was generated by AI.
The giveaways are that it is flawlessly punctuated and the frequent use of the "m dash" symbol —
Charlie's subsequent posts have definite signs of being written by a real person. There is the occasional missing capital letter, an occasional space before an exclamation mark, that kind of thing.
I'm not saying that makes the original post untrue or anything like that. I'm just commenting on the very different writing style between that and all the other posts by this user.
Which makes me wonder why the thread was started with the AI generated text. Did Charlie generate it himself or did someone else generate it and give it to Charlie to post here?
If Charlie denies that the first post was AI generated then he's definitely full of it because, as I've said, it's a totally different style of writing. [Post edited 5 May 12:29]
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Didn't expect to learn something new on this thread but there you go. I'm constantly using the hypen in my emails to the point where I have to self police myself for overuse. I'm now learning that it makes it seem like I'm generating all my emails through chatGPT! |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 19:58 - May 5 with 2560 views | Rsole |
| Season perspectives on 17:28 - May 5 by stainrods_elbow |
A paranoid post, for my money, as was the one that accused the OP of 'throwing a punch'! He wasn't. He was presenting a view some others obviously feel so threatened by they have to consign it the operation of some nefarious bot and/or make moral distinctions between legitimate posters and so-called trolls.
Perhaps if more than one person is drawing attention to the tendency of message boards toward cultishness/conformity/group thinking/scapegoating/bullying (whatever their merits, and, as I've frequently said, the quality of writing by Clive and a number of others on LfW is frequently outstanding), you might want to consider there's a point to be made? As Jung wisely pointed out, everything and everyone casts a shadow (as soon as you turn a light on there's a shadow), and the bigger the entity, the longer the shadow. The dangerous people are those who are so attached to their image of themselves as nice and sensible and adult etc. etc. (I'll mention no names), they don't realise they have feet of clay too.
Pointing this out should actually help everyone to me more self-aware, myself included, where these dynamics are concerned. It's telling, however, those it only makes angry and defensive. [Post edited 5 May 17:33]
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You really are a dick. | |
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| Season perspectives on 20:03 - May 5 with 2534 views | R_from_afar |
| Season perspectives on 17:28 - May 5 by stainrods_elbow |
A paranoid post, for my money, as was the one that accused the OP of 'throwing a punch'! He wasn't. He was presenting a view some others obviously feel so threatened by they have to consign it the operation of some nefarious bot and/or make moral distinctions between legitimate posters and so-called trolls.
Perhaps if more than one person is drawing attention to the tendency of message boards toward cultishness/conformity/group thinking/scapegoating/bullying (whatever their merits, and, as I've frequently said, the quality of writing by Clive and a number of others on LfW is frequently outstanding), you might want to consider there's a point to be made? As Jung wisely pointed out, everything and everyone casts a shadow (as soon as you turn a light on there's a shadow), and the bigger the entity, the longer the shadow. The dangerous people are those who are so attached to their image of themselves as nice and sensible and adult etc. etc. (I'll mention no names), they don't realise they have feet of clay too.
Pointing this out should actually help everyone to me more self-aware, myself included, where these dynamics are concerned. It's telling, however, those it only makes angry and defensive. [Post edited 5 May 17:33]
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It's fine, healthy in fact, to have a debate where there are lots of differing opinions, but given what has happened since we were last relegated and the nerve-shredding season we have just had, with its bewildering and as yet unresolved final crisis, coming up with the statement below suggests to me that either the original poster has been paying very little attention, they don't care, or they have an agenda.
"There’s a bit of stability creeping in, and for once, it feels like we’re not just lurching from one short-term fix to the next". |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Season perspectives on 20:23 - May 5 with 2423 views | Rsole |
| Season perspectives on 18:01 - May 5 by smudgehoop |
You're right.
If you feed random nonsense into chat GBT you'll get random nonsense out.
However, it is VERY good at writing articles if you know how to 'train' it accordingly
This can be what style and format you want, what arguments you want to make, how to open and close the article as well as using a persuasive tone.
You then revise / fine tune the 'drafts' that Chat GBT outputs using Chat GBT on its own drafts.
Finally you give the article a 'human' edit and you're done.
Compare the OP to the rest of CharlieB's posts and the difference becomes very clear imho. |
Chat GHB immediately forgets everything you demanded of it.
Perfect for short term club (mis) management and low quality corporate memory.
Full disclosure - I’m long GHB and GLH product (because I’m worth it). | |
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| Season perspectives on 20:33 - May 5 with 2378 views | R_from_afar |
| Season perspectives on 17:45 - May 5 by colinallcars |
AI is incapable of independent thought.
Last week in the Times they fed AI some phrases and sayings to see what transpired. Some of the sayings were made up like “ never lick a badger twice” The system then went on for multi paragraphs about what it meant whereas even a dullard like me would see through it. |
I was struggling to find the answer to an obscure query I had about Italian football. That was in spite of including a lot of very specific information in the search criteria.
I had never previously tried an AI-driven search due to how much extra CO2 they generate (around 10 times more tgan a standard search), but thought I'd make an exception just this once.
Well, the search came up with a convincing answer first time.
However, when I checked the answer - the name of a football team - I discovered that the AI had been wrong. Interesting... | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Season perspectives on 21:01 - May 5 with 2241 views | Northernr |
"Yeh, I admit, it was written by AI" should probably be the end of this sham I reckon.
Not right. Not right at all. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 21:12 - May 5 with 2178 views | colinallcars |
| Season perspectives on 21:01 - May 5 by Northernr |
"Yeh, I admit, it was written by AI" should probably be the end of this sham I reckon.
Not right. Not right at all. |
And, I just noticed, two past participles in the same sentence!
No human would do that. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 21:12 - May 5 with 2175 views | Myke |
| Season perspectives on 21:01 - May 5 by Northernr |
"Yeh, I admit, it was written by AI" should probably be the end of this sham I reckon.
Not right. Not right at all. |
The thing is, if these things get oxygen in the first place they tend to take on a life of their own. Best ignored from the get go. Oh well, silly season in full flow I guess. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 21:13 - May 5 with 2169 views | Northernr |
| Season perspectives on 21:12 - May 5 by Myke |
The thing is, if these things get oxygen in the first place they tend to take on a life of their own. Best ignored from the get go. Oh well, silly season in full flow I guess. |
There's a lot more of this to come, sadly. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 21:20 - May 5 with 2111 views | colinallcars |
| Season perspectives on 21:12 - May 5 by Myke |
The thing is, if these things get oxygen in the first place they tend to take on a life of their own. Best ignored from the get go. Oh well, silly season in full flow I guess. |
Trouble is, people like me who are analogue didn't spot it as fast as up-to-date folk did. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 21:36 - May 5 with 2002 views | QPunkR |
Bit late to the anti-Marti party thread here but just wanted to say I've thoroughly enjoyed all 12 pages so far, albeit in a slightly jaded, sad way. What a silly little club we are eh |  |
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| Season perspectives on 22:22 - May 5 with 2039 views | colinallcars |
Marti remains hugely popular in Spain, according to my mate Manuel Gearbox. | | | |
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