| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:00 - Jul 4 with 2297 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 07:42 - Jul 4 by derbyhoop |
If you think Louie Barry is in our price range, I can put you in touch with a great investment opportunity with a Nigerian prince. |
Well the rumoured fee is 3.5m. With the increased TV money, improved club finances, any potential Eze of Kelman sale, why not? We can be a bit more ambitious now. We spent slightly more on Celar and Madsen combined last summer, it's not out of the realms.
I've also seen today Derby agree an 8m fee on striker Patrick Agyemang (no not that one). Acknowledge they have money from the Cashin sale, but we'd get more than that from any Eze sell on fee. |  | |  |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:22 - Jul 4 with 2202 views | JamesB1979 |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:00 - Jul 4 by QPRSam |
Well the rumoured fee is 3.5m. With the increased TV money, improved club finances, any potential Eze of Kelman sale, why not? We can be a bit more ambitious now. We spent slightly more on Celar and Madsen combined last summer, it's not out of the realms.
I've also seen today Derby agree an 8m fee on striker Patrick Agyemang (no not that one). Acknowledge they have money from the Cashin sale, but we'd get more than that from any Eze sell on fee. |
Well Kelman and Eze is all “potential”. You don’t sign someone with money you might have in the future. How much are we losing each month? We’d need money from a player sale to consider paying anything like 3.5m! | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:36 - Jul 4 with 2143 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:22 - Jul 4 by JamesB1979 |
Well Kelman and Eze is all “potential”. You don’t sign someone with money you might have in the future. How much are we losing each month? We’d need money from a player sale to consider paying anything like 3.5m! |
And saying I want us to sign someone is all potential, let a man live in fantasy land ffs!
Every club in this league are leaking money each month but I'll trust Kieran Maguire saying he believes we're the best run club at the moment. As he specialises in football accountancy, I'll trust that judgement | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:44 - Jul 4 with 2091 views | JamesB1979 |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:36 - Jul 4 by QPRSam |
And saying I want us to sign someone is all potential, let a man live in fantasy land ffs!
Every club in this league are leaking money each month but I'll trust Kieran Maguire saying he believes we're the best run club at the moment. As he specialises in football accountancy, I'll trust that judgement |
Ok, dream away. We’re losing between 1m and 2m per month I think is best estimate. I don’t care what other clubs are losing. We need our owners to continue to pay for these losses. I worry that we could end up like a Sheffield Wednesday. For me, we spend reasonably and keep within our means and get the losses down. Maybe boring but that’s what I want us to do. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:45 - Jul 4 with 2087 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:36 - Jul 4 by QPRSam |
And saying I want us to sign someone is all potential, let a man live in fantasy land ffs!
Every club in this league are leaking money each month but I'll trust Kieran Maguire saying he believes we're the best run club at the moment. As he specialises in football accountancy, I'll trust that judgement |
And we're the best run club BECAUSE we don't sign players like Barry.
Its not even the transfer fee, as that can be stretched over the contract length, it's the wages that we should avoid. Look at Sheff Wednesday, Hull etc at as a warning, the list goes on and on. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:58 - Jul 4 with 2037 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:44 - Jul 4 by JamesB1979 |
Ok, dream away. We’re losing between 1m and 2m per month I think is best estimate. I don’t care what other clubs are losing. We need our owners to continue to pay for these losses. I worry that we could end up like a Sheffield Wednesday. For me, we spend reasonably and keep within our means and get the losses down. Maybe boring but that’s what I want us to do. |
Well if it makes you feel any better, we've just come off a season spending about 8m in transfer fees (rumoured) and someone that specialises in football finances is praising what we are doing. The Sky deal that makes us play at 12pm every Saturday is paying championship clubs a lot more, revenue is up. I'm not asking us to break our pay structure. We've had 3 signings, 2 compensation and 1 nominal fee, based on last years business we just might have space yet. We have to continue supplementing our coffers with player sales though of course, that's the proven model to progress | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:07 - Jul 4 with 1981 views | JamesB1979 |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:58 - Jul 4 by QPRSam |
Well if it makes you feel any better, we've just come off a season spending about 8m in transfer fees (rumoured) and someone that specialises in football finances is praising what we are doing. The Sky deal that makes us play at 12pm every Saturday is paying championship clubs a lot more, revenue is up. I'm not asking us to break our pay structure. We've had 3 signings, 2 compensation and 1 nominal fee, based on last years business we just might have space yet. We have to continue supplementing our coffers with player sales though of course, that's the proven model to progress |
Net we spent 4m. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:08 - Jul 4 with 1973 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:45 - Jul 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
And we're the best run club BECAUSE we don't sign players like Barry.
Its not even the transfer fee, as that can be stretched over the contract length, it's the wages that we should avoid. Look at Sheff Wednesday, Hull etc at as a warning, the list goes on and on. |
Of course, if high wages are demanded it's absolutely an avoid, it's why I'm not sure how long Birmingham will last if they don't achieve imminent success. Transfer fees are more forgiving due to the amortisation structure and the fee being spread out over the contract length however.
I think one thing that isn't mentioned about these clubs is the amount of loans they use which nowadays are not a cheap avenue, especially from Premier League clubs, they will want a loan fee and wages covered. Hull loaning players from 5 Prem clubs, Sheff Wednesday in trouble over not paying Charles loan from Saints last season. I think it was last summer we were priced out of the Rak Sakyi loan which turned out to be a 2m initial fee and an additional 2m in add ons, for a one year loan??? It's gone mad. | | | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:12 - Jul 4 with 1929 views | Northernr |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:08 - Jul 4 by QPRSam |
Of course, if high wages are demanded it's absolutely an avoid, it's why I'm not sure how long Birmingham will last if they don't achieve imminent success. Transfer fees are more forgiving due to the amortisation structure and the fee being spread out over the contract length however.
I think one thing that isn't mentioned about these clubs is the amount of loans they use which nowadays are not a cheap avenue, especially from Premier League clubs, they will want a loan fee and wages covered. Hull loaning players from 5 Prem clubs, Sheff Wednesday in trouble over not paying Charles loan from Saints last season. I think it was last summer we were priced out of the Rak Sakyi loan which turned out to be a 2m initial fee and an additional 2m in add ons, for a one year loan??? It's gone mad. |
It's dead money as well a loan unless it takes you up or keeps you up.
What have Sheff Utd got for that £2m?
Just prior to Derby's collapse they had Mason Mount, Harry Wilson and Fikayo Tomori all on loan. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:19 - Jul 4 with 1877 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 08:44 - Jul 4 by JamesB1979 |
Ok, dream away. We’re losing between 1m and 2m per month I think is best estimate. I don’t care what other clubs are losing. We need our owners to continue to pay for these losses. I worry that we could end up like a Sheffield Wednesday. For me, we spend reasonably and keep within our means and get the losses down. Maybe boring but that’s what I want us to do. |
James we've had this debate before.
Every season there are 22 or 23 clubs that push the P&S rules to their limits over the period. Their willingness to do that sets their playing budget at the difference between their turnover and how much they're allowed to lose under P&S. For some (Stoke, Bristol City) that turnover is much, much higher than ours and therefore they're able to invest far more in wages and transfer fees than us. But crucially they still all push the P&S limits.
Every single Championship club is trying to push for the PL for the status symbol and the cash. We're already below mid-table in the Turnover table from the last wave of accounts and I'd imagine we'll be even lower now as Birmingham and Wrexham will have higher turnovers and we've lost Plymouth and Luton who had lower.
The only way you limit the losses is by decreasing the playing budget or by increasing turnover and maintaining the playing budget. We have struggled to compete over the last three years with a budget likely ranked in the 16th-18th range. That would automatically become 18th-20th range when you swap Luton and Plymouth for Birmingham and Wrexham.
The only exceptions to that premise in recent years are the Rotherhams, Oxfords, Plymouths and Peterboroughs of the Championship world that invariably don't last long in the division. If you throttle that budget even more with an aim of reducing losses, you're essentially waving a white flag and electing to join that group and League One is Inevitable.
All the talk about sustainability winds me up a little bit. We're not playing in a sustainable sport or a sustainable league. Losing the sort of cash our owners do is almost a prerequisite for any Championship owner. If you opt out of it, you opt out of the league. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:19 - Jul 4 with 1876 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:12 - Jul 4 by Northernr |
It's dead money as well a loan unless it takes you up or keeps you up.
What have Sheff Utd got for that £2m?
Just prior to Derby's collapse they had Mason Mount, Harry Wilson and Fikayo Tomori all on loan. |
Absolutely and I imagine the loan fee is paid out in one go as there is no amortisation so awful for the books. Hull the season before having Delap, Carvalho, Twine, Giles, Zaroury, Ohio, Vinagre. Not cheap.
I'd imagine most of ours in recent times are done on mates rates, Ashby and Hayden from Newcastle for example, Yang from Spurs (assuming good relationship there) | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:24 - Jul 4 with 1846 views | JamesB1979 |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:19 - Jul 4 by Padulas_Shampoo |
James we've had this debate before.
Every season there are 22 or 23 clubs that push the P&S rules to their limits over the period. Their willingness to do that sets their playing budget at the difference between their turnover and how much they're allowed to lose under P&S. For some (Stoke, Bristol City) that turnover is much, much higher than ours and therefore they're able to invest far more in wages and transfer fees than us. But crucially they still all push the P&S limits.
Every single Championship club is trying to push for the PL for the status symbol and the cash. We're already below mid-table in the Turnover table from the last wave of accounts and I'd imagine we'll be even lower now as Birmingham and Wrexham will have higher turnovers and we've lost Plymouth and Luton who had lower.
The only way you limit the losses is by decreasing the playing budget or by increasing turnover and maintaining the playing budget. We have struggled to compete over the last three years with a budget likely ranked in the 16th-18th range. That would automatically become 18th-20th range when you swap Luton and Plymouth for Birmingham and Wrexham.
The only exceptions to that premise in recent years are the Rotherhams, Oxfords, Plymouths and Peterboroughs of the Championship world that invariably don't last long in the division. If you throttle that budget even more with an aim of reducing losses, you're essentially waving a white flag and electing to join that group and League One is Inevitable.
All the talk about sustainability winds me up a little bit. We're not playing in a sustainable sport or a sustainable league. Losing the sort of cash our owners do is almost a prerequisite for any Championship owner. If you opt out of it, you opt out of the league. |
Yes I know. But the Sheffield Wednesday saga worries me. All we need is for our owners to 1) sell to someone like their owner or 2) decide they can’t be bothered. I still think it has to be the aim to be more sustainable. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:31 - Jul 4 with 1819 views | nix |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:08 - Jul 4 by QPRSam |
Of course, if high wages are demanded it's absolutely an avoid, it's why I'm not sure how long Birmingham will last if they don't achieve imminent success. Transfer fees are more forgiving due to the amortisation structure and the fee being spread out over the contract length however.
I think one thing that isn't mentioned about these clubs is the amount of loans they use which nowadays are not a cheap avenue, especially from Premier League clubs, they will want a loan fee and wages covered. Hull loaning players from 5 Prem clubs, Sheff Wednesday in trouble over not paying Charles loan from Saints last season. I think it was last summer we were priced out of the Rak Sakyi loan which turned out to be a 2m initial fee and an additional 2m in add ons, for a one year loan??? It's gone mad. |
That's a really interesting point about the loans. I'm guessing it's much cheaper in January - no loan fee? - so we've been smart plugging vital holes then with Edwards and Yang. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:32 - Jul 4 with 1813 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:24 - Jul 4 by JamesB1979 |
Yes I know. But the Sheffield Wednesday saga worries me. All we need is for our owners to 1) sell to someone like their owner or 2) decide they can’t be bothered. I still think it has to be the aim to be more sustainable. |
You could literally say that about every single club in the Championship. It's what the Football League and the Premier League have created over the last 15 years with their ruleset and cash distribution.
There is absolutely no precedent in this era for a Championship club to spend and behave in any such way that could even flirt with sustainability and stay in the division.
I'm not telling you that you're wrong to have that desire but I am telling you that your desire literally translates to us likely being a perennially top 10 League One club, sometimes worse, sometimes better. You then have to consider the downward spiral of lower attendances, lower turnovers, lower budgets that come with playing at that level.
Is that environment a lot less dangerous than the one we're in now? It would certainly be easier to find another bankroller when you're only one step and one season away from PL international exposure. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:34 - Jul 4 with 1783 views | lassel |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:24 - Jul 4 by JamesB1979 |
Yes I know. But the Sheffield Wednesday saga worries me. All we need is for our owners to 1) sell to someone like their owner or 2) decide they can’t be bothered. I still think it has to be the aim to be more sustainable. |
There is zero chance Ruben throws in the towel and walks away as the loans will be against personal assets and Westport is making money hand over fist so it would be catastrophically dumb to do so.
The American consortium Nourry & Hoos were putting together with Reilly indeed is a concern that it could all go Sheff Weds but that’s the same at every club on earth. The alternative is to be what QPR can actually afford to be based upon the utilisation of LR which is a middling L1 or L2 club. Which again is fine, but not what those shouting ‘announce x/y/z’ everyday online are interested in. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:38 - Jul 4 with 1751 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:31 - Jul 4 by nix |
That's a really interesting point about the loans. I'm guessing it's much cheaper in January - no loan fee? - so we've been smart plugging vital holes then with Edwards and Yang. |
Yeah it must be cheaper, I imagine Yang was easier to do due to historically good relationship with Spurs. With Edwards I'm happy regardless of the cost  | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:26 - Jul 4 with 1630 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 09:12 - Jul 4 by Northernr |
It's dead money as well a loan unless it takes you up or keeps you up.
What have Sheff Utd got for that £2m?
Just prior to Derby's collapse they had Mason Mount, Harry Wilson and Fikayo Tomori all on loan. |
Loans were one of the disappointments of last season. Nourry very clearly said he didn't like loans unless they were with a view to a permanent deal.
Hopefully this season, with the squad more balanced, the loans that come in do have the permanent option.
I think last seasons, bar Saito, were done in blind panic. Though Yang was a weird one. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:27 - Jul 4 with 1621 views | Northernr |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:26 - Jul 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Loans were one of the disappointments of last season. Nourry very clearly said he didn't like loans unless they were with a view to a permanent deal.
Hopefully this season, with the squad more balanced, the loans that come in do have the permanent option.
I think last seasons, bar Saito, were done in blind panic. Though Yang was a weird one. |
Well Edwards was necessary and a success. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:28 - Jul 4 with 1614 views | simmo |
Bright Osayi-Samuel to Birmingham... That one stings. |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:29 - Jul 4 with 1610 views | QPRSam |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:26 - Jul 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Loans were one of the disappointments of last season. Nourry very clearly said he didn't like loans unless they were with a view to a permanent deal.
Hopefully this season, with the squad more balanced, the loans that come in do have the permanent option.
I think last seasons, bar Saito, were done in blind panic. Though Yang was a weird one. |
Ronnie Edwards, signed 1st January, BLIND PANIC?!? I think I might be panicking, please help me Nourry | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:30 - Jul 4 with 1598 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 10:26 - Jul 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Loans were one of the disappointments of last season. Nourry very clearly said he didn't like loans unless they were with a view to a permanent deal.
Hopefully this season, with the squad more balanced, the loans that come in do have the permanent option.
I think last seasons, bar Saito, were done in blind panic. Though Yang was a weird one. |
I would imagine Yang was signed due to his celebrity status and popularity in Korea. That loan might well have paid for itself several-fold in ticketing and shirt sales. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 11:27 - Jul 4 with 1426 views | simmo |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 19:52 - Jul 3 by QPRSam |
I guess this is why the Louie Barry transfer fell through, someone I wouldn't mind us looking into |
If the Eze stuff happens in time, I'd be straight on the blower for Barry - him and Poku arguably the best wingers in the EFL last year | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 12:20 - Jul 4 with 1317 views | Hayesender |
Hull handed three window ban now as well |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 12:21 - Jul 4 with 1310 views | DavieQPR |
Reported in Telegraph that Hull now have transfer ban. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 12:59 - Jul 4 with 1217 views | nix |
| Rest of the Championship thread 25/26 on 12:21 - Jul 4 by DavieQPR |
Reported in Telegraph that Hull now have transfer ban. |
For three windows too! | | | |
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