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MC has been on GL for nearly 6 weeks now - and not a whisper from the club, not even to clarify what they propose to do with him (or he with them)! It's pathetic and unacceptable. The club also, obviously, needs to be planning its pre-season and recruitment. We're supposed to be operating a professional entity, with buy-in from the fans. Pah!
I’m sorry. Anybody trying to perform the mental gymnastics required to conclude this is anything other than a total farce is kidding themselves.
Spent the vast majority of my life telling mates (who generally support the clubs in London doing well) we are not a serious football club. And for me this is probably the lowest point of that unseriousness.
Piss ups and breweries come to mind
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Manager situation on 21:41 - Jun 8 with 2825 views
Anything to say about the head of performance tarting himself around, being allowed to work remotely, then welcomed back with open arms after that (as it was always going to) went to sht?
Isn't that double standards? Hypocritical? We don't like Cifuentes, we've fallen out, so he talks to another club and we get a sledgehammer out. We're tight as arsecheeks with Ben, so he can work for the Brooklyn Nets in Dubai and keep his job.
Again, come on, step away from entrenched positions, how can that be justified?
It was a big mistake by Nourry etc and we paid the price for it last season. Can’t think of any regular poster on here being blindly 100% Nourry although it’s a lazy accusation to make for some.
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Manager situation on 21:55 - Jun 8 with 2732 views
If any manager does remotely well at QPR they will be looking at opportunities to move to a club higher in the pyramid, just as a player would.
It’s more exaggerated for a manager/HC, because, if the tide turns, or they fall out with the DOF/Chairman (or both!), they know the writing will be on the wall. They need to move onwards and upwards before the axe falls.
What manager out there, anywhere in the world, will come in to QPR slumming it in the bottom half of the Championship, trying to meet FFP, with hardly any sellable assets, little budget to bring players in on a fee, an absent owner, a novice DOF, and then, if the do fairly well (par the course, so to speak), will go “you know what, I’ll stay here for my career.”
If any manager succeeds here, he will leave. That is a fine. It’s what it has to be until the club has progressed. But even them? look at Brentford; Frank will move on soon. Same for Bournemouth’s fella. It is the nature of the game.
You’d much rather have good people coming here, helping us succeed/progress, and then moving on for their own good, than have a load of mediocre fellas, or downright rubbish ones, come through the door, fail, set us back years or relegate us, and then they move on (sacked).
Enjoy the good times and the gradual progress. Don’t be bitter if the good ones look to move on. Worry about bad ones coming through the door.
Or cut your nose off to spite your face.
Cifuentes’ agent had been touting him around last summer to several clubs. His agent had spoken to WBA this summer. I’ve had both these points on very good authority and both from two sources, one very much ITK.
But so what? He performed a miracle in his first season to keep us up. And by then I understand his relationship with Nourry was already faltering/soured. If that was you in your own career, with a big achievement under your belt but you could see you aren’t going to get along with your boss and you don’t trust him, you’d look for a quick exit to somewhere better.
The issue is why is our DOF/CEO driving a manager achieving pretty well for us to look elsewhere? If the manager liked his boss and they were truly aligned, it would make it a much harder decision for them to explore other opportunities. They’d see a (positive) future, potential, etc, for both themselves and the club.
Good managers don’t look to leave organisations they think are on a great trajectory….
We are going to have the same issues with whoever comes in next. Unless they are awful (in which case they’ll still move on but we’ll be a lot worse off). But if they are good, and they feel they are pushing water uphill, they’ll try to jump ship too.
"Good managers don’t look to leave organisations they think are on a great trajectory…."
Not much wrong with Hammarby's trajectory since Marti left.
They finished second in the league last season and they are second again this season at almost the halfway point:
Managers and players will move on if they think it will advance their career. Which is fine if you're a development club and your model is to buy low and sell high.
Cashing in on Marti would be no different to cashing in on a player.
We're Marti's fourth club since 2018. Looking to move on is what he does.
I don't have a problem with that as long as QPR benefit.
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Manager situation on 22:09 - Jun 8 with 2613 views
Managers and players will move on if they think it will advance their career. Which is fine if you're a development club and your model is to buy low and sell high.
Cashing in on Marti would be no different to cashing in on a player.
We're Marti's fourth club since 2018. Looking to move on is what he does.
I don't have a problem with that as long as QPR benefit.
Yeah, it’s a bit apples and pears comparing two different leagues (of very different stature). Hammarby were unlikely to give Marti a direct route to the Premier League (or the long term salary expectations he wanted). He likely needed a stepping stone.
The point stands within a country’s leGue hierarchy (and more broadly about careers).
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Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 8 with 2589 views
Managers and players will move on if they think it will advance their career. Which is fine if you're a development club and your model is to buy low and sell high.
Cashing in on Marti would be no different to cashing in on a player.
We're Marti's fourth club since 2018. Looking to move on is what he does.
I don't have a problem with that as long as QPR benefit.
I do have a problem with it when said manager is feigning love of the club/fans while scheming behind the scenes to accelerate his departure. While I hold no brief for Nourry, I didn't and don't trust MC, didn't and don't particularly like him, and his record with us has been an often nausea-inducing rollercoaster ride at best, where he basically dug immense holes and filled them in again.
For me, assuming (as seems uncontested) MC did speak to WBA and/or anyone else, he put the club in a position where the only option was/is to start to move him out. I'd have felt upset as a fan if it hadn't acted thusly.
I also don't see a big moral difference between Beale and Marti right now, save the latter stuck around a bit longer. However, assuming he's on his way and now seeking his 8th club in 10 years on his JET-like professional trajectory (minus the prison sentence) at the ripe old age of 42, the time it's taking the club to appoint a credible successor and start pre-season planning is lamentable and amateurish. Meanwhile, we have an unpopular, inexperienced CEO, an ex-chairman sticking round like a bad smell who's supposed to have f*cked off home to the USA a year ago, and ineffectual/uncommunicative owners who speak up once in a blue moon.
Apart from that, everything's super douper hoopsa.
Yeah, it’s a bit apples and pears comparing two different leagues (of very different stature). Hammarby were unlikely to give Marti a direct route to the Premier League (or the long term salary expectations he wanted). He likely needed a stepping stone.
The point stands within a country’s leGue hierarchy (and more broadly about careers).
Strangely enough I seem to remember Mick Beale's priorities being the other way around.
I'm sure he gave an interview fairly early in his time with us where he said the Premier League wasn't necessarily the only way for a young manager to get on and that success in Europe would also open opportunities with bigger clubs.
Probably had visions of himself managing Real Madrid one day. He certainly wasn't lacking for confidence and self-belief.
And it's probably why he was so keen to wrangle a return to Glasgow and guaranteed European football - where he got the reality check he was probably needing!
QPR aren't in a great place right now. And it will probably take a few years of steady progress before we have the quality and squad depth to seriously think about a top six finish.
Bristol City and Millwall have both shown it can be done. They have both been stuck in the Championship almost as long as we have but they were both pushing for top six this season. So it can be done.
I think we need to keep believing that we can get there. But it is going to take time and we will probably have to say goodbye to a few players and managers along the way that we would really like to keep.
Ultimately it shouldn't be a problem that an ambitious young manager wants to move onwards and upwards, provided we get properly compensated for it.
So it is quite worrying that the club has allowed this position to develop where there seems to be a stand off between the club and the manager and it's difficult to see how any of us benefit from it.
The volume / consistency of this sort of thing is getting comedically transparent.
We should start doing a little form for people to fill in to save time...
Introductory paragraph - long time listener, first time caller, cor how about that 76 team, so close.
6 paragraphs of everything that's going really well. Did you see that development team in the cup final?
2 token paragraphs conceding some small points. Yeh it is a bit mental that pre-season starts in a fortnight and we've got one friendly. Yeh I think they recognise the coms around that were bad. Yeh the head of fitness shouldn't live in Dubai. BUT IT'S BEING SORTED.
Thanks to Clive for running the site.
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Manager situation on 22:35 - Jun 8 with 2473 views
Manager situation on 21:52 - Jun 8 by Ned_Kennedys
It was a big mistake by Nourry etc and we paid the price for it last season. Can’t think of any regular poster on here being blindly 100% Nourry although it’s a lazy accusation to make for some.
Well, the poster I replied to in the first instance for one.
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Manager situation on 22:37 - Jun 8 with 2460 views
Unfortunately, trying to explain to some that this isn’t ‘normal’ , or even ‘going well’ is just a waste of time now. We are beyond ‘discussing’. The red flags , distress flares, warnings , pleads etc have all been ignored . Fine . Crack on with it . Some are still more concerned by someone claiming they are ‘in the know’ than what that person might actually be trying to say . Frustrating , Politics of envy…childish and a little embarrassing . Very much like where we are as football club at this moment.
Much prefer to talk about what’s going on on the pitch when the football starts . But at the moment that seems like that’s going to be even more painful than usual too.
You can ignore what’s in front of your face all you want . In the end you just look a bit ridiculous.
I hope that when we do start playing football again, an awful lot has fallen into place .
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Manager situation on 22:39 - Jun 8 with 2443 views
I do have a problem with it when said manager is feigning love of the club/fans while scheming behind the scenes to accelerate his departure. While I hold no brief for Nourry, I didn't and don't trust MC, didn't and don't particularly like him, and his record with us has been an often nausea-inducing rollercoaster ride at best, where he basically dug immense holes and filled them in again.
For me, assuming (as seems uncontested) MC did speak to WBA and/or anyone else, he put the club in a position where the only option was/is to start to move him out. I'd have felt upset as a fan if it hadn't acted thusly.
I also don't see a big moral difference between Beale and Marti right now, save the latter stuck around a bit longer. However, assuming he's on his way and now seeking his 8th club in 10 years on his JET-like professional trajectory (minus the prison sentence) at the ripe old age of 42, the time it's taking the club to appoint a credible successor and start pre-season planning is lamentable and amateurish. Meanwhile, we have an unpopular, inexperienced CEO, an ex-chairman sticking round like a bad smell who's supposed to have f*cked off home to the USA a year ago, and ineffectual/uncommunicative owners who speak up once in a blue moon.
Apart from that, everything's super douper hoopsa.
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Beale made no secret of the fact that we were just a little stepping stone on his path to greatness.
Marti's career path to date should have made it obvious he had similar ambitions.
We're a development club. For now and the foreseeable young players and managers will be coming here looking to make a name for themselves before moving on to something better. That isn't going to change anytime soon.
Comparing Marti to JET is an interesting take. I would order myself a pint of whatever you're drinking but I'm not sure I have the constitution for it. Have you found the key to Father Jack's drinks cabinet!?
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Manager situation on 22:44 - Jun 8 with 2413 views
Tell you what, interesting exercise. Here's the questions 442 sent. Deadline Friday. What would you put if you were me?
Last season was (your opinion on your club's campaign) The big talking point is This season will be different because I won’t be happy unless Our key player will be (and why) Our most underrated player is Look out for (young player who could break through) The opposition player I'd love here is The opposition player who grinds my gears is (and why) The active player I'd love to have back is (former player of your club) The pantomime villain will be (could be someone at your club, or another club) Fans think our owner is The thing my club really gets right is The one change I'd make would be (something off the pitch at your club, ideally) A social media account to follow is (something related to your club, most likely not the official club account, maybe a fan or something fan related, apart from your own account) The ground I'm most looking forward to visiting is I'm least looking forward to playing (which club) The fans' opinion of the gaffer is (how popular is he with fans? Is he under pressure? What are his strengths/weaknesses?) If he left, he should be replaced by We'll finish (which position in the table this season)
Anybody?
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Manager situation on 22:45 - Jun 8 with 2400 views
Tbh, I'll wait for something - anything - to come from the club. There's only so much fandom one can take!
I suspect what's going to happen is you're going to get a manager, a couple of signings (made ages ago), a pre-season campaign (arranged ages ago, as per my earlier post), a soft soap club YouTube Nourry interview "we understand the fans' frustration" all sent out in a blitz at once. Maybe the week before the season ticket deadline. WE'RE BACK. BACK IN THE RANGERS GROOVE.
Any plebs like me who dare to suggest this stuff was agreed ages ago and saved up to use in a blast, as at the fans forum, so the Gen Z element of our fanbase all lose their minds and talk about how Nourry is "cooking", will be told their coverage is "inaccurate, and unfair".
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Manager situation on 22:59 - Jun 8 with 2288 views
I do have a problem with it when said manager is feigning love of the club/fans while scheming behind the scenes to accelerate his departure. While I hold no brief for Nourry, I didn't and don't trust MC, didn't and don't particularly like him, and his record with us has been an often nausea-inducing rollercoaster ride at best, where he basically dug immense holes and filled them in again.
For me, assuming (as seems uncontested) MC did speak to WBA and/or anyone else, he put the club in a position where the only option was/is to start to move him out. I'd have felt upset as a fan if it hadn't acted thusly.
I also don't see a big moral difference between Beale and Marti right now, save the latter stuck around a bit longer. However, assuming he's on his way and now seeking his 8th club in 10 years on his JET-like professional trajectory (minus the prison sentence) at the ripe old age of 42, the time it's taking the club to appoint a credible successor and start pre-season planning is lamentable and amateurish. Meanwhile, we have an unpopular, inexperienced CEO, an ex-chairman sticking round like a bad smell who's supposed to have f*cked off home to the USA a year ago, and ineffectual/uncommunicative owners who speak up once in a blue moon.
Apart from that, everything's super douper hoopsa.
[Post edited 8 Jun 22:35]
I actually agreed with your post starting this thread Stainrod but all the ones criticising Cifuentes for attempting to move on from us too quickly.
Bear in mind at the time of his gardening holiday coming into force, there were only four other longer serving managers in the championship.
It's not just Marti. It is simply how this business operates.
The football world is insane.
And we are proving ourselves to be very high up on the spectrum of this insanity !!
In the end, it's only football. Compared to, ooh I don't know, the decimation of Gaza, the horrorshow of Ukraine, and the burgeoning military dictatorship of Trump's America, it's comic-book levels of futility played out by self-serving, over-paid, ultimately tedious mercenaries.
Tell you what, interesting exercise. Here's the questions 442 sent. Deadline Friday. What would you put if you were me?
Last season was (your opinion on your club's campaign) The big talking point is This season will be different because I won’t be happy unless Our key player will be (and why) Our most underrated player is Look out for (young player who could break through) The opposition player I'd love here is The opposition player who grinds my gears is (and why) The active player I'd love to have back is (former player of your club) The pantomime villain will be (could be someone at your club, or another club) Fans think our owner is The thing my club really gets right is The one change I'd make would be (something off the pitch at your club, ideally) A social media account to follow is (something related to your club, most likely not the official club account, maybe a fan or something fan related, apart from your own account) The ground I'm most looking forward to visiting is I'm least looking forward to playing (which club) The fans' opinion of the gaffer is (how popular is he with fans? Is he under pressure? What are his strengths/weaknesses?) If he left, he should be replaced by We'll finish (which position in the table this season)
Most of those questions are very straightforward to answer Clive with a variety of random responses, which you can place wherever you wish, So, as follows,
Last season was MIXED The big talking point is NEXT SEASON This season will be different because. WHO SAYS IT WILL BE DIFFERENT? I won’t be happy unless N/A Our key player will be (and why) JCS. IF FIT. Our most underrated player is LIAM MORRISON Look out for (young player who could break through) MORGAN The opposition player I'd love here is SYDIE PECK The opposition player who grinds my gears is (and why) JACK FARKIN ROBINSON The active player I'd love to have back is (former player of your club) EZE. OF COURSE. The pantomime villain will be (could be someone at your club, or another club) NOURRY Fans think our owner is EASILY INFLUENCED The thing my club really gets right is QPR IN THE COMMUNITY TRUST The one change I'd make would be BETTER MEDIA POLICY A social media account to follow is (something related to your club, most likely not the official club account, maybe a fan or something fan related, apart from your own account) N/A The ground I'm most looking forward to visiting is BRISTOL CITY I'm least looking forward to playing (which club) N/A The fans' opinion of the gaffer is (how popular is he with fans? Is he under pressure? What are his strengths/weaknesses?) WHAT GAFFER? If he left, he should be replaced by N/A We'll finish (which position in the table this season) 12TH
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Manager situation on 08:01 - Jun 9 with 1684 views
Last season was MIXED The big talking point is NEXT SEASON This season will be different because. WHO SAYS IT WILL BE DIFFERENT? I won’t be happy unless N/A Our key player will be (and why) JCS. IF FIT. Our most underrated player is LIAM MORRISON Look out for (young player who could break through) MORGAN The opposition player I'd love here is SYDIE PECK The opposition player who grinds my gears is (and why) JACK FARKIN ROBINSON The active player I'd love to have back is (former player of your club) EZE. OF COURSE. The pantomime villain will be (could be someone at your club, or another club) NOURRY Fans think our owner is EASILY INFLUENCED The thing my club really gets right is QPR IN THE COMMUNITY TRUST The one change I'd make would be BETTER MEDIA POLICY A social media account to follow is (something related to your club, most likely not the official club account, maybe a fan or something fan related, apart from your own account) N/A The ground I'm most looking forward to visiting is BRISTOL CITY I'm least looking forward to playing (which club) N/A The fans' opinion of the gaffer is (how popular is he with fans? Is he under pressure? What are his strengths/weaknesses?) WHAT GAFFER? If he left, he should be replaced by N/A We'll finish (which position in the table this season) 12TH
‘A social media account to follow is (something related to your club, most likely not the official club account, maybe a fan or something fan related, apart from your own account):’ N/A
Clive right now:
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Manager situation on 08:13 - Jun 9 with 1627 views
We should start doing a little form for people to fill in to save time...
Introductory paragraph - long time listener, first time caller, cor how about that 76 team, so close.
6 paragraphs of everything that's going really well. Did you see that development team in the cup final?
2 token paragraphs conceding some small points. Yeh it is a bit mental that pre-season starts in a fortnight and we've got one friendly. Yeh I think they recognise the coms around that were bad. Yeh the head of fitness shouldn't live in Dubai. BUT IT'S BEING SORTED.
Thanks to Clive for running the site.
I think a few of you on here have clearly been on the internet too much. Go watch Alex Jones YouTube channel if you are into conspiracy theories. That way you don’t need to create your own modern version of the witch trials, which you have set up to protect you from engaging in debate with opposing views. I’ve made 4 posts on this site and had9 posts in response with insults vs 0 challenges on any of the points raised (suspect because they were good points that challenged views held)
I genuinely have come on here and posted my own sincerely held opinions. I’ve had a season ticket since before Nourry was born. Third generation fan. I don’t go to as many away games as I used to because I’ve got young kids now. Will soon be forcing them into being the fourth generation. So in that context don’t you think it’s pretty sad that you and your posse of online trolls jump on and attack opposing opinions but don’t engage in debate. If a point was raised that you don’t like or disagree with then fine explain that or just ignore it. But to post insults and conspiracy theories… have a word with yourself
I sit in the same stand as you and I occasionally drink in the Crown. So next season I will introduce myself at some point and refer to this. That isn’t in any way at all intended as a veiled threat. I’m too old for that. More just that if you look at the responses on here in the context of me just being a fan sharing my opinion it’s not right
If you think it’s an absolute disaster that next season our first choice pair of centre backs is Clarke- Salter/ Morrison vs finishing this season with Edward’s/ Morrison and that the club absolutely must go out and find a replacement of the same standard as Edward’s (on what budget I’m not sure) then fine that’s your opinion. Or if you think adding a player who scored 27 goals last year playing for an unfancied Orient team is of no significance and instead want to focus on us potentially losing a winger who scored 3 goals then fine. Debate the point or ignore the post but just chucking out insults and conspiracy theories isn’t right
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Manager situation on 09:01 - Jun 9 with 1427 views
Crap, is what it is. Total crap, all of it. There are people who say it isn't crap, but they're wrong. It was crap before and it's crap now and it will continue to be crap. When things are going badly it's because they're crap and when things are going well they're still crap under the surface. There is no chance of them not being crap, none at all. Crap is just what we have to put up with. There was a time when it looked like it might not be crap, but that time is gone now, and to tell you the truth it was still crap even then. Other clubs were crap and did something about it and stopped being crap, but if you tried that at QPR you'd just be descending even further into the crap. There is no escaping the crap. It is equally crap in whichever direction you look. The parts of it individually are crap and the whole is more crap than the sum of the parts. It's probably even more crap than we realise. When people are going on the instatubes and telling you it's crap, you should believe them. Our mascot ought to be a talking pile of crap, that's how crap it is. Don't take the end of this comment as a sign that it's stopped being crap, because it hasn't, I've just run out of words to tell you how crap it is.
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Manager situation on 09:11 - Jun 9 with 1348 views
The volume / consistency of this sort of thing is getting comedically transparent.
I do think you’re becoming a bit neurotic over this type of thing. Not everyone has the same hatred for Nourry as you. More and more people (and some new on here) are giving opinions on the manager situation because it’s the most important thing going on at the moment and one that needs sorting asap.
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Manager situation on 09:15 - Jun 9 with 1323 views
Unfortunately, trying to explain to some that this isn’t ‘normal’ , or even ‘going well’ is just a waste of time now. We are beyond ‘discussing’. The red flags , distress flares, warnings , pleads etc have all been ignored . Fine . Crack on with it . Some are still more concerned by someone claiming they are ‘in the know’ than what that person might actually be trying to say . Frustrating , Politics of envy…childish and a little embarrassing . Very much like where we are as football club at this moment.
Much prefer to talk about what’s going on on the pitch when the football starts . But at the moment that seems like that’s going to be even more painful than usual too.
You can ignore what’s in front of your face all you want . In the end you just look a bit ridiculous.
I hope that when we do start playing football again, an awful lot has fallen into place .
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