| Manager situation 09:47 - Jun 8 with 86304 views | stainrods_elbow |
MC has been on GL for nearly 6 weeks now - and not a whisper from the club, not even to clarify what they propose to do with him (or he with them)! It's pathetic and unacceptable.
The club also, obviously, needs to be planning its pre-season and recruitment. We're supposed to be operating a professional entity, with buy-in from the fans. Pah!
What will/should happen next?
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| Manager situation on 21:18 - Jun 10 with 2882 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 21:10 - Jun 10 by Beans |
I think it's unlikely to be driven by apathy of the management or an intention to disrespect you. Interesting you feel that because I believe it’s instead likely motivated by maximising revenues at the club. I find it unlikely that a young CEO early on in his career had already reached the point of being so jaded that he is “apathetic” towards the clubs fan base
The sort of fan who doesn't log on to a message board like this regularly or refresh twitter looking for updates is going to spend money at the club if they can so despite those fans craving the content the most, what benefits the club financially may not be to have a strategy that keeps those fans happiest.
So by spreading out the news, or having a flurry of positive news like at the end of this month around pay day as we approach the end of the loyalty renewal window. It prompts them into an increased likelihood of them buying a ticket. As it increases the number of days more fans think about the club, click the link and go on to the clubs website and for many reasons on any one of those extra days maybe they do find themself buying a match ticket. Which they might not have bought if the club had released all the news in late May or early June. When maybe a chunk of fans are on holiday, broke, at a wedding, busy with work etc
If spreading the news out maximises the revenue then that is the right approach for me |
Famously, nobody likes to buy new kit for those holidays and/or their kids’ time off. Notoriously a real downtime for merchandise the kids getting 6 weeks off school. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 21:21 - Jun 10 with 2840 views | Mr_Beef |
| Manager situation on 21:10 - Jun 10 by Beans |
I think it's unlikely to be driven by apathy of the management or an intention to disrespect you. Interesting you feel that because I believe it’s instead likely motivated by maximising revenues at the club. I find it unlikely that a young CEO early on in his career had already reached the point of being so jaded that he is “apathetic” towards the clubs fan base
The sort of fan who doesn't log on to a message board like this regularly or refresh twitter looking for updates is going to spend money at the club if they can so despite those fans craving the content the most, what benefits the club financially may not be to have a strategy that keeps those fans happiest.
So by spreading out the news, or having a flurry of positive news like at the end of this month around pay day as we approach the end of the loyalty renewal window. It prompts them into an increased likelihood of them buying a ticket. As it increases the number of days more fans think about the club, click the link and go on to the clubs website and for many reasons on any one of those extra days maybe they do find themself buying a match ticket. Which they might not have bought if the club had released all the news in late May or early June. When maybe a chunk of fans are on holiday, broke, at a wedding, busy with work etc
If spreading the news out maximises the revenue then that is the right approach for me |
You don't need to be jaded to be apathetic. He's shown a lack of interest in communication from pretty much day one.
I'd be interested to hear how spreading out the kit announcements helps to maximise revenue. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 21:36 - Jun 10 with 2777 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 21:21 - Jun 10 by Mr_Beef |
You don't need to be jaded to be apathetic. He's shown a lack of interest in communication from pretty much day one.
I'd be interested to hear how spreading out the kit announcements helps to maximise revenue. |
Well I can see how spreading them out helps with that. 3rd kit probably the worst seller, but if it’s the only thing you can buy for two weeks then ppl will buy it. And they’re obviously doing it to coincide with home friendlies (or in the first instance the France trip). But I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to be making money off that with summer holiday trade, nor why our friendlies have to be a big secret. | | | |
| Manager situation on 21:42 - Jun 10 with 2710 views | simmo |
| Manager situation on 21:10 - Jun 10 by Beans |
I think it's unlikely to be driven by apathy of the management or an intention to disrespect you. Interesting you feel that because I believe it’s instead likely motivated by maximising revenues at the club. I find it unlikely that a young CEO early on in his career had already reached the point of being so jaded that he is “apathetic” towards the clubs fan base
The sort of fan who doesn't log on to a message board like this regularly or refresh twitter looking for updates is going to spend money at the club if they can so despite those fans craving the content the most, what benefits the club financially may not be to have a strategy that keeps those fans happiest.
So by spreading out the news, or having a flurry of positive news like at the end of this month around pay day as we approach the end of the loyalty renewal window. It prompts them into an increased likelihood of them buying a ticket. As it increases the number of days more fans think about the club, click the link and go on to the clubs website and for many reasons on any one of those extra days maybe they do find themself buying a match ticket. Which they might not have bought if the club had released all the news in late May or early June. When maybe a chunk of fans are on holiday, broke, at a wedding, busy with work etc
If spreading the news out maximises the revenue then that is the right approach for me |
How does your maximising revenue theory track with the home kit not being revealed until August? |  |
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| Manager situation on 21:46 - Jun 10 with 2686 views | Mr_Beef |
| Manager situation on 21:36 - Jun 10 by Northernr |
Well I can see how spreading them out helps with that. 3rd kit probably the worst seller, but if it’s the only thing you can buy for two weeks then ppl will buy it. And they’re obviously doing it to coincide with home friendlies (or in the first instance the France trip). But I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to be making money off that with summer holiday trade, nor why our friendlies have to be a big secret. |
Fair point and badly phrased on my part. Had intended to include the point about leaving them so late but kind of missed that bit. | | | |
| Manager situation on 21:49 - Jun 10 with 2645 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 21:42 - Jun 10 by simmo |
How does your maximising revenue theory track with the home kit not being revealed until August? |
It doesn’t. | | | |
| Manager situation on 21:54 - Jun 10 with 2599 views | ted_hendrix |
Lets hope we don't give the job to Tuchel. |  |
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| Manager situation on 22:00 - Jun 10 with 2558 views | LazyFan |
| Manager situation on 21:49 - Jun 10 by Northernr |
It doesn’t. |
Must be skins then.
Explains why Frey has got in shape, modelling jobbies to follow. |  |
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| Manager situation on 22:04 - Jun 10 with 2530 views | JamieNaz |
If it's skins, then they'll still know who he is, as he's got his own name on his chest |  | | |
| Manager situation on 22:06 - Jun 10 with 2515 views | davman |
| Manager situation on 16:14 - Jun 10 by Northernr |
Expect to be told, A LOT, that Sunderland didn't appoint Regis Le Bris until June 22 last year. |
That's only TWELVE days away though. Will we still get told that on the 23 June this year?  |  |
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| Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 10 with 2478 views | Beans |
| Manager situation on 21:18 - Jun 10 by Northernr |
Famously, nobody likes to buy new kit for those holidays and/or their kids’ time off. Notoriously a real downtime for merchandise the kids getting 6 weeks off school. |
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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| Manager situation on 22:16 - Jun 10 with 2448 views | mart_Goblin |
“The sort of fan who doesn't log on to a message board like this regularly or refresh twitter looking for updates is going to spend money at the club if they can so despite those fans craving the content the most, what benefits the club financially may not be to have a strategy that keeps those fans happiest.
So by spreading out the news, or having a flurry of positive news like at the end of this month around pay day as we approach the end of the loyalty renewal window. It prompts them into an increased likelihood of them buying a ticket. As it increases the number of days more fans think about the club, click the link and go on to the clubs website and for many reasons on any one of those extra days maybe they do find themself buying a match ticket. Which they might not have bought if the club had released all the news in late May or early June. When maybe a chunk of fans are on holiday, broke, at a wedding, busy with work etc”
Blimey!
There is so much to pull apart in these 2 paragraphs I keep reading it thinking I’ve missed something.
I’d love to dissect this further but we are all busy at a wedding.
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
We are only moments away from a Bobby Z in the 89th moment.
Cheers Steve . [Post edited 10 Jun 22:21]
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| Manager situation on 22:57 - Jun 10 with 2275 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 10 by Beans |
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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‘Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm‘
They make the same amount of kits as Nike.
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| Manager situation on 23:00 - Jun 10 with 2263 views | daveB |
| Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 10 by Beans |
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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How thick do you think people are that if say it was anounced today that we've signed a new right back or that we have a manager for next season do you think people are going to have forgotten by next week
Do you really think people are going to renew based on a couple of announcements the week before the deadline? The less committed and less engaged fans are not going to get a season ticket no matter what news the club reveal. Why would someone who is not engaged with whats happening at the club care about the announcements anyway?
Those who had season tickets last year the majority will renew no matter what the club do or say in the next 3 weeks, it will make no difference but the complete lack of respect towards supporters will have an effect in the long term [Post edited 10 Jun 23:02]
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| Manager situation on 23:33 - Jun 10 with 2111 views | 1JD |
I half wonder why folks bother to give the time of day to these new posters, but I get it all the same. But I believe the vast majority know what is going on here. They repeatedly have the hallmark of Nourry. And his direction is written all over them. It’s either Christian himself (hello Christian), or his expensive PR disciples. Either way, it’s rank. | | | |
| Manager situation on 00:17 - Jun 11 with 1978 views | CateLeBonR |
| Manager situation on 23:00 - Jun 10 by daveB |
How thick do you think people are that if say it was anounced today that we've signed a new right back or that we have a manager for next season do you think people are going to have forgotten by next week
Do you really think people are going to renew based on a couple of announcements the week before the deadline? The less committed and less engaged fans are not going to get a season ticket no matter what news the club reveal. Why would someone who is not engaged with whats happening at the club care about the announcements anyway?
Those who had season tickets last year the majority will renew no matter what the club do or say in the next 3 weeks, it will make no difference but the complete lack of respect towards supporters will have an effect in the long term [Post edited 10 Jun 23:02]
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In fairness to the poster I don’t see anything that is suggesting people are thick. It does all come across very cynical and lacking compassion though. Which is off putting but that’s the modern world for you.
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| Manager situation on 00:21 - Jun 11 with 1959 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Manager situation on 23:33 - Jun 10 by 1JD |
I half wonder why folks bother to give the time of day to these new posters, but I get it all the same. But I believe the vast majority know what is going on here. They repeatedly have the hallmark of Nourry. And his direction is written all over them. It’s either Christian himself (hello Christian), or his expensive PR disciples. Either way, it’s rank. |
Agreed.
Beans, you've come on here arrogantly gaslighting hordes of posters who have been on here for years within a few posts then start demanding replies to very specific points trying to control the narrative. Your lengthy detail on the importance of the specific release date of information in order to maximise revenue is quite the subject to finally inspire an ordinary fan to post on a message board after all these decades!
Do you have the decency to apologise for calling people conspiracy theorists when it is clearly something that has happened? Why so keen to pretend it hasn't and isnt happening? When you steam in trying to belittle so many fellow fans with something so inaccurate as that don't expect your opinions or views to be respected. Backs will be up and suspicions rightly raised.
As I stated in my first reply to you (conveniently ignored by you just like a certain Charlieb I note) I am not as anti Nourry as some but to be honest new posters like you and particularly your arrogant, dismissive attitude are turning me more against him. I won't be alone in that. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 05:38 - Jun 11 with 1710 views | Mr_Beef |
| Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 10 by Beans |
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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This is all sounds like someone more versed in how to target particular audiences online rather than someone who understands football. Which is a coincidence. | | | |
| Manager situation on 06:51 - Jun 11 with 1550 views | essextaxiboy |
| Manager situation on 05:38 - Jun 11 by Mr_Beef |
This is all sounds like someone more versed in how to target particular audiences online rather than someone who understands football. Which is a coincidence. |
The second to last paragraph comes straight from a Powerpoint presentation or flip chart. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 07:12 - Jun 11 with 1471 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 10 by Beans |
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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Genuinely one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read on here.
You’re absolutely desperate to find ways to defend a string of things that at best inconvenience us all as paying customers. Of all the things that have happened over the last 20/30 years… it’s this and it’s now that you’ve finally been inspired to register and start posting? |  | | |
| Manager situation on 07:13 - Jun 11 with 1460 views | EastR |
The problem with beans is, once digested, the only possible response is to break wind | |
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| Manager situation on 07:21 - Jun 11 with 1392 views | daveB |
| Manager situation on 00:17 - Jun 11 by CateLeBonR |
In fairness to the poster I don’t see anything that is suggesting people are thick. It does all come across very cynical and lacking compassion though. Which is off putting but that’s the modern world for you.
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I just think you'd have to be a bit thick to base your decsion on buying a season ticket on what week the club make announcements. I'd get it they have are making a marquee signing who is going to put new bums on seats but they are preaching to the converted here. It's just a very weird PR move.
QPR have been pretty crap most of my life but like everyone else here I renew each year no matter what they say or do. I think the PR firm that are advising that this is a the way forward just don't fundamentally understand football fans | | | |
| Manager situation on 07:24 - Jun 11 with 1364 views | Rsole |
| Manager situation on 06:51 - Jun 11 by essextaxiboy |
The second to last paragraph comes straight from a Powerpoint presentation or flip chart. |
Is it Beale - in disguise ? |  |
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| Manager situation on 07:54 - Jun 11 with 1243 views | eastside_r |
| Manager situation on 23:00 - Jun 10 by daveB |
How thick do you think people are that if say it was anounced today that we've signed a new right back or that we have a manager for next season do you think people are going to have forgotten by next week
Do you really think people are going to renew based on a couple of announcements the week before the deadline? The less committed and less engaged fans are not going to get a season ticket no matter what news the club reveal. Why would someone who is not engaged with whats happening at the club care about the announcements anyway?
Those who had season tickets last year the majority will renew no matter what the club do or say in the next 3 weeks, it will make no difference but the complete lack of respect towards supporters will have an effect in the long term [Post edited 10 Jun 23:02]
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Absolutely spot on Dave, especially the last point.
I’ve renewed my ST because I’m a loyal fan and this is what I do. But as for any further (what I consider to be) discretionary expenditure with the club, that is very much on hold. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 07:59 - Jun 11 with 1224 views | QPR_Jim |
| Manager situation on 07:12 - Jun 11 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Genuinely one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read on here.
You’re absolutely desperate to find ways to defend a string of things that at best inconvenience us all as paying customers. Of all the things that have happened over the last 20/30 years… it’s this and it’s now that you’ve finally been inspired to register and start posting? |
This is what I was thinking. Previous CEO's have been criticised for late kit launches across the summer and rightly apologising and acknowledged it shouldn't happen. Previous DOF's have been criticised for lack of experience despite a clear connection to the club and experience as a coach. But criticising Nourry a 27 year old recruitment consultant for these things is the straw that broke the back |  | | |
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