| Manager situation 09:47 - Jun 8 with 87754 views | stainrods_elbow |
MC has been on GL for nearly 6 weeks now - and not a whisper from the club, not even to clarify what they propose to do with him (or he with them)! It's pathetic and unacceptable.
The club also, obviously, needs to be planning its pre-season and recruitment. We're supposed to be operating a professional entity, with buy-in from the fans. Pah!
What will/should happen next?
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| Manager situation on 08:02 - Jun 11 with 2318 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 22:13 - Jun 10 by Beans |
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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But they're not spreading out the news are they? They're bunching it all up for one big release. They're doing the opposite of what you said there, the complete opposite.
"As opposed to doing all the news in late May or June as you suggest".
1 - as the other day, you're putting words in my mouth I haven't said, and don't think.
2 - It's impossible to do all the news in late May or early June, because you'll be signing players to the end of August.
My point is news shouldn't be stage managed, fans should be kept informed, it's our club not theirs. We should be told what's happening as it's happening. I'm quite old fashioned like that.
Now you're saying this is all part of a stage managed thing to boost revenues, publicity, ticket sales etc (season tickets are on sale now, BTW). Okay, let's say you're right.
Nourry has already done this once at the fan forum, collecting up announcements so he can make a big splash that'll make him look brilliant and play really well on Twitter. He then got pretty angry with us for reporting that he'd done that, said it was "unfair and inaccurate". He said at the fans forum we'll tell you everything as soon as we can. So are you now saying he lied about that? Because both can't be true.
And as for your other snippy remarks, I responded in detail to points you made the other day and you ignored me.
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| Manager situation on 08:07 - Jun 11 with 2279 views | kropotkin41 |
I just wanted to read what all my favourite Rangers luminaries thought about the manager clown show. Instead I'm now wondering whether LFW's new playmate is an AI.
On that note, perhaps, as well as AI forum trolls, we could just have an AI first team coach. How hard could it be? A prompt like 'coach the first team at QPR like Johann Cruyff at Barcelona but on a shoestring' should do the job. [Post edited 11 Jun 8:08]
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| Manager situation on 08:15 - Jun 11 with 2206 views | Beans |
| Manager situation on 23:00 - Jun 10 by daveB |
How thick do you think people are that if say it was anounced today that we've signed a new right back or that we have a manager for next season do you think people are going to have forgotten by next week
Do you really think people are going to renew based on a couple of announcements the week before the deadline? The less committed and less engaged fans are not going to get a season ticket no matter what news the club reveal. Why would someone who is not engaged with whats happening at the club care about the announcements anyway?
Those who had season tickets last year the majority will renew no matter what the club do or say in the next 3 weeks, it will make no difference but the complete lack of respect towards supporters will have an effect in the long term [Post edited 10 Jun 23:02]
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Is there any need to start with calling someone thick. Especially when you have badly misunderstood the point being made. I thought I spelled out pretty clearly the strategy isn't aimed at the sort of fan who is renewing regardless or buying a match ticket, regardless
If you think I am suggesting people "forget" then you really aren't following along. It's about the marginal difference. The club have a strategy for maximising attendances. And I'm saying there PR strategy is part of it. For what you are saying to be true all things being equal we will sell the same number of tickets each season. Let's have a look if that is true
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/queens-parkrangers/besucherzahlenentwicklung/ver
For the last 5 years excluding Covid affected seasons we averaged league attendances of 14,185. For the last two years since Nourry's involvement in the club it has been 16,254 and that includes this season a reduction because we normally have away fans only the top tier and then had to close off front rows in lower school end. This is 2,000 extra a game. If you say the club average a conservative £30 revenue per extra person that's £1.4m a season extra. Bit more significant than what Simmo was allegedly so worried about on the shirt sales impact.
Spreading out the news is a part of the strategy for the reasons outlined in my two previous posts
And on Baz's point comparing Nike to Errea in size. Errea have around 200 employees where as Nike have around 80,000 would be my response on that |  | | |
| Manager situation on 08:20 - Jun 11 with 2148 views | dmm |
I think Beans, whoever he is, has singularly failed to convince anyone here of the case he's trying to make. If anything, he's helped confirm the reasons for our frustration and anger at the way Nourry is running our club.
Beans, just give up and go back to your manager to report that the mission is not working. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 08:23 - Jun 11 with 2125 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 08:20 - Jun 11 by dmm |
I think Beans, whoever he is, has singularly failed to convince anyone here of the case he's trying to make. If anything, he's helped confirm the reasons for our frustration and anger at the way Nourry is running our club.
Beans, just give up and go back to your manager to report that the mission is not working. |
It is interesting just how quickly we've slipped from "perhaps" "I guess" "I hope" to "this is what we're doing and why". | | | |
| Manager situation on 08:29 - Jun 11 with 2058 views | Beans |
| Manager situation on 08:02 - Jun 11 by Northernr |
But they're not spreading out the news are they? They're bunching it all up for one big release. They're doing the opposite of what you said there, the complete opposite.
"As opposed to doing all the news in late May or June as you suggest".
1 - as the other day, you're putting words in my mouth I haven't said, and don't think.
2 - It's impossible to do all the news in late May or early June, because you'll be signing players to the end of August.
My point is news shouldn't be stage managed, fans should be kept informed, it's our club not theirs. We should be told what's happening as it's happening. I'm quite old fashioned like that.
Now you're saying this is all part of a stage managed thing to boost revenues, publicity, ticket sales etc (season tickets are on sale now, BTW). Okay, let's say you're right.
Nourry has already done this once at the fan forum, collecting up announcements so he can make a big splash that'll make him look brilliant and play really well on Twitter. He then got pretty angry with us for reporting that he'd done that, said it was "unfair and inaccurate". He said at the fans forum we'll tell you everything as soon as we can. So are you now saying he lied about that? Because both can't be true.
And as for your other snippy remarks, I responded in detail to points you made the other day and you ignored me.
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Firstly I was not putting words in your mouth. On page 2 of this thread you said that it was "derranged" to not be furious with Nourry that Edward's had left or that Saito had left (even though he was small and you we're simultaneously furious that we had signed him in the first place for that reason) and i used Clarke Salter and Kelman as my reasons in that specific context about why we should not necessarily be furious yet. I ignored your post there because I believe I was very clear that I was addressing your bullet pointed remarks on page 2 of this thread. You went off on a tangent unrelated to that and I didn't want into a drawn out thing. I had made my point.
And as for the PR strategy with news I would say both bits can be true. The contract renewal news as an example. The Lloyd, Kolli, Morgan then Chair contract renewals were spread out for the reasons I give. Then yes at the same time it is also true that the club have an approach of also grouping significant news around big dates, the Dembele signing and Clarke Salter renewal being one example and I anticipated of this month season ticket deadline as well.
The ticket sales are up 15% under Nourry despite our horrendous home record and a cost of living crisis exacerbated by our latest incompetent government. Yet to see anyone else attempt to explain the reason for the sudden jump | | | |
| Manager situation on 08:33 - Jun 11 with 2025 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 08:29 - Jun 11 by Beans |
Firstly I was not putting words in your mouth. On page 2 of this thread you said that it was "derranged" to not be furious with Nourry that Edward's had left or that Saito had left (even though he was small and you we're simultaneously furious that we had signed him in the first place for that reason) and i used Clarke Salter and Kelman as my reasons in that specific context about why we should not necessarily be furious yet. I ignored your post there because I believe I was very clear that I was addressing your bullet pointed remarks on page 2 of this thread. You went off on a tangent unrelated to that and I didn't want into a drawn out thing. I had made my point.
And as for the PR strategy with news I would say both bits can be true. The contract renewal news as an example. The Lloyd, Kolli, Morgan then Chair contract renewals were spread out for the reasons I give. Then yes at the same time it is also true that the club have an approach of also grouping significant news around big dates, the Dembele signing and Clarke Salter renewal being one example and I anticipated of this month season ticket deadline as well.
The ticket sales are up 15% under Nourry despite our horrendous home record and a cost of living crisis exacerbated by our latest incompetent government. Yet to see anyone else attempt to explain the reason for the sudden jump |
"The Lloyd, Kolli, Morgan then Chair contract renewals were spread out for the reasons I give. Then yes at the same time it is also true that the club have an approach of also grouping significant news around big dates."
I agree. But when we reported that, Nourry denied it. He said we were "unfair and inaccurate" in our coverage for suggesting this is what he was doing. So, again, you're saying he wasn't telling the truth there? | | | |
| Manager situation on 08:40 - Jun 11 with 1961 views | QPRSam |
| Manager situation on 23:33 - Jun 10 by 1JD |
I half wonder why folks bother to give the time of day to these new posters, but I get it all the same. But I believe the vast majority know what is going on here. They repeatedly have the hallmark of Nourry. And his direction is written all over them. It’s either Christian himself (hello Christian), or his expensive PR disciples. Either way, it’s rank. |
Apologies as I've downvoted instead of replying
Though wouldn't calling for muting of opposing / dissenting voices be an absolute hallmark of the supposed Nourry that exists?
If the ridiculousness that the bloke is just getting bored on his analytics laptop and creating a bunch of accounts of LFW I'll throw my hands up. I think the far more likely scenario is that the absolute anti-Nourry sentiment on here will cause a fan with mixed opinions to sign up and fight the other corner
It's an online forum at the end of the day, it should be expected to have differing opinions and not to become an echo chamber | | | |
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| Manager situation on 08:51 - Jun 11 with 1889 views | Beans |
| Manager situation on 08:33 - Jun 11 by Northernr |
"The Lloyd, Kolli, Morgan then Chair contract renewals were spread out for the reasons I give. Then yes at the same time it is also true that the club have an approach of also grouping significant news around big dates."
I agree. But when we reported that, Nourry denied it. He said we were "unfair and inaccurate" in our coverage for suggesting this is what he was doing. So, again, you're saying he wasn't telling the truth there? |
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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| Manager situation on 08:55 - Jun 11 with 1858 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager situation on 08:51 - Jun 11 by Beans |
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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We don’t have a tight pitch. Massive myth.
Critical thinking is built on what’s true. [Post edited 11 Jun 8:55]
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| Manager situation on 09:01 - Jun 11 with 1787 views | BklynRanger |
Fcuk this.
I'd use words like misguided, sanctimonious and lackey but what's the point?
Just fcuk it. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 09:09 - Jun 11 with 1699 views | daveB |
| Manager situation on 08:15 - Jun 11 by Beans |
Is there any need to start with calling someone thick. Especially when you have badly misunderstood the point being made. I thought I spelled out pretty clearly the strategy isn't aimed at the sort of fan who is renewing regardless or buying a match ticket, regardless
If you think I am suggesting people "forget" then you really aren't following along. It's about the marginal difference. The club have a strategy for maximising attendances. And I'm saying there PR strategy is part of it. For what you are saying to be true all things being equal we will sell the same number of tickets each season. Let's have a look if that is true
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/queens-parkrangers/besucherzahlenentwicklung/ver
For the last 5 years excluding Covid affected seasons we averaged league attendances of 14,185. For the last two years since Nourry's involvement in the club it has been 16,254 and that includes this season a reduction because we normally have away fans only the top tier and then had to close off front rows in lower school end. This is 2,000 extra a game. If you say the club average a conservative £30 revenue per extra person that's £1.4m a season extra. Bit more significant than what Simmo was allegedly so worried about on the shirt sales impact.
Spreading out the news is a part of the strategy for the reasons outlined in my two previous posts
And on Baz's point comparing Nike to Errea in size. Errea have around 200 employees where as Nike have around 80,000 would be my response on that |
I didn't call anyone thick, I said how thick do you think people are, two very different things, I am suggesting your PR strategy, and lets drop the bollocks that you are a regular fan and not working on behalf of the club, is treating people as if they are thick and will just dance to your tune
If this clear strategy isn't aimed at fans renewing then what is the point of holding back things during the renwall window when the only people who can buy tickets for next season are current season ticket holders?
I get it a bit more if you do this when new season ticket holders can buy them in July and you want to attract new fans with a big announcement but for me that's a foolish way of doing things as those kind of "Less engaged" people are unlikely to commit to a full season ticket unless you are in the premier league, they are more likely to go on a match by match basis and anything you do now is irrelevant to if they fancy going to see us play Derby in November
If you think the crowds went up due to Nourry or his changes I think you have misunderstood how football works. They went up as we had a quite exciting relegation battle and the team felt like they were on the up with a very popular manager and a likeable team. We'll see if that holds up this season if it isn't any better especially with all the games being moved to random times again. We have also reduced attendance due to cutting off part of the school end rather than increased it
Good to know we are spending our money so well on this PR strategy though, it sounds like a great move and the ground will be full the tills will be overworked due to some announcements being held back. I work in tv and am gonna suggest to the bosses we do the same and don't tell anyone what shows are coming up or when they are on, that should get us more viewers. Maybe other clubs should try this rather than treating their fans like adults, they are all missing a trick here [Post edited 11 Jun 9:12]
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| Manager situation on 09:13 - Jun 11 with 1656 views | SW_Ranger |
I’m resigned to ‘it’s going to be what/when it’s going to be’ now.
My interest is becoming apathy to be honest.
I get the thought that launching the new manager with new signings will benefit the new manager coming in. Whatever. But I always thought communication was about engagement, not disengagement which seems to be what we have now.
Just say something, even if it’s nothing. At least we would have something different to tear apart. | | | |
| Manager situation on 09:16 - Jun 11 with 1619 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager situation on 21:10 - Jun 10 by Beans |
I think it's unlikely to be driven by apathy of the management or an intention to disrespect you. Interesting you feel that because I believe it’s instead likely motivated by maximising revenues at the club. I find it unlikely that a young CEO early on in his career had already reached the point of being so jaded that he is “apathetic” towards the clubs fan base
The sort of fan who doesn't log on to a message board like this regularly or refresh twitter looking for updates is going to spend money at the club if they can so despite those fans craving the content the most, what benefits the club financially may not be to have a strategy that keeps those fans happiest.
So by spreading out the news, or having a flurry of positive news like at the end of this month around pay day as we approach the end of the loyalty renewal window. It prompts them into an increased likelihood of them buying a ticket. As it increases the number of days more fans think about the club, click the link and go on to the clubs website and for many reasons on any one of those extra days maybe they do find themself buying a match ticket. Which they might not have bought if the club had released all the news in late May or early June. When maybe a chunk of fans are on holiday, broke, at a wedding, busy with work etc
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There is so much to analyse and say about this post and others, but I’ll summarise it:
Complete and utter horsesh*t.
As Dave said, it is very clear Nourry (and his PR firm) does not understand football fans or the club.
It’s also illuminating how much focus is being placed a specific tactic related to maximising attendances. It’s football. If the team is doing well, if the fanbase is united and feels close to the club, you will create momentum. A successful team and an engaged fanbase is the best way to maximise revenue. This is why promoted teams so often outperform their budget. It’s how Sunderland can go from being a shit show to the Prem.
How do you create that unity and momentum? It’s not by keeping fans in the dark and treating them like idiots. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 09:17 - Jun 11 with 1610 views | FDC |
| Manager situation on 08:23 - Jun 11 by Northernr |
It is interesting just how quickly we've slipped from "perhaps" "I guess" "I hope" to "this is what we're doing and why". |
There's a lot of disdain for the common football punter coming through too
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| Manager situation on 09:22 - Jun 11 with 1565 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager situation on 09:17 - Jun 11 by FDC |
There's a lot of disdain for the common football punter coming through too
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Massively so.
And also naivety of grouping all football fans together. All good businesses segment their audience (fans in this industry) into different cohorts and message strategically to each.
Good businesses (and leaders) also listen.
Not much evidence of that over the last 18 months. | | | |
| Manager situation on 09:33 - Jun 11 with 1477 views | Ned_Kennedys |
The usual suspects getting all angry and upset on here. They are not representative of the main fanbase.
Is the timing of communications really that important in the general scheme of things? Of course not. It’s still early June. Always things to moan about. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 09:41 - Jun 11 with 1436 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Manager situation on 08:51 - Jun 11 by Beans |
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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"Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking"
Critical thinking, hahahaha. You came on here and within a couple of posts accused posters en masse of being conspiracy theorists for believing something THAT IS CLEARLY TRUE! You couldn't get further from intelligent and reasonable critical thinking and debate if you tried.
But then have the hilarious levels of front to pronounce -
"Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole."
I mean mate, you're new on here, you pile in two feet first attempting to discredit through gaslighting ( a big pet peeve of mine, you may have noticed) and then start the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the state of society.
Very poor.
I've got absolutely no issue with the genuine posters supporting Nourry like Ned Kennedy, Wilkinswatercarrier etc, they make plenty of good points, creating good discussions. It's what this message board is all about even if we do all get a bit fruity with each other sometimes. But some new posters just stand out in a bad way and we all see it. Even if you are a genuine fan, and it appears many an old and respected head on here doesn't think you are, your style of 'debate' has the opposite affect than that which you are hoping for.
I think Nourry will ultimately be judged on what happens on the pitch, not by winning 'hearts and minds' on a message board, but with all the arrogance you're not helping. [Post edited 11 Jun 10:25]
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| Manager situation on 09:51 - Jun 11 with 1367 views | Mr_Beef |
| Manager situation on 09:33 - Jun 11 by Ned_Kennedys |
The usual suspects getting all angry and upset on here. They are not representative of the main fanbase.
Is the timing of communications really that important in the general scheme of things? Of course not. It’s still early June. Always things to moan about. |
You're right, Ned. All is going smoothly at the club. Nothing to see here, let's all just move on. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 09:54 - Jun 11 with 1360 views | nadera78 |
If you have a good story to tell, you tell it. If you don't, that's when you need the machinations and bull sh*t. And the pr company, of course. | | | |
| Manager situation on 09:55 - Jun 11 with 1349 views | TheChef |
| Manager situation on 09:22 - Jun 11 by Hunterhoop |
Massively so.
And also naivety of grouping all football fans together. All good businesses segment their audience (fans in this industry) into different cohorts and message strategically to each.
Good businesses (and leaders) also listen.
Not much evidence of that over the last 18 months. |
This PR firm seems to think they're dealing with a global Premier League club whose fans will change allegiance at the drop of a hat.
We're a middling second tier football club whose fans like to go to matches and see their mates, and like to feel close to the club and not be treated like idiots.
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| Manager situation on 09:59 - Jun 11 with 1310 views | EastR |
My favourite is the assertion that attendances have increased by 15% as a direct result of the arrival of the new CEO. Boy genius.
I must have missed the chants ringing out from the lower loft
‘here for the Nourry, we’re only here for the Nourry’
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| Manager situation on 10:03 - Jun 11 with 1277 views | dmm |
| Manager situation on 08:51 - Jun 11 by Beans |
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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Re your final two paras: you've clearly not been reading this forum for very long or you have read it rather selectively. Many, if not most, posters who are critical of Nourry have been very pleased with how the academy and DS is developing under him. Some of us have even said the DS's cup final victory was our highlight of last season. It was mine. Opinions of Nourry are not as 'black or white' as you believe.
Also, you think people on here don't have different opinions, or think critically. If you'd been reading this site for any length of time, you would not have been able to post that statement. There have been all manner of debates, disagreements and exchanges of opinions over the years.
You are verging on the disrespectful, which, as you are a new poster, is not being happily received. | | | |
| Manager situation on 10:03 - Jun 11 with 1273 views | daveB |
| Manager situation on 09:33 - Jun 11 by Ned_Kennedys |
The usual suspects getting all angry and upset on here. They are not representative of the main fanbase.
Is the timing of communications really that important in the general scheme of things? Of course not. It’s still early June. Always things to moan about. |
I'm neither angry or upset, i think this new strategy from the club is a bit stupid though
The timing of announcements is only important if they hold stuff back. I don't particularly care if we are doing a long hunt for a new manager and that process reaches a conclusion next month but just say thats what you are doing. I don't expect the JimmY Dunne contract to be announced before July whether that is going r staying.
What the club are doing though, and they have said as much here,in holding back things to try and manipulate us into spending money is laughable | | | |
| Manager situation on 10:09 - Jun 11 with 1223 views | oldchap |
| Manager situation on 08:51 - Jun 11 by Beans |
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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To claim that the views of posters are all 'hang in' or 'hail him' is incorrect. Of course there are some who hold that position but you do a massive disservice to the large number of posts that are more nuanced but can (and have) listed a number of reasonable concerns where there has been a lack of information that is not healthy for an organisation that needs to connect to a fanbase' It shows a distinct lack of emotional intelligence.
Owners and leaders of football clubs are transitory. The fans are for ever and pass that passion and emotion onto their families. You may choose to describe them as 'weird' or 'unable to think critically or as individuals' but you are wrong. Your posts lack any sense of that emotional attachment to the football club and appear contemptuous of those that do.
In some ways your posts reflect a sad reality of top level football where supporters are merely a useful cash cow to be manipulated by marketing and messaging and to provide atmosphere for the broadcasters. Your apparently 'rational' and 'logical' explanations come over as arrogant and dismissive of the feelings of genuine football fans. This may not be your intention but that is how it comes over. The contrived attempt at 'empathy' by a small 'Nourry is not infallible' anecdote is palpable nonsense.
If leadership is simply about being good at analysing data , manipulating messaging to try and maximise revenue then it would be dead simple. The real world is complex, messy and requires an ability to engage with people , be they employees, or customers/fans/stakeholders.
The fact that the CEO is so inexperienced is not helpful but on the plus side he can be a fast learner and adapt. If he does he will quickly get people onside. But having 'proxies' trying to defend an indefensible position looks and feels like the actions of an immature individual who needs to rethink his approach and comms style. | | | |
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