| WW3 on its way 06:45 - Jun 22 with 13469 views | loftboy |
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| WW3 on its way on 13:52 - Jun 22 with 2137 views | BostonR |
Israel is the only nuclear power in the middle-east. Their arsenal is estimated to be over 200 operational warheads which can be delivered by submarine based cruise missiles, bombers or straight forward ICBMs.
They flatly deny they have them and opt out of any external inspection regime. Iran are far from innocent bystanders, but the hypocrisy that it is fine for the fanatical morons running Israel at present to be trusted with nuclear weapons and the Iranian regime aren’t - is just mind boggling!
I find the political thinking that Israel are defending our way of life from the Muslim masses to be idiotic. It’s that mindset that got us embroiled in Iraq and Syria and that look how that ended up for the western allies.
Israel is ok letting the west arm them, so they can shoot from afar and allow their troops to butcher thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza which is genocide. If the US and Europe were to pull their arms to Israel and the middle-east were to erupt into a conventional conflict, Israel would go nuclear - literally.
Not long before China starts to arm Iran, then we’ll see the game even out. Israel has to be reined in quickly before they plunder the whole world into a catastrophic conflict. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 13:52 - Jun 22 with 2131 views | joe90 |
🤦🏻♂️ That’s blown my theory out the water. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 14:19 - Jun 22 with 2017 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| WW3 on its way on 13:52 - Jun 22 by BostonR |
Israel is the only nuclear power in the middle-east. Their arsenal is estimated to be over 200 operational warheads which can be delivered by submarine based cruise missiles, bombers or straight forward ICBMs.
They flatly deny they have them and opt out of any external inspection regime. Iran are far from innocent bystanders, but the hypocrisy that it is fine for the fanatical morons running Israel at present to be trusted with nuclear weapons and the Iranian regime aren’t - is just mind boggling!
I find the political thinking that Israel are defending our way of life from the Muslim masses to be idiotic. It’s that mindset that got us embroiled in Iraq and Syria and that look how that ended up for the western allies.
Israel is ok letting the west arm them, so they can shoot from afar and allow their troops to butcher thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza which is genocide. If the US and Europe were to pull their arms to Israel and the middle-east were to erupt into a conventional conflict, Israel would go nuclear - literally.
Not long before China starts to arm Iran, then we’ll see the game even out. Israel has to be reined in quickly before they plunder the whole world into a catastrophic conflict. |
Israel maintains a status of ambiguity regarding its nuclear capability and has done since the 1960s. In that time they have since fought the Yom Kippur war in 1973 against several Arab countries in a conventional war. They did not go nuclear then and there is nothing to suggest they would in the future.
I respect people's opinions, but please do not write things that are factually incorrect or hysterical.
As I posted earlier, this is not a big deal, Iran is a paper tiger. Watch Taiwan. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 14:22 - Jun 22 with 2024 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| WW3 on its way on 13:52 - Jun 22 by joe90 |
🤦🏻♂️ That’s blown my theory out the water. |
No it’s fair enough, because how would you know?
Barely covered in UK media. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 14:47 - Jun 22 with 1927 views | BostonR |
| WW3 on its way on 14:19 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Israel maintains a status of ambiguity regarding its nuclear capability and has done since the 1960s. In that time they have since fought the Yom Kippur war in 1973 against several Arab countries in a conventional war. They did not go nuclear then and there is nothing to suggest they would in the future.
I respect people's opinions, but please do not write things that are factually incorrect or hysterical.
As I posted earlier, this is not a big deal, Iran is a paper tiger. Watch Taiwan. |
Fcuk me! What is factually incorrect? As for hysterical look in the mirror.
The point of Israel using ambiguity regarding its nuclear arsenal is a well-worn mantra used by Israeli politicians and commentators who hide behind it. The fact is Israel has nuclear weapons-end of.
It’s a historical fact that Israel prepared to use nukes in 1973 should it be over-run. It’s fact that Israeli scientists stole the uranium to start its own nuclear weapons programme. Yes they stole it.
Of the three countries currently involved in this conflict the US used nuclear weapons, Israel was prepared to use them in 1973. Iran doesn’t have a nuclear weapon and the fact is it wasn’t currently building a nuclear weapons programme. Facts matter. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 14:51 - Jun 22 with 1898 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| WW3 on its way on 10:11 - Jun 22 by Esox_Lucius |
With the UK supplying arms, Intel and troop training for Israel for decades now I would say it has a lot to with the UK.
The only people who profit from war are the arms manufacturers.
I get the strong impression from the US that Trump wants war as his ratings are plummeting and since Musk revealed that his name appears multiple times in the Epstein files, he is actively trying to bury that news.
Try not to think of it as families being torn apart by war but think of it as collateral damage in the fight for global domination. [Post edited 22 Jun 11:13]
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Excellent post but you are overplaying the Epstien files card there a majority in the USA could not gives a crap about those files and you have Bill Clinton on live on tv this week and nobody bats an eye lash or asks him about it and he is high up on the island guest list without his secret service detail.
However I suspect many people are not in favor of this strike IMO and without congress it makes it more difficult to sell.
Bringing in the big bombers and dropping the payload is one thing but NOBODY left or right wants US boots on the ground and with Trump despite his promises nothing can be ruled out.
Are we all safer today I have my doubts but I am not educated in these matters but it sure looks like Isreal have serious power over world leaders and that is not a good thing IMO |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 14:54 - Jun 22 with 1877 views | dmm |
| WW3 on its way on 14:19 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Israel maintains a status of ambiguity regarding its nuclear capability and has done since the 1960s. In that time they have since fought the Yom Kippur war in 1973 against several Arab countries in a conventional war. They did not go nuclear then and there is nothing to suggest they would in the future.
I respect people's opinions, but please do not write things that are factually incorrect or hysterical.
As I posted earlier, this is not a big deal, Iran is a paper tiger. Watch Taiwan. |
"...this is not a big deal..."
Over 400 people killed through Israel and America illegally bombing another country. Yeah, why on earth should we care about that? |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 15:04 - Jun 22 with 1841 views | ngbqpr |
| WW3 on its way on 11:35 - Jun 22 by joe90 |
I don’t think Iran will end up like Iraq. Different people, different culture, very different regime. Targeted strikes should be enough to bring the regime to the table. They’re at their strongest when fighting indirectly, which they have been doing for years. They know they’ll lose a direct war. My feeling is they’ll come to the negotiation table pretty soon and we’ll see pause in hostility.
There isn’t the means for regime change from within the country, don’t be fooled by the street protests you see on the news. We might see the regime loosen up on certain things like some women’s rights, but it’ll always be just enough and never anything too radical.
My hope first and foremost is for the conflict to end and second to that, I hope the regime withdraws itself form Syria/Lebanon/Yemen/Iraq/Palestine, because this is what is causing the conflict. There’s no need for them to be involved. Leave the Arabs to sort themselves out. [Post edited 22 Jun 11:37]
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You may be right, but equally why should Iran currently trust the diplomacy route?
They signed an agreement with Obama, only for Trump to rip it up in his first term.
They're at the table with the US, only for Israel to launch 'pre-emptive' strikes while they're mid-talks.
Trump then says he's "thinking about it" for 2 weeks, so they sit down with some of the Europeans only for Trump to attack. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 15:29 - Jun 22 with 1760 views | R_from_afar |
There's a bitter irony to the fact that Israel bombed Tabriz.
Scholars believe that is where the Bible places the garden of Eden. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| WW3 on its way on 15:30 - Jun 22 with 1757 views | Paddyhoops |
I wonder do you any of these megalomaniacs wake up in the morning and think “I’m going to do something nice today”
They’re all c**nts . Everyone of them . Power corruption and lies drives them all .
Any one who thinks that woman and children are expendable and collateral damage to further thier cause won’t be going to whatever nirvana or heaven or whatever fictional Disney f**king afterlife they think is coming after death.
Anyway let’s hope this French geezer can’t cut the mustard as our new head coach. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 15:45 - Jun 22 with 1702 views | colinallcars |
| WW3 on its way on 13:49 - Jun 22 by charmr |
Only one way to settle all the shenanigans.
Let’s have a POLL. |
Initiated by Stainrod's Elbow. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 15:53 - Jun 22 with 1665 views | joe90 |
| WW3 on its way on 15:04 - Jun 22 by ngbqpr |
You may be right, but equally why should Iran currently trust the diplomacy route?
They signed an agreement with Obama, only for Trump to rip it up in his first term.
They're at the table with the US, only for Israel to launch 'pre-emptive' strikes while they're mid-talks.
Trump then says he's "thinking about it" for 2 weeks, so they sit down with some of the Europeans only for Trump to attack. |
Sadly, what choice do they have?
Iran’s focus has to be damage limitation. If they can come out of this with the country still intact, that’s a good outcome. [Post edited 22 Jun 15:54]
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| WW3 on its way on 16:35 - Jun 22 with 1536 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| WW3 on its way on 15:53 - Jun 22 by joe90 |
Sadly, what choice do they have?
Iran’s focus has to be damage limitation. If they can come out of this with the country still intact, that’s a good outcome. [Post edited 22 Jun 15:54]
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That's a bit of an assumption, given we don't know what's going to happen with Iran's talks with Russia and what support they'll get from their allies in the middle-east.
They could decide that killing Americans is the best option, in the hope that the conflict between Trump and MAGA will be enough to deter the sociopathic pumpkin from further military action. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 16:45 - Jun 22 with 1495 views | GosportHoops |
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| WW3 on its way on 16:56 - Jun 22 with 1443 views | stainrods_elbow |
| WW3 on its way on 07:42 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
No it's not, not yet anyway.
Sir Niall Ferguson has been warning for years that when China decides to take Taiwan, which President Xi has publicly vowed to do by 2027, then that is the danger point.
If China blockades Taiwan (which they are practicing) then the US has to decide if they are prepared to break it, the Cuban missile crises in reverse.
Thousands of US and allied nation military will die (including UK) if they try, but don't defend Taiwan and all credibility is lost.
Communist China dominates the Pacific and becomes the dominate global power. American empire ends and we live in a Chinese world of mass surveillance etc.
I'm no warmonger, but US strikes against Iran are actually a good thing to try and avert the above nightmare scenario. Maximum deterant to warn others.
Israel, Iran, Yemen and Ukraine are all sideshows to the Taiwan flash point. |
Good to know you regard Israel's genocidal destruction of the Palestinians as a mere 'sideshow' on the world stage! Perhaps if it was your race that was being exterminated with the complicity of the so-called human rights-extolling European states you'd be singing a different tune! |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 17:12 - Jun 22 with 1431 views | Watford_Ranger |
| WW3 on its way on 16:56 - Jun 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Good to know you regard Israel's genocidal destruction of the Palestinians as a mere 'sideshow' on the world stage! Perhaps if it was your race that was being exterminated with the complicity of the so-called human rights-extolling European states you'd be singing a different tune! |
I get that Palestine is a bit trendy but this is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is being exterminated or anything vaguely close. Another victim of October 7th’s body was recovered yesterday. Still a dozen or so hostages believed to be alive. No other country in Israel’s situation would have close to this level of expectation upon it to fight the perfect war in the most intentionally impossible of circumstances. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 17:26 - Jun 22 with 1387 views | RichardKeoghFanBoy |
| WW3 on its way on 17:12 - Jun 22 by Watford_Ranger |
I get that Palestine is a bit trendy but this is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is being exterminated or anything vaguely close. Another victim of October 7th’s body was recovered yesterday. Still a dozen or so hostages believed to be alive. No other country in Israel’s situation would have close to this level of expectation upon it to fight the perfect war in the most intentionally impossible of circumstances. |
“Trendy”. Appalling comment.
Just because you lack the ability to empathise with tens of thousands of innocent people being bombed out of their homes doesn’t mean everyone who does care do so because it’s trendy. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 17:30 - Jun 22 with 1358 views | numptydumpty |
| WW3 on its way on 17:12 - Jun 22 by Watford_Ranger |
I get that Palestine is a bit trendy but this is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is being exterminated or anything vaguely close. Another victim of October 7th’s body was recovered yesterday. Still a dozen or so hostages believed to be alive. No other country in Israel’s situation would have close to this level of expectation upon it to fight the perfect war in the most intentionally impossible of circumstances. |
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Palestine is pretty much destroyed.
Many many times the amount of people have died in the carnage than in the initial attacks on Israel by Hamas. The October 7th was horrific but the reaction equally so. There is never justification for such barbarism and violence.
Innocent people with no axe to grind, have lived in fear of their lives ever since.
Israel should stop all these attacks as their reactions are beyond comparison to what initiated them in the first place. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 17:33 - Jun 22 with 1350 views | Landshark |
| WW3 on its way on 08:41 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I don't normally get involved in political threads, but this one I will....
For nearly 50 years Iran has caused mayhem around the Middle East. Arming and controlling proxy armies with the stated aim of destroying Israel (and killing numerous British soldiers over the years).
The AEA 2 weeks ago reported Iran was breaking the agreements in place and then Iran declared it was speeding up and expanding enrichment. It admitted it, the first time in decades that it has told the truth. That was the trigger for Israel.
It is an authoritarian regime that has murdered its own people over decades and exported death. They are reaping what they sowed.
Notice the near silence from Russia, N Korea and China. Its deafening. |
I read this today in relation to the history of Iran and why they might be "causing mayhem"
"In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who committed what, in the eyes of the British Empire and the United States, was an unforgivable sin: he nationalized Iran’s oil industry.
For decades, British Petroleum (then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) had extracted Iran’s wealth, leaving the Iranian people with little to show for it. Mossadegh’s move was a bid for sovereignty, dignity, and the right of a nation to control its own resources. The response from the so-called “free world” was swift and brutal: a joint CIA-MI6 operation, code-named Operation Ajax, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Mossadegh, using black propaganda, bribed politicians, manufactured riots, and false flag attacks to create chaos and justify intervention. Hundreds died in the streets of Tehran as the Shah—an autocratic monarch—was reinstalled with American and British backing.
This single act of imperial violence shattered Iran’s democracy and set the stage for everything that followed: decades of dictatorship under the authoritarian Shah, the rise of the secret police (trained and armed by the CIA), the deepening of anti-Western sentiment, and ultimately the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It’s not a stretch to say that the roots of today’s tensions, the cycles of violence, and the specter of war all trace back to this original sin. The aftershocks of that coup are still being felt, not only in Iran, but across the entire Middle East.
Yet, in the American imagination, history often starts with the hostage crisis, or with the latest missile launch, or with the rhetoric of “rogue states.” We’re taught to see Iran as an irrational enemy, a threat to “our” interests, never as a nation whose modern history was violently derailed by foreign powers seeking oil and geopolitical dominance. The coup became a blueprint for U.S. and British interventions around the world, fueling a legacy of distrust, blowback, and endless war.
This is not ancient history. The U.S. government only formally admitted its role in the coup in 2013, after decades of denial and the destruction of key documents. The British government’s involvement was only acknowledged even more recently. The details are staggering: CIA operatives posing as communists bombing mosques to stir up religious opposition, paying mobsters to riot in the streets, and bribing editors to print fake news-long before “fake news” became a household phrase.
So when Americans beat the drums of war with Iran, or wonder aloud “why do they hate us?”, we have to reckon with the fact that the U.S. and U.K. destroyed Iran’s best chance at democracy for the sake of oil profits and imperial power.
Imagine if a foreign power overthrew your government, installed a dictator, and then lectured you for decades about freedom and democracy. Imagine if, every time you tried to chart your own course, you were met with sanctions, threats, and military intervention.
The story of Iran is not unique. It’s a microcosm of the broader pattern of Western interventionism: democracy is celebrated only when it aligns with the interests of empire. When democracy threatens those interests—when a nation dares to control its own resources, or refuses to play by the rules of the global order—it is crushed, and the consequences are borne by ordinary people for generations.
This is not about excusing the crimes or authoritarianism of the Iranian regime. It’s about understanding the context that gave rise to it, and the role that Western powers played in destroying the possibility of a different, more peaceful future. It’s about recognizing that the seeds of today’s conflicts were planted by yesterday’s coups, sanctions, and covert operations.
If we truly want peace, if we want to avoid another catastrophic war, the first step is honesty. We have to confront our own history, acknowledge the violence committed in our name, and reject the amnesia that allows us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until we do, every new crisis will be haunted by the ghosts of 1953—and the world will continue to pay the price for our refusal to learn from the past.
- Tim Hjersted | Films For Action" | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 17:44 - Jun 22 with 1298 views | Myke |
| WW3 on its way on 17:33 - Jun 22 by Landshark |
I read this today in relation to the history of Iran and why they might be "causing mayhem"
"In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who committed what, in the eyes of the British Empire and the United States, was an unforgivable sin: he nationalized Iran’s oil industry.
For decades, British Petroleum (then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) had extracted Iran’s wealth, leaving the Iranian people with little to show for it. Mossadegh’s move was a bid for sovereignty, dignity, and the right of a nation to control its own resources. The response from the so-called “free world” was swift and brutal: a joint CIA-MI6 operation, code-named Operation Ajax, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Mossadegh, using black propaganda, bribed politicians, manufactured riots, and false flag attacks to create chaos and justify intervention. Hundreds died in the streets of Tehran as the Shah—an autocratic monarch—was reinstalled with American and British backing.
This single act of imperial violence shattered Iran’s democracy and set the stage for everything that followed: decades of dictatorship under the authoritarian Shah, the rise of the secret police (trained and armed by the CIA), the deepening of anti-Western sentiment, and ultimately the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It’s not a stretch to say that the roots of today’s tensions, the cycles of violence, and the specter of war all trace back to this original sin. The aftershocks of that coup are still being felt, not only in Iran, but across the entire Middle East.
Yet, in the American imagination, history often starts with the hostage crisis, or with the latest missile launch, or with the rhetoric of “rogue states.” We’re taught to see Iran as an irrational enemy, a threat to “our” interests, never as a nation whose modern history was violently derailed by foreign powers seeking oil and geopolitical dominance. The coup became a blueprint for U.S. and British interventions around the world, fueling a legacy of distrust, blowback, and endless war.
This is not ancient history. The U.S. government only formally admitted its role in the coup in 2013, after decades of denial and the destruction of key documents. The British government’s involvement was only acknowledged even more recently. The details are staggering: CIA operatives posing as communists bombing mosques to stir up religious opposition, paying mobsters to riot in the streets, and bribing editors to print fake news-long before “fake news” became a household phrase.
So when Americans beat the drums of war with Iran, or wonder aloud “why do they hate us?”, we have to reckon with the fact that the U.S. and U.K. destroyed Iran’s best chance at democracy for the sake of oil profits and imperial power.
Imagine if a foreign power overthrew your government, installed a dictator, and then lectured you for decades about freedom and democracy. Imagine if, every time you tried to chart your own course, you were met with sanctions, threats, and military intervention.
The story of Iran is not unique. It’s a microcosm of the broader pattern of Western interventionism: democracy is celebrated only when it aligns with the interests of empire. When democracy threatens those interests—when a nation dares to control its own resources, or refuses to play by the rules of the global order—it is crushed, and the consequences are borne by ordinary people for generations.
This is not about excusing the crimes or authoritarianism of the Iranian regime. It’s about understanding the context that gave rise to it, and the role that Western powers played in destroying the possibility of a different, more peaceful future. It’s about recognizing that the seeds of today’s conflicts were planted by yesterday’s coups, sanctions, and covert operations.
If we truly want peace, if we want to avoid another catastrophic war, the first step is honesty. We have to confront our own history, acknowledge the violence committed in our name, and reject the amnesia that allows us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until we do, every new crisis will be haunted by the ghosts of 1953—and the world will continue to pay the price for our refusal to learn from the past.
- Tim Hjersted | Films For Action" |
Ah a political thread - goody | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 17:50 - Jun 22 with 1253 views | PlanetHonneywood |
As independently sourced rebuttal from credible sources go Barry, you've done well! |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 17:55 - Jun 22 with 1230 views | Watford_Ranger |
With respect to you, Baz, I get why you and many (maybe most) feel the way you do. Those organisations have badly let down a people I care about and in the case of the UN and Amnesty have proven to be both impotent and far from unbiased. I probably should have just ignored the thread in hindsight as I’ve had more than enough of it in real life and won’t argue it further here. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 18:00 - Jun 22 with 1207 views | Paddyhoops |
| WW3 on its way on 17:12 - Jun 22 by Watford_Ranger |
I get that Palestine is a bit trendy but this is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is being exterminated or anything vaguely close. Another victim of October 7th’s body was recovered yesterday. Still a dozen or so hostages believed to be alive. No other country in Israel’s situation would have close to this level of expectation upon it to fight the perfect war in the most intentionally impossible of circumstances. |
Up ticked by mistake . I respect a lot of what you say but I think you’re way off the mark here .
Piss poor . Perfect wars don’t exist but it’s gone way too far now . | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 18:14 - Jun 22 with 1132 views | Landshark |
| WW3 on its way on 17:44 - Jun 22 by Myke |
Ah a political thread - goody |
What are you expecting on a thread titled "WW3 on its way"? The signing of a new 30 goal a season star striker called WW3? | | | |
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