| WW3 on its way 06:45 - Jun 22 with 11421 views | loftboy |
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| WW3 on its way on 11:21 - Jun 22 with 1758 views | Esox_Lucius |
| WW3 on its way on 10:17 - Jun 22 by JamesB1979 |
I think we can overplay our importance on the world stage. We’re tiny and I don’t think many countries care or listen to us. We have minimal involvement in this conflict. But my point was that I don’t see this escalating beyond Middle East because the US could flatten Iran. We just stay out of it and try to descalate the situation through speaking to US, Iran, Israel and others. |
Supplying arms, training and reconnaissance intel isn't minimal involvement. If your position is that we're tiny and countries don't listen to us, then why is so much Israeli money funnelled to our politicians to keep them onside?
The fact that the US has 37? airbases surrounding Iran puts a lot of ordinary American lives at risk. This whole horrorshow smacks of Blair and his adherence to the WMD narrative in the debacle in Iraq. If the US want to go to war with Iran then it should be volunteers only sent there to do the fighting. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 11:35 - Jun 22 with 1713 views | joe90 |
I don’t think Iran will end up like Iraq. Different people, different culture, very different regime. Targeted strikes should be enough to bring the regime to the table. They’re at their strongest when fighting indirectly, which they have been doing for years. They know they’ll lose a direct war. My feeling is they’ll come to the negotiation table pretty soon and we’ll see pause in hostility.
There isn’t the means for regime change from within the country, don’t be fooled by the street protests you see on the news. We might see the regime loosen up on certain things like some women’s rights, but it’ll always be just enough and never anything too radical.
My hope first and foremost is for the conflict to end and second to that, I hope the regime withdraws itself form Syria/Lebanon/Yemen/Iraq/Palestine, because this is what is causing the conflict. There’s no need for them to be involved. Leave the Arabs to sort themselves out. [Post edited 22 Jun 11:37]
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| WW3 on its way on 11:35 - Jun 22 with 1711 views | dmm |
| WW3 on its way on 11:21 - Jun 22 by Esox_Lucius |
Supplying arms, training and reconnaissance intel isn't minimal involvement. If your position is that we're tiny and countries don't listen to us, then why is so much Israeli money funnelled to our politicians to keep them onside?
The fact that the US has 37? airbases surrounding Iran puts a lot of ordinary American lives at risk. This whole horrorshow smacks of Blair and his adherence to the WMD narrative in the debacle in Iraq. If the US want to go to war with Iran then it should be volunteers only sent there to do the fighting. |
Very good point Esox. I'd also add that the UK remains as one of just five permanent members of the UN security council.
The UK also has many strategic military locations around the world such as Diego Garcia, South Georgia, Gibraltar, and the Falkland Islands to name but a few. It also has many more military garrisons internationally on every continent. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 11:42 - Jun 22 with 1679 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| WW3 on its way on 11:35 - Jun 22 by dmm |
Very good point Esox. I'd also add that the UK remains as one of just five permanent members of the UN security council.
The UK also has many strategic military locations around the world such as Diego Garcia, South Georgia, Gibraltar, and the Falkland Islands to name but a few. It also has many more military garrisons internationally on every continent. |
Also, in context to Iran, at Bahrain.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-royal-navy-operations-hub-opens-in-gulf
Wonder how people would feel about a Iranian military base at Calais. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 11:47 - Jun 22 with 1624 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| WW3 on its way on 10:23 - Jun 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Absolute rubbish. Blaming the west for extremists and terror regimes that exist to subjugate their own people and who glorify their aims to utterly destroy other nations and religions. |
Just to clarify: Are you talking about Iran and/or the US? |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 11:51 - Jun 22 with 1603 views | connell10 |
I thought Trump said he would end American involvement in wars , it was part of his election ticket ! Some in MAGA ain't gonna be happy , could be WW3 within the Republican party! |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 11:51 - Jun 22 with 1619 views | Maggsinho |
| WW3 on its way on 08:24 - Jun 22 by dmm |
For the past 30 years the West and Israel have repeated said Iran was just about to produce a nuclear bomb. There was no evidence to prove those claims as inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency concluded.
Who the aggressors are in this story is clear enough. |
Iran has in recent years supported the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS, they’ve intervened in civil wars in Sudan and Syria and arm Russia with Shahed drones used to kill Ukrainians.
Internally the regime suppresses women, LGBT communities, ethnic minorities and uses torture, rape and execution as weapons of suppression.
There’s legitimate debate about the USA and Israel but let’s not paint Iran as innocent parties here. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 12:03 - Jun 22 with 1560 views | Gus_iom |
Apparently this is all a spill-over from the punch-up at the Surrey cricket game.
Who'd know? |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 12:05 - Jun 22 with 1557 views | DannyPaddox |
| WW3 on its way on 10:23 - Jun 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Absolute rubbish. Blaming the west for extremists and terror regimes that exist to subjugate their own people and who glorify their aims to utterly destroy other nations and religions. |
Have you no sense of history? It was the Pilgrim Fathers who founded the extremist terror regime that exists to subjugate their own people and glorify their aims to utterly destroy other nations and religions. The Pigrim Fathers. From England. And they were mostly fookin northerners! |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 12:09 - Jun 22 with 1520 views | MrSheen |
| WW3 on its way on 12:05 - Jun 22 by DannyPaddox |
Have you no sense of history? It was the Pilgrim Fathers who founded the extremist terror regime that exists to subjugate their own people and glorify their aims to utterly destroy other nations and religions. The Pigrim Fathers. From England. And they were mostly fookin northerners! |
On second thoughts… [Post edited 22 Jun 12:11]
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| WW3 on its way on 12:15 - Jun 22 with 1478 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| WW3 on its way on 11:51 - Jun 22 by Maggsinho |
Iran has in recent years supported the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS, they’ve intervened in civil wars in Sudan and Syria and arm Russia with Shahed drones used to kill Ukrainians.
Internally the regime suppresses women, LGBT communities, ethnic minorities and uses torture, rape and execution as weapons of suppression.
There’s legitimate debate about the USA and Israel but let’s not paint Iran as innocent parties here. |
Not a single person has called Iran innocent. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 12:20 - Jun 22 with 1457 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| WW3 on its way on 11:35 - Jun 22 by joe90 |
I don’t think Iran will end up like Iraq. Different people, different culture, very different regime. Targeted strikes should be enough to bring the regime to the table. They’re at their strongest when fighting indirectly, which they have been doing for years. They know they’ll lose a direct war. My feeling is they’ll come to the negotiation table pretty soon and we’ll see pause in hostility.
There isn’t the means for regime change from within the country, don’t be fooled by the street protests you see on the news. We might see the regime loosen up on certain things like some women’s rights, but it’ll always be just enough and never anything too radical.
My hope first and foremost is for the conflict to end and second to that, I hope the regime withdraws itself form Syria/Lebanon/Yemen/Iraq/Palestine, because this is what is causing the conflict. There’s no need for them to be involved. Leave the Arabs to sort themselves out. [Post edited 22 Jun 11:37]
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‘Targeted strikes should be enough to bring the regime to the table’
One of those strikes recently tried to kill Iran’s chief negotiator, and maybe did.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/iranian-media-claims-top-khamenei-a [Post edited 22 Jun 12:29]
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| WW3 on its way on 12:21 - Jun 22 with 1455 views | Maggsinho |
| WW3 on its way on 12:15 - Jun 22 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Not a single person has called Iran innocent. |
Ok, based on the line ‘clear who the aggressors are’, let’s not paint the Iranian regime as a non-aggressor. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 12:25 - Jun 22 with 1431 views | numptydumpty |
Whatever the ways and wherefores and motivations of all nations, there is massive fault on both sides. For me, neither side is fighting to preserve the outer good.
Iran may well have been attributed to atrocities all around the region at a lower scale, but in response to stop this happening Israel and now America will now be committing worse than this on a much more heavier scale to the ordinary citizens of Tehran and the like.
So if we start obliterating just everyday people who would just prefer to live a quiet and peaceful existence, then having murdered many thousands of the oppositions everyday law abiding citizens, then we are in the right and can claim the moral high ground.
We stop you killing some of ours by absolutely annihilating most of yours , so we win and peace is restored. Sod the collateral damage though. There is never justification for killing innocent people when your so called aim is to stop the other side doing this. That action just escalates the killing to another level both ways, so in effect making things worse for all.
Negotiations, infiltration and the like much more effective, but hey no, we murder more innocents than you, and then we can take the moral high ground. We stop evil by producing multiple acts of our own engineered evil !!!
Really !!!
The insanity of war from all sides !!!! [Post edited 22 Jun 12:29]
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| WW3 on its way on 12:36 - Jun 22 with 1390 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| WW3 on its way on 12:21 - Jun 22 by Maggsinho |
Ok, based on the line ‘clear who the aggressors are’, let’s not paint the Iranian regime as a non-aggressor. |
Depends on your definition of aggressor I guess.
An aggressor for me is someone who starts wars.
This is the thing about US / NATO / Israel actions, it forces otherwise reasonable people to defend the worst. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:37]
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| WW3 on its way on 12:41 - Jun 22 with 1362 views | Jigsore |
the Western war machine trundles on, piled skulls cracking beneath it's tracks. more blood for the blood god, more glory to the weapons manufacturers. oh you didn't vote for this? they aren't even pretending to care now. terrorism charge if you sneeze on a BAE systems employee. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 12:54 - Jun 22 with 1296 views | colinallcars |
| WW3 on its way on 12:05 - Jun 22 by DannyPaddox |
Have you no sense of history? It was the Pilgrim Fathers who founded the extremist terror regime that exists to subjugate their own people and glorify their aims to utterly destroy other nations and religions. The Pigrim Fathers. From England. And they were mostly fookin northerners! |
I'm proud to be English…think of Magna Carta. Did she die in vain ? |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 13:01 - Jun 22 with 1257 views | Rsole |
What have the Persians ever done for us ?
Totally, Farsi-cal. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 13:05 - Jun 22 with 1242 views | HAYESBOY |
There is something else behind this. It is not about nuclear weapons.
The IAEA report that was released actually states that they are nowhere near the capability of forming a nuclear weapon. It does state that they have been obstructive to the inspectors and not fully co-operating. Not a reason to start bombing them.
Also the US intelligent services have stated publicly that Iran are nowhere near having nukes. Tulsi Gabbard stated this in a press conference just this week.
And has been mentioned several times, Israel and the US have been playing this game of they are close to nuclear weapons since 2005.
So much for no new wars. [Post edited 22 Jun 13:08]
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| WW3 on its way on 13:17 - Jun 22 with 1181 views | Sonic_Hoop |
Amazing how far some people will go to avoid a prison sentence. I thought inciting an insurrection couldn't be topped until the genocide. 3 countries, 2 led by religious zealots and one by a sociopath doesn't bode well. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 13:18 - Jun 22 with 1162 views | Gloucs_R |
As predicted by certain "conspiracy theorists. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 13:31 - Jun 22 with 1112 views | PinnerR |
| WW3 on its way on 12:54 - Jun 22 by colinallcars |
I'm proud to be English…think of Magna Carta. Did she die in vain ? |
Brave Hungarian peasant girl who forced King John to sign the pledge and close the boozers at half past ten. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 13:38 - Jun 22 with 1065 views | Watford_Ranger |
On the contrary I’d say the actions overnight are the beginning of the end of this round of war rather than the start of anything. Probably not a popular view from what I’ve skimmed through of the thread so far but the world is a marginally safer place than this time yesterday IMO. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 13:49 - Jun 22 with 1028 views | charmr |
Only one way to settle all the shenanigans.
Let’s have a POLL. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 13:49 - Jun 22 with 1028 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| WW3 on its way on 08:41 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I don't normally get involved in political threads, but this one I will....
For nearly 50 years Iran has caused mayhem around the Middle East. Arming and controlling proxy armies with the stated aim of destroying Israel (and killing numerous British soldiers over the years).
The AEA 2 weeks ago reported Iran was breaking the agreements in place and then Iran declared it was speeding up and expanding enrichment. It admitted it, the first time in decades that it has told the truth. That was the trigger for Israel.
It is an authoritarian regime that has murdered its own people over decades and exported death. They are reaping what they sowed.
Notice the near silence from Russia, N Korea and China. Its deafening. |
Near silence? Russia called the US strikes irresponsible" and a "gross violation of international law" and China says the bombing of the Iranian facilities violates the UN Charter and its principles. Both countries are calling for a ceasefire from Israel & the USA. | | | |
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