| WW3 on its way 06:45 - Jun 22 with 13374 views | loftboy |
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| WW3 on its way on 18:17 - Jun 22 with 2350 views | joe90 |
As the token ‘Anglo/Iranian’ on this thread, I have found the comments very interesting!
A good range of views, and people taking the time to research. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 18:23 - Jun 22 with 2318 views | johncharles |
| WW3 on its way on 16:56 - Jun 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Good to know you regard Israel's genocidal destruction of the Palestinians as a mere 'sideshow' on the world stage! Perhaps if it was your race that was being exterminated with the complicity of the so-called human rights-extolling European states you'd be singing a different tune! |
But who to believe. Trump is a convicted felon and a serial liar. Iran say that the damage has been exaggerated and the facilities will soon be up and running in a few weeks. We’ve all seen the pictures on the tv but they are American pictures. Russia, China and closer to home Pakistan have had a chance to monitor the stealth bombers.
This whole thing is an Israeli land grab, no more no less, they want Gaza no matter the human cost. Iran stands in their way so fermenting a confrontation between the USA and Iran is just what’s happening. Start a 3rd world war ? Israel don’t care. Their greed is overwhelming. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 18:42 - Jun 22 with 2242 views | BostonR |
| WW3 on its way on 17:33 - Jun 22 by Landshark |
I read this today in relation to the history of Iran and why they might be "causing mayhem"
"In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who committed what, in the eyes of the British Empire and the United States, was an unforgivable sin: he nationalized Iran’s oil industry.
For decades, British Petroleum (then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) had extracted Iran’s wealth, leaving the Iranian people with little to show for it. Mossadegh’s move was a bid for sovereignty, dignity, and the right of a nation to control its own resources. The response from the so-called “free world” was swift and brutal: a joint CIA-MI6 operation, code-named Operation Ajax, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Mossadegh, using black propaganda, bribed politicians, manufactured riots, and false flag attacks to create chaos and justify intervention. Hundreds died in the streets of Tehran as the Shah—an autocratic monarch—was reinstalled with American and British backing.
This single act of imperial violence shattered Iran’s democracy and set the stage for everything that followed: decades of dictatorship under the authoritarian Shah, the rise of the secret police (trained and armed by the CIA), the deepening of anti-Western sentiment, and ultimately the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It’s not a stretch to say that the roots of today’s tensions, the cycles of violence, and the specter of war all trace back to this original sin. The aftershocks of that coup are still being felt, not only in Iran, but across the entire Middle East.
Yet, in the American imagination, history often starts with the hostage crisis, or with the latest missile launch, or with the rhetoric of “rogue states.” We’re taught to see Iran as an irrational enemy, a threat to “our” interests, never as a nation whose modern history was violently derailed by foreign powers seeking oil and geopolitical dominance. The coup became a blueprint for U.S. and British interventions around the world, fueling a legacy of distrust, blowback, and endless war.
This is not ancient history. The U.S. government only formally admitted its role in the coup in 2013, after decades of denial and the destruction of key documents. The British government’s involvement was only acknowledged even more recently. The details are staggering: CIA operatives posing as communists bombing mosques to stir up religious opposition, paying mobsters to riot in the streets, and bribing editors to print fake news-long before “fake news” became a household phrase.
So when Americans beat the drums of war with Iran, or wonder aloud “why do they hate us?”, we have to reckon with the fact that the U.S. and U.K. destroyed Iran’s best chance at democracy for the sake of oil profits and imperial power.
Imagine if a foreign power overthrew your government, installed a dictator, and then lectured you for decades about freedom and democracy. Imagine if, every time you tried to chart your own course, you were met with sanctions, threats, and military intervention.
The story of Iran is not unique. It’s a microcosm of the broader pattern of Western interventionism: democracy is celebrated only when it aligns with the interests of empire. When democracy threatens those interests—when a nation dares to control its own resources, or refuses to play by the rules of the global order—it is crushed, and the consequences are borne by ordinary people for generations.
This is not about excusing the crimes or authoritarianism of the Iranian regime. It’s about understanding the context that gave rise to it, and the role that Western powers played in destroying the possibility of a different, more peaceful future. It’s about recognizing that the seeds of today’s conflicts were planted by yesterday’s coups, sanctions, and covert operations.
If we truly want peace, if we want to avoid another catastrophic war, the first step is honesty. We have to confront our own history, acknowledge the violence committed in our name, and reject the amnesia that allows us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until we do, every new crisis will be haunted by the ghosts of 1953—and the world will continue to pay the price for our refusal to learn from the past.
- Tim Hjersted | Films For Action" |
Brilliant and accurate post.
Worth watching the Netflix documentary series - Turning Point - The Bomb and the Cold War. The undermining and overthrowing of Iranian democracy by the US and U.K. covered in brilliant detail. |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 18:55 - Jun 22 with 2186 views | GosportHoops |
I just send my love and prayers to all the poor children and all people of good will in that region who are being bombed, I don't know the ins and outs something about isreal and people who like it makes my skin crawl something about mad Muslims throwing people in nick for not dressing how they see fit turns my stomach, its all a load of bollocks I just hate to think of children frightened |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 18:59 - Jun 22 with 2167 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| WW3 on its way on 16:56 - Jun 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Good to know you regard Israel's genocidal destruction of the Palestinians as a mere 'sideshow' on the world stage! Perhaps if it was your race that was being exterminated with the complicity of the so-called human rights-extolling European states you'd be singing a different tune! |
Unfortunately it is a side show, just as wars in South America, South East Asia and Africa in the 70s and 80s were side shows during the first Cold War.
This action, along with the wars in Gaza and Ukraine, will have zero influence on the outcome between the coming showdown between China and US.
I'm no fan of Trump, but this is actually the first thing in US foreign policy that makes sense in years if not decades.
As the German Chancellor said 'Israel is doing the world's dirty work.' |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 19:12 - Jun 22 with 2111 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| WW3 on its way on 17:26 - Jun 22 by RichardKeoghFanBoy |
“Trendy”. Appalling comment.
Just because you lack the ability to empathise with tens of thousands of innocent people being bombed out of their homes doesn’t mean everyone who does care do so because it’s trendy. |
Interesting topic for a first ever post.
Favourite cheese? |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 19:22 - Jun 22 with 2066 views | Gus_iom |
| WW3 on its way on 17:26 - Jun 22 by RichardKeoghFanBoy |
“Trendy”. Appalling comment.
Just because you lack the ability to empathise with tens of thousands of innocent people being bombed out of their homes doesn’t mean everyone who does care do so because it’s trendy. |
Down voted by mistake, which doesn't mean I agree with you. | |
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| WW3 on its way on 19:48 - Jun 22 with 1964 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| WW3 on its way on 18:59 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Unfortunately it is a side show, just as wars in South America, South East Asia and Africa in the 70s and 80s were side shows during the first Cold War.
This action, along with the wars in Gaza and Ukraine, will have zero influence on the outcome between the coming showdown between China and US.
I'm no fan of Trump, but this is actually the first thing in US foreign policy that makes sense in years if not decades.
As the German Chancellor said 'Israel is doing the world's dirty work.' |
Ah, Germany. A country still trying to whitewash its past crimes and happy to do it at the cost of thousands of Arab lives.
The reality is much closer to the West aiding Israel in their religious war against Arabs. They're not humans after all.
Menachem Begin "Palestinians are “beasts walking on two legs” , Dahan’s “Palestinians are like animals, they aren’t human”, Israeli Defence Minister, Yoav Gallant, the man responsible for translating Israel’s declaration of war into an action plan: “We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly,”
Like the Iranian government, the Israeli government views civilians as legitimate targets.
Israeli President, Isaac Herzog, the “rhetoric about civilians not (being) involved (is) absolutely not true.” They are legitimate targets, simply because they “could’ve risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime” |  | | |
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| WW3 on its way on 19:51 - Jun 22 with 1944 views | Superhoops2808 |
Sorry Loft Boy
But what possessed you to start this thread - Its only gonna go one way  |  | | |
| WW3 on its way on 19:51 - Jun 22 with 1941 views | BostonR |
| WW3 on its way on 18:59 - Jun 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Unfortunately it is a side show, just as wars in South America, South East Asia and Africa in the 70s and 80s were side shows during the first Cold War.
This action, along with the wars in Gaza and Ukraine, will have zero influence on the outcome between the coming showdown between China and US.
I'm no fan of Trump, but this is actually the first thing in US foreign policy that makes sense in years if not decades.
As the German Chancellor said 'Israel is doing the world's dirty work.' |
The Chinese are patient-Taiwan can wait.
The Chinese have all the main technology and a huge build up of their military. Difficult for the US to wrestle back control of all the industrial manufacturing it outsourced to the Chinese over the past 30yrs. They literally handed over their tech IP.
The only ingredient the Chinese lack is actual military engagement with an adversary either by proxy or head-on. They’ve will have learnt from the mistakes of the US and Russia in their foreign wars where they have failed miserably. Iran must be an enormous opportunity for the Chinese.
Name me one major US foreign policy mission that has worked since the 1960’s? | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 19:57 - Jun 22 with 1927 views | loftboy |
| WW3 on its way on 19:51 - Jun 22 by Superhoops2808 |
Sorry Loft Boy
But what possessed you to start this thread - Its only gonna go one way |
Got up early for work this morning, turned the news on and thought “fúcking hell”.
Needed to air my feelings somewhere! | |
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| WW3 on its way on 19:59 - Jun 22 with 1920 views | PunteR |
Pretty conclusive evidence its genocide.
Its disgusting and should stop. Anyone who thinks Israel are justified in taking this action needs to give themselves a slap around the face.
Its barbaric, inhuman and pure satanic evil.
Stop the world, i want to get off. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 20:15 - Jun 22 with 1871 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| WW3 on its way on 18:17 - Jun 22 by joe90 |
As the token ‘Anglo/Iranian’ on this thread, I have found the comments very interesting!
A good range of views, and people taking the time to research. |
Sorry Joseph, but the last thing this thread needs is an actual Iranian providing insight. Resolving issues in the region is best left to those of us who, frankly, know what's best for you chaps.
Now, if we need your help, we know where you are. Until then, keep your nose out of our meddling!
Hope your peeps are safe and out of harms way. Former Iranian colleague of mine is very worried about his mum, sister, and her family back in the Big T. As per, always those who don't cause the world's problems who face the costs of the ignorance of others. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 20:34 - Jun 22 with 1801 views | Gloucs_R |
| WW3 on its way on 19:51 - Jun 22 by BostonR |
The Chinese are patient-Taiwan can wait.
The Chinese have all the main technology and a huge build up of their military. Difficult for the US to wrestle back control of all the industrial manufacturing it outsourced to the Chinese over the past 30yrs. They literally handed over their tech IP.
The only ingredient the Chinese lack is actual military engagement with an adversary either by proxy or head-on. They’ve will have learnt from the mistakes of the US and Russia in their foreign wars where they have failed miserably. Iran must be an enormous opportunity for the Chinese.
Name me one major US foreign policy mission that has worked since the 1960’s? |
Also read that China can't afford a war which leads to the loss of male lives.
Population already in decline and one child policy hurt them badly.
However, they are in it for the long term and we are so walking towards a similar outcome. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 20:53 - Jun 22 with 1707 views | CiderwithRsie |
| WW3 on its way on 19:57 - Jun 22 by loftboy |
Got up early for work this morning, turned the news on and thought “fúcking hell”.
Needed to air my feelings somewhere! |
I remember being shocked when the Russian tanks actually rolled over the Ukrainian frontier in February 2022; and being horrified by the October 7th massacre in Israel
I'm slightly ashamed to say that this time out it feels like just more of the same old sh*te.
To quote Prof Timothy Snyder on this news: "Wars are easy to start and hard to stop." You'd think that people who get to be in charge of countries might have noticed. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 21:07 - Jun 22 with 1655 views | The_Beast1976 |
First and foremost, Israel should be stopped.....but it won't be because the UK, US etc seem to consider it.more important than anything else (and I'm unsure why that is, other than £££ and $$$ being put into the UK and US economies by certain people with connections to and interests in Israel (money which would be pulled out if the UK and/or US dared to act against the interests of these people)).
One thing is for sure though, the interests of the 'normal' people just going about their lives anywhere in the world is not of the least bit of concern to the people causing all this carnage around the middle east [Post edited 22 Jun 21:35]
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| WW3 on its way on 21:16 - Jun 22 with 1616 views | bosh67 |
Watching the UN Security Council emergency meeting and the Russian speech has probably driven as bigger wedge between Russia and the US as I've seen recently. I have to say their concerns that the US attacks on nuclear facilities causing global environmental issues was laughable considering their attacks on nuclear facilities in Ukraine. On the plus side it may force the US government to be less in bed with the Russians. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 22:21 - Jun 22 with 1467 views | numptydumpty |
| WW3 on its way on 18:14 - Jun 22 by Landshark |
What are you expecting on a thread titled "WW3 on its way"? The signing of a new 30 goal a season star striker called WW3? |
Now if we signed a new 30 goal a season star, then a small nuclear fall out between a few maniacal despots, crikey that's a tough choice....
I cannot possibly say what my answer would be !!!!!!!!! |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 22:28 - Jun 22 with 1437 views | HAYESBOY |
If Iran attack any US bases or US citizens in retaliation, which they have stated they will, this will escalate very quickly. Trump will respond. |  |
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| WW3 on its way on 23:11 - Jun 22 with 1353 views | Juzzie |
| WW3 on its way on 11:51 - Jun 22 by connell10 |
I thought Trump said he would end American involvement in wars , it was part of his election ticket ! Some in MAGA ain't gonna be happy , could be WW3 within the Republican party! |
Funny isn’t it. Never turns down any opportunity to tell anyone and everyone how the war in Ukraine would never have started (yeah, right) if he was in office and it was all Byyyyden’s fault (Putin? No?) and how he’s against war (which, of course, is not a bad thing, if you actually mean it) and he here goes…… boom.
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| WW3 on its way on 23:15 - Jun 22 with 1340 views | joe90 |
| WW3 on its way on 20:15 - Jun 22 by PlanetHonneywood |
Sorry Joseph, but the last thing this thread needs is an actual Iranian providing insight. Resolving issues in the region is best left to those of us who, frankly, know what's best for you chaps.
Now, if we need your help, we know where you are. Until then, keep your nose out of our meddling!
Hope your peeps are safe and out of harms way. Former Iranian colleague of mine is very worried about his mum, sister, and her family back in the Big T. As per, always those who don't cause the world's problems who face the costs of the ignorance of others. |
Haha, thanks PH.
Thankfully, my family are okay. Most of them are out of the country and my Dad hasn’t mentioned anything so I assume all is well.
I have my views/opinions on the conflict, but there’s a lot I don’t know and the older I get, the less certain I am about the things I once was. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 04:52 - Jun 23 with 1148 views | numptydumpty |
| WW3 on its way on 23:15 - Jun 22 by joe90 |
Haha, thanks PH.
Thankfully, my family are okay. Most of them are out of the country and my Dad hasn’t mentioned anything so I assume all is well.
I have my views/opinions on the conflict, but there’s a lot I don’t know and the older I get, the less certain I am about the things I once was. |
Am glad, it seems your family are safe Joe.
I do know an Iranian woman through my work and when I asked her once about the dangers of living in Iran, she said she lived in the country away from the cities and she had never experienced any dangers, all the time she lived there.
Certainly a different view, I had from seeing all media coverage of the region through decades of news broadcasts in this country. | |
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| WW3 on its way on 05:28 - Jun 23 with 1109 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| WW3 on its way on 20:34 - Jun 22 by Gloucs_R |
Also read that China can't afford a war which leads to the loss of male lives.
Population already in decline and one child policy hurt them badly.
However, they are in it for the long term and we are so walking towards a similar outcome. |
Interesting, are you able to cite the source?
There's the 'official' population figures, and then there's the 'unofficial' figures. I was travelling there 15 years ago and got talking to a European woman working for an NGO educating 'unofficial' children.
Her NGO estimated as many as 400 million Chinese were born outside of the OCP. That's the population of the US if true.
Back then, it would make their 'unofficial' population around 1.7 billion. Come war, you bet unregistered persons would be regularised. Subject to what you read and as horrible as it sounds, I wonder if they could lose a few million and not blink.
Given the fact that males are preferred and female infanticide exists, I'd suggest losing males isn't as challenging for them as losing females. | |
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| WW3 on its way on 08:46 - Jun 23 with 874 views | sparkey |
Always interesting to see which US politician is very pro-Israel & then see how much AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) has lobbied for them.
Coincidence I am sure. | | | |
| WW3 on its way on 09:17 - Jun 23 with 799 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| WW3 on its way on 22:28 - Jun 22 by HAYESBOY |
If Iran attack any US bases or US citizens in retaliation, which they have stated they will, this will escalate very quickly. Trump will respond. |
Which is what both the US and Israel want.
Netanyahu said back in 2000 that he wanted to see regime change in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan and Somalia. In meetings with Congress this plan was discussed
In "A Time to Lead: For Duty, Honor and Country," published by Palgrave Macmillan last month, the former four-star general recalls two visits to the Pentagon following the terrorist attacks of September 2001. On the first visit, less than two weeks after Sept. 11, he writes, a "senior general" told him, "We're going to attack Iraq. The decision has basically been made."
Six weeks later, Clark returned to Washington to see the same general and inquired whether the plan to strike Iraq was still under consideration. The general's response was stunning:
"'Oh, it's worse than that,' he said, holding up a memo on his desk. 'Here's the paper from the Office of the Secretary of Defense [then Donald Rumsfeld] outlining the strategy. We're going to take out seven countries in five years.'
What did Netanyahu cite in 2002 as a compelling justification for attacking Iraq?
"There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu said in 2002 testimony to Congress. “Once Saddam has nuclear weapons, the terror network will have nuclear weapons,”
Of course, we know that was a lie. We also know that the largest global terrorist network over the last 100 years is the USA & Israel, being responsible both covertly and overtly for regime change in at least 14 countries and interfering in countless more, including in the democratic process in the UK. | | | |
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