| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) 16:02 - Jun 26 with 8478 views | sdm1508 |
Sorry about that, my initial post only did the title. Anyway, 23 year old centre back signed from Reading [Post edited 26 Jun 16:06]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:47 - Jun 26 with 1999 views | FDC |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:54 - Jun 26 by BklynRanger |
2 thoughts on that:
- His celebration run is faster than most of our player's actual run
- His final two words could be a handy gif during the season |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:51 - Jun 26 with 1966 views | Hayesender |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:27 - Jun 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Great signing it seems.
Who is on the way out though? JCS? |
Gotta be Morgan Fox |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:04 - Jun 26 with 1861 views | Tonto |
Agree the next out will be Fox.
More interesting though will.be who starts out of Dunne, Cook, Mbengue, Morrison and JCS.
I acknowledge that Dunne can go RB of course |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:06 - Jun 26 with 1855 views | dmm |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:51 - Jun 26 by Hayesender |
Gotta be Morgan Fox |
He's certainly bottom of the CB pecking order. However, JCS, Cook and Morrison can all pick up an injury so if his wages are low it might be worth keeping Fox on for another season just in case. |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:14 - Jun 26 with 1796 views | Beans |
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:19 - Jun 26 with 1756 views | aston_hoop |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:14 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. |
Its still the same squad who played against Burnley but without Edwards and Paal but with Mbengue. Squad is miles off it at the moment. No senior left back, lack of depth in midfield, no goalscorers and lacking genuine pace. But its early, so let's see. Nourry and Belk are going to have to get a lot right |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:22 - Jun 26 with 1717 views | BklynRanger |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:14 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. |
You've auto-sent that at least a week too early |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:46 - Jun 26 with 1528 views | davman |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:14 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. |
One measure of how well Nourry is doing and that is where the first team finishes in the league. Everything else is fluff and noise.
Try waiting to see where the team finishes before creaming your nuts over the CEO.
Jury is out. Wall want him to succeed, but he is a long way from confirming that as things stand... |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:47 - Jun 26 with 1522 views | Tonto |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:19 - Jun 26 by aston_hoop |
Its still the same squad who played against Burnley but without Edwards and Paal but with Mbengue. Squad is miles off it at the moment. No senior left back, lack of depth in midfield, no goalscorers and lacking genuine pace. But its early, so let's see. Nourry and Belk are going to have to get a lot right |
So also the squad that finished comfortably mid table? I agree there is more to do but hand picking one bad result is a bit of a falcious argument. The texas sharpshooter fallcy in fact. | |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:49 - Jun 26 with 1498 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:46 - Jun 26 by davman |
One measure of how well Nourry is doing and that is where the first team finishes in the league. Everything else is fluff and noise.
Try waiting to see where the team finishes before creaming your nuts over the CEO.
Jury is out. Wall want him to succeed, but he is a long way from confirming that as things stand... |
Thank you for proving my point about it being a harder job to make the arguments against Nourry
I made a direct reference to the Watford game of two opening games ago.
You chose to pick the injury smashed squad against Burnley and referenced only Paal and Edward's missing. Skipped Ashby though (strange that)
The line up against Watford that Hoos and Ferdinand gave us was
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Gubbins, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth (Duke-McKenna 45'), Kelman (Armstrong 45'), Chair, Dykes
Lets wait and see if one and a half years of Nourry turns us out a better side than the ten years of Hoos and Ferdinand managed to churn out vs Watford | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:52 - Jun 26 with 1491 views | Match82 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:14 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. |
Not sure it changes the balance of the Nourry argument does it? I think there's broad agreement (maybe not!) that the players he had brought in, judged individually, he's batting above average. That's a huge plus. And on the surface this is another tick in that column.
The arguments against him have been:
- Do the transfers, looked at as a whole rather than individual parts make sense ( this helps with that a bit, but generally we still have a very unbalanced squad)
- Communication is appalling and frustrating
- He's taken an asset in Marti Cifuentes (whether you see that as someone you want to keep or someone that we could get a fee for) and turned that into a situation where we are paying him to leave |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:53 - Jun 26 with 1480 views | aston_hoop |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:49 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Thank you for proving my point about it being a harder job to make the arguments against Nourry
I made a direct reference to the Watford game of two opening games ago.
You chose to pick the injury smashed squad against Burnley and referenced only Paal and Edward's missing. Skipped Ashby though (strange that)
The line up against Watford that Hoos and Ferdinand gave us was
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Gubbins, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth (Duke-McKenna 45'), Kelman (Armstrong 45'), Chair, Dykes
Lets wait and see if one and a half years of Nourry turns us out a better side than the ten years of Hoos and Ferdinand managed to churn out vs Watford |
Happy to wait and see đ | |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:56 - Jun 26 with 1443 views | BklynRanger |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:49 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Thank you for proving my point about it being a harder job to make the arguments against Nourry
I made a direct reference to the Watford game of two opening games ago.
You chose to pick the injury smashed squad against Burnley and referenced only Paal and Edward's missing. Skipped Ashby though (strange that)
The line up against Watford that Hoos and Ferdinand gave us was
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Gubbins, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth (Duke-McKenna 45'), Kelman (Armstrong 45'), Chair, Dykes
Lets wait and see if one and a half years of Nourry turns us out a better side than the ten years of Hoos and Ferdinand managed to churn out vs Watford |
Aaaaand another thread hijacked by this utter, utter, vvank.
You're not a QPR fan, you're a Nourry fan, for whatever reason.
Since that's obviously the case why not keep your Nourry-points to those threads and let those of us with an interest in what we'll actually be watching well alone.
Goodbye anyway. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:00 - Jun 26 with 1423 views | GosportHoops |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:54 - Jun 26 by BklynRanger |
2 thoughts on that:
- His celebration run is faster than most of our player's actual run
- His final two words could be a handy gif during the season |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:05 - Jun 26 with 1395 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:56 - Jun 26 by BklynRanger |
Aaaaand another thread hijacked by this utter, utter, vvank.
You're not a QPR fan, you're a Nourry fan, for whatever reason.
Since that's obviously the case why not keep your Nourry-points to those threads and let those of us with an interest in what we'll actually be watching well alone.
Goodbye anyway. |
You are only triggered because I made a fair point in that the team that 10 years of evil Les and Hoos turned out vs Watford on the opening game in 2023 is miles and miles worse than the team Nourry has put together in one and a half years to play Preston in 6 weeks or so.
To say Iâm not a QPR fan is immature at best | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:10 - Jun 26 with 1383 views | derbyhoop |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:19 - Jun 26 by aston_hoop |
Its still the same squad who played against Burnley but without Edwards and Paal but with Mbengue. Squad is miles off it at the moment. No senior left back, lack of depth in midfield, no goalscorers and lacking genuine pace. But its early, so let's see. Nourry and Belk are going to have to get a lot right |
I don't get the panic about LBs.
Larkeche is only 23 and, although he's been a back up so far, he had a successful loan at Dundee. Add Esquerdinha, who seems to be a real talent. This season may be too early but definitely 1 for the future. Are those 2 adequate replacements for Paal? Given that there was little attempt to keep him.
I was always more worried about RB and CB. Dunne's re-signed and, tonight
Mbengue. If Adamson comes, he'll be backup RB. At a push, you could also use JCS as a LB. |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:14 - Jun 26 with 1371 views | Hayesender |
No sign of Fox or Colback in the just back photos | |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:15 - Jun 26 with 1370 views | QPRSam |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:10 - Jun 26 by derbyhoop |
I don't get the panic about LBs.
Larkeche is only 23 and, although he's been a back up so far, he had a successful loan at Dundee. Add Esquerdinha, who seems to be a real talent. This season may be too early but definitely 1 for the future. Are those 2 adequate replacements for Paal? Given that there was little attempt to keep him.
I was always more worried about RB and CB. Dunne's re-signed and, tonight
Mbengue. If Adamson comes, he'll be backup RB. At a push, you could also use JCS as a LB. |
Larkeche will be like a new addition but yet to see if he can make the starting LB spot his own. Looking forward to seeing Esquerdinha who has a very promising future.
I think what you've forgotten though is that we've lost Ashby and potentially Fox and Colback too. All of these covered at LB during various parts of the season.
I think we should be looking at a senior starting LB with Larkeche and Esquerdinha competing. Greg Taylor would've been great and was linked before but he's just agreed a deal with PAOK [Post edited 26 Jun 19:16]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:01 - Jun 26 with 1219 views | loftupper |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:05 - Jun 26 by Beans |
You are only triggered because I made a fair point in that the team that 10 years of evil Les and Hoos turned out vs Watford on the opening game in 2023 is miles and miles worse than the team Nourry has put together in one and a half years to play Preston in 6 weeks or so.
To say Iâm not a QPR fan is immature at best |
I actually agree with most of what you say regarding Nourry, he is coming across as quite impressive. Certainly the Bould appointment was a good surprise.
But, its a tad unfair to sum up the Ferdinand era with the team that turned out against Watford two years ago. I would argue that both Ferdinand and Hoos guided the club through some tough times with interfering owners grabbing the wheel whenever they felt like it.
Anyway, Mbengue looks a great signing. Couple more in this vein and we should be in reasonable shape. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:04 - Jun 26 with 1203 views | TK1 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:05 - Jun 26 by Beans |
You are only triggered because I made a fair point in that the team that 10 years of evil Les and Hoos turned out vs Watford on the opening game in 2023 is miles and miles worse than the team Nourry has put together in one and a half years to play Preston in 6 weeks or so.
To say Iâm not a QPR fan is immature at best |
All good knockabout fun and you're obviously a troll, but I'll bite. That Watford team away under Ainsworth: that wasn't LF's work. Ferdinand had already told the board he was done as soon as they hired Ainsworth against his judgement (as was Amit when it backfired). At that Watford game there were replacements hovering for LF's job, but the board had chosen to run an audit before appointing, hence your paramour then arriving on the scene and securing the role himself.
The team Les (and anyone who calls him Evil Les may as well get cnt tattooed on their forehead) put together for/with Warburton in his final two seasons, as well as the Beale squad, that was his work. Some really good runs, some terrible defeats, but we started 2022 with promotion a stated aim having run very hot to come 9th the season before and we looked ok for a play-off until the collapse from late Feb onwards. Still came 11th. And still would school this current squad for the time being.
For the record, I like the coaching appointments of this summer. I like the sound of these signings. Like most summers, I'm really excited and optimistic. But let's see. As pointed out earlier, all will be revealed at the end of the season. Save the victory parade until then, 'Beans'. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:26 - Jun 26 with 1110 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:04 - Jun 26 by TK1 |
All good knockabout fun and you're obviously a troll, but I'll bite. That Watford team away under Ainsworth: that wasn't LF's work. Ferdinand had already told the board he was done as soon as they hired Ainsworth against his judgement (as was Amit when it backfired). At that Watford game there were replacements hovering for LF's job, but the board had chosen to run an audit before appointing, hence your paramour then arriving on the scene and securing the role himself.
The team Les (and anyone who calls him Evil Les may as well get cnt tattooed on their forehead) put together for/with Warburton in his final two seasons, as well as the Beale squad, that was his work. Some really good runs, some terrible defeats, but we started 2022 with promotion a stated aim having run very hot to come 9th the season before and we looked ok for a play-off until the collapse from late Feb onwards. Still came 11th. And still would school this current squad for the time being.
For the record, I like the coaching appointments of this summer. I like the sound of these signings. Like most summers, I'm really excited and optimistic. But let's see. As pointed out earlier, all will be revealed at the end of the season. Save the victory parade until then, 'Beans'. |
How can you call me a troll when you say that wasnât Lesâ squad. Les left 6 months in Feb 2023. The Watford game was August 2023. We were just over one month into the first transfer window after his decade in charge at the club. With majority of that time him working with a far bigger budget than we have now. To try and rewrite history to say it wasnât Les and Hoos squad is just not credible.
And the evil Les was obviously a tongue in cheek reference so no need for the dramatic insult because youâre losing a debate
The arguments against Nourry were always weak at best and they are being proved so, and being happy about our CEO proving himself asbeing good at his job is obviously a good thing and something a fan of this club should be happy about and anyone can that doesnât see that or gets triggered by him doing well may as well have cnt tattooed across their forehead | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:44 - Jun 26 with 1027 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:49 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Thank you for proving my point about it being a harder job to make the arguments against Nourry
I made a direct reference to the Watford game of two opening games ago.
You chose to pick the injury smashed squad against Burnley and referenced only Paal and Edward's missing. Skipped Ashby though (strange that)
The line up against Watford that Hoos and Ferdinand gave us was
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Gubbins, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth (Duke-McKenna 45'), Kelman (Armstrong 45'), Chair, Dykes
Lets wait and see if one and a half years of Nourry turns us out a better side than the ten years of Hoos and Ferdinand managed to churn out vs Watford |
I agree with much of what you are saying, but looking at the Watford game in isolation is not really telling the whole story.
Next game we won 2-1 against Cardiff with a team, which looked a bit stronger, plus Colback had just signed.
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Cook, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth, Armstrong, Chair, Dykes
I think Nourry is doing some good work and we are looking more professional as a club. I also thought Les did a good job during a challenging period and not sure what point you are trying to make. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:54 - Jun 26 with 978 views | TK1 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:26 - Jun 26 by Beans |
How can you call me a troll when you say that wasnât Lesâ squad. Les left 6 months in Feb 2023. The Watford game was August 2023. We were just over one month into the first transfer window after his decade in charge at the club. With majority of that time him working with a far bigger budget than we have now. To try and rewrite history to say it wasnât Les and Hoos squad is just not credible.
And the evil Les was obviously a tongue in cheek reference so no need for the dramatic insult because youâre losing a debate
The arguments against Nourry were always weak at best and they are being proved so, and being happy about our CEO proving himself asbeing good at his job is obviously a good thing and something a fan of this club should be happy about and anyone can that doesnât see that or gets triggered by him doing well may as well have cnt tattooed across their forehead |
Beans: Les Ferdinand officially left the club in June 2023 (though he'd told the board he intended to leave in February - perhaps there was gardening leave).
The game you keep referencing was in August 2023 There was an entire window and preseason that was all Ainsworth and the board's work (with Retexo in the background). That was not his squad. He never underarmed a manager like that., as can be evidenced by every August he did oversee.
"majority of that time him working with a far bigger budget than we have now": this is how I know you're trolling. Please go back and look at the financial restrictions the club was under after relegation and the record ÂŁ42 million fine for FFP breaches triggered before LF and Hoos started. Read the historic Swiss Ramble reports. It's all there.
Nothing has been proved, Beans. We came 15th last season. It is June. Let's see. I am season ticket holder of 40 years and believe me nothing gives me more joy than a successful QPR season, so I hope very much indeed we have a great season. But that hasn't happened yet. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:10 - Jun 26 with 920 views | Stainrod |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:05 - Jun 26 by Beans |
You are only triggered because I made a fair point in that the team that 10 years of evil Les and Hoos turned out vs Watford on the opening game in 2023 is miles and miles worse than the team Nourry has put together in one and a half years to play Preston in 6 weeks or so.
To say Iâm not a QPR fan is immature at best |
Surely its for others to judge whether you made a fair point? In my judgement you made a partially fair one.
The team v Preston should be stronger than the abysmal one that opened against Watford a couple of years back.
But Nourry's first summer window coincided with the first year in the 3 yr FFP cycle whereas that Ferdinand one was at the end of a cycle when our budget was smaller than that of the Swiss navy.
Relative to spend, Madsen and Cellar must be two of the least successful signings we have made since Premier League days. Relative to the years they were here, Ferdinand/ Hoos didn't buy too many players at those prices (on huge long contracts). Last summer's window contained some good signings, but the lion's share of that budget was on Madsen and Cellar. That window was, for us, a huge opportunity with our biggest budget in years (and probably for two or three more years to come). I wouldn't quite say he blew it, but it should have been much, much better.
From vague memory we were injury ravaged for that opener at Watford so not an entirely accurate reflection. For balance, Nourry's squad had so many holes Marti had to play work experience lads like Morgan, Kolli, Lloyd, Bennie.
Nourry has done plenty right. And unlike most on here I really don't give a toss about the lack of tranparency; results and success are all that matter. But having to pay off a manager he had only recently renewed was a debacle, as have been his two biggest transfers. Maybe he is learning, but the record to date is probably best summed up as "mixed".
I leave others to decide whether this is a fair point. [Post edited 26 Jun 21:17]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:17 - Jun 26 with 879 views | Hunterhoop |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:49 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Thank you for proving my point about it being a harder job to make the arguments against Nourry
I made a direct reference to the Watford game of two opening games ago.
You chose to pick the injury smashed squad against Burnley and referenced only Paal and Edward's missing. Skipped Ashby though (strange that)
The line up against Watford that Hoos and Ferdinand gave us was
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Gubbins, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth (Duke-McKenna 45'), Kelman (Armstrong 45'), Chair, Dykes
Lets wait and see if one and a half years of Nourry turns us out a better side than the ten years of Hoos and Ferdinand managed to churn out vs Watford |
Not Ferdinand, tbf. He resigned before that summerâs recruitment as he didnât agree with the direction. It was Ainsworth at the helm, backed by Hoos (and Bhatia). And Nourry was already working behind the scenes to advise on recruitment. The club hired Ben Williams that summer, Nourryâs mate and his recommendation!
Why would Nourry not have been involved in that summerâs playing recruitment? Retexo were firmly advising and auditing the club at that point. He was appointed CEO 6 months later. Would be surprising if he hadnât had some input into those signings that summer⌠[Post edited 26 Jun 21:31]
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