| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) 16:02 - Jun 26 with 8477 views | sdm1508 |
Sorry about that, my initial post only did the title. Anyway, 23 year old centre back signed from Reading [Post edited 26 Jun 16:06]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 10:17 - Jun 27 with 1247 views | TheChef |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:14 - Jun 26 by Beans |
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 10:45 - Jun 27 with 1166 views | JimmyR |
Difficult to digest beans that come straight out with shite but keeps going and going…. Very strange alltogether! Atypical beans? Odd bean.
Anyway looks like a decent signing yay!!! But he’s not even played a single game yet
And we still need a left back (have done since forever) and someone with the knack of being in the right place at the right time to stick the ball in the net as I believe Jimmy had the most touches in the opposition box last season.
So I’m not sure by any measure you can consider that a success. In the same way madsen had a few okay games towards the end of the season I suppose we could try and get a striker that plays in defence but that’s all getting a bit silly now | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 10:45 - Jun 27 with 1166 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 10:17 - Jun 27 by TheChef |
Yay Christian is back! |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 13:02 - Jun 27 with 1053 views | LazyFan |
If this signing works out, it will be a clever one.
Essentially, it is the Fox equivalent on the right-hand side. Can play as a backup for Dunne and, at worst, a CB. A utility player.
The difference is he's way younger so, could still develop into a better player and will probably on cheaper wages than Fox (unless Fox signs a new lower contract).
This now covers us for Dunne as reserve RB, it also covers us if Morrison, Cook, JCS get injured as then Dunne can move across and Mbengue can come in at RB.
We now need to sign a LB (or go with the three raw options we have, Dale, Larkeche, Brasil Kid), a young DMC (to let Colback go and also as backup if we sell Varane for big monies) and of course the mythical number 9 as backup or ahead of Frey. If we have the luxury, another CB as well as Mbengue is untested at this level.
Hopefully, Eze gets sold and somehow Saints accept £4m for Edwards and he is crazy enough to take a wage cut ... meanwhile, back on planet Earth. |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 13:39 - Jun 27 with 982 views | numptydumpty |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 13:02 - Jun 27 by LazyFan |
If this signing works out, it will be a clever one.
Essentially, it is the Fox equivalent on the right-hand side. Can play as a backup for Dunne and, at worst, a CB. A utility player.
The difference is he's way younger so, could still develop into a better player and will probably on cheaper wages than Fox (unless Fox signs a new lower contract).
This now covers us for Dunne as reserve RB, it also covers us if Morrison, Cook, JCS get injured as then Dunne can move across and Mbengue can come in at RB.
We now need to sign a LB (or go with the three raw options we have, Dale, Larkeche, Brasil Kid), a young DMC (to let Colback go and also as backup if we sell Varane for big monies) and of course the mythical number 9 as backup or ahead of Frey. If we have the luxury, another CB as well as Mbengue is untested at this level.
Hopefully, Eze gets sold and somehow Saints accept £4m for Edwards and he is crazy enough to take a wage cut ... meanwhile, back on planet Earth. |
If Saints sell Edwards for £4 million, they would be certified insane !!! |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:36 - Jun 27 with 912 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 09:58 - Jun 27 by terryb |
Now you have returned, will you get round to replying to my post on the thread that you previously posted on?
I do agree that the squad is better than what we had at Watford two seasons ago, but it is much of an improvement on what was at the club when Nourry was appointed? The arrival of Cook & Colback certainly had improved us, but I concede that Nourry had arrived before Dunne was converted to right back. Our defence in the second half of that season was definitely better than what we showed last season. |
Apologies Terry for not responding directly. There was quite a few responses and some of them were considered and engaging in rational debate with a counter view like yours that I didn’t response to but wasn’t intentional in missing yours
I should though focus on reasoned responses like from you rather than from the keyboard warriors who resort to insults.
I personally do feel that yes we are improving our squad and our broader foundation. We are just starting out our third transfer window under Nourry versus Les’ 20 windows. In rejecting Varane’s offer of £5m that being a £4m(ish) profit on what we spent is already a bigger profit than Les and Hoos ever managed on any of the players they spent money on. In ten years they never had the chance to make a £4m profit on a player they paid cash for
And while Mbengue is probably not anticipated as one we expect to sell for any significant fee in future. He seems a good character (certainly better than the Joel Lynch types that Les spent £1m on). Plus Mbengue is fast and that fits with the stated strategy of wanting to be able to play a high defensive line
And what I also like about our signings recently is that we are taking more shots at finding a player we can sell on for decent money in future. I include the Dev Squad signings within that as it feels like we are making a bigger effort there, with the Esquerdinha signing and if true this South African defender who recently got AFCON player of the tournament. Then on top of that bringing in Steve Bould to give best chance to develop them
If Poku comes off, we tried with Dembele, Vale and Morrison too. All those players are attempts at putting ourselves in a position where one day we will get a proper transfer fee for a player of ours. It’s not about being a Nourry fan. Or getting every signing right. It’s that I care about our club doing well. I could go on with reasons but I am pleased with the steps being taken and like the direction we are going in. Think some got carried away this summer with their criticisms and some of which they went a bit early on and needed more patience for certain situations to played out
It’s still early days but I think we are on a good path (considering our budget) | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:51 - Jun 27 with 855 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Watched some of these Mbengue clips and there's a little of the Bobby Hazzells about him.
'Kin loved Bobby and his performance on 3 April 1982 still up there for me as one of the best by anyone in an Rs shirt. |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:37 - Jun 27 with 798 views | QPunkR |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:36 - Jun 27 by Beans |
Apologies Terry for not responding directly. There was quite a few responses and some of them were considered and engaging in rational debate with a counter view like yours that I didn’t response to but wasn’t intentional in missing yours
I should though focus on reasoned responses like from you rather than from the keyboard warriors who resort to insults.
I personally do feel that yes we are improving our squad and our broader foundation. We are just starting out our third transfer window under Nourry versus Les’ 20 windows. In rejecting Varane’s offer of £5m that being a £4m(ish) profit on what we spent is already a bigger profit than Les and Hoos ever managed on any of the players they spent money on. In ten years they never had the chance to make a £4m profit on a player they paid cash for
And while Mbengue is probably not anticipated as one we expect to sell for any significant fee in future. He seems a good character (certainly better than the Joel Lynch types that Les spent £1m on). Plus Mbengue is fast and that fits with the stated strategy of wanting to be able to play a high defensive line
And what I also like about our signings recently is that we are taking more shots at finding a player we can sell on for decent money in future. I include the Dev Squad signings within that as it feels like we are making a bigger effort there, with the Esquerdinha signing and if true this South African defender who recently got AFCON player of the tournament. Then on top of that bringing in Steve Bould to give best chance to develop them
If Poku comes off, we tried with Dembele, Vale and Morrison too. All those players are attempts at putting ourselves in a position where one day we will get a proper transfer fee for a player of ours. It’s not about being a Nourry fan. Or getting every signing right. It’s that I care about our club doing well. I could go on with reasons but I am pleased with the steps being taken and like the direction we are going in. Think some got carried away this summer with their criticisms and some of which they went a bit early on and needed more patience for certain situations to played out
It’s still early days but I think we are on a good path (considering our budget) |
I'm sorry - did we all collectively just dream Eze up? [Post edited 27 Jun 17:42]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:17 - Jun 27 with 726 views | PhilmyRs |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:37 - Jun 27 by QPunkR |
I'm sorry - did we all collectively just dream Eze up? [Post edited 27 Jun 17:42]
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I think he means players we paid money for - Eze was picked up for nought. That said, with Les it was often a problem of not managing up very well and not sticking to the plan. There were a number of signings which were clearly worth something and decent - BOS, Manning, Smithies, Freeman, Dickie, Dieng - to name a few but we didn’t sell at the right time and gave the Manager too much power. Some of the players were decent and we could have got money.
Using the Varane example, it would actually be better if we did sell and got something or hold onto him and get a bit more next year. However, there’s still a chance a Rob Dickie scenario plays out and we don’t get what he’s worth so a bit early to be standing on the horse just yet. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:46 - Jun 27 with 674 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:36 - Jun 27 by Beans |
Apologies Terry for not responding directly. There was quite a few responses and some of them were considered and engaging in rational debate with a counter view like yours that I didn’t response to but wasn’t intentional in missing yours
I should though focus on reasoned responses like from you rather than from the keyboard warriors who resort to insults.
I personally do feel that yes we are improving our squad and our broader foundation. We are just starting out our third transfer window under Nourry versus Les’ 20 windows. In rejecting Varane’s offer of £5m that being a £4m(ish) profit on what we spent is already a bigger profit than Les and Hoos ever managed on any of the players they spent money on. In ten years they never had the chance to make a £4m profit on a player they paid cash for
And while Mbengue is probably not anticipated as one we expect to sell for any significant fee in future. He seems a good character (certainly better than the Joel Lynch types that Les spent £1m on). Plus Mbengue is fast and that fits with the stated strategy of wanting to be able to play a high defensive line
And what I also like about our signings recently is that we are taking more shots at finding a player we can sell on for decent money in future. I include the Dev Squad signings within that as it feels like we are making a bigger effort there, with the Esquerdinha signing and if true this South African defender who recently got AFCON player of the tournament. Then on top of that bringing in Steve Bould to give best chance to develop them
If Poku comes off, we tried with Dembele, Vale and Morrison too. All those players are attempts at putting ourselves in a position where one day we will get a proper transfer fee for a player of ours. It’s not about being a Nourry fan. Or getting every signing right. It’s that I care about our club doing well. I could go on with reasons but I am pleased with the steps being taken and like the direction we are going in. Think some got carried away this summer with their criticisms and some of which they went a bit early on and needed more patience for certain situations to played out
It’s still early days but I think we are on a good path (considering our budget) |
It’s no good making 4m on Varane, but spunking 6m on Madsen and Celar - who let’s face it are largely dead money.
Overall, it’s a 2m net LOSS.
That is not a successful DOF strategy at all. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:59 - Jun 27 with 626 views | JamesB1979 |
Anyway….I think this is exactly type of a player we should be signing. Back to the 80s and 90s…pick up the best young players from leagues below and develop them. To be honest I know little about the player but others who know more (Dave Mc) seem to rate him highly as do Reading fans. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:07 - Jun 27 with 610 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:51 - Jun 27 by PlanetHonneywood |
Watched some of these Mbengue clips and there's a little of the Bobby Hazzells about him.
'Kin loved Bobby and his performance on 3 April 1982 still up there for me as one of the best by anyone in an Rs shirt. |
Meh. He was so so. [Post edited 27 Jun 19:08]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:13 - Jun 27 with 593 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:46 - Jun 27 by 1JD |
It’s no good making 4m on Varane, but spunking 6m on Madsen and Celar - who let’s face it are largely dead money.
Overall, it’s a 2m net LOSS.
That is not a successful DOF strategy at all. |
If Madsen and Celar both stay for 4/5 years how is that dead money?
I remember us spending a fairly large (at the time) fee on a certain Simon Barker. He got absolute dogs abuse 1st season, but it didn't turn out too bad in the end. 10 years service.
I think everyone needs to take a step back regarding Nourry. Some signings will work, some won't, but at least we are now doing the right thing now. | |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:20 - Jun 27 with 575 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:13 - Jun 27 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
If Madsen and Celar both stay for 4/5 years how is that dead money?
I remember us spending a fairly large (at the time) fee on a certain Simon Barker. He got absolute dogs abuse 1st season, but it didn't turn out too bad in the end. 10 years service.
I think everyone needs to take a step back regarding Nourry. Some signings will work, some won't, but at least we are now doing the right thing now. |
Money is invested by the owners for a return. That is a key part of the stated strategy. To be sustainable through a player trading model. And that is Nourry sold the owners on and is trying to deliver on.
So, it’s absolutely not ok to flop with big money marquee signings. That is acceptable for low risk free transfers or dev squad signings. But not acceptable for big money transfers.
Of course some will work some will not. But the difference between a successful DOF and a poor to average one is getting most of those right, and more specifically, getting the big money signings right.
Not off to a good start. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:15 - Jun 27 with 481 views | JamesB1979 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:20 - Jun 27 by 1JD |
Money is invested by the owners for a return. That is a key part of the stated strategy. To be sustainable through a player trading model. And that is Nourry sold the owners on and is trying to deliver on.
So, it’s absolutely not ok to flop with big money marquee signings. That is acceptable for low risk free transfers or dev squad signings. But not acceptable for big money transfers.
Of course some will work some will not. But the difference between a successful DOF and a poor to average one is getting most of those right, and more specifically, getting the big money signings right.
Not off to a good start. |
Have we sold Celar, Madsen and Varane then? Bit early to make such sweeping statements I’d say!
No one knows whether we will make money or not from our last summer signings as we haven’t sold anyone yet. Personally I think overall we will make money but issue is (as others have mentioned) we haven’t signed players with the team in mind [Post edited 27 Jun 20:33]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:33 - Jun 27 with 443 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:15 - Jun 27 by JamesB1979 |
Have we sold Celar, Madsen and Varane then? Bit early to make such sweeping statements I’d say!
No one knows whether we will make money or not from our last summer signings as we haven’t sold anyone yet. Personally I think overall we will make money but issue is (as others have mentioned) we haven’t signed players with the team in mind [Post edited 27 Jun 20:33]
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We’ve had a whole season watching Madsen and you ain’t getting money back on him. Celar jury is out but also doesn’t look good.
The point is that’s a significant 6m spent. And you’ll be lucky to see 2m of that returned.
We simply can’t afford to be getting marquee signings wrong as a club, and, frankly, neither can Nourry. DOFs are ultimately judged on net transfer profit / loss. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:38 - Jun 27 with 429 views | JamesB1979 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 20:33 - Jun 27 by 1JD |
We’ve had a whole season watching Madsen and you ain’t getting money back on him. Celar jury is out but also doesn’t look good.
The point is that’s a significant 6m spent. And you’ll be lucky to see 2m of that returned.
We simply can’t afford to be getting marquee signings wrong as a club, and, frankly, neither can Nourry. DOFs are ultimately judged on net transfer profit / loss. |
You don’t know we won’t make money on these guys. They may improve like Varane did. We may sell Varane for 10m and so overall make a profit even if we sell the rest for Nil. The fact is today, no one knows. You’re guessing. As I am.
I think we will make money. The issue is we didn’t make the team better. I think we are correcting that now. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:22 - Jun 27 with 356 views | Match82 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:17 - Jun 27 by PhilmyRs |
I think he means players we paid money for - Eze was picked up for nought. That said, with Les it was often a problem of not managing up very well and not sticking to the plan. There were a number of signings which were clearly worth something and decent - BOS, Manning, Smithies, Freeman, Dickie, Dieng - to name a few but we didn’t sell at the right time and gave the Manager too much power. Some of the players were decent and we could have got money.
Using the Varane example, it would actually be better if we did sell and got something or hold onto him and get a bit more next year. However, there’s still a chance a Rob Dickie scenario plays out and we don’t get what he’s worth so a bit early to be standing on the horse just yet. |
"I think he means players we paid money for - Eze was picked up for nought"
He does. But the fact that he has taken the time to phrase that carefully in order to get around the fact that we brought in developed and sold Eze on Les' watch tells me he's more interested in scoring points on a technicality than actually debating the merits of how well they did their respective jobs. |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:56 - Jun 27 with 296 views | derbyhoop |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:46 - Jun 27 by 1JD |
It’s no good making 4m on Varane, but spunking 6m on Madsen and Celar - who let’s face it are largely dead money.
Overall, it’s a 2m net LOSS.
That is not a successful DOF strategy at all. |
You've obviously got your hobby horse, but I'd say it's too early to judge. Any player coming from a different league can take time to understand what is needed in the Championship.
Celar's goals at Cardiff were classy. A few games later he was out for the season. Madsen's performances in the last few games showed that he was getting there.
They may still get moved on at a loss. ATM, neither are going anywhere. |  |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 02:03 - Jun 28 with 145 views | VancouverHoop |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:56 - Jun 27 by derbyhoop |
You've obviously got your hobby horse, but I'd say it's too early to judge. Any player coming from a different league can take time to understand what is needed in the Championship.
Celar's goals at Cardiff were classy. A few games later he was out for the season. Madsen's performances in the last few games showed that he was getting there.
They may still get moved on at a loss. ATM, neither are going anywhere. |
Agreed. We we live in a culture of instantaneousness though. If it doesn't happen right away then it's obviously worthless. [Post edited 28 Jun 2:03]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 04:52 - Jun 28 with 44 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Rarely do you get a series of posts that while seemingly at odds with each other, you broadly agree with and don't necessarily think anyone's wrong!
Last season we bought five blokes for whom the challenges of a new country and league were not hurdles for two, definitely for one, and the jury is out on the other two.
If ZC can pick up from that one game at Cardiff and NM was maybe starting to show something, then the DOF Success Swingometer moves in CN's favour. Although it's noticeable that this season's interests seem to favour players with experience of playing in England.
I guess the 'Class of 2024 conundrum' will be solved in our minds between August and Christmas at the earliest, May at the latest. | |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 04:55 - Jun 28 with 43 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:07 - Jun 27 by 1BobbyHazell |
Meh. He was so so. [Post edited 27 Jun 19:08]
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You wait ages for a Bobby Hazzell, and then two come along at once. Possibly three! | |
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