| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) 16:02 - Jun 26 with 10642 views | sdm1508 |
Sorry about that, my initial post only did the title. Anyway, 23 year old centre back signed from Reading [Post edited 26 Jun 16:06]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 07:41 - Jun 28 with 1189 views | nix |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:22 - Jun 27 by Match82 |
"I think he means players we paid money for - Eze was picked up for nought"
He does. But the fact that he has taken the time to phrase that carefully in order to get around the fact that we brought in developed and sold Eze on Les' watch tells me he's more interested in scoring points on a technicality than actually debating the merits of how well they did their respective jobs. |
There is but that appears in both the evil Les and the Satanic Nourry camps. I'm not in either camp but I think there isn't sufficient evidence either way yet to hung draw and quarter Nourry quite yet. Or rather there are negatives but also positives and I find myself seemingly going out on a limb to defend him for invemted negatives - the silly point about him being mean-spirited about Marti being a case in point when he was anything but. I also note some positives that are discounted by some or attributed to someone else. I mean he's either all powerful or he isn't.
He's clearly made some howlers: the seven dwarfs last season, Madsen/Celar, his PR style. But also he's energised a largely under-performing development squad practically overnight - it actually won a prestigious cup and we've got a number of players lined up for potential first team careers, not just one. Morgan, Varane and Morrison are surely all agreed as successes. He's tied down Morgan, Varane, Field to longer contracts to avoid the BOS/ Manning fiasco. We also seem to ignore some expensive Les mistakes: Bonne, Dykes, Goss, Borysiuk, Nbakoto, Richards, Austin/Johanssen vastly expensive contract extensions. I also don't remember halcyon days of a balanced squad.
I'm still in the wait and see, both good and bad camp. It seems like an extreme position these days. But it's clear that both sides cherry pick and discount positives/negatives to buttress their case. |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 08:41 - Jun 28 with 1068 views | Andybrat |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 07:41 - Jun 28 by nix |
There is but that appears in both the evil Les and the Satanic Nourry camps. I'm not in either camp but I think there isn't sufficient evidence either way yet to hung draw and quarter Nourry quite yet. Or rather there are negatives but also positives and I find myself seemingly going out on a limb to defend him for invemted negatives - the silly point about him being mean-spirited about Marti being a case in point when he was anything but. I also note some positives that are discounted by some or attributed to someone else. I mean he's either all powerful or he isn't.
He's clearly made some howlers: the seven dwarfs last season, Madsen/Celar, his PR style. But also he's energised a largely under-performing development squad practically overnight - it actually won a prestigious cup and we've got a number of players lined up for potential first team careers, not just one. Morgan, Varane and Morrison are surely all agreed as successes. He's tied down Morgan, Varane, Field to longer contracts to avoid the BOS/ Manning fiasco. We also seem to ignore some expensive Les mistakes: Bonne, Dykes, Goss, Borysiuk, Nbakoto, Richards, Austin/Johanssen vastly expensive contract extensions. I also don't remember halcyon days of a balanced squad.
I'm still in the wait and see, both good and bad camp. It seems like an extreme position these days. But it's clear that both sides cherry pick and discount positives/negatives to buttress their case. |
Spot on, let the games begin and then we will really know. All i know is Mbengue looks like a great addition so the current system could be working. Note all the coulds and looks like, we won’t know until August. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 08:52 - Jun 28 with 1044 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 07:41 - Jun 28 by nix |
There is but that appears in both the evil Les and the Satanic Nourry camps. I'm not in either camp but I think there isn't sufficient evidence either way yet to hung draw and quarter Nourry quite yet. Or rather there are negatives but also positives and I find myself seemingly going out on a limb to defend him for invemted negatives - the silly point about him being mean-spirited about Marti being a case in point when he was anything but. I also note some positives that are discounted by some or attributed to someone else. I mean he's either all powerful or he isn't.
He's clearly made some howlers: the seven dwarfs last season, Madsen/Celar, his PR style. But also he's energised a largely under-performing development squad practically overnight - it actually won a prestigious cup and we've got a number of players lined up for potential first team careers, not just one. Morgan, Varane and Morrison are surely all agreed as successes. He's tied down Morgan, Varane, Field to longer contracts to avoid the BOS/ Manning fiasco. We also seem to ignore some expensive Les mistakes: Bonne, Dykes, Goss, Borysiuk, Nbakoto, Richards, Austin/Johanssen vastly expensive contract extensions. I also don't remember halcyon days of a balanced squad.
I'm still in the wait and see, both good and bad camp. It seems like an extreme position these days. But it's clear that both sides cherry pick and discount positives/negatives to buttress their case. |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 08:54 - Jun 28 with 1039 views | Stainrod |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:36 - Jun 27 by Beans |
Apologies Terry for not responding directly. There was quite a few responses and some of them were considered and engaging in rational debate with a counter view like yours that I didn’t response to but wasn’t intentional in missing yours
I should though focus on reasoned responses like from you rather than from the keyboard warriors who resort to insults.
I personally do feel that yes we are improving our squad and our broader foundation. We are just starting out our third transfer window under Nourry versus Les’ 20 windows. In rejecting Varane’s offer of £5m that being a £4m(ish) profit on what we spent is already a bigger profit than Les and Hoos ever managed on any of the players they spent money on. In ten years they never had the chance to make a £4m profit on a player they paid cash for
And while Mbengue is probably not anticipated as one we expect to sell for any significant fee in future. He seems a good character (certainly better than the Joel Lynch types that Les spent £1m on). Plus Mbengue is fast and that fits with the stated strategy of wanting to be able to play a high defensive line
And what I also like about our signings recently is that we are taking more shots at finding a player we can sell on for decent money in future. I include the Dev Squad signings within that as it feels like we are making a bigger effort there, with the Esquerdinha signing and if true this South African defender who recently got AFCON player of the tournament. Then on top of that bringing in Steve Bould to give best chance to develop them
If Poku comes off, we tried with Dembele, Vale and Morrison too. All those players are attempts at putting ourselves in a position where one day we will get a proper transfer fee for a player of ours. It’s not about being a Nourry fan. Or getting every signing right. It’s that I care about our club doing well. I could go on with reasons but I am pleased with the steps being taken and like the direction we are going in. Think some got carried away this summer with their criticisms and some of which they went a bit early on and needed more patience for certain situations to played out
It’s still early days but I think we are on a good path (considering our budget) |
These are largely reasonable points but considering you are so strongly in the Nourry camp - and are so keen to contrast his record with that of the ancien regime - could you please at your leisure address my point that relative to budget the Madsen and Cellar signings were monumentally on the negative side of the balance sheet? Doesn’t mean there are not plenty of positives, particularly around youth development and more commercial savvy around sponsorship etc. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 09:18 - Jun 28 with 1012 views | QPR_Jim |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 07:41 - Jun 28 by nix |
There is but that appears in both the evil Les and the Satanic Nourry camps. I'm not in either camp but I think there isn't sufficient evidence either way yet to hung draw and quarter Nourry quite yet. Or rather there are negatives but also positives and I find myself seemingly going out on a limb to defend him for invemted negatives - the silly point about him being mean-spirited about Marti being a case in point when he was anything but. I also note some positives that are discounted by some or attributed to someone else. I mean he's either all powerful or he isn't.
He's clearly made some howlers: the seven dwarfs last season, Madsen/Celar, his PR style. But also he's energised a largely under-performing development squad practically overnight - it actually won a prestigious cup and we've got a number of players lined up for potential first team careers, not just one. Morgan, Varane and Morrison are surely all agreed as successes. He's tied down Morgan, Varane, Field to longer contracts to avoid the BOS/ Manning fiasco. We also seem to ignore some expensive Les mistakes: Bonne, Dykes, Goss, Borysiuk, Nbakoto, Richards, Austin/Johanssen vastly expensive contract extensions. I also don't remember halcyon days of a balanced squad.
I'm still in the wait and see, both good and bad camp. It seems like an extreme position these days. But it's clear that both sides cherry pick and discount positives/negatives to buttress their case. |
Fair. On your last point though I think there's an element of personal perspective on what's important. He's combined two roles in CEO and DOF, so he has a wide remit and for some people it will be his signings that are most important and other people the communication etc.
Personally there seems to be a lot of stuff that doesn't sit right, especially the Ben Williams situation last season and how that was handled in contrast to Marti. Suggests a workplace where if you're mates with the boss you can do what you like but if not you're going regardless. In my experience they're not the best environment for retaining talent. The Paladini style communication is a worrying trend as well, we've been there before and it's not good. The jobs for the boys stuff, not great, are we still using Retexo as a consultant and hiring their clients?
We don't really know what's going on (seemingly by design which is a bit of a red flag) so we can't say for sure what's going on but I don't think we should turn a blind eye to it either. These things could be a massive issue down the road if even half of the above is going on. I hope he's successful because as a fanbase we deserve some good years. |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 12:52 - Jun 28 with 861 views | Match82 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 07:41 - Jun 28 by nix |
There is but that appears in both the evil Les and the Satanic Nourry camps. I'm not in either camp but I think there isn't sufficient evidence either way yet to hung draw and quarter Nourry quite yet. Or rather there are negatives but also positives and I find myself seemingly going out on a limb to defend him for invemted negatives - the silly point about him being mean-spirited about Marti being a case in point when he was anything but. I also note some positives that are discounted by some or attributed to someone else. I mean he's either all powerful or he isn't.
He's clearly made some howlers: the seven dwarfs last season, Madsen/Celar, his PR style. But also he's energised a largely under-performing development squad practically overnight - it actually won a prestigious cup and we've got a number of players lined up for potential first team careers, not just one. Morgan, Varane and Morrison are surely all agreed as successes. He's tied down Morgan, Varane, Field to longer contracts to avoid the BOS/ Manning fiasco. We also seem to ignore some expensive Les mistakes: Bonne, Dykes, Goss, Borysiuk, Nbakoto, Richards, Austin/Johanssen vastly expensive contract extensions. I also don't remember halcyon days of a balanced squad.
I'm still in the wait and see, both good and bad camp. It seems like an extreme position these days. But it's clear that both sides cherry pick and discount positives/negatives to buttress their case. |
I don't think it's an extreme position it's where most people are just not the loudest ones |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 14:12 - Jun 28 with 789 views | nix |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 09:18 - Jun 28 by QPR_Jim |
Fair. On your last point though I think there's an element of personal perspective on what's important. He's combined two roles in CEO and DOF, so he has a wide remit and for some people it will be his signings that are most important and other people the communication etc.
Personally there seems to be a lot of stuff that doesn't sit right, especially the Ben Williams situation last season and how that was handled in contrast to Marti. Suggests a workplace where if you're mates with the boss you can do what you like but if not you're going regardless. In my experience they're not the best environment for retaining talent. The Paladini style communication is a worrying trend as well, we've been there before and it's not good. The jobs for the boys stuff, not great, are we still using Retexo as a consultant and hiring their clients?
We don't really know what's going on (seemingly by design which is a bit of a red flag) so we can't say for sure what's going on but I don't think we should turn a blind eye to it either. These things could be a massive issue down the road if even half of the above is going on. I hope he's successful because as a fanbase we deserve some good years. |
Not arguing with most of that. Except that I do think based on his managerial career Marti wanted out. I do think the gardening leave was a heavy handed way of handling that but I think he was looking for something that would propel him upwards. So I'm sceptical with the Board forcing him out party line.
Being wary and disliking the things you've cited is a reasonable position though and I upvoted your previous post which is balanced.. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:08 - Jun 28 with 744 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:46 - Jun 27 by 1JD |
It’s no good making 4m on Varane, but spunking 6m on Madsen and Celar - who let’s face it are largely dead money.
Overall, it’s a 2m net LOSS.
That is not a successful DOF strategy at all. |
But we turned down the £5m bid. So if we sell him next season for £10m or £15m then it’s a very good profit isn’t it
Or if one of the players we signed for free goes you need to factor that in. As well as going well early in your desperation to find a negative you are also writing Celar and Madsen down to zero value which is just not a reasonable position | | | |
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:15 - Jun 28 with 730 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 07:26 - Jun 28 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Eze, alongside Dieng, Armstrong, Dickie, Lumley, Kpekwa, Bowler, and plenty of others I’ve forgotten when it comes to giving Les a dig. |
You are both dreaming if you think Les deserves the credit for Eze being at the club.
If we were having a top 3 people at the club for who the credit for Eze goes to Les wouldn’t be one of them. It would be Chris Ramsey, Paul Hall then Impey. Les had nothing to do with him joining. Those three did
And that you are using Dickie as a success story example is very telling. We sold Dickie for a loss of more than £1m
Smithies was the only senior player that Ferdinand had the club pay money for and then was sold for more than paid for him. Would be interesting if JD1 could do a tally of transfers fees paid out under Les and Hoos and then amount received in fees | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:58 - Jun 28 with 674 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:15 - Jun 28 by Beans |
You are both dreaming if you think Les deserves the credit for Eze being at the club.
If we were having a top 3 people at the club for who the credit for Eze goes to Les wouldn’t be one of them. It would be Chris Ramsey, Paul Hall then Impey. Les had nothing to do with him joining. Those three did
And that you are using Dickie as a success story example is very telling. We sold Dickie for a loss of more than £1m
Smithies was the only senior player that Ferdinand had the club pay money for and then was sold for more than paid for him. Would be interesting if JD1 could do a tally of transfers fees paid out under Les and Hoos and then amount received in fees |
You better tell that to Eze
'He credits technical director Chris Ramsey, coaches Andy Impey and Paul Hall, and former QPR forward Les Ferdinand with helping with his development and building up his confidence at Loftus Road'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy0k9p4l08lo [Post edited 28 Jun 16:27]
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| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:17 - Jun 28 with 638 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:08 - Jun 28 by Beans |
But we turned down the £5m bid. So if we sell him next season for £10m or £15m then it’s a very good profit isn’t it
Or if one of the players we signed for free goes you need to factor that in. As well as going well early in your desperation to find a negative you are also writing Celar and Madsen down to zero value which is just not a reasonable position |
I agree that Varane could net 10m next summer, his age is on his side, as is his contract.
But Madsen is 25 and Celar already 26. You’ll know very well that market valuations plummet downwards from 26 years onwards, every year incrementally decreasing at a faster rate. So unless both of these players smash it out of the park this season, we’ll be likely taking a loss on both players going forwards. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:27 - Jun 28 with 607 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 15:15 - Jun 28 by Beans |
You are both dreaming if you think Les deserves the credit for Eze being at the club.
If we were having a top 3 people at the club for who the credit for Eze goes to Les wouldn’t be one of them. It would be Chris Ramsey, Paul Hall then Impey. Les had nothing to do with him joining. Those three did
And that you are using Dickie as a success story example is very telling. We sold Dickie for a loss of more than £1m
Smithies was the only senior player that Ferdinand had the club pay money for and then was sold for more than paid for him. Would be interesting if JD1 could do a tally of transfers fees paid out under Les and Hoos and then amount received in fees |
I’ve previously run these numbers and Les’ era was a net profit of circa 4m if I remember correctly. In other words, we largely stood still in the player trading model over 8-9 years. To be clear, I was not a fan of Les’ and his DOF leadership, his tried his hardest, but we needed to be performing far better with the player trading model. Brentford pocketed 100m in net over the same period. Nourry must do a lot better for the sake of our clubs chance of progression. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:51 - Jun 28 with 560 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:27 - Jun 28 by 1JD |
I’ve previously run these numbers and Les’ era was a net profit of circa 4m if I remember correctly. In other words, we largely stood still in the player trading model over 8-9 years. To be clear, I was not a fan of Les’ and his DOF leadership, his tried his hardest, but we needed to be performing far better with the player trading model. Brentford pocketed 100m in net over the same period. Nourry must do a lot better for the sake of our clubs chance of progression. |
How many millions did he save in wages though?
We had a wage bill higher than Dortmund’s and he brought it down to Millwall’s level, while keeping us up, and making £4m in transfer fee.
Sorry, that is miraculous to me. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:02 - Jun 28 with 528 views | mart_Goblin |
I’m sure Amadou Mbengue would be wondering where on Earth he had wandered into if he stumbled upon this thread whilst scrolling .
Hijacked by the PR team and then argued the toss about …CN will be in his element that the spotlight is on him and not his signing.
Welcome, Amadou. |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 17:58 - Jun 28 with 454 views | TK1 |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 21:22 - Jun 27 by Match82 |
"I think he means players we paid money for - Eze was picked up for nought"
He does. But the fact that he has taken the time to phrase that carefully in order to get around the fact that we brought in developed and sold Eze on Les' watch tells me he's more interested in scoring points on a technicality than actually debating the merits of how well they did their respective jobs. |
Yeah, he started posting a month ago and every post has been to praise Nourry's work (no problem with that, if that's what one believes) by contrasting with cherry-picked digs at LF and Ramsey in comparison (massive problem with that, as by and large everything he says is BS that ignores all contemporary context). Extremely fishy, bad faith actor.
I think the club and its CEO is having a really good summer so far. But I thought that in the summer of 2022, too, when they appointed Beale and signed the likes of JCS, Paal, Laird, Iroegbunam, even Roberts - all on paper brilliant prospects and just what Rangers needed alongside Chair, Willock, Dieng, Dickie, Johansson, Amos...we had the makings of a great squad, bright young coach, started accordingly like a steam train.
Let's hope it's a different story. But seasons are not defined in June or July . Events, events... | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:07 - Jun 28 with 418 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 16:17 - Jun 28 by 1JD |
I agree that Varane could net 10m next summer, his age is on his side, as is his contract.
But Madsen is 25 and Celar already 26. You’ll know very well that market valuations plummet downwards from 26 years onwards, every year incrementally decreasing at a faster rate. So unless both of these players smash it out of the park this season, we’ll be likely taking a loss on both players going forwards. |
I'm assuming you are adding in the Sterling money to claim a profit? You must admit that's not right to include? As Summmer 2015 that fee came in, a few months after Les arrived and he promptly spent near half of it on Joel Lynch, Ngbakoto, Borisyuk, Sylla and soon after Connor Washington.
Sterling fee was down to Steve Gallen and even Baz wouldn't have the front to credit any of that income to Les or Hoos.
Also the credit that Les deserves for Dieng or Eze fee I would say is debatable for sure and it's also opening the debate towards the criticism he may deserve for his handling of key prospect contracts. Thinking likes of BOS and Manning which he bears responsibility for.
If Madsen and Celar eventually leave for no fee. It's not strictly a loss in the sense not every signing we make can be necessarily be expected to be sold to be a total success or failure. Look at the Luongo and Gladwin signing that Les made for £3m. Neither went for a fee but I would say Luongo was still one of his more successful signings Les made here. And so in that same way if Madsen or Celar eventually find their feet then it's not a total loss. You need to look at the signings as a whole
The point I was making about Varane was specifically about players that under Les and Hoos we paid money for as part of the senior squad and then eventually sold on for a profit or loss. I am certain that is a heavy loss
So talking as we were specifically about spending money on players for senior squad like Varane, Madsen and Celar. Comparing that same topic with Les and Hoos it seems totally impossible that we could have a profit. I can think of many fees with any income back, off the top of my head would say; Goss, Dozzell, Lynch, Washington, Luongo, Gladwin, Ngbakoto, Borysiuk. That is about £12m of fees at least. Thinking of fees back in top profit I can come up with is Smithies for £3m and then what? Maybe a few hundred grand each for De Wjis and Porter | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:18 - Jun 28 with 382 views | eastside_r |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:07 - Jun 28 by Beans |
I'm assuming you are adding in the Sterling money to claim a profit? You must admit that's not right to include? As Summmer 2015 that fee came in, a few months after Les arrived and he promptly spent near half of it on Joel Lynch, Ngbakoto, Borisyuk, Sylla and soon after Connor Washington.
Sterling fee was down to Steve Gallen and even Baz wouldn't have the front to credit any of that income to Les or Hoos.
Also the credit that Les deserves for Dieng or Eze fee I would say is debatable for sure and it's also opening the debate towards the criticism he may deserve for his handling of key prospect contracts. Thinking likes of BOS and Manning which he bears responsibility for.
If Madsen and Celar eventually leave for no fee. It's not strictly a loss in the sense not every signing we make can be necessarily be expected to be sold to be a total success or failure. Look at the Luongo and Gladwin signing that Les made for £3m. Neither went for a fee but I would say Luongo was still one of his more successful signings Les made here. And so in that same way if Madsen or Celar eventually find their feet then it's not a total loss. You need to look at the signings as a whole
The point I was making about Varane was specifically about players that under Les and Hoos we paid money for as part of the senior squad and then eventually sold on for a profit or loss. I am certain that is a heavy loss
So talking as we were specifically about spending money on players for senior squad like Varane, Madsen and Celar. Comparing that same topic with Les and Hoos it seems totally impossible that we could have a profit. I can think of many fees with any income back, off the top of my head would say; Goss, Dozzell, Lynch, Washington, Luongo, Gladwin, Ngbakoto, Borysiuk. That is about £12m of fees at least. Thinking of fees back in top profit I can come up with is Smithies for £3m and then what? Maybe a few hundred grand each for De Wjis and Porter |
You're very ITK for 'just a supporter', so I assume we've all given up on that pretence. |  | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:33 - Jun 28 with 328 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:07 - Jun 28 by Beans |
I'm assuming you are adding in the Sterling money to claim a profit? You must admit that's not right to include? As Summmer 2015 that fee came in, a few months after Les arrived and he promptly spent near half of it on Joel Lynch, Ngbakoto, Borisyuk, Sylla and soon after Connor Washington.
Sterling fee was down to Steve Gallen and even Baz wouldn't have the front to credit any of that income to Les or Hoos.
Also the credit that Les deserves for Dieng or Eze fee I would say is debatable for sure and it's also opening the debate towards the criticism he may deserve for his handling of key prospect contracts. Thinking likes of BOS and Manning which he bears responsibility for.
If Madsen and Celar eventually leave for no fee. It's not strictly a loss in the sense not every signing we make can be necessarily be expected to be sold to be a total success or failure. Look at the Luongo and Gladwin signing that Les made for £3m. Neither went for a fee but I would say Luongo was still one of his more successful signings Les made here. And so in that same way if Madsen or Celar eventually find their feet then it's not a total loss. You need to look at the signings as a whole
The point I was making about Varane was specifically about players that under Les and Hoos we paid money for as part of the senior squad and then eventually sold on for a profit or loss. I am certain that is a heavy loss
So talking as we were specifically about spending money on players for senior squad like Varane, Madsen and Celar. Comparing that same topic with Les and Hoos it seems totally impossible that we could have a profit. I can think of many fees with any income back, off the top of my head would say; Goss, Dozzell, Lynch, Washington, Luongo, Gladwin, Ngbakoto, Borysiuk. That is about £12m of fees at least. Thinking of fees back in top profit I can come up with is Smithies for £3m and then what? Maybe a few hundred grand each for De Wjis and Porter |
Couple of things.
1. No, it didn’t have the sterling fee included. Total income was circa 30m, outgoings were 26m IIRC. Eze being the big one.
2. Yes, you are right for pure transfer spend. The above figures include academy generated profits. If analysed on a transfer net, the picture for Les does not look good. But taken overall, with academy production, it evens itself out, and more than that, represented an overall net positive.
If there is interest in these specific figures on this site in general I can dig them out, I spent a while doing them in between jobs at the time as was a bit bored. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:08 - Jun 28 with 257 views | Beans |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 18:33 - Jun 28 by 1JD |
Couple of things.
1. No, it didn’t have the sterling fee included. Total income was circa 30m, outgoings were 26m IIRC. Eze being the big one.
2. Yes, you are right for pure transfer spend. The above figures include academy generated profits. If analysed on a transfer net, the picture for Les does not look good. But taken overall, with academy production, it evens itself out, and more than that, represented an overall net positive.
If there is interest in these specific figures on this site in general I can dig them out, I spent a while doing them in between jobs at the time as was a bit bored. |
No worries. Both made our point and think we are both happy with the business done this summer and it all being done along with the coaching changes relatively early
£20m Eze, plus Bowler and Dieng your up to £25m of that £30m inwards. Leaves maybe £5m fees received off of £26m fees spent… ouch what a shambles. Looks like we are on an upwards curve compared to that already | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:10 - Jun 28 with 254 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:08 - Jun 28 by Beans |
No worries. Both made our point and think we are both happy with the business done this summer and it all being done along with the coaching changes relatively early
£20m Eze, plus Bowler and Dieng your up to £25m of that £30m inwards. Leaves maybe £5m fees received off of £26m fees spent… ouch what a shambles. Looks like we are on an upwards curve compared to that already |
We’re still ignoring the wages thing are we? | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:45 - Jun 28 with 221 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Anyway, welcome Amadou.
One club.
Two players.
Three Dous. | | | |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:47 - Jun 28 with 214 views | 1JD |
| Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t) on 19:08 - Jun 28 by Beans |
No worries. Both made our point and think we are both happy with the business done this summer and it all being done along with the coaching changes relatively early
£20m Eze, plus Bowler and Dieng your up to £25m of that £30m inwards. Leaves maybe £5m fees received off of £26m fees spent… ouch what a shambles. Looks like we are on an upwards curve compared to that already |
100% it’s the right direction for the club to take, investing in younger players, and protecting assets with proactive contract extensions. Both are well overdue. And it’s just common sense. But we are still early on this journey overall, and so is Nourry.
The 6m spent on Madsen and Celar is not a good start, as it will likely need to be offset by Varane’s sale. Mid-term, we cannot be getting big money marquee signings wrong, as you just end up standing still, with incoming flops and outgoing sales largely cancelling each other out. | | | |
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