| How optimistic are you now? 19:33 - Jun 28 with 18370 views | Spen |
I know it’s very early days in this transfer window and I was going to post this a few days back, but, I think I’m feeling more confident and optimistic now than this time last year.
Last summer the narrative was what could Marti and this team do with a full preseason etc, and the general feeling around the place was positive.
Things seem to be making sense now and with the new management team in place, decent, forward thinking signings, retained players etc, there does seem something brewing here.
I guess it’s the well worn phrase ‘it’s the hope that kills you’ kicking in, especially after 2 San Miguel, but for the first time in a long time I’m really looking forward to this season. |  | | |  |
| How optimistic are you now? on 13:04 - Jun 30 with 1935 views | 7374Ranger |
| How optimistic are you now? on 08:47 - Jun 30 by eghamranger |
I really want to be but I’m being realistic
Manager…. Never managed here before
Mbengue…..Never played in this league before
Poku… see above
Vale… see above, hopefully gets fit
Kelman… is he staying or going? Never played in this league before
Nardi, Dunne, Morrison , cook, Field, Dembele, Varane, chair, Smyth… great for the club
I can see us getting a loan striker in or someone from the French League,
Edwards from the Eze money…. Now I’m turning optimistic |
Poku played 12 games for Peterborough in the Championship (when they beat QPR 3 times). Plus, he has played over 200 games by the age of 23 and that is impressive.
Mbengue has played in League 1 and although us not Championship level it is England and he should be able to settle in quickly. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 13:11 - Jun 30 with 1898 views | londonscottish |
I'm less pissed off than I was a week ago. I ended up calling the box office to check the deadline for cancelling the direct debit for my st renewal. Managed to resist cancelling, just.
Anyway, we've now got a manager and have made two signings of players who at least have a fair amount of EFL experience. And we have actually deliberately signed an actual RB.
But the overall lack of comms from the club still stinks the place out. It's a massive insult to people who properly invest their time and money helping prop up the whole creaking edifice. |  |
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| How optimistic are you now? on 13:30 - Jun 30 with 1818 views | CiderwithRsie |
You're thinking "Will we sign a striker and a left-back, or five more No 10s and wingers? Will Madsen, Celar and Kelman tear the League up, or be in a thread on "Players you've forgotten played for us" in 10 years time?"
Now to tell you the truth, I'm not sure myself in all this excitement. But being this is QPR, the most QPRest football club in the world and going to every game will blow your head clean off. As well as bankrupt you. You've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel optimistic?" Well, do ya, punk? [Post edited 30 Jun 13:31]
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| How optimistic are you now? on 13:43 - Jun 30 with 1780 views | TheChef |
Looks promising so far.
But as usual hard to make a judgement till we're ten games into the season. |  |
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| How optimistic are you now? on 13:52 - Jun 30 with 1750 views | LazyFan |
Don't be too optimistic, first two months of the season has many winable games.
But let's say the Charity Park Rangers are back in town and we won't win those and struggle. Well, after that, it's a brutal schedule. So, we could come out in the new year in big trouble and once again scrambling to get to 16th again.
We have to start really well or we shall be in big trouble. |  |
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| How optimistic are you now? on 14:37 - Jun 30 with 1703 views | Malintabuk |
Unlike a few I'm not that fussed about Stephan and his lack of EFL experience .. just ask Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton and Wolves about managers new to the Englisg game.
For me the squad is looking a lot better... and we still have in the DS players like Morgan, Bennie and Sutton, that could make an impact
The Morgan situation for me was a puzzle. He came into the team and looked really good, confident and full of promise... and just disappeared. I know he was young, but he was the best player on the park in the final.... I wonder if Marti may have been behind his drop
And I'm wondering the same about last summer and this summer business...we all assumed last summer was purely down to Nourry... and not Marti... Marti has gone, Nourry has stayed and we seem to be buying a totally different type of player
I'm really optimistic about this season... and a lot of it is the new manager. I hate to get ahead of myself but I think we will be a better team under Stephan.... and I think we may surprise a few people...including us the fans | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:03 - Jun 30 with 1649 views | QPROslo |
Not at all optimistic now. The Club has got rid of a good Manager (again) who got us out of the dodo the last 2 seasons on numerous occasions. None of the changes so far give me much cause for optimism, but we'll see. A lot will depend on the injury situation again. If we can keep the key players fit we should survive again, maybe. | | | |
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| How optimistic are you now? on 15:11 - Jun 30 with 1632 views | daveB |
I haven't a clue how we are going to do, I feel more optimisitc than I was in May, i think there are a few clubs who look a car crash at the moment and have on paper a squad who should finish mid table.
I worry about a lack of goals and again reliant on a lot of little attacking players but think ultimatley we'll be a bit like we normally are, good in some stages, terrible at others and then finish around half way which isn't a bad thing |  | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:12 - Jun 30 with 1627 views | JPC |
As with every pre-season, and I’m sure most club supporters feel this, looks optimistic on paper. As ever, we’ll have to see how it matches up with reality. I’ve always been in the ‘why are we getting rid of the manager so soon?’ Camp, but am cautiously optimistic/ foolishly optimistic on Julien Stephan. I do like what seems to lie behind our recruitment so far - if we keep Kelman we’ll have 2 players that made the L1 team of the year, which is what we should have been doing for a while now. Think the first 6-8 games are key - solid start and I think we could be a surprise package - slow start and I think we could really struggle.
So I don’t know really. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:14 - Jun 30 with 1621 views | Northernr |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:12 - Jun 30 by JPC |
As with every pre-season, and I’m sure most club supporters feel this, looks optimistic on paper. As ever, we’ll have to see how it matches up with reality. I’ve always been in the ‘why are we getting rid of the manager so soon?’ Camp, but am cautiously optimistic/ foolishly optimistic on Julien Stephan. I do like what seems to lie behind our recruitment so far - if we keep Kelman we’ll have 2 players that made the L1 team of the year, which is what we should have been doing for a while now. Think the first 6-8 games are key - solid start and I think we could be a surprise package - slow start and I think we could really struggle.
So I don’t know really. |
Also, the summers where we're optimistic tend to go very badly - Mark Hughes Premier League season being the most stark example. When we signed Hoilett I thought we were bound for Europe.
And when we don't expect much it sometimes goes great - Warnock's promotion year.
The one that bucks this trend was Ainsworth's season. We all knew we were gonna be dogsht then! |  | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:39 - Jun 30 with 1574 views | Burnleyhoop |
| How optimistic are you now? on 07:45 - Jun 30 by Rsole |
Should we wait for the first injury report and the run of not winning games ? |
Our season will, as always, stand or fall on the number of visitors to the treatment room and how long they choose to spend there. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:41 - Jun 30 with 1570 views | Northernr |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:39 - Jun 30 by Burnleyhoop |
Our season will, as always, stand or fall on the number of visitors to the treatment room and how long they choose to spend there. |
Absolutely, because of the squad depth we're able to carry on our budget, completely correct.
Though you can mitigate that slightly by having five or six who are capable of stepping up from the development squad into the firsts, towards which some progress seems to have been made.
One of the (many many) problems of that Beale season was once Ethan, Tyler, Leon and the boys had decided they weren't arsd any more, there was literally nothing below the surface to step in and you had to rely on people like Lowe and Martin. Martin probably kept us up in the end, but fck me what did it say about 10 years of development model that we didn't have one boy who could cosplay Lyndon Dykes for a month or two? | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:57 - Jun 30 with 1525 views | Burnleyhoop |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:41 - Jun 30 by Northernr |
Absolutely, because of the squad depth we're able to carry on our budget, completely correct.
Though you can mitigate that slightly by having five or six who are capable of stepping up from the development squad into the firsts, towards which some progress seems to have been made.
One of the (many many) problems of that Beale season was once Ethan, Tyler, Leon and the boys had decided they weren't arsd any more, there was literally nothing below the surface to step in and you had to rely on people like Lowe and Martin. Martin probably kept us up in the end, but fck me what did it say about 10 years of development model that we didn't have one boy who could cosplay Lyndon Dykes for a month or two? |
That inability of the DS to cover Dykes has irked you for years Clive, but it was indeed an indictment of how piss poor it was.
In fairness, Nourry has now grabbed that side of the club by the short and curlies. No more hanging on to players in the hope that they come good at 28. We have genuine prospects in there now, but they too will be jettisoned if potential is not realised by the time they hit 20.
That depth we have been missing looks close to being established this season with the signings/ extensions made thus far. Looks promising from where I’m standing. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 16:10 - Jun 30 with 1483 views | Northernr |
| How optimistic are you now? on 15:57 - Jun 30 by Burnleyhoop |
That inability of the DS to cover Dykes has irked you for years Clive, but it was indeed an indictment of how piss poor it was.
In fairness, Nourry has now grabbed that side of the club by the short and curlies. No more hanging on to players in the hope that they come good at 28. We have genuine prospects in there now, but they too will be jettisoned if potential is not realised by the time they hit 20.
That depth we have been missing looks close to being established this season with the signings/ extensions made thus far. Looks promising from where I’m standing. |
It does, but we do have to see if any of these development prospects do make it. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 16:28 - Jun 30 with 1446 views | QPRSam |
I'm definitely on the more optimistic side for the upcoming season which I didn't expect to be as I was pretty dejected by how things ended with Marti who I thought was one of the best things to happen to the club in years. Allow me to get my thoughts out there
Whilst the senior team struggled, following the DS through the PL cup leading to the final win over Brentford was a real breath of fresh air. I really felt some pride and hope leaving LR that night.
The backroom additions look really good on paper. Stephan with great seasons on the CV and development track record (to go along with improved players in DS will be exciting). Diarra's playing career is underrated (40 odd caps in a France midfield is quite an achievement) and taking Varane under his wing I'm looking to see further improvement. Steve Bould's CV speaks for itself and similarly working with the likes of Morrison and Mbengue will be great for them. Then of course the full time employment of Ben Williams will do no harm at all. If we can have an uptick in availability and fitness of the squad then I hope we can really use that to push on.
Player contracts. I, like many of you also, was resigned to losing Jimmy Dunne. However that came about, I'm so happy we were able to get this done, our most important player last year defensively and even offensively. Similarly getting Field, Varane, now Larkeche tied down to long term contracts. Illy, Kolli, Morgan, JCS throughout last season. It's a welcome change from years gone past with players playing us and running their contracts down.
Finally incomings. Another welcome change firstly targeting and making our priority signing players that have vast EFL experience (even at a young age) hopefully ensuring a quick integration into the team and championship football. Mbengue and Poku are a great start, immediately helping the team with great upside also. Kelman and Larkeche back from very promising loans. I'm looking forward to seeing Vale and see what he's about after the highly rated youth career he has had. Adamson, an unknown for me but I am looking forward to getting to know. Even the continued pursuit of upcoming players for the DS, Pearman and Akindileni.
I don't want to get carried away with league position, a calm mid table would be great. I'm excited to see the new players and continued development. Wishing good health for everyone. Progression, fingers crossed [Post edited 30 Jun 20:02]
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| How optimistic are you now? on 21:28 - Jun 30 with 1320 views | Burnleyhoop |
| How optimistic are you now? on 16:28 - Jun 30 by QPRSam |
I'm definitely on the more optimistic side for the upcoming season which I didn't expect to be as I was pretty dejected by how things ended with Marti who I thought was one of the best things to happen to the club in years. Allow me to get my thoughts out there
Whilst the senior team struggled, following the DS through the PL cup leading to the final win over Brentford was a real breath of fresh air. I really felt some pride and hope leaving LR that night.
The backroom additions look really good on paper. Stephan with great seasons on the CV and development track record (to go along with improved players in DS will be exciting). Diarra's playing career is underrated (40 odd caps in a France midfield is quite an achievement) and taking Varane under his wing I'm looking to see further improvement. Steve Bould's CV speaks for itself and similarly working with the likes of Morrison and Mbengue will be great for them. Then of course the full time employment of Ben Williams will do no harm at all. If we can have an uptick in availability and fitness of the squad then I hope we can really use that to push on.
Player contracts. I, like many of you also, was resigned to losing Jimmy Dunne. However that came about, I'm so happy we were able to get this done, our most important player last year defensively and even offensively. Similarly getting Field, Varane, now Larkeche tied down to long term contracts. Illy, Kolli, Morgan, JCS throughout last season. It's a welcome change from years gone past with players playing us and running their contracts down.
Finally incomings. Another welcome change firstly targeting and making our priority signing players that have vast EFL experience (even at a young age) hopefully ensuring a quick integration into the team and championship football. Mbengue and Poku are a great start, immediately helping the team with great upside also. Kelman and Larkeche back from very promising loans. I'm looking forward to seeing Vale and see what he's about after the highly rated youth career he has had. Adamson, an unknown for me but I am looking forward to getting to know. Even the continued pursuit of upcoming players for the DS, Pearman and Akindileni.
I don't want to get carried away with league position, a calm mid table would be great. I'm excited to see the new players and continued development. Wishing good health for everyone. Progression, fingers crossed [Post edited 30 Jun 20:02]
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Agreed. The improvement of the DS, the contract extensions, intriguing manger selection and quality back room staff all absolutely reek of a club that knows what it is doing. Every one, other than Marti seemingly, want to be part of the (whisper it) “project”.
Nourry has taken some stick, particularly for suppressing information and taking access away from our own internal media outlets and fan base, but he must have a better power point presentation than Beale to have pulled off what he has in the last few months.
The proof will be in the pudding, but if you keep making good decisions and have capable and committed people on board, the cards will, should, might fall in your favour at some point. Shirley? | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 22:34 - Jun 30 with 1220 views | Spen |
| How optimistic are you now? on 16:28 - Jun 30 by QPRSam |
I'm definitely on the more optimistic side for the upcoming season which I didn't expect to be as I was pretty dejected by how things ended with Marti who I thought was one of the best things to happen to the club in years. Allow me to get my thoughts out there
Whilst the senior team struggled, following the DS through the PL cup leading to the final win over Brentford was a real breath of fresh air. I really felt some pride and hope leaving LR that night.
The backroom additions look really good on paper. Stephan with great seasons on the CV and development track record (to go along with improved players in DS will be exciting). Diarra's playing career is underrated (40 odd caps in a France midfield is quite an achievement) and taking Varane under his wing I'm looking to see further improvement. Steve Bould's CV speaks for itself and similarly working with the likes of Morrison and Mbengue will be great for them. Then of course the full time employment of Ben Williams will do no harm at all. If we can have an uptick in availability and fitness of the squad then I hope we can really use that to push on.
Player contracts. I, like many of you also, was resigned to losing Jimmy Dunne. However that came about, I'm so happy we were able to get this done, our most important player last year defensively and even offensively. Similarly getting Field, Varane, now Larkeche tied down to long term contracts. Illy, Kolli, Morgan, JCS throughout last season. It's a welcome change from years gone past with players playing us and running their contracts down.
Finally incomings. Another welcome change firstly targeting and making our priority signing players that have vast EFL experience (even at a young age) hopefully ensuring a quick integration into the team and championship football. Mbengue and Poku are a great start, immediately helping the team with great upside also. Kelman and Larkeche back from very promising loans. I'm looking forward to seeing Vale and see what he's about after the highly rated youth career he has had. Adamson, an unknown for me but I am looking forward to getting to know. Even the continued pursuit of upcoming players for the DS, Pearman and Akindileni.
I don't want to get carried away with league position, a calm mid table would be great. I'm excited to see the new players and continued development. Wishing good health for everyone. Progression, fingers crossed [Post edited 30 Jun 20:02]
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You’ve hit the nail on the head there with ‘progression’.
There’s definitely been progression, not just in these last few weeks but we’ve tried to get our house in order starting a few years back with the new training facilities.
We’ve fallen behind and stagnated but it’s feels as though there’s an actual long term vision of how we build our club up again. Can we keep improving all aspects of the club, bit by bit, increasing by a few percent each measurable time and sticking with that over the long term. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 23:11 - Jun 30 with 1171 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Definitely more optimistic with the two new signings, with hopefully more to come.
Not overly fussed about Marti leaving as he was touting himself around this time last year and last season was shit.
We have a great opportunity to start the season well, so it's bound to be QPR 0 Preston North End 5 on the opening day. | | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 23:37 - Jun 30 with 1133 views | stinkydad |
Still a bit flat to be honest but then I'm a pretty miserable git in general.
Not wanting to p1ss on anyone's fireworks but the one thing that always sticks in my mind is that in all aspects of the club's business there are people involved and where people are involved anything can happen. And at QPR it usually does, and not in a positive way. |  | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 09:13 - Jul 1 with 987 views | TheChef |
| How optimistic are you now? on 23:37 - Jun 30 by stinkydad |
Still a bit flat to be honest but then I'm a pretty miserable git in general.
Not wanting to p1ss on anyone's fireworks but the one thing that always sticks in my mind is that in all aspects of the club's business there are people involved and where people are involved anything can happen. And at QPR it usually does, and not in a positive way. |
Miserable AND stinky??
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| How optimistic are you now? on 09:20 - Jul 1 with 960 views | nix |
| How optimistic are you now? on 22:34 - Jun 30 by Spen |
You’ve hit the nail on the head there with ‘progression’.
There’s definitely been progression, not just in these last few weeks but we’ve tried to get our house in order starting a few years back with the new training facilities.
We’ve fallen behind and stagnated but it’s feels as though there’s an actual long term vision of how we build our club up again. Can we keep improving all aspects of the club, bit by bit, increasing by a few percent each measurable time and sticking with that over the long term. |
I hope so but we need the Board to hold their nerve and the fanbase to get behind the long term improvements like Fulham and Brentford rather than short term glory like the Redknapp promotion or the Austin/Johansen season that stuffed us for two more years and took us backwards.
It seems like we've got a few gnarly old pros which you need: Field, Cook, Nardi, Dunne, Frey, Chair, even Smyth now but then some younger, faster guys with upside like Mbengue, Varane, Vale, Esquerdinha, Poku, Sutton. Still need LB and a DCM but there's always the loan market which we've got time for. If we can get anyone at the level of Saito or Edwards I'd be happy with that. |  | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 09:28 - Jul 1 with 941 views | ngbqpr |
At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, I think the key is the manager - how the players react to him, and how he adapts to the Championship.
Yes he has ups & downs on his CV, but as we always say about the unfinished products / damaged goods we sign to play, he wouldn't be here if said CV was perfect.
On paper, his CV has way more good than bad and he looks a bit of a coup for a midtable club at our level. Jimmy re-signing and Varane extending makes me think they're sold on working with him.
But so many ifs & buts.
However, enough positive signs in the last fortnight for me to be over my Marti sacking sulk.
Above all, set to be a defining season for Nourry. |  |
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| How optimistic are you now? on 09:57 - Jul 1 with 884 views | Hunterhoop |
Optimistic about the manager. I was a fan of Cifuentes. Thought he was a very good manager, had a bit of class about him and got the club. But I’m hopeful and supportive of the new fella. I see some similarities, and some differences which could be good for us.
Optimistic about a most of the signings this summer. Still very sceptical about the big signings last summer, but it feels like Nourry had learnt some lessons, though I doubt he’d admit it. Interested to see what happens with Colback’s replacement, whether we do go with what we have at left back, and whether bring in another forward.
Still very pessimistic about Nourry himself and the overall running of the club. The way he carries himself is poor. The way he communicates is poor. His stakeholder management is poor. His honesty and integrity is very questionable. I think he’s more “jobs for the boys” than anyone we’ve had at the club since Redknapp, and I think his judgement is questionable. There are so many better ways to have done certain things. And I fear American money replacing Ruben’s…
So optimistic and on the playing side - as is often the case in July - and will be cheering the team on when the season gets going. Still concerned with our senior executives though. |  | | |
| How optimistic are you now? on 10:37 - Jul 1 with 808 views | londonscottish |
| How optimistic are you now? on 09:57 - Jul 1 by Hunterhoop |
Optimistic about the manager. I was a fan of Cifuentes. Thought he was a very good manager, had a bit of class about him and got the club. But I’m hopeful and supportive of the new fella. I see some similarities, and some differences which could be good for us.
Optimistic about a most of the signings this summer. Still very sceptical about the big signings last summer, but it feels like Nourry had learnt some lessons, though I doubt he’d admit it. Interested to see what happens with Colback’s replacement, whether we do go with what we have at left back, and whether bring in another forward.
Still very pessimistic about Nourry himself and the overall running of the club. The way he carries himself is poor. The way he communicates is poor. His stakeholder management is poor. His honesty and integrity is very questionable. I think he’s more “jobs for the boys” than anyone we’ve had at the club since Redknapp, and I think his judgement is questionable. There are so many better ways to have done certain things. And I fear American money replacing Ruben’s…
So optimistic and on the playing side - as is often the case in July - and will be cheering the team on when the season gets going. Still concerned with our senior executives though. |
I like the way you talk about Nourry
"The way he carries himself is poor. The way he communicates is poor. His stakeholder management is poor. His honesty and integrity is very questionable.
If he just spoke to us like grown ups none of us would be so suspicious of him. But he won't. Why? I have no idea. But he's creating a bad feeling that's totally unnecessary. | |
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