| Julien Stéphan 16:28 - Aug 23 with 9500 views | ted_hendrix |
I don't know what to say, do you? |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:43 - Aug 23 with 2295 views | enfieldargh |
Have we ever successfully played it out from a goal kick ? |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:44 - Aug 23 with 2294 views | bosh67 |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
This sadly and rather depressingly makes me think about the film 'The Producers'
Springtime for Hitler and Germany.
For me it feels like the culmination of many seasons finally descending on us. Well, it does right now.
I was hopeful with Steve Bould in but must admit my concerns started before the season when they did the training session video and he was trying to explain what he wanted and the players looked completely baffled.
I am not blaming Steve but clearly the players don't understand their roles or basically any instruction at the moment. Thank God for the International break coming soon, although it feels like we've been on it for several weeks.
Is Stephan out of his depth Clive? Or is he just the l'bloke put in charge of the spreadsheet behind?
Meard, whatever it is. [Post edited 23 Aug 17:46]
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:47 - Aug 23 with 2232 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
Exactly.
Game model, which means the formation and approach, is set by Nourry. Nourry was the one who spent ages at the fans forum talking formations…not Stephan.
Fitness (hahaha?!), is owned by Williams, who reports to Nourry, not Stephan.
Set Piece Coach reports to Nourry, not Stephan.
Head of Methodology (De Souza) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. Seems to be responsible for implementing the game model across the club.
Head of Player Development (Betsy) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. He’s responsible for the one on one training of our players, and their personal development.
Defensive Coach (Bould) does not report to Stephan, I believe. I think it is De Souza. (Not 100% sure on that one)
Nourry made the call on Walsh over Nardi. It was told to Stephan. It was made before pre-season, so Stephan can’t have made it anyway.
Head of Recruitment (inc Data) (Belk) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. Nourry makes the signings and has final say on them. You think Stephan knows League One inside out, or that Cifuentes wanted Madsen and Celar?!
Just consider all this.
There is only one man sailing this ship, and it is Christian Nourry, the child king, with his 10 years’ experience in football and well know experience in the Championship.
Ruben needs to act. [Post edited 23 Aug 19:20]
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:48 - Aug 23 with 2229 views | MelakaRanger |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
The fish rots from the head. Julien Stéphan is nearer the tail than the head but he is in my mind useless. 5 nil down, 47 mins in and his answer is to bring on Madsen. Sums it up really.
With Nourry and his cronies in charge Marti only delayed the inevitable
Nothing will change for the better until we have real “proper “ football men in charge and ideally as owners too.
Yes Stéphan is out of his depth but Nourry et al are far far worse
For many years Clive has been saying that QPR is being slowly killed by the kindness of our owners. Well after today it seems we are on a pathway to end of life |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:48 - Aug 23 with 2196 views | Gloucs_R |
Critchley Mark II
Sadly.
He won't be given time. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:51 - Aug 23 with 2136 views | LeedsR |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
Sounds similar to what it was like with Flabio picking the team before the actual managers were allowed to do their job. Ffs. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:51 - Aug 23 with 2129 views | Esox_Lucius |
Nourry, va tu faire futre!
*edited [Post edited 23 Aug 19:11]
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:55 - Aug 23 with 2060 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
I know you're not happy, but that isn't entirely fair. There needs to be a bit of balance.
Those three you mentioned did not set up the team to be that open today, nor did they decide not to start Mbengue at CB and decide to bring him on at RB.
The coach picks the team and sets them up, the gaps in midfield were f#ckin huge. That's on the coach. Yes there is a 'game model', but that doesn't mean a coach spaces his CM 20 yards apart!
Stephan comes across very naive regarding English football.
What I will add is why have we not bought a CM or two? It's nuts and that is 100% on CN. If you want a game model that includes playing out from the back you better have midfielders who are comfortable on the ball. We don't.
If this result is the catalyst for us signing some decent CM then it might, weirdly be the best thing that could have happened. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 17:55 - Aug 23 with 2056 views | bongo_king |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
It increasingly looks like that, both metaphorically and literally.
Post Plymouth interview conveyed the metaphorical for me. This kind of glazed smile saying "I was told to play this team".
Now it can be argued that it's a poor metric as they are 5-10 min snippets of the week, but the inside training vids ring alarm bells... it is mainly drills walking balls past de facto dummies into pop up goals or hammering past helpless keepers.... the kind of stuff I did at different non-pro levels. Compare that to the intense and fascinating (or at least I found them) exercises under MC.
A more cynical man than myself may say that a French CEO hired a French manager working outside his native country for the first time as that's a lot easier to control than a Catalan who's worked in half a dozen countries / leagues or a manager of any nationality who's already experienced England...
Interested to see how this plays out. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:09 - Aug 23 with 1865 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:48 - Aug 23 by MelakaRanger |
The fish rots from the head. Julien Stéphan is nearer the tail than the head but he is in my mind useless. 5 nil down, 47 mins in and his answer is to bring on Madsen. Sums it up really.
With Nourry and his cronies in charge Marti only delayed the inevitable
Nothing will change for the better until we have real “proper “ football men in charge and ideally as owners too.
Yes Stéphan is out of his depth but Nourry et al are far far worse
For many years Clive has been saying that QPR is being slowly killed by the kindness of our owners. Well after today it seems we are on a pathway to end of life |
"For many years Clive has been saying that QPR is being slowly killed by the kindness of our owner".
That probably sums it up. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and, in this case, he needs to be cruel and go now to let us try to sort the club out without him | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:12 - Aug 23 with 1801 views | ted_hendrix |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:47 - Aug 23 by Hunterhoop |
Exactly.
Game model, which means the formation and approach, is set by Nourry. Nourry was the one who spent ages at the fans forum talking formations…not Stephan.
Fitness (hahaha?!), is owned by Williams, who reports to Nourry, not Stephan.
Set Piece Coach reports to Nourry, not Stephan.
Head of Methodology (De Souza) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. Seems to be responsible for implementing the game model across the club.
Head of Player Development (Betsy) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. He’s responsible for the one on one training of our players, and their personal development.
Defensive Coach (Bould) does not report to Stephan, I believe. I think it is De Souza. (Not 100% sure on that one)
Nourry made the call on Walsh over Nardi. It was told to Stephan. It was made before pre-season, so Stephan can’t have made it anyway.
Head of Recruitment (inc Data) (Belk) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. Nourry makes the signings and has final say on them. You think Stephan knows League One inside out, or that Cifuentes wanted Madsen and Celar?!
Just consider all this.
There is only one man sailing this ship, and it is Christian Nourry, the child king, with his 10 years’ experience in football and well know experience in the Championship.
Ruben needs to act. [Post edited 23 Aug 19:20]
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Showing my Ignorance here but how do you know these are facts?
**Set Piece Coach reports to Nourry, not Stephan.** surely not?
**Game model, which means the formation and approach, is set by Nourry. Nourry was the one who spent ages at the fans forum talking formations…not Nourry.** I don't understand that statement at all?
I hate to be a pain but you've got me scratching my head thinking surely not. | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 18:12 - Aug 23 with 1798 views | slmrstid |
The man just comes across as nothing as a puppet to me who's happy to take an easy salary, but a teenager on Reddit told a dinosaur like me a few weeks ago he's a much improved manager over Marti and Nourry is doing an amazing squad building job so I'm sure I'm wrong. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:13 - Aug 23 with 1783 views | highleverhoopL |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones lads.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. He’s not even responsible for our set pieces, and the guy that is doesn’t report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons. |
Why on earth did someone at his level sign up for this? Didn't he have decent offers in France? | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:15 - Aug 23 with 1733 views | BushRanger82 |
Someone's head needs to roll.
And as it can't be Nourry, or Ruben, or any of the untouchables, it has to be the man styling himself as a first team coach.
He lost me after the Plymouth debacle in the cup.
No first team coach worth his salt would play a 3rd string in a competitive first team cup tie, against lower league opposition, lose, having had a 2 goal lead, and claim he was proud.
Sorry, but he has to go. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan (n/t) on 18:20 - Aug 23 with 1642 views | amhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:12 - Aug 23 by ted_hendrix |
Showing my Ignorance here but how do you know these are facts?
**Set Piece Coach reports to Nourry, not Stephan.** surely not?
**Game model, which means the formation and approach, is set by Nourry. Nourry was the one who spent ages at the fans forum talking formations…not Nourry.** I don't understand that statement at all?
I hate to be a pain but you've got me scratching my head thinking surely not. |
https://theaspa.org/jobs/f/head-of-set-pieces?blogcategory=Placement+%2F+Interns [Post edited 23 Aug 18:22]
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| Julien Stéphan on 18:28 - Aug 23 with 1499 views | Harbour |
Marti could manage to get a tune out of the squad it’s early days but I am getting the feeling Stéphan is not up to it. To be fair the squad is deficient and injuries not helping but at the end of the day the defending is like Sunday league level and that is down to him. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:44 - Aug 23 with 1392 views | QPunkR |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:34 - Aug 23 by robith |
If I don't like the puppet show I'm watching, feels strange to get mad at the strings |
One of the best posts I've read on this disgusting situation |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 18:46 - Aug 23 with 1351 views | connell10 |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:28 - Aug 23 by Harbour |
Marti could manage to get a tune out of the squad it’s early days but I am getting the feeling Stéphan is not up to it. To be fair the squad is deficient and injuries not helping but at the end of the day the defending is like Sunday league level and that is down to him. |
Personally I'd sack him tonight, I'm not usually like this as I like given a person a chance to prove themselves but I've just got this bad feeling that our coach is really out of his depth. According to some on here our first 10 games were ment to be winnable then after that we have a tough run. So time is of the essence, so I'd sack him sooner rather than later. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 18:54 - Aug 23 with 1216 views | numptydumpty |
I actually dont think Stephan has any control whatsoever about the team, the selctions, the signings and the tactics.
Nourry is in control of everything.
He has his stooges in place in Williams and De Sousa and Stephan came because he wanted a job whatever it was.
The ex Norwich manager turned us down. Sure it was because of the control freak Nourry.
Its all very well to have a fans forum before the start of the season
Have one next week Christian and balls up as to who is making what decisions
We all know you picked the Plymouth team and this loading sh*t.
You are not a football man You know about technology but football is an actual sport played by humans not chatbots !!!
The project has failed.
Hoos Reuben and others get rid of this clown first and foremost and get rid of the plum that wont allow us to see our favourite players play.
We are a circus.
Great bet for relegation unless we take action right now, please.
The fans arent interested anymore in this f**k awful project.
I would not get rid of Stephan. Let him have control of the team selection but this set up is only heading one way
League two by 2028 !!!!
This is a turning point.
Plea to the owners , act now because this is an absolute clown show of epic proportions.
I dont normally get so angry about QPR but this set up is bordering on fraudulent.
Get people that understand about football and send back the crypto guys back to their proper jobs. They dont know f all about football !!! |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 19:02 - Aug 23 with 1114 views | VancouverHoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:34 - Aug 23 by robith |
If I don't like the puppet show I'm watching, feels strange to get mad at the strings |
But not the puppet master. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:03 - Aug 23 with 1088 views | essextaxiboy |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:46 - Aug 23 by connell10 |
Personally I'd sack him tonight, I'm not usually like this as I like given a person a chance to prove themselves but I've just got this bad feeling that our coach is really out of his depth. According to some on here our first 10 games were ment to be winnable then after that we have a tough run. So time is of the essence, so I'd sack him sooner rather than later. |
That was my gut reaction after today but if as Clive says the next cab on the rank is a clone of the last one I cant see the point .
It seems clear from training videos , melancholy interviews and performances that the players are not on board , either after the way Marti left or the fact that the new coach is just following instructions with next to no power .
This nonsense with Walsh , Madsen getting minutes every game , gifting the development squad a first team appearance to enhance their value without merit being involved at all . Stephan needs to go rogue and run it his way as I think Nourry will burn through coaches before falling on his sword .. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:04 - Aug 23 with 1079 views | Northernr |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:55 - Aug 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I know you're not happy, but that isn't entirely fair. There needs to be a bit of balance.
Those three you mentioned did not set up the team to be that open today, nor did they decide not to start Mbengue at CB and decide to bring him on at RB.
The coach picks the team and sets them up, the gaps in midfield were f#ckin huge. That's on the coach. Yes there is a 'game model', but that doesn't mean a coach spaces his CM 20 yards apart!
Stephan comes across very naive regarding English football.
What I will add is why have we not bought a CM or two? It's nuts and that is 100% on CN. If you want a game model that includes playing out from the back you better have midfielders who are comfortable on the ball. We don't.
If this result is the catalyst for us signing some decent CM then it might, weirdly be the best thing that could have happened. |
Nah I’m sorry. You’ve been on here all summer talking about how exciting this all is, starting threads about how Nourry is cooking, hammering other posters who are concerned. You’re not chucking the head coach under the bus now.
Own it. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:06 - Aug 23 with 1038 views | flynnbo |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:51 - Aug 23 by Esox_Lucius |
Nourry, va tu faire futre!
*edited [Post edited 23 Aug 19:11]
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Va te faire foutre. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:07 - Aug 23 with 1017 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:54 - Aug 23 by numptydumpty |
I actually dont think Stephan has any control whatsoever about the team, the selctions, the signings and the tactics.
Nourry is in control of everything.
He has his stooges in place in Williams and De Sousa and Stephan came because he wanted a job whatever it was.
The ex Norwich manager turned us down. Sure it was because of the control freak Nourry.
Its all very well to have a fans forum before the start of the season
Have one next week Christian and balls up as to who is making what decisions
We all know you picked the Plymouth team and this loading sh*t.
You are not a football man You know about technology but football is an actual sport played by humans not chatbots !!!
The project has failed.
Hoos Reuben and others get rid of this clown first and foremost and get rid of the plum that wont allow us to see our favourite players play.
We are a circus.
Great bet for relegation unless we take action right now, please.
The fans arent interested anymore in this f**k awful project.
I would not get rid of Stephan. Let him have control of the team selection but this set up is only heading one way
League two by 2028 !!!!
This is a turning point.
Plea to the owners , act now because this is an absolute clown show of epic proportions.
I dont normally get so angry about QPR but this set up is bordering on fraudulent.
Get people that understand about football and send back the crypto guys back to their proper jobs. They dont know f all about football !!! |
But, isn't the point you make about CN not being a football man exactly why you have Steve Bould, De Souza, Kevin Betsy, etc, in those positions?
They have years of experience within football at higher levels than QPR. Isn't that a good thing?
Hoos was given dogs abuse on this forum. Now, he should step in. Why would he?
And if Nourry picks the team, then bar Mbengue, nobody seemed to worried about it before KO.
Signings CN makes, and again, everyone was happy with Kone, Mbengue, etc.
Maybe the coach just got it badly wrong today. | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 19:08 - Aug 23 with 1008 views | Northernr |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:12 - Aug 23 by ted_hendrix |
Showing my Ignorance here but how do you know these are facts?
**Set Piece Coach reports to Nourry, not Stephan.** surely not?
**Game model, which means the formation and approach, is set by Nourry. Nourry was the one who spent ages at the fans forum talking formations…not Nourry.** I don't understand that statement at all?
I hate to be a pain but you've got me scratching my head thinking surely not. |
This is the job advert, and his direct reports.
https://theaspa.org/jobs/f/head-of-set-pieces?blogcategory=Placement+%2F+Interns | | | |
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