| Julien Stéphan 16:28 - Aug 23 with 17910 views | ted_hendrix |
I don't know what to say, do you? |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 10:37 - Aug 25 with 1441 views | terryb |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:28 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
Then just state your point without hiding behind inference. |
Inference is just another word for perception.
I certainly didn't percieven the inference that you have. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:37 - Aug 25 with 1441 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:28 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
Then just state your point without hiding behind inference. |
I think you are being a bit of knob.
Hope that is clear and without inference. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:48 - Aug 25 with 1379 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Julien Stéphan on 09:15 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
But the inference was there. I just find that odd. |
I find it more odd that you continually look for and seemingly find avenues to excuse Nourry of accountability.
Your own inference on the last page is that Stephan is carrying the can on this one which seemingly - in your mind / inference - clears Nourry of any wrongdoing once again. We'll just conveniently ignore that Nourry chased the last coach out of the building and in fact paid him money to leave for a bigger job despite him having a clause in his contract that would have seen us gain money from him leaving, not losing it.
What about us playing a team full of school kids at Plymouth? Or us persistently picking a GK that now conceded 6 goals and 7 goals in two separate games within his first 5 league starts for us? Is that all a Stephan whim too?
The denial in the face of clear evidence is absolutely wild and is behavior which has followed any / every narcissistic dictator that has ever been. Do try to wake up to it.
*there's no inference in this post by the way. It's absolutely what I believe based on what I can see and I'll wear that - right or wrong. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:11 - Aug 25 with 1233 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:37 - Aug 25 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think you are being a bit of knob.
Hope that is clear and without inference. |
There we go, descends into name calling. No surprise there. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:18 - Aug 25 with 1191 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I've just looked on the Coventry equivalent and having done so, I'm going to come right out and say it, and frankly, I genuinely don't give a flying fck whom I offend: None of this would have happened if we'd won 7-1! |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 11:39 - Aug 25 with 1091 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:04 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Nah I’m sorry. You’ve been on here all summer talking about how exciting this all is, starting threads about how Nourry is cooking, hammering other posters who are concerned. You’re not chucking the head coach under the bus now.
Own it. |
You're mixing the stated club 'game model' with in-game tactics. They are two separate things.
The game model is there as a framework for how all teams at the club try to play, nothing more. Nearly all clubs have this today, and it's not set by a manager/coach its by the DoF and his team. Its not new in football or other sports, just at QPR.
The coach then implements it in training and on match days for his/her team whether that is the u8s, womens or 1st team.
If it goes well or badly on matchday then that is down to the coach no one else. Fitness is not a part of the club game model, it is separate.
I struggle to see how saying the gaps were to big in midfield 'is throwing him under the bus'? It's just pointing out the obvious. I haven't called for him to be sacked, I think we should back him.
What I did say in my original post, and you didn't acknowledge it, was that I made it very clear that not buying 2 or 3 CM was nuts and very much CN fault. The game model of passing up the pitch needs a CM that can retain the ball. It's unfair to put a coach in that position when he doesn't have the players to implement it and exactly the same situation that happened to Cifuentes last season.
There is a few days left of the transfer window and hopefully they will address it. If not then Stèphan will be in exactly the same place as Cifuentes was 12 months ago. | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 11:40 - Aug 25 with 1083 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:48 - Aug 25 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I find it more odd that you continually look for and seemingly find avenues to excuse Nourry of accountability.
Your own inference on the last page is that Stephan is carrying the can on this one which seemingly - in your mind / inference - clears Nourry of any wrongdoing once again. We'll just conveniently ignore that Nourry chased the last coach out of the building and in fact paid him money to leave for a bigger job despite him having a clause in his contract that would have seen us gain money from him leaving, not losing it.
What about us playing a team full of school kids at Plymouth? Or us persistently picking a GK that now conceded 6 goals and 7 goals in two separate games within his first 5 league starts for us? Is that all a Stephan whim too?
The denial in the face of clear evidence is absolutely wild and is behavior which has followed any / every narcissistic dictator that has ever been. Do try to wake up to it.
*there's no inference in this post by the way. It's absolutely what I believe based on what I can see and I'll wear that - right or wrong. |
As you’re perfectly entitled to PS. I don’t have a problem with that whatsoever, and I agree with many of your points, but I and others could equally provide a list of the positive things we believe Nourry has achieved. I have stated on plenty of occasions that Nourry has made plenty of mistakes and miss steps and he looks to be trying to push this development squad forward too much and too soon. They are clearly not ready.
He’s is not the Messiah or the devil incarnate. He’s an inexperienced CEO trying to find his way and making mistakes, but the fundamental approach is a good one. He may or may not survive the season, the results on the field may or may not dictate that.
As for JS, he is the one responsible for the players and their mentality. If the recruitment proves to be completely wrong and the required players are not acquired to make us competitive, then Nourry must cop for it. But there is no excuse for the players not turning up on match day.They all but gave up, which was an insult to the fans.
I can promise you, I am not in denial or asleep. I see the same shit as you, but we are 3 games in and I personally will continue to bite down on my gum shield for now and give it a bit more time. If others want blood now, that’s their prerogative. Fair play. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:59 - Aug 25 with 964 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:37 - Aug 25 by terryb |
Inference is just another word for perception.
I certainly didn't percieven the inference that you have. |
No it isn’t.
And I don’t understand your second sentence. | | | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 12:06 - Aug 25 with 936 views | kensalriser |
Just to help people express what they want to say and not something else:
Infer:
deduce or conclude (something) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.
Imply:
to communicate an idea or feeling without saying it directly.
Using infer instead of imply was a Minder favourite in the running joke of Arthur’s malapropisms. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 12:11 - Aug 25 with 913 views | oldchap |
I am struggling to understand the logic of what you are saying. There must be a thread that links model to tactics otherwise it makes no sense. The tactician must devise a plan for players that is consistent with the game model. To do so the tactical commander is given the resources so that the game model is achieved.
You say that twice now, the strategist who devised the model has failed to provide the correct resources to make the model work, but the fault does not lie with the person who devised the plan and selects the resources!
This is surely fundamental? If someone sends me on a cruise ship with nice cabins, great entertainment and excellent food but the boat has no engine and cannot float then the good stuff is meaningless.
My view FWIW, is that if the hierarchy learn from their mistakes, improve as a result then maybe it will come good. It looks currently that 'if' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:13 - Aug 25 with 897 views | johncharles |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:59 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
No it isn’t.
And I don’t understand your second sentence. |
It was an attempt to introduce humour into this desperately gloomy thread |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 12:14 - Aug 25 with 887 views | bullshootr |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:06 - Aug 25 by kensalriser |
Just to help people express what they want to say and not something else:
Infer:
deduce or conclude (something) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.
Imply:
to communicate an idea or feeling without saying it directly.
Using infer instead of imply was a Minder favourite in the running joke of Arthur’s malapropisms. |
I thought “infer indoors” was the running Minder joke. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:24 - Aug 25 with 843 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:39 - Aug 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
You're mixing the stated club 'game model' with in-game tactics. They are two separate things.
The game model is there as a framework for how all teams at the club try to play, nothing more. Nearly all clubs have this today, and it's not set by a manager/coach its by the DoF and his team. Its not new in football or other sports, just at QPR.
The coach then implements it in training and on match days for his/her team whether that is the u8s, womens or 1st team.
If it goes well or badly on matchday then that is down to the coach no one else. Fitness is not a part of the club game model, it is separate.
I struggle to see how saying the gaps were to big in midfield 'is throwing him under the bus'? It's just pointing out the obvious. I haven't called for him to be sacked, I think we should back him.
What I did say in my original post, and you didn't acknowledge it, was that I made it very clear that not buying 2 or 3 CM was nuts and very much CN fault. The game model of passing up the pitch needs a CM that can retain the ball. It's unfair to put a coach in that position when he doesn't have the players to implement it and exactly the same situation that happened to Cifuentes last season.
There is a few days left of the transfer window and hopefully they will address it. If not then Stèphan will be in exactly the same place as Cifuentes was 12 months ago. |
The amount of contradiction in this post makes it appear it were written by multiple people. It reads like Gollum talking to himself. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:32 - Aug 25 with 797 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:13 - Aug 25 by johncharles |
It was an attempt to introduce humour into this desperately gloomy thread |
Apologies John, went straight over my head. Too busy trying to defend my corner. Tough gig on this thread. Should have known better😬 | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:48 - Aug 25 with 728 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:11 - Aug 25 by oldchap |
I am struggling to understand the logic of what you are saying. There must be a thread that links model to tactics otherwise it makes no sense. The tactician must devise a plan for players that is consistent with the game model. To do so the tactical commander is given the resources so that the game model is achieved.
You say that twice now, the strategist who devised the model has failed to provide the correct resources to make the model work, but the fault does not lie with the person who devised the plan and selects the resources!
This is surely fundamental? If someone sends me on a cruise ship with nice cabins, great entertainment and excellent food but the boat has no engine and cannot float then the good stuff is meaningless.
My view FWIW, is that if the hierarchy learn from their mistakes, improve as a result then maybe it will come good. It looks currently that 'if' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. |
The recruitment (resource) is still a work in progress old chap.
The recruitment this year appears to be better than last year and in line with what we require for this league as opposed to bringing in players from abroad, based on stats and with no experience in English football.
Some consider that to be lessons learned from the mistakes of last summer’s recruitment. Only time will tell. Just need to get them all out on the pitch together…..fully motivated if possible. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:56 - Aug 25 with 676 views | BushRanger82 |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:48 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
The recruitment (resource) is still a work in progress old chap.
The recruitment this year appears to be better than last year and in line with what we require for this league as opposed to bringing in players from abroad, based on stats and with no experience in English football.
Some consider that to be lessons learned from the mistakes of last summer’s recruitment. Only time will tell. Just need to get them all out on the pitch together…..fully motivated if possible. |
And fully fit, if possible. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:03 - Aug 25 with 649 views | oldchap |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:48 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
The recruitment (resource) is still a work in progress old chap.
The recruitment this year appears to be better than last year and in line with what we require for this league as opposed to bringing in players from abroad, based on stats and with no experience in English football.
Some consider that to be lessons learned from the mistakes of last summer’s recruitment. Only time will tell. Just need to get them all out on the pitch together…..fully motivated if possible. |
Thank you, my comments were addressed to WWC.
I am intrigued as to why you refer to the recruitment as a work in progress?
Firstly, I thought the chap in charge had a deep understanding of the European football scene?
Secondly, I understand his background is in data analysis
Thirdly, I understand we had an experienced data team in situ, with presumably a wealth of player information- I think there have been quotes as to players we have tracked for several years?
It is a bit concerning if the club has gone through such a radical change programme if the player recruitment bit was a "work in progress "?
I agree with your sentiment regarding hope of better things to come and it is good to see positive perspectives too. Interesting times. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:27 - Aug 25 with 594 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:03 - Aug 25 by oldchap |
Thank you, my comments were addressed to WWC.
I am intrigued as to why you refer to the recruitment as a work in progress?
Firstly, I thought the chap in charge had a deep understanding of the European football scene?
Secondly, I understand his background is in data analysis
Thirdly, I understand we had an experienced data team in situ, with presumably a wealth of player information- I think there have been quotes as to players we have tracked for several years?
It is a bit concerning if the club has gone through such a radical change programme if the player recruitment bit was a "work in progress "?
I agree with your sentiment regarding hope of better things to come and it is good to see positive perspectives too. Interesting times. |
Kind of ironic that as I write this, a club announcement pops up stating we have just signed Issac Hayden. Not everybody’s cup of tea, but an experienced midfield player, been here before and played premiership football.
Work in progress for me, means still in the process of something (recruitment), but not yet complete.
Hence the irony above.
Now look forward to the forum members berating this new recruit as unacceptable and Nourry should be beheaded. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:10 - Aug 25 with 421 views | francisbowles |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:27 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
Kind of ironic that as I write this, a club announcement pops up stating we have just signed Issac Hayden. Not everybody’s cup of tea, but an experienced midfield player, been here before and played premiership football.
Work in progress for me, means still in the process of something (recruitment), but not yet complete.
Hence the irony above.
Now look forward to the forum members berating this new recruit as unacceptable and Nourry should be beheaded. |
Perhaps in light of Saturday they have caved in to Hayden's demands, otherwise this would have been done weeks or months ago. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:28 - Aug 25 with 364 views | Damo1962 |
| Julien Stéphan on 22:34 - Aug 24 by daveB |
game model, what a load of old cobblers
The club have spent 15 years now talking about models and projets and pathways.
We had a short spell under Warbs where we raised standards with good senior pros like Pugh, Wallace, Austin and Johansen and tried to win the next football match in front of us which brought a good side and helped us to sell Eze for big money but we've since gone back to bigger picture, results don't matter we are a development club
So here we are, results don't matter, the aim of the club is to sell someone not to achieve anything on the pitch. It's painful to watch amd I'm fast losing interest in it, not been to a game yet this season due to holiday and not missed it at all, have no plans to do an away game anytime soon either.
For me the only way out of this is to take the hit, get relegated which will get these clowns out of the club and we can start again. If we manage to stay up this year which I'd still say is quite likely it will just be the same again next year |
Strangely enough, finally falling into L1 may be the best thing that could happen to us. That is of course a long term view, short term I want us to win and stay up. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:37 - Aug 25 with 333 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:10 - Aug 25 by francisbowles |
Perhaps in light of Saturday they have caved in to Hayden's demands, otherwise this would have been done weeks or months ago. |
Must have called him on Saturday night and got him in yesterday for the photo’s and interview for publishing today.
Same with RND.
Wow, impressive. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:50 - Aug 25 with 312 views | KensalT |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:37 - Aug 25 by Burnleyhoop |
Must have called him on Saturday night and got him in yesterday for the photo’s and interview for publishing today.
Same with RND.
Wow, impressive. |
They might have been waiting for the Eze deal to go through before finalising the incomings.
Either that or they were being saved up to be unveiled just in time for the open training day to get a few punters in.
Don't be surprised to see Saito announced before the end of today.
Nourry does have form for these smoke and mirrors tricks. [Post edited 25 Aug 15:58]
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| Julien Stéphan on 16:07 - Aug 25 with 260 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 15:50 - Aug 25 by KensalT |
They might have been waiting for the Eze deal to go through before finalising the incomings.
Either that or they were being saved up to be unveiled just in time for the open training day to get a few punters in.
Don't be surprised to see Saito announced before the end of today.
Nourry does have form for these smoke and mirrors tricks. [Post edited 25 Aug 15:58]
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Some appear to believe that the signings were made straight after and in response to, the Saturday debacle.
My post was sarcasm. A failing that I do struggle with and one which gets me in bother, but hey ho. | | | |
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