| Julien Stéphan 16:28 - Aug 23 with 32723 views | ted_hendrix |
I don't know what to say, do you? |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 14:28 - Aug 26 with 3936 views | cpgerber |
Is it fact that CN make the call of Walsh, the game plan, the fitness strategy, etc?
I'm not saying its not, but why are people saying it is so? I mean, where is the evidence that CN said "Walsh #1" and JS just went with it? |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 14:30 - Aug 26 with 3901 views | wombat |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:33 - Aug 26 by R_from_afar |
Great post!
With all these key members of staff illogically reporting to the CEO not the manager/head coach, the club is making it very difficult for Stephan, or indeed, *any* manager/head coach, to do their job. I despair, I really do 
The structure is cumbersome, complicated and counterproductive. How will we ever know if Stephan, or whoever the next poor sod is, are any good? There's so little they control.
It's madness.  |
why do you think it took so long to find the next victim to be coach ? no sane coach from any league will work under this dictatorship.I love that the style of football is dicated by somebody who never been involved in runing a football team , not been involved in coaching , but he had briefly sat behind a desk in his mates office for a few months ,
hes then oppened up his laptop and gone how did the last ten teamns who got promoted do it .
Ok thats how we will play because the laptop says its the right way , ill surround myself by people who also like to say yes to me and this will be my way .
ive said it before but with his alleged experince (cough) he shouldnt had made the interview stage let alone been given the job . thats down to hoos wanting an easy life ,
I cant believe questions wasnt asked by rueben etc that the person tasked with finding the right person to take over over Hoos was the person tasked with finding the person who was given the job , did we pay a finders fee i wonder to his mates company ? |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 16:27 - Aug 26 with 3608 views | SimplyNico |
Managers and coaches will, and frequently do, take on jobs with basket case clubs. Watford is the current prime example (and before them, it was Leeds in the Cellino era, both of which have provided something of a cottage industry to lawyers acting for the manager/coach fraternity).
The reality is that the incoming manager/coach has a free swing. Everyone knows that the particular club has something batshit about it. The only thing that can happen is that a reputation is enhanced as a result of working through the stupidity (see, for example, Leicester's current coach). |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 16:55 - Aug 26 with 3481 views | gazza1 |
| Julien Stéphan on 14:28 - Aug 26 by cpgerber |
Is it fact that CN make the call of Walsh, the game plan, the fitness strategy, etc?
I'm not saying its not, but why are people saying it is so? I mean, where is the evidence that CN said "Walsh #1" and JS just went with it? |
There is no evidence that I have seen, just posters giving their own view, ideas & reasons why Walsh is currently No 1......interesting to see what will happen in the next game,. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:46 - Aug 26 with 3318 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 16:55 - Aug 26 by gazza1 |
There is no evidence that I have seen, just posters giving their own view, ideas & reasons why Walsh is currently No 1......interesting to see what will happen in the next game,. |
A friend of mine was told by a family friend of Joe Walsh’s that he had been told he was the number 1 for this season and the club were looking to move on Nardi. That was a week or so after Stephan was appointed and the morning of the Stevenage game (first pre-season friendly). But it was clear that Walsh had been told before then (so a maximum of days from Stephan joining. My mate wasn’t sure whether to believe the bloke. Neither was I. Since then…
Did Stephan really make that call within a few days of joining, and decide not to even look at Nardi in a pre-season friendly?? Believe that if you want. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:52 - Aug 26 with 3275 views | FDC |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:52 - Aug 26 by Wegerles_Stairs |
The main problem Stephan has is that QPR supporters in general like a strong personality as manager. They don't like introverts or characters who seem low key. So when he's being told who to play in goal or who to play in cup matches, it makes him appear weak. Even if he was the greatest coach in world at training sessions, they see someone who lacks authority and is a bit beta. Notwithstanding results, that's going to be an issue going forwards. |
Dave Mc talks a bit about this in this evening's WLS pod, pointing out that Marti did well to present as an authoritative figure even when things weren't going well. He suggests that this may partly be a language thing - Marti had excellent English - but also that Stéphan's post match at the weekend was actually fairly good in this regard and that he may hopefully develop this part of his presentation.
Separately it really comes to something when I'm taking comfort in Dave and Kevin's optimism at the end of the pod |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:21 - Aug 26 with 3189 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 13:33 - Aug 26 by R_from_afar |
Great post!
With all these key members of staff illogically reporting to the CEO not the manager/head coach, the club is making it very difficult for Stephan, or indeed, *any* manager/head coach, to do their job. I despair, I really do
The structure is cumbersome, complicated and counterproductive. How will we ever know if Stephan, or whoever the next poor sod is, are any good? There's so little they control.
It's madness. |
Stephan controls the football team and following Saturdays mullering, that’s the one and only thing he should be concentrating on. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:30 - Aug 26 with 3100 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:46 - Aug 26 by Hunterhoop |
A friend of mine was told by a family friend of Joe Walsh’s that he had been told he was the number 1 for this season and the club were looking to move on Nardi. That was a week or so after Stephan was appointed and the morning of the Stevenage game (first pre-season friendly). But it was clear that Walsh had been told before then (so a maximum of days from Stephan joining. My mate wasn’t sure whether to believe the bloke. Neither was I. Since then…
Did Stephan really make that call within a few days of joining, and decide not to even look at Nardi in a pre-season friendly?? Believe that if you want. |
Funny then there has been no talk or rumour about the club actively trying to flog Nardi this month. |  | | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 18:36 - Aug 26 with 3054 views | digswellhoop |
GO | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:37 - Aug 26 with 3043 views | digswellhoop |
he will because poor board | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:38 - Aug 26 with 3044 views | HammersmithR |
I’ve said it before but I was told before Stephan joined that we were after a number 2 keeper with experience. They cannot compete the signing until they have moved Nardi on. They want Nardi out as he has a year left on his contract and they want money for him. I don’t know what the club value him at but if he’s not sold by the transfer window we will be in a sticky situation. I am sure they were not expecting Walsh to be so poor in the first few games. The club shot itself in the foot as he has no experience of proper competitive league football. Murphy is doing well in League 1 and I suspect next summer he will be sold like Kelman was and we will make some money on him as he’s not the right profile for the Championship. But with Nardi as it stands he is better than Walsh. QPR need to win games and with him in the side there’s a greater chance of that happening. Walsh is just a nervous wreck which is a shame. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:43 - Aug 26 with 3002 views | FDC |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:30 - Aug 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Funny then there has been no talk or rumour about the club actively trying to flog Nardi this month. |
Dave Mc said earlier that Nardi has been available for transfer this window but nothing has happened so far , so he expects him to start in Saturday | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:48 - Aug 26 with 2866 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:30 - Aug 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Funny then there has been no talk or rumour about the club actively trying to flog Nardi this month. |
Err, there had, Ned. Pretty sure Dave Mc reported it. That story isn’t made up. Believe that it is if that’s what you want, but you would be wrong. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:49 - Aug 26 with 2856 views | Hunterhoop |
Should add, I want Nardi to start on Saturday because I want us to win the game, and I think he gives us our best chance. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 21:03 - Aug 26 with 2724 views | R_from_afar |
| Julien Stéphan on 18:21 - Aug 26 by Burnleyhoop |
Stephan controls the football team and following Saturdays mullering, that’s the one and only thing he should be concentrating on. |
But
- The game model
- The set piece strategy
- The methodology
- The defensive strategy
are very important to how we play but they are all owned by other coaches, coaches who don't even report to Julien.
How easy can it be for Julien to make the necessary in-game changes when he has to take into account whether they are aligned with the prescribed frameworks?
If you are comfortable with this and don't think it makes Julien's job harder, fine, but to me, that structure looks like an impediment and it worries me, a lot. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 22:45 - Aug 26 with 2482 views | wombat |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:52 - Aug 26 by FDC |
Dave Mc talks a bit about this in this evening's WLS pod, pointing out that Marti did well to present as an authoritative figure even when things weren't going well. He suggests that this may partly be a language thing - Marti had excellent English - but also that Stéphan's post match at the weekend was actually fairly good in this regard and that he may hopefully develop this part of his presentation.
Separately it really comes to something when I'm taking comfort in Dave and Kevin's optimism at the end of the pod |
The key part is makes him appear weak , that’s because he is , sorry sure he’s a lovely guy but why do you think he got the job ? He’s happy to take cash get the boot and have a nice little nest egg, no manger in his right mind is gonna say hey that project nourry and Hoos is cooking give me a bit of that , what nobody reports to me ? You mean nobody ? Yeah go on I’m game for a laugh you know us frenchies we liking shits and giggles .
It dosnt matter anyway as belk will be the first one removed from the project anyway , he’s not nourries man so he will be gone first .
I’m guessing the coach/ yes man lasts till around November possibly December then it’s an exciting run to the end of the season to see if we can stay up no doubt . | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 10:19 - Aug 27 with 2169 views | FDC |
| Julien Stéphan on 22:45 - Aug 26 by wombat |
The key part is makes him appear weak , that’s because he is , sorry sure he’s a lovely guy but why do you think he got the job ? He’s happy to take cash get the boot and have a nice little nest egg, no manger in his right mind is gonna say hey that project nourry and Hoos is cooking give me a bit of that , what nobody reports to me ? You mean nobody ? Yeah go on I’m game for a laugh you know us frenchies we liking shits and giggles .
It dosnt matter anyway as belk will be the first one removed from the project anyway , he’s not nourries man so he will be gone first .
I’m guessing the coach/ yes man lasts till around November possibly December then it’s an exciting run to the end of the season to see if we can stay up no doubt . |
I'm just not sure about this. You might be right. But similarly, lots of coaches / managers work at clubs with similarly structures to ours on paper - especially in Europe.
It's possible that there are aspects of the structure that JS is working in that were not apparent until he was on the ground - like i say on paper things could look one way whereas in practice they work differently. And certainly he would not have anticipated having so many fitness and injury problems.
It's also possible that people are projecting their own misgivings onto JS, assuming that he shares them and is therefore a weakling being pushed around. We can't really know.
Like I said, I've watched some of his interviews and got the impression that he looks a bit uncomfortable with certain questions, and on occasion put that down to the cognitive dissonance of being asked about something as if it were within his remit whereas in reality it's the responsibility of CN or someone else - but that could easily be me projecting.
None of us really know for now, but I think we should at least give him the benefit of not assuming that he's just some cuck being willingly humiliated for a pay cheque! | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:41 - Aug 27 with 2012 views | johncharles |
| Julien Stéphan on 16:34 - Aug 23 by DWQPR |
I know what I’d say. It isn’t pleasant but to me he hasn’t got a clue about team selection. And then we have Steve Bould our defensive coach who won’t be at weekend matches. If ever a defence needed a coach on the touchline to sort out the defence it is now. Just get a proper English manager who knows this league to take charge. And Nourry can do one as well. |
“Hasn’t got a clue about team selection “ or should it be Hasn’t got a say in team selection ? |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 10:43 - Aug 27 with 2003 views | NorthantsHoop |
His future could hinge on getting a result on Saturday. To be honest I have been underwhelmed with what I have seen so far.The team looks totally disjointed and that was demonstrated for a fair amount of the Watford match and exposed ruthlessly at Coventry. Ainsworth, Hasselbank and McLaren all got early season drubbings and they never really recovered, out of the three McLaren got improvements but that hhad faded later in the season. Stephan already for me has the look of one of those. Would have preferred someone like Edwards or Cooper to this bloke, but we are where we are. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:09 - Aug 27 with 1922 views | Rsole |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:19 - Aug 23 by Northernr |
Lads, I love you all, but you’re not paying attention.
He’s bibs, balls and cones.
The whole club is built around those above him. Nourry, Williams and De Souza in particular. The set piece coach they're advertising for doesn’t even report to him.
Sack him. Your next guy would be very similar profile and do very similar things for very similar reasons.
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Bibs and cones won’t break my bones
But selection may well haunt me…. |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Julien Stéphan on 11:21 - Aug 27 with 1846 views | wombat |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:19 - Aug 27 by FDC |
I'm just not sure about this. You might be right. But similarly, lots of coaches / managers work at clubs with similarly structures to ours on paper - especially in Europe.
It's possible that there are aspects of the structure that JS is working in that were not apparent until he was on the ground - like i say on paper things could look one way whereas in practice they work differently. And certainly he would not have anticipated having so many fitness and injury problems.
It's also possible that people are projecting their own misgivings onto JS, assuming that he shares them and is therefore a weakling being pushed around. We can't really know.
Like I said, I've watched some of his interviews and got the impression that he looks a bit uncomfortable with certain questions, and on occasion put that down to the cognitive dissonance of being asked about something as if it were within his remit whereas in reality it's the responsibility of CN or someone else - but that could easily be me projecting.
None of us really know for now, but I think we should at least give him the benefit of not assuming that he's just some cuck being willingly humiliated for a pay cheque! |
at the handily pre season arranged fans forum who did the talking ref formation etc on the pitch ? it wasnt the coach , thats a red flag surely ?
can u imagine the players listening to him on the training ground when they pretty much know hes not pulling the strings ? im sure ill get a few comments well the players must be happy otheriwse why would they extend there deals , that would be money whos gonna turn down a payrise when u can exit the sinking ship when ever u want to . add in the ben williams scenario where he now has more power than he was supposed to already have esp coming on the back of his extended work from home holiday last year , when most companies would have said , dont let the door hit u on the arse on the way out ben .
maybe just maybe if the owners brought in somebody who had kicked a football or been involved with a football club fans would see the project a bit more clearly , it would have to be somebody who says NO christian when needed though . | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 11:52 - Aug 27 with 1744 views | DesertBoot |
It's early days and of course I hope he is successful but Stephan just doesn't have the air of a QPR manager - think Critchley and you'll know what I mean. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 19:45 - Aug 27 with 1371 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 21:03 - Aug 26 by R_from_afar |
But
- The game model
- The set piece strategy
- The methodology
- The defensive strategy
are very important to how we play but they are all owned by other coaches, coaches who don't even report to Julien.
How easy can it be for Julien to make the necessary in-game changes when he has to take into account whether they are aligned with the prescribed frameworks?
If you are comfortable with this and don't think it makes Julien's job harder, fine, but to me, that structure looks like an impediment and it worries me, a lot. |
There is absolutely no way JS is not working closely with all the coaches responsible for the activities you’ve outlined. It has to be a fully integrated system and everyone aligned and on board.
Who officially reports to who should be largely irrelevant. Nourry will simply be responsible for making sure everyone continues to work within the framework across the entire club.
JS cannot oversee every functional element, he simply would not have the time, that’s why you introduce a framework of people working on specifics in order to improve them for the ultimate benefit of the team. It’s a team effort, pure and simple.
Nourry should not be getting involved with picking the team, although I do suspect Plymouth and Walsh are his doing because of his desire to push the development squad forward. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 07:45 - Aug 30 with 882 views | TGRRRSSS |
If he is being told who will play in any specific position then it does show them as weak.
Any manager or head coach if we must needs to be calling the shots with the first team.
Amorim seems wedded to s formation and type of play which ends up with his CD desperately playing at centre forward... |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 08:17 - Aug 30 with 777 views | stevec |
Call me a dinosaur or an old fart if you like but as far as I’m concerned if the manager gets paid to put a team out there then that team immediately becomes his responsibility.
If it goes well he gets the plaudits, if it goes wrong he gets the bullets (verbal of course, in case any sensitive pedants are looking in).
That in itself will feed onto the miscreants above him, far more so than calling out Nourry on message boards and effectively giving the manager a free ride. |  | | |
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