| Julien Stéphan 16:28 - Aug 23 with 34550 views | ted_hendrix |
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| My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic. |
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| Julien Stéphan on 20:51 - Aug 23 with 3039 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Julien Stéphan on 20:28 - Aug 23 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Conspiracy? My god that's ridiculous.
Nourry handles transfers and employs WIlliams to handle fitness, injuries and availability. This has been a disaster for multiple years for both us and the Brooklyn Nets leaving Stephan short of many players I'm sure he'd rather pick.
Nourry has elected to not sign a senior left back to replace Paal which has left Stephan no choice but to play an inexperienced Brazilian teenager and a centre back there.
Nourry has elected to provide only Adamson as an alternative to Dunne at right back which has left Stephan little choice but to play a teenage central midfielder there until today.
Nourry has elected to not sign a single central midfielder leaving Stephan no choice but to shuffle between Field, Varane, Madsen and Morgan. Though one of those was needed as desperation cover in defence.
Nourry elected to sign Nicolas Madsen and now we're all feeling the pain of carrying him with the other 10 players every time he's on the pitch.
Nourry elected to spend 3-4 million quid on the killer combination of Madsen and Celar last year, hampering our ability to sign and field the full backs and central midfield we're so clearly crying out for.
Nourry elected to sign Nardi last year who - irrespective of split fan opinion - has already fallen out of favour dramatically so represent more transfer fees and wages pissed up the wall.
Nourry has elected to sign 5 players so far this summer, none of which improve a central midfield that has bled since Stefan Johansen's legs fell off.
Nourry has elected to continually sign players for the development squad from all over the world whilst the current first team squad is amongst the worst in terms of quality and depth in our history.
Walsh has been mysteriously and immediately promoted the SECOND Marti was forced out and has stayed there since.
Whether he's writing the names on the team sheet or not... He's very much in control of AND accountable for which players are out there trotting about in QPR shirts. And there's plenty of evidence that he's completely fu<ked it up. [Post edited 23 Aug 20:30]
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Great post. Nourry and his cronies have zero accountability because our clueless absentee owners have zero ambition for the club. It’s how we’ve ended up with a 26 year old know-nothing, nobody running every aspect of our football club. What other club would appoint Nourry as CEO and DOF? It’s an insane appointment. The man-child will relegate us. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 20:52 - Aug 23 with 3029 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
My sympathies for him are well below the 2,000 who went to that circus today, but it‘s still there.
Been fed an absolute hospital pass by the club and he who shall not be named.
No way he‘s picking Walsh on his own volition. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 21:08 - Aug 23 with 2851 views | goodlife |
| Julien Stéphan on 20:52 - Aug 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
My sympathies for him are well below the 2,000 who went to that circus today, but it‘s still there.
Been fed an absolute hospital pass by the club and he who shall not be named.
No way he‘s picking Walsh on his own volition. |
Championship is tough, and he has looked out of his depth. Sacked from his lasts Jobs aftet short spells, and will probably not last long here either. It was a tough decision to sack the Spaniard, if it wasnt for Nouri, Martinwould still be here. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 21:11 - Aug 23 with 2801 views | paulparker |
The blokes a patsy
The board needs to go and all the coaching staff as well bar furlong |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Julien Stéphan on 21:23 - Aug 23 with 2706 views | FDC |
| Julien Stéphan on 21:11 - Aug 23 by paulparker |
The blokes a patsy
The board needs to go and all the coaching staff as well bar furlong |
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| Julien Stéphan on 22:00 - Aug 23 with 2534 views | flynnbo |
Ted, I was only watching Golden Gordon last night and today reminded me so much of Barstoneworth. Nearly the same score too! |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 22:10 - Aug 23 with 2480 views | ted_hendrix |
Yea cling on to the humour side of things Mate, tomorrow will be another day, nobody was expecting that result or performance today.
Sadly though our club Is In a worse state than I thought It was, before kick off today I was thinking Coventry scored Five goals last week but they also let In three so we should get at them straight away, (LOL) | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 00:08 - Aug 24 with 2280 views | baz_qpr |
| Julien Stéphan on 20:28 - Aug 23 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Conspiracy? My god that's ridiculous.
Nourry handles transfers and employs WIlliams to handle fitness, injuries and availability. This has been a disaster for multiple years for both us and the Brooklyn Nets leaving Stephan short of many players I'm sure he'd rather pick.
Nourry has elected to not sign a senior left back to replace Paal which has left Stephan no choice but to play an inexperienced Brazilian teenager and a centre back there.
Nourry has elected to provide only Adamson as an alternative to Dunne at right back which has left Stephan little choice but to play a teenage central midfielder there until today.
Nourry has elected to not sign a single central midfielder leaving Stephan no choice but to shuffle between Field, Varane, Madsen and Morgan. Though one of those was needed as desperation cover in defence.
Nourry elected to sign Nicolas Madsen and now we're all feeling the pain of carrying him with the other 10 players every time he's on the pitch.
Nourry elected to spend 3-4 million quid on the killer combination of Madsen and Celar last year, hampering our ability to sign and field the full backs and central midfield we're so clearly crying out for.
Nourry elected to sign Nardi last year who - irrespective of split fan opinion - has already fallen out of favour dramatically so represent more transfer fees and wages pissed up the wall.
Nourry has elected to sign 5 players so far this summer, none of which improve a central midfield that has bled since Stefan Johansen's legs fell off.
Nourry has elected to continually sign players for the development squad from all over the world whilst the current first team squad is amongst the worst in terms of quality and depth in our history.
Walsh has been mysteriously and immediately promoted the SECOND Marti was forced out and has stayed there since.
Whether he's writing the names on the team sheet or not... He's very much in control of AND accountable for which players are out there trotting about in QPR shirts. And there's plenty of evidence that he's completely fu<ked it up. [Post edited 23 Aug 20:30]
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Nourry is not sitting in his office doing it all on his own of the back of football manager. He has a team of people who they employ to identify.
The window has not closed they planned to give Larkeche a run after positive reports after the Scottish loan. He did his ACL they about to sign the Sheff Utd lad on loan.
They signed Madsen they also signed Varane they signed Celar they also signed Morrison what is your point Neil Warnock signed Joey Barton and Shaun Wright Phillips for FFS all managers and all clubs make good and bad signings. When you are shopping at Temu rather than Selfridges you are going to get some bargains and some tat.
And jeeze if you think this is the worst squad in our history I dont know what you've been watching over the last 20 years, let alone the Ainsowrth period
We've just been on the end of a right hiding but the hysteria is so out of proportion to actual reality |  | | |
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| Julien Stéphan on 00:17 - Aug 24 with 2239 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Julien Stéphan on 00:08 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
Nourry is not sitting in his office doing it all on his own of the back of football manager. He has a team of people who they employ to identify.
The window has not closed they planned to give Larkeche a run after positive reports after the Scottish loan. He did his ACL they about to sign the Sheff Utd lad on loan.
They signed Madsen they also signed Varane they signed Celar they also signed Morrison what is your point Neil Warnock signed Joey Barton and Shaun Wright Phillips for FFS all managers and all clubs make good and bad signings. When you are shopping at Temu rather than Selfridges you are going to get some bargains and some tat.
And jeeze if you think this is the worst squad in our history I dont know what you've been watching over the last 20 years, let alone the Ainsowrth period
We've just been on the end of a right hiding but the hysteria is so out of proportion to actual reality |
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Jeez. Can't believe I've just read that. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 00:20 - Aug 24 with 2230 views | connell10 |
| Julien Stéphan on 00:08 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
Nourry is not sitting in his office doing it all on his own of the back of football manager. He has a team of people who they employ to identify.
The window has not closed they planned to give Larkeche a run after positive reports after the Scottish loan. He did his ACL they about to sign the Sheff Utd lad on loan.
They signed Madsen they also signed Varane they signed Celar they also signed Morrison what is your point Neil Warnock signed Joey Barton and Shaun Wright Phillips for FFS all managers and all clubs make good and bad signings. When you are shopping at Temu rather than Selfridges you are going to get some bargains and some tat.
And jeeze if you think this is the worst squad in our history I dont know what you've been watching over the last 20 years, let alone the Ainsowrth period
We've just been on the end of a right hiding but the hysteria is so out of proportion to actual reality |
If in doubt mention Ainsworth. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 01:19 - Aug 24 with 2130 views | Northernr |
| Julien Stéphan on 19:43 - Aug 23 by Hunterhoop |
Ted, you and I have been on this board for a long time. Over 25 years for me. I remember your son, Charlie, on here, road dog (gave me a load of classic rock compilations), obviously Rob and Simon (even wrote for them for a bit on QPR.net), and more. I’ve been around the block and am not posting on nonsense for the sake of it.
Everything I posted (bar Steve Bould’s reporting line which I’m not sure on) is public knowledge. The job advert for the set piece coach was publicly available (Clive has linked to it). Nourry has confirmed publicly over the past 20 odd months those reporting lines. Some of the individuals themselves have confirmed it too.
This is our approach, determined and implemented by Nourry.
The “game model” was his much vaunted idea to have one formation and style of play across all age groups up to the first team to aid progression. He decided what it was to be, not Cifuentes. It involves playing out from the back. Last season, at the start of the season, it had its first outing. We won 2 in 17. Nourry wanted to sack Cifuentes but Ruben stepped in and prevented him. Cifuentes was given the ability to flex from the game model a bit. We went more pragmatic and ran up the league. Towards the end of the season we reverted to the game model and struggled. I don’t know whose choice that was, but given what had gone before and what went on at the end of the season, I can hazard a guess.
Either way, Nourry set the game model and the game model includes the formation and style of play. This season, we are back to the game model and playing out.
Stephan in one of his first interviews actually said “the club have hired me to have the team play a set way.” He is eyes wide open but he is following orders.
I know about the Walsh decision because a friend was told by a family friend of Walsh and this was before any pre season matches. Did Stephan really arrive and within a week decide to ditch last season’s first team keeper? I doubt it.
I have no doubt in the next week they’ll be a strong narrative pushed that the issue is how Stephan is setting up the team, that it is his call, etc, but it is baloney. He has nothing to do with signings and our signings (our army of wingers and 10s) are to play the game model.
Stephan has nothing to do with the fitness of the players. Little more than you or I. That is Ben Williams, who was recommended to the club by Nourry when he was at Retexo and before he became CEO. Williams reports to Nourry in his new, larger, broad remit of “Sporting Operations”.
It has all been made public before.
I know following Rangers this last decade has been trying at best and absolutely sh*te at worst. I know for the more experienced fan it has been easy to zone out, not pay too much close attention, and let it wash over you.
But everything I posted has been public knowledge if you look and listen closely enough.
Nourry and Williams (and Hoos) are the problem. Stephan might be a bad coach or a good coach; we don’t know yet and we may never find out.
Most of knew we had a very good manager in Cifuentes. The decision to axe him was Nourry’s and Nourry’s alone (they couldn’t stand each other). He has to own what comes next. Nobody else.
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| Julien Stéphan on 01:32 - Aug 24 with 2079 views | numptydumpty |
| Julien Stéphan on 17:47 - Aug 23 by Hunterhoop |
Exactly.
Game model, which means the formation and approach, is set by Nourry. Nourry was the one who spent ages at the fans forum talking formations…not Stephan.
Fitness (hahaha?!), is owned by Williams, who reports to Nourry, not Stephan.
Set Piece Coach reports to Nourry, not Stephan.
Head of Methodology (De Souza) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. Seems to be responsible for implementing the game model across the club.
Head of Player Development (Betsy) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. He’s responsible for the one on one training of our players, and their personal development.
Defensive Coach (Bould) does not report to Stephan, I believe. I think it is De Souza. (Not 100% sure on that one)
Nourry made the call on Walsh over Nardi. It was told to Stephan. It was made before pre-season, so Stephan can’t have made it anyway.
Head of Recruitment (inc Data) (Belk) reports to Nourry, not Stephan. Nourry makes the signings and has final say on them. You think Stephan knows League One inside out, or that Cifuentes wanted Madsen and Celar?!
Just consider all this.
There is only one man sailing this ship, and it is Christian Nourry, the child king, with his 10 years’ experience in football and well know experience in the Championship.
Ruben needs to act. [Post edited 23 Aug 19:20]
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Totally this.
Nourry needs to go NOW.
The structure needs completely destroying.
Ever heard the phrase too many cooks spoil the broth.
Why would you want your under 8s , under 9s, under 10s, your women's teams, the development squad all learning a way of playing that they can all then progress through to the first team.
Err.
Have you ever thought if this system isn't working at any levels then we are completely f'd and also arent you then enabling all teams at all levels that play us, will know forevermore exactly the way we play. There is no plan b.
Has any of our overpaid hierarchy ever considered that playing the same system at all levels enables the opposition to combat this and find ways to win as the system and way of playing never changes.
Whoever came up with this genius way of operating a football club, it's beyond laughable.
It's the definition of insanity... |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 01:44 - Aug 24 with 2045 views | Match82 |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:32 - Aug 24 by numptydumpty |
Totally this.
Nourry needs to go NOW.
The structure needs completely destroying.
Ever heard the phrase too many cooks spoil the broth.
Why would you want your under 8s , under 9s, under 10s, your women's teams, the development squad all learning a way of playing that they can all then progress through to the first team.
Err.
Have you ever thought if this system isn't working at any levels then we are completely f'd and also arent you then enabling all teams at all levels that play us, will know forevermore exactly the way we play. There is no plan b.
Has any of our overpaid hierarchy ever considered that playing the same system at all levels enables the opposition to combat this and find ways to win as the system and way of playing never changes.
Whoever came up with this genius way of operating a football club, it's beyond laughable.
It's the definition of insanity... |
I don't hate the theory of it to be honest, but you have to be practical too. You embed key elements of it, say the way Barcelona did with a possession based style of play emphasizing passing technique movement and control,but then give the flexibility to be able to pivot (by age group, by squad personnel, by opposition, whatever) as needed.
The one thing that's clear is that whatever it is we are doing clearly isn't working. If there's not enough flexibility in "the project" to keep your core principles but also flex to what's needed, then you've set it up wrong. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:49 - Aug 24 with 2011 views | wombat |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:32 - Aug 24 by numptydumpty |
Totally this.
Nourry needs to go NOW.
The structure needs completely destroying.
Ever heard the phrase too many cooks spoil the broth.
Why would you want your under 8s , under 9s, under 10s, your women's teams, the development squad all learning a way of playing that they can all then progress through to the first team.
Err.
Have you ever thought if this system isn't working at any levels then we are completely f'd and also arent you then enabling all teams at all levels that play us, will know forevermore exactly the way we play. There is no plan b.
Has any of our overpaid hierarchy ever considered that playing the same system at all levels enables the opposition to combat this and find ways to win as the system and way of playing never changes.
Whoever came up with this genius way of operating a football club, it's beyond laughable.
It's the definition of insanity... |
The issue is nourry should never have been considered for the job in the first place, not even got to an interview , he has. At best a one page cv and that’s it he added the paper round d he prob got his mum to do for him . He should never have been given the job it’s the simple , who was behind him getting the job ? Lee hoos who wanted out of the day to day stuff ages ago , where did the 200k fee end up for nourry taking over ? Why does everyone report to him and not the coach ?
Nourry is like a French version of of Scott jones but without the red sofa or the sleeping in wheelie bins .
Appointment so body who can’t do a job and they usually employ people to surround them who. Are also poorly qualified to do there own jobs , nobody will question there inability because the. Their own inability will show themselves up .
The only way things will be diff against Charlton is if we get the game called off before hand .
Losing to Charlton will be bad enough , watching that Welsh tw@t nathan jones dance up the sideline could result in me receiving a lifetime ban from all football matches for life |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 01:53 - Aug 24 with 2000 views | dennisbailey92 |
The Charlton game could get very ugly very quickly |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:59 - Aug 24 with 1993 views | FredManRave |
| Julien Stéphan on 20:04 - Aug 23 by dmm |
A small thing, but we have a head of set pieces? Really?! |
Just seen on LinkedIn a post for a head of Kick Offs. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 02:13 - Aug 24 with 1935 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:19 - Aug 24 by Northernr |
This is word perfect. |
Speculation masquerading as assertion. |  |
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| Julien Stéphan on 02:13 - Aug 24 with 1971 views | numptydumpty |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:59 - Aug 24 by FredManRave |
Just seen on LinkedIn a post for a head of Kick Offs. |
I think we should appoint a manager of football chants and perhaps we could get Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole in to train up our chief chanters but unfortunately all will have as their line manager a man called Chrsitian.
Apart from that, this sounds like the missing piece of the puzzle !!!
We could have an open training session of our choristers too and post it on all social media platforms too.
That'll get em....
I am applying as I want to be accountable to Cheryl..... [Post edited 24 Aug 2:16]
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| Julien Stéphan on 10:33 - Aug 24 with 1706 views | GroveR |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:59 - Aug 24 by FredManRave |
Just seen on LinkedIn a post for a head of Kick Offs. |
Not often you get to take 8 in one sitting. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 10:49 - Aug 24 with 1664 views | ozexile |
Well if I was Stephan I'd walk. You can't operate under those conditions. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:09 - Aug 24 with 1584 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stéphan on 02:13 - Aug 24 by stainrods_elbow |
Speculation masquerading as assertion. |
It really isn’t speculation, but believe that if you want to. Ignorance is bliss. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 11:13 - Aug 24 with 1562 views | Rsole |
| Julien Stéphan on 21:11 - Aug 23 by paulparker |
The blokes a patsy
The board needs to go and all the coaching staff as well bar furlong |
Poor guy. He’ll be eaten alive….
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| Julien Stéphan on 11:35 - Aug 24 with 1497 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Julien Stéphan on 01:53 - Aug 24 by dennisbailey92 |
The Charlton game could get very ugly very quickly |
Does feel a bit of a perfect storm. Kelman scoring, Jones doing his ADHD toddler thing, heads down at 0-1 early.
They do surprise us sometimes but I said that 24 hours ago.
We simply have to be on the front foot at least to get the crowd a bit onside which means playing Mbengue in the middle of defence and having some pace and power in the team from whatever collection of players fancies doing their job next weekend. We will respond positively if the team give us something to respond to. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:20 - Aug 24 with 1413 views | oldchap |
Coventry is not far for me and I was going to attend, especially as I will miss the next home game On Saturday. Thank goodness I changed my mind! Whilst I do feel that a rush to judgement on a handful of games is not a good approach, it does depend on the manner of the defeats and the evidence of some 'green shoots'.
At Preston in the first half I was encouraged but worried that opportunities were not being taken and whether it would come back to bite us. Well we know what happened and it struck me how fragile the team looked against a big strong and physically imposing team. To some extent this was a problem at times last season that the manager (sometimes!) was able to counter through his actions and as his knowledge and experience of the league grew.
It seems we have neither recruited players to provide that physical power to get through the tough passages of a game, or devised through coaching, a means to overcome that deficit through best use of the players we have. The optimist in mean thinks that there are intelligent people at the club who are capable of learning and taking action. In the case of the coach, I am sure that will be the case.
I am not an expert in fitness, but as others have stated, I do not follow the logic of this approach of not hitting peak fitness until x number of weeks/games into the season. If it is supposed to pay back in terms of less injuries as the season progresses, does the data show that it has resulted in a better return in terms of both points won and player performance? I will bow to those who have the numbers but it does not feel like that from a lay perspective. Whilst I appreciate that going with the majority is not always the way to go, I do find it strange that this method does not appear to be universally adopted. Are there other football teams in the EPL or EFL following the same strategy? Again anecdotally from my limited observation, teams do appear to be stronger and fitter than QPR, certainly in the first few months of a season. Is there data that suggests these teams tail off in terms of performance later on in the season?
As others have pointed out, if the strategy is that the short term pain brings later gain then clearly the 'gain' has to outweigh the 'pain'. That seems a bit of a gamble to me.
My final point relates to the use of data which has spread into every aspect of the game. I saw a photo from yesterday and think there were four backroom staff sitting behind laptops on what looked like music stands and one? on a tablet. It would be stupid not to make use of data now that in real time you can get masses of information about players in realtime, how many specific types of activity they undertake, how far they have run etc. However sometimes so much data becomes a distraction rather than an aid to fast time decision making. The old saying about woods and trees springs to mind.
In a previous life, the use of data to inform decisions became the answer to everything. Experience and intuition were derided as some form of lazy thinking, lacking rational evidence and wasteful in terms of resource use. As always there was some truth in that assessment, but it missed the point that the most powerful approach was to marry the experience with an open minded approach that used the relevant data to make them even better decision makers. The open minded experienced person could quickly understand which bits of data would be relevant in a given situation. Conversely the data disciples believed that you followed the data, if you made a decision that did not follow the data at best you were resistant to change, (an 'old fart') and at worst 'dysfunctional' by not 'embracing' the need to use data. The problem is that data when aggregated still needs to be interpreted in a way that translates to the real world. It needs informed discussion to establish its relevance to a situation and therefore its significance.
I am not sure that data can be the lead driver in circumstances where factors such as emotion, fear, courage, belief, comradeship also play a big role. I think it can be massively important in helping understand how you can get a disperate group of people to collectively perform effectively and consistently.
This is best delivered by a person who the group identify as the leader not a bunch of people clutching laptops spewing out numbers. Their job is to make sure the 'leader' is equipped with relevant data that he can use in a variety of ways to motivate the group and give direction in simple terms that are easy to execute on the field of play.
Changing the cast will not lead to a better performance if the script does not enable the actors to give their best performance | | | |
| Julien Stéphan on 12:20 - Aug 24 with 1411 views | terryb |
| Julien Stéphan on 02:13 - Aug 24 by stainrods_elbow |
Speculation masquerading as assertion. |
That is something you appear to be an expert on. | | | |
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