| Protesting together 07:15 - Aug 24 with 7864 views | dmm |
There have been calls for coordinated action, such as protesting at the training ground and/or invading the pitch. They're valid ideas. Here are a few others.
*Everyone should email the club: supporterservices@qpr.co.uk I think email would be better than social media in this case.
*A coordinated action at a home game, eg at a prearranged moment fans show red cards and banners with a statement such as 'Nourry Out'.
*Boycott a home game. It could be for the first 10 minutes, a half or the whole game. A press release to explain why fans are doing this would be needed.
The last two need some organisation and getting key people on board to communicate to fans, but they're doable.
The club is its fans. So, the club's employees must hear our voice and act accordingly. |  | | |  |
| Protesting together on 12:01 - Aug 24 with 1296 views | mart_Goblin |
| Protesting together on 11:57 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
The key point is 3 games.
10 games 20 games get it.
3 games, 2 weeks in, new coach, new players massive injury list, poor start. Absolute tanking.
way way too early to be getting out placards |
No,the key point is the one you continue to ignore |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:04 - Aug 24 with 1279 views | dmm |
| Protesting together on 11:30 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
Er that does not answer the question, that's akin to vaccine sceptics saying do your own research ?
What is the outcome you are hoping to achieve? We are pretty much shooting Par every year give or take a good or bad year for our income |
I'll try and spell it as I understand it and in simple terms. Nourry must go. Why? His modus operandi is unacceptable. He wants to be top dog in every aspect of running the club, yet he has almost no previous experience that qualifies him to do so. Yesterday's debacle at Coventry was just a trigger for this main underlying issue that many have been banging on about ever since Nourry arrived.
There are a number of sub-issues involved but that, in a nutshell, is the issue as I see it. | | | |
| Protesting together on 12:05 - Aug 24 with 1258 views | SteveCookFanAccount |
| Protesting together on 11:33 - Aug 24 by Toast_R |
This club is actually punching above its weight being in the Championship. The owners for all their mistakes, do bankroll the club.
If they left, QPR would be the next Sheff Wednesday. No sane multi millionaire would look at this club languishing in the Championship in a decrepid stadium that has no room for improvement and bound by rules that put it on a financial tightrope season after season, and think it would ever be a sound footballing investment.
I say, get behind the team for Charlton and find out if the managers is true to his word. |
Sadly I agree. I wish there was a quick fix to our problems. A better CEO who was less pretentious and ran the club better, a new stadium, and better finances, but I don't see how it's possible.
Two things can be true. The club can have existed in chaotic mediocrity since relegation, with the ownership making numerous mistakes, including our current leadership infantilising the fans and taking us for granted.
Yet there is no obvious alternative. Someone else would try the same as Nourry is. They might build a slightly better balanced squad. They might communicate better. Equally they might not, and things could get worse. Another manager might make the tactics slightly better, and get the team selection perfect. But equally they might not.
But get all of this right and we maybe move slightly up mid-table. Without an incredibly lucky season we won't get promoted. Without significant financial progress, which Nourry has correctly identified as only being viable by player sales or stadium development, we are stuck where we are. In which case, we can hope for improvement over the long term, but sadly I think lower mid-table relegation flirting is what we've got for a while. I hope we can financially improve our situation we can start looking up again. The interest in Varane suggests that however frustrating and infuriating this model is, there may be light at the end of a very long tunnel.
I am terrified that justified anger at the leadership and ownership could instead lead to an alternative in which this club collapses and no longer exists. I think we are in an existential battle for survival as a club, and the success of Nourry's model, unfortunately, is the most likely way this club staves off a major financial problem brought on by relegation. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am and that I am being pessimistic about the underlying club and that the foundations are stronger than I think. |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:08 - Aug 24 with 1235 views | FDC |
| Protesting together on 11:57 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
The key point is 3 games.
10 games 20 games get it.
3 games, 2 weeks in, new coach, new players massive injury list, poor start. Absolute tanking.
way way too early to be getting out placards |
But it isn't the past three games being discussed here. |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:08 - Aug 24 with 1230 views | TGRRRSSS |
| Protesting together on 11:57 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
The key point is 3 games.
10 games 20 games get it.
3 games, 2 weeks in, new coach, new players massive injury list, poor start. Absolute tanking.
way way too early to be getting out placards |
Are you nourrys Mum? |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:11 - Aug 24 with 1202 views | connell10 |
| Protesting together on 09:32 - Aug 24 by dmm |
Point made. A pitch invasion would mean a club fine. Mansfield Town was fined £10,000 and Port Vale £25,000. I'd imagine the fine on QPR would be substantially more.
What's more of a concern would be fans receiving an automatic ban, which I believe is an EFL rule. Whether that would be possible with a very large number of fans, I don't know.
I'd still argue that a pitch invasion is valid because QPR is the fans' club and, should the situation call for it, fans should be able to do it, albeit in a peaceful manner. However, at this point in the proceedings other methods of protest ought to be considered first. |
Just everyone throw tennis balls on the pitch just before kick off. |  |
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| Protesting together on 12:12 - Aug 24 with 1201 views | Hunterhoop |
Dear Lord.
Once again, NO ONE disagrees with the idea of buying players low and selling them high to increase our income and competitiveness season on season.
It is common sense. It is what most non-parachute payment clubs try to do. It is was what we trained to do under Les.
We’re all in on data to do this now, that’s the difference
But regardless, fine.
The issue is HOW you implement and execute such an approach.
It doesn’t matter who you sign if the squad is unfit, if standards are non-existent, if there is no culture of accountability, if the game model doesn’t work, if there is no self respect, and respect for the coach. The players we sign won’t deliver that huge increase in income when we sell them. And if we’re relegated in the meantime, they certainly won’t.
It’s not enough to simply have a plan to buy potential and sell it on in two years for more money.
There is a whole host of other things that require managing and leadership to enable that “selling high” as well as on field progression, which supports that sell high.
The way Nourry is trying to manage things through the infrastructure he has put in is not working.
It’s all that stuff that Nourry is miles out of his depth on and is simply not being happening at the club. |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:23 - Aug 24 with 1149 views | Mr_Beef |
| Protesting together on 11:57 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
The key point is 3 games.
10 games 20 games get it.
3 games, 2 weeks in, new coach, new players massive injury list, poor start. Absolute tanking.
way way too early to be getting out placards |
It's not three (actually four) games though, is it?
But then, you know that. |  | | |
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| Protesting together on 12:33 - Aug 24 with 1115 views | TGRRRSSS |
The model of buy low sell high is the same at any business surely
How many even 5 million plus players are we gonna sell when losing weekly by 5 plus goals do you suppose
I agree we maybe in battle for survival or maybe we are being run by a charlatan who has got a job way beyond his experience and capabilities.
I imagine countless posters could come up with most of what Nourry has.
Could somebody explain to me what he has said and done that makes anyone believe he can achieve more than if you had say Norf.
Who's been watching QPR for 30 odd years and writing about us for over 20?
Not saying it to support him but I'd say it makes him far more qualified than Nourry | | | |
| Protesting together on 12:36 - Aug 24 with 1101 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Protesting together on 10:53 - Aug 24 by DannytheR |
We were a Premiership team in 2011 when Tony Fernandes and Ruben Gnanalingam bought us, with all the income that involved coming into the club.
All of that was wasted.
We were based in a part of London that was about to experience an unprecedented period of development and opportunity.
All that was wasted too.
The one thing the owners have done very successfully is distance themselves from the ruinous shambles they've made of a club that means a huge amount to many, many people. The fanbase isn't stupid, whatever the likes of Ben Williams think, and people are very aware of how precarious football can get. Many of us were there passing round collection buckets in 2001, long before even Christian Nourry began his long career in senior football management.
But we survived. And the terrible decision-making and lack of genuine care of *these* owners have brought a lot of people to the point where they feel so alienated from the club, it feels half dead anyway. [Post edited 24 Aug 10:57]
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If you think we were well run under Briatore and others before Fernandes then this is a pointless discussion.
I'll be cheering the team on on Saturday and hope we see a huge reaction. | |
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| Protesting together on 12:42 - Aug 24 with 1068 views | baz_qpr |
| Protesting together on 12:08 - Aug 24 by TGRRRSSS |
Are you nourrys Mum? |
Really!!!
I've been on this board since its inception, Rivals before that, qprdot.org and qpr.org when battletank set it up. Through relegations, admins, merger plans as much as DaveB, Finney and other who were on all of those.
I am at this time agnostic about Nourry, the strategy as laid out makes sense and seems to be more of one than we had before.
I recognise we have had a terrible start, I love my club and want it to exist and thrive. We are living in a time where everyone seems to be outraged about everything all the time most of it based on misinformation and speculation and the belief that there is always an easy answer and a short term fix and that leads to terrible reactionary decision making that makes things worse.
If in 8-10 games time we are in the relegation zone with no prospect of it getting better, then fine I'm on board. At the moment it is far too early and turning on the club, the manager the players the CEO is only going to make things worse. |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:49 - Aug 24 with 1033 views | TGRRRSSS |
It's been going on since he get involved.
If what you say is true then you should be well aware of what's happening he is totally out of his depth
The injuries last season he claimed were average which was clearly nonsense.
Now we don't have strength or fitness.
Next up a London Derby on Sky.
Neither of which we tend to do well at Normally let alone now | | | |
| Protesting together on 12:50 - Aug 24 with 1025 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Protesting together on 10:18 - Aug 24 by Rsole |
I would imagine that the open training could be a good place to start - unless it’s canked…. |
The Open Training Day is primarily for the young fans to meet the players etc.
You think it’s a good idea for it to be hijacked? |  | | |
| Protesting together on 12:51 - Aug 24 with 1009 views | QPunkR |
| Protesting together on 09:30 - Aug 24 by FDC |
But that's another false binary isn't it? (False ternary?)
Clearly DOF roles work at other clubs. To say "CN is not suitable for this role" is not to say "let's get Redknapp back to bankrupt the club" nor is it to say "let's go back to our old DOF". It is actually possible to say "The intention here is correct, but it is being executed incorrectly and by the incorrect person" |
It was more a shorthand point of reminding people that were in the Evil Les brigade that this is what we're left with after he was hounded out.
Edit - not saying things were perfect under him either btw! [Post edited 24 Aug 12:52]
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| Protesting together on 13:11 - Aug 24 with 941 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Protesting together on 12:42 - Aug 24 by baz_qpr |
Really!!!
I've been on this board since its inception, Rivals before that, qprdot.org and qpr.org when battletank set it up. Through relegations, admins, merger plans as much as DaveB, Finney and other who were on all of those.
I am at this time agnostic about Nourry, the strategy as laid out makes sense and seems to be more of one than we had before.
I recognise we have had a terrible start, I love my club and want it to exist and thrive. We are living in a time where everyone seems to be outraged about everything all the time most of it based on misinformation and speculation and the belief that there is always an easy answer and a short term fix and that leads to terrible reactionary decision making that makes things worse.
If in 8-10 games time we are in the relegation zone with no prospect of it getting better, then fine I'm on board. At the moment it is far too early and turning on the club, the manager the players the CEO is only going to make things worse. |
Good post mate.
A small number of people on here have been waiting for a terrible result like yesterday to voice their righteous indignation. It’s all just words though: it’s still August so the vast majority of supporters will quite rightly wait for a month or two to see how the team develops and what results. we get.
And they get upset and patronising if people have a different opinion as you’ve found out. | | | |
| Protesting together on 13:14 - Aug 24 with 927 views | TGRRRSSS |
It's been coming a while then if people were waiting for it.
Bad result 4 or perhaps 5
Conceding 7 and in August is different level of disaster stroke mismanagement and incompetence | | | |
| Protesting together on 13:27 - Aug 24 with 873 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Protesting together on 13:11 - Aug 24 by Ned_Kennedys |
Good post mate.
A small number of people on here have been waiting for a terrible result like yesterday to voice their righteous indignation. It’s all just words though: it’s still August so the vast majority of supporters will quite rightly wait for a month or two to see how the team develops and what results. we get.
And they get upset and patronising if people have a different opinion as you’ve found out. |
You really think supporters want us to lose?
I thought we would lose 5-0 but I still wanted us to get a result and didn't bet against us on principle. It was 5-0 at half-time - that's not just a blip, it's pathetic and all the things Clive will no doubt articulate in his report.
I think we can beat Charlton but one thing is for sure, if we lose, it is going to be toxic. Again, of course the people there want us to win but they certainly won't be happy if we lose - and quite right! We need to be more like Italian ultras. [Post edited 24 Aug 13:29]
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| Protesting together on 13:32 - Aug 24 with 842 views | paulparker |
| Protesting together on 13:11 - Aug 24 by Ned_Kennedys |
Good post mate.
A small number of people on here have been waiting for a terrible result like yesterday to voice their righteous indignation. It’s all just words though: it’s still August so the vast majority of supporters will quite rightly wait for a month or two to see how the team develops and what results. we get.
And they get upset and patronising if people have a different opinion as you’ve found out. |
I couldn’t care less about Nourry it’s the people above him that are the problem and have been since they walked in the door , sack him and we get another useless plum doing the same mistakes , the buck stops with these owners if they have no standards why should anyone else at the club have them
As for a knee jerk reaction this has been brewing , you cannot sack a coach like Marti the way we did , we also got smashed by six in pre season , the warning signs were there
This team look worse and dis interested than the team that Ainsworth had they are also unfit which is shocking at this level |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Protesting together on 13:37 - Aug 24 with 821 views | Mr_Beef |
| Protesting together on 13:11 - Aug 24 by Ned_Kennedys |
Good post mate.
A small number of people on here have been waiting for a terrible result like yesterday to voice their righteous indignation. It’s all just words though: it’s still August so the vast majority of supporters will quite rightly wait for a month or two to see how the team develops and what results. we get.
And they get upset and patronising if people have a different opinion as you’ve found out. |
And you don't think this post is patronising, Ned? | | | |
| Protesting together on 13:46 - Aug 24 with 780 views | GroveR |
| Protesting together on 12:36 - Aug 24 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
If you think we were well run under Briatore and others before Fernandes then this is a pointless discussion.
I'll be cheering the team on on Saturday and hope we see a huge reaction. |
I don't think that was what was said. If there's ever an opportunity to write a definitive paper on how not to run a football club, QPR (Malaysia Remix) will feature heavily. |  | | |
| Protesting together on 13:51 - Aug 24 with 765 views | loftus77 |
| Protesting together on 12:11 - Aug 24 by connell10 |
Just everyone throw tennis balls on the pitch just before kick off. |
Well, we'll be playing the right opponents if we do, no? Although I think they used plastic pigs. They've been there. | | | |
| Protesting together on 14:24 - Aug 24 with 693 views | themodfather |
was it charlton fans who lobbed 1000s of tennis balls on pitch causing a delay?
was it a European game when teddy bears were lobbed on in protest?
going on pitch? cover face with face mask but as said we could be fined, docked points or made to play behind closed doors.
2 wins and maybe this debacle slips to the back of our minds. | | | |
| Protesting together on 14:47 - Aug 24 with 608 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Protesting together on 08:47 - Aug 24 by paulparker |
What’s a few more weeks when you have had around 13 years of incompetence
The club is a laughing stock through out the football league , it’s seen as a soft touch by rival managers & players
I don’t know how old you are but this football club had class once it meant something, that shirt meant something , we were once a head of our time on and off the pitch , the big teams hated playing us , the players we had were top notch and when we sold them we got someone in better and then sold them on for profit , most of our money has come from Sterling who never touched a ball for the first team and Eze, a player who went to a club that for a very long time was not only behind us but one where we nicked their players, there in Europe this season btw
The club has accepted being a cuck we watch on in awe at Bournemouth, Brighton , Brentford , Burnley how they are run , take a step back and think where all those clubs were when this board took over
Blackpool 6-1
Coventry 7-1
WBA 7-1
Those are just recent drubbings how many games at HQ have we stunk the gaff out
It cannot go on anymore I mean what’s the breaking point
Sacking warnock
Appointing Hughes and Redknapp
FFP
Poor signings
Decent players allowed to run down contracts
Poor managers
Poor DOF
Poor results
Poor facilities
Ben Williams
Cup games tossed away
This has to be the time to protest the cherry on the cake is sacking Marti a miracle worker who saved this club and could of taken it further if not for board interference
How ironic would it be if we go down this year and he takes Leicester up |
There are plenty, including a few sports journo’s, that had us down as dark horses for this season based on our recruitment across this summer and last. Most of the ingredients are there, barring some serious muscle and experience in midfield.
The “coach” is now tasked with pulling all this together and putting some belief into this lot, as yesterday’s pathetic capitulation is not acceptable.
“Men against boys”, “soft underbelly” are not the terms I was expecting to be using this season. But here we are.
Ben Williams is where I point my finger. The continuing injury crisis and lack of fitness across the squad is diabolical. | | | |
| Protesting together on 14:49 - Aug 24 with 600 views | 7374Ranger |
| Protesting together on 10:23 - Aug 24 by Hunterhoop |
He was a hell of a lot more qualified for being DOF, given he’d been a top player, a first team coach at a Prem club, and had done all his coaching badges, plus a football manager/administrator course run by the FA. Granted we were his first rodeo, mind.
Nourry was a recruitment consultant for non-playing roles in football for 1-2 years. Prior to that ran a social media advisory firm with a handful of friends. Before that he was at Imperial. And this is first rodeo too.
But the comparison is irrelevant anyway. It’s not Nourry or Les. It’s Nourry or anyone else we could get in to do the DOF role. We could have had Steve Gallen if we wanted. |
He might have had all of those, but should never have been given the role at a Premiership club (which we were when he came in as Head of Football Operations before being promoted 3 months later). He should have got his first rodeo at a lower league club instead, like Steve Gallen has. | | | |
| Protesting together on 14:58 - Aug 24 with 580 views | Boston |
| Protesting together on 12:11 - Aug 24 by connell10 |
Just everyone throw tennis balls on the pitch just before kick off. |
Just as long as those are the only type of balls. The thought of a mass streak involving hundred, thousands of elderly people truly horrify me. | |
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