| Is Saito a future 10? 13:51 - Sep 17 with 3031 views | Jevlar |
Just something I've been pondering this week and keen to see what others think.
Saito's return has seemingly provided us with an improved version of the smiling bundle of joy that we had last year. It's been great to see.
And with Ilias sadly succumbing to injuries of late (very unusual for him) are we seeing the torch being passed to a future number 10?
To be clear - I'm a big fan of Chair and he's a wonderful servant to QPR (got to be about 260 odd games now) and I'm NOT writing him off or forgetting how he creatively carried a weak QPR team for several years on his own but for a player who was barely injured to suddenly being injured frequently (and then throw in the off-field court case) are his better days potentially behind him?
Did this make the club pull the trigger on Saito? |  | | |  |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 15:22 - Sep 17 with 2421 views | WestbourneR |
Intersting post.
First point I would make is that Chair is often referred to as creative. In fact, IMO he's not. He can put a nice ball into the box from out wide or work space in the area to shoot - but he actually has poor vision and little flair. He also dwells on the ball too long to be truly creative. So he has many strengths and does make goal opportunities with his touch and guile, but pure creativity, as I would describe it, is not one.
Aside from him I think we're well covered at 10. I really think Madsen is by far and way at his best as a 10. I also think Dembele is a better 10 than winger.
Below that we have Pearman coming through.
So I'd keep Saito on a wing where his mobility and dribbling are most devastating. He can also roam inside. But he's not best used as a 10 for me.
FInal point - Saito did not come back better this season. He was this good at the end of last season it's just that a lot of our fans had missed it. Hence why the club paid £2.5 million to get him |  |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 15:59 - Sep 17 with 2307 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Possibly.
I think he has the skills and potential.
Would still like to see more goals and assists over a prolonged period before moving him into the key 10 position.
I wouldn't rule out a return to form and fitness for Chair either, but not sure he's best at 10 either. |  |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 17:24 - Sep 17 with 2160 views | Loft1979 |
YES!!! And I think that where we are heading. A really skill ball carrying MF who can take the ball into the options box or attack the wings. And track back. The Chair (as a 10) experiment has not had consistent results compared to his output as the LW. [Post edited 17 Sep 17:25]
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 17:59 - Sep 17 with 2081 views | NorthLondonR |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 15:22 - Sep 17 by WestbourneR |
Intersting post.
First point I would make is that Chair is often referred to as creative. In fact, IMO he's not. He can put a nice ball into the box from out wide or work space in the area to shoot - but he actually has poor vision and little flair. He also dwells on the ball too long to be truly creative. So he has many strengths and does make goal opportunities with his touch and guile, but pure creativity, as I would describe it, is not one.
Aside from him I think we're well covered at 10. I really think Madsen is by far and way at his best as a 10. I also think Dembele is a better 10 than winger.
Below that we have Pearman coming through.
So I'd keep Saito on a wing where his mobility and dribbling are most devastating. He can also roam inside. But he's not best used as a 10 for me.
FInal point - Saito did not come back better this season. He was this good at the end of last season it's just that a lot of our fans had missed it. Hence why the club paid £2.5 million to get him |
Well, I could raise you Preston away 23/24 where Chair completely changed the game when introduced at half time. I get the holding on sometimes too long etc etc, but to completely dismiss him as a creative force is in my opinion a little short sighted. That's one example that comes to mind before the '1 game in 250 odd' come flooding in. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 18:29 - Sep 17 with 1982 views | DavieQPR |
Vale is a better no.10 than all of them. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 18:32 - Sep 17 with 1986 views | VancouverHoop |
I too tend to think that Ilias's future lies in midfield. We're still getting that area sorted. He's skilled, with good vision and excellent passing, but never been particularly speedy nor any kind of poacher. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 18:56 - Sep 17 with 1904 views | bosh67 |
I think Koki was brought in to replace Ilias when and if Ilias gets a bigger club move. The fact that we also have Vale now is a bonus for the 10 position. |  |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 19:21 - Sep 17 with 1817 views | Hunterhoop |
Where we’re going, do we even need a 10?
Yes, I accept we may well play Chair, Dembele, possibly Koki, off Kone, in a Teddy Sheringham-esque capacity, but it feels like Stephan is on the 442 (and variations thereof) bus. |  | | |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 19:22 - Sep 17 with 1816 views | Beckenhamhoop |
Is Harvey Vale a future no.8? | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 20:52 - Sep 17 with 1624 views | dmm |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 19:21 - Sep 17 by Hunterhoop |
Where we’re going, do we even need a 10?
Yes, I accept we may well play Chair, Dembele, possibly Koki, off Kone, in a Teddy Sheringham-esque capacity, but it feels like Stephan is on the 442 (and variations thereof) bus. |
There were definitely shades of 442 v Wrexham. Was it for that particular game? We'll find out starting this Saturday. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 09:04 - Sep 18 with 1178 views | BAWHoops |
Every season people write Chair off, every season we look better with him in the side.
Not only is he our most talented player, he also works his bollox off. He had a bad goalscoring season last year, but the last 5 seasons his goals and assists combined have been 8, 15, 14, 14, 12. Nobody has been as consistent as him for us over the last few seasons.
Saito is wonderful and having them both is magnificent. No shame in one being a sub and coming on to change a game |  |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 09:23 - Sep 18 with 1121 views | sdm1508 |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 19:22 - Sep 17 by Beckenhamhoop |
Is Harvey Vale a future no.8? |
I have said this on a couple of threads. I like how Vale seems to know what pass is needed and when to do it. I thought he was a lot smaller when he first joined, but it looks like he has a bit of stature to him. I noticed he tracks back too. He may not be the quickest, but it really looks like he has a proper football brain on him and will tend to be in the right position. I just don't know if he can put a tackle in when needed. I know in a lower league loan he was played as a wing back and did well, but that was lower league | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 10:26 - Sep 18 with 967 views | NottsQPR |
Please, please can we stop this thing of referring to players as '6s', '8s', '10s' etc - thankfully it hasn't spread to calling goalkeepers '1s' yet... | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 10:52 - Sep 18 with 911 views | bosh67 |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 09:23 - Sep 18 by sdm1508 |
I have said this on a couple of threads. I like how Vale seems to know what pass is needed and when to do it. I thought he was a lot smaller when he first joined, but it looks like he has a bit of stature to him. I noticed he tracks back too. He may not be the quickest, but it really looks like he has a proper football brain on him and will tend to be in the right position. I just don't know if he can put a tackle in when needed. I know in a lower league loan he was played as a wing back and did well, but that was lower league |
I think Vale can play the 8 and the 10 potentially. Some of his vision and movement is reminding me a bit of Faurlin. Faurlin didn't have much pace at all (or knees) but he was two to three passes ahead of the game and I can see that potential in Vale. saito for me is the long term replacement for Chair, if Chair moves higher up. Although after two seasons of injury I am a bit concerned that his recent injuries may have hampered his value. Hopefully he gets back to top form so let's see. | |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 10:59 - Sep 18 with 889 views | RBlock |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 10:26 - Sep 18 by NottsQPR |
Please, please can we stop this thing of referring to players as '6s', '8s', '10s' etc - thankfully it hasn't spread to calling goalkeepers '1s' yet... |
No. Nothing wrong with people using numbers to refer to different profiles of midfielder. Less wordy than holding midfielder/box-to-box midfielder, attacking midfielder as well. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:00 - Sep 18 with 886 views | daveB |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 19:21 - Sep 17 by Hunterhoop |
Where we’re going, do we even need a 10?
Yes, I accept we may well play Chair, Dembele, possibly Koki, off Kone, in a Teddy Sheringham-esque capacity, but it feels like Stephan is on the 442 (and variations thereof) bus. |
Yeah I think we'll have wide players who can come inside and create as we've seen with Vale and Saito and also options for out and out wingers like Smyth and Poku |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:03 - Sep 18 with 879 views | dm97 |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 10:26 - Sep 18 by NottsQPR |
Please, please can we stop this thing of referring to players as '6s', '8s', '10s' etc - thankfully it hasn't spread to calling goalkeepers '1s' yet... |
This. Seen Vale described as a “7”,”8”,”10”. Keep it simple: he’s a smart, technically gifted footballer. So he’s comfortable playing across positions. Don’t need to be ascribing numbers to it.
The xg nerds have won the football chat battle unfortunately. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:06 - Sep 18 with 872 views | RBlock |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 20:52 - Sep 17 by dmm |
There were definitely shades of 442 v Wrexham. Was it for that particular game? We'll find out starting this Saturday. |
In Clive's interview with him, he definitely talks about playing more of a 4411 or 442 so I imagine we'll see it continue, especially with Chair, Poku, Smyth injured. Burrell has been too good to drop so let him and Kone build up a partnership there. I do feel that Stephane is very pragmatic and will go horses for courses, chopping and changing as required. Frey & Kone would be a pretty hilarious strike partnership and not one that any CB pairing would enjoy playing against. | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:43 - Sep 18 with 783 views | hubble |
I am another Luddite who struggles with number positions, so I thought I'd provide a map for people like me. They don't all seem to completely tally, but nevertheless, this might be useful.
PS I don't see Saito as a 10 (see, I know where that is now!), better on the wing I think.
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:47 - Sep 18 with 777 views | golborne |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:06 - Sep 18 by RBlock |
In Clive's interview with him, he definitely talks about playing more of a 4411 or 442 so I imagine we'll see it continue, especially with Chair, Poku, Smyth injured. Burrell has been too good to drop so let him and Kone build up a partnership there. I do feel that Stephane is very pragmatic and will go horses for courses, chopping and changing as required. Frey & Kone would be a pretty hilarious strike partnership and not one that any CB pairing would enjoy playing against. |
And in the 1 1 on Saturday Burrell was the one furthest forward, so that would make Kone the No10. In old money. As folk say, it’s quite difficult to talk in numbers these days. Especially as the game has become more offensive (lots more attacking midfielders) with lots of temporary switches in formation and approach during the match | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 12:44 - Sep 18 with 671 views | colinallcars |
Can't see him becoming Prime Minister. |  | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 12:55 - Sep 18 with 627 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 11:43 - Sep 18 by hubble |
I am another Luddite who struggles with number positions, so I thought I'd provide a map for people like me. They don't all seem to completely tally, but nevertheless, this might be useful.
PS I don't see Saito as a 10 (see, I know where that is now!), better on the wing I think.
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I'm guilty of using numbers, have to admit, but I've been doing it since before xG. Think I picked it up from reading books on football's history. | |
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| Is Saito a future 10? on 13:31 - Sep 18 with 511 views | KensalT |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 15:22 - Sep 17 by WestbourneR |
Intersting post.
First point I would make is that Chair is often referred to as creative. In fact, IMO he's not. He can put a nice ball into the box from out wide or work space in the area to shoot - but he actually has poor vision and little flair. He also dwells on the ball too long to be truly creative. So he has many strengths and does make goal opportunities with his touch and guile, but pure creativity, as I would describe it, is not one.
Aside from him I think we're well covered at 10. I really think Madsen is by far and way at his best as a 10. I also think Dembele is a better 10 than winger.
Below that we have Pearman coming through.
So I'd keep Saito on a wing where his mobility and dribbling are most devastating. He can also roam inside. But he's not best used as a 10 for me.
FInal point - Saito did not come back better this season. He was this good at the end of last season it's just that a lot of our fans had missed it. Hence why the club paid £2.5 million to get him |
Your criticism of Chair seems a bit harsh.
He missed most of last season yet still managed the most assists for us.
Season before that he was top for both goals and assists.
And look at the strikers he has had to work with. Xavi and Iniesta at their peak would struggle to register many assists if they had Lyndon Dykes and Sinclair Armstrong waiting in the box to finish off their hard work.
I agree with you that he dwells on the ball too much and doesn't play many incisive through balls. But has he had the players around him who could make the runs or see the space for him to play those passes?
Let's see how he slots in with Kone and Burrell before we judge him too harshly. | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 14:54 - Sep 18 with 374 views | francisbowles |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 12:55 - Sep 18 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'm guilty of using numbers, have to admit, but I've been doing it since before xG. Think I picked it up from reading books on football's history. |
Inside left 10, inside right 8, left half 6, right half 4. | | | |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 14:55 - Sep 18 with 365 views | francisbowles |
| Is Saito a future 10? on 10:59 - Sep 18 by RBlock |
No. Nothing wrong with people using numbers to refer to different profiles of midfielder. Less wordy than holding midfielder/box-to-box midfielder, attacking midfielder as well. |
Yes, but at least we know what the wordy descriptions mean. | | | |
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