| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread 13:39 - Apr 9 with 100782 views | Superhoops2808 |
With the football season coming to a close in a months time, some here will turn their attention to the smell of freshly mown grass and long days sat in the hot sunny weather watching the great game of cricket.
As a member of Kent Cricket Club, I got to enjoy my first match of the season against Somerset at Canterbury over the last few days. Unfortunately, as is always the way starting the season this early, the first day was lost to rain. In fact nearly all the games were affected by rain, some without a ball even being bowled.
But I did manage to get to see 2 centurions at Canterbury yesterday and a very enjoyable day of cricket (even if I did get sun burned head - Yes I know should have taken a cap).
Did anyone else get to see cricket over the last few days? I know we have several Middlesex supporters who no doubt enjoyed the 'runfest' at Lords (over 1300 runs I believe) [Post edited 4 Apr 13:14]
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:27 - Aug 4 with 1134 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 10:16 - Aug 4 by TheChef |
Would love Overton to see the game through and prove a point - but most likely he'll be out for a duck. |
I hear ya mate as I know you're a Surrey supporter - But honestly an allrounder with 2 wickets and 9 runs from the bat (and the most expensive bowler in the match) just doesnt cut it
Atkinson on the other hand is class and did his best. He should have been in the middle prior to Overton too.
But in this game Bethells stupidity was probably what cost us this match.
Gutted we didnt win, but as many have already said, India deserved something and I am sure we have celebrated a draw of a series as much as the Indians are now. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:29 - Aug 4 with 1119 views | LimehouseR |
Fantastic series and advert for test cricket.
But the selectors lost that last match for us.
India should have got nowhere near 400 runs in their second innings. But selecting Bethall who's barely played 1st class cricket and who contributed nothing and selecting Overton (who again contributed, nothing) was ridiculous. The run chase was always going to be almost impossible and I am very surprised we got anywhere near it.
Fair play to India who bowled really well there. Siraj is surely man of the series?
Looking to the ashes we can't take Pope. The Aussies will roast him alive, he just doesn't have the temperament. He looks nervous every time he bats and rarely comes up with a notable contribution. Crawley just rides the coat tails of Duckett. Again, he rarely contributes a noteworthy total. Another the Aussies will pick off easily. So it always comes down to Root to hold us together and we can't rely on that, especially down there. |  | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:31 - Aug 4 with 1075 views | thame_hoops |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:29 - Aug 4 by LimehouseR |
Fantastic series and advert for test cricket.
But the selectors lost that last match for us.
India should have got nowhere near 400 runs in their second innings. But selecting Bethall who's barely played 1st class cricket and who contributed nothing and selecting Overton (who again contributed, nothing) was ridiculous. The run chase was always going to be almost impossible and I am very surprised we got anywhere near it.
Fair play to India who bowled really well there. Siraj is surely man of the series?
Looking to the ashes we can't take Pope. The Aussies will roast him alive, he just doesn't have the temperament. He looks nervous every time he bats and rarely comes up with a notable contribution. Crawley just rides the coat tails of Duckett. Again, he rarely contributes a noteworthy total. Another the Aussies will pick off easily. So it always comes down to Root to hold us together and we can't rely on that, especially down there. |
Pope is going whether we like it or not. Especially as before this series people wanted Bethel instead of him and he hasn’t done himself any favours. Not surprising as he hasn’t played any games. I think Crawley actually averages decent against Australia. |  | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:37 - Aug 4 with 1025 views | qprd |
amazing series, fitting result |  | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:43 - Aug 4 with 985 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:31 - Aug 4 by thame_hoops |
Pope is going whether we like it or not. Especially as before this series people wanted Bethel instead of him and he hasn’t done himself any favours. Not surprising as he hasn’t played any games. I think Crawley actually averages decent against Australia. |
Yes, as discussed before, we've committed to players and a system that they think will work in Australia. Crawley's done it before out there, averages over 80 against high pace and the reason they go for bowling pace over steady eddies is all about the Ashes. Cook's dobblers may have won us this test ironically but they don't care they prefer drivel like Overton because he has pace and bounce.
Only problem with putting all our eggs in the Ashes basket....we have to win there. I do also think for the future we should really be working on India test series too, they are becoming epics and there are a lot more Indian fans in England than Aussies to be gloating at us :-)
I really can't see us doing well in Oz, but let's hope. |  | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:44 - Aug 4 with 974 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:31 - Aug 4 by thame_hoops |
Pope is going whether we like it or not. Especially as before this series people wanted Bethel instead of him and he hasn’t done himself any favours. Not surprising as he hasn’t played any games. I think Crawley actually averages decent against Australia. |
You are correct Thame - Crawley averages 44 against Australia because he knows the pitches, and did a lot of winters being coached there. He also plays better against the faster ball.
Think to suggest he rides off Ducketts coat tails (I know you didn't) is disrespectful and the two work well together. But in truth I am done trying to defend Crawley, lets see how he gets on over the winter. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:48 - Aug 4 with 944 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:44 - Aug 4 by Superhoops2808 |
You are correct Thame - Crawley averages 44 against Australia because he knows the pitches, and did a lot of winters being coached there. He also plays better against the faster ball.
Think to suggest he rides off Ducketts coat tails (I know you didn't) is disrespectful and the two work well together. But in truth I am done trying to defend Crawley, lets see how he gets on over the winter. |
Yeah, me too, I am a Crawley fan and always will be but it is dull defending him as whatever he does won't be good enough for some. Ask Duckett if he thinks Crawley is hanging off his coattails - more like he credits him with helping their partnership. They will soon be our most successful opening partnership ever.
I suspect the Ashes will be his last hurrah, 70 odd tests behind him - and then we can all enjoy being 24-1 at lunch with Super Sibley prodding around at home to Sri Lanka. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:55 - Aug 4 with 906 views | CamberleyR |
To win in Oz it's got to be pace, pace, pace in the bowling attack, so it's imperative that Wood and Archer are fit and available supported by Atkinson. An attack of Wood, Archer, Atkinson, Stokes and Bashir would give us a chance.
The only fly in the ointment is that I fear we're likely to go into the test series undercooked as I think I heard right yesterday that they're not even playing a four day warm up against one of the state sides, just a four day game against the England Lions team. I know it's not the thing to play lots of four day games before a test series anymore but this could bite them on the arse.
I think on Sky yesterday morning they were saying that when they last won in Australia in 2010-11 they played three games against the state sides prior to the tests. |  |
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:01 - Aug 4 with 860 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:55 - Aug 4 by CamberleyR |
To win in Oz it's got to be pace, pace, pace in the bowling attack, so it's imperative that Wood and Archer are fit and available supported by Atkinson. An attack of Wood, Archer, Atkinson, Stokes and Bashir would give us a chance.
The only fly in the ointment is that I fear we're likely to go into the test series undercooked as I think I heard right yesterday that they're not even playing a four day warm up against one of the state sides, just a four day game against the England Lions team. I know it's not the thing to play lots of four day games before a test series anymore but this could bite them on the arse.
I think on Sky yesterday morning they were saying that when they last won in Australia in 2010-11 they played three games against the state sides prior to the tests. |
The odd thing is, we've won twice out there since 1986. On neither occasion did we have anything other than 85mph bowlers (with possible exception of Finn). High class bowlers, yes, but not exactly out and out pace.
Our attack in 2010/11
Anderson
Tremlett
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Our attack in 1986
Small
Dilley
De Freitas
Botham (at 50 stone)
Emburey
Edmonds
So I hope they know what they are doing! [Post edited 4 Aug 13:06]
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:02 - Aug 4 with 852 views | Rangersw12 |
A great series and 2-2 probably a fair result although if we had our first choice bowling attack all series and Stoakes available for the last test I think we would have won comfortably.
I do think it's time to get rid of players like Pope who bar one innings a series never does anything and his average in the 2nd innings is a joke .
Pitches in Aus seem to do a bit now so an attack.of Atkinson , Archer and Wood should get wickets . I would also take Ahmed as the number 8 | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:05 - Aug 4 with 818 views | SydneyRs |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:55 - Aug 4 by CamberleyR |
To win in Oz it's got to be pace, pace, pace in the bowling attack, so it's imperative that Wood and Archer are fit and available supported by Atkinson. An attack of Wood, Archer, Atkinson, Stokes and Bashir would give us a chance.
The only fly in the ointment is that I fear we're likely to go into the test series undercooked as I think I heard right yesterday that they're not even playing a four day warm up against one of the state sides, just a four day game against the England Lions team. I know it's not the thing to play lots of four day games before a test series anymore but this could bite them on the arse.
I think on Sky yesterday morning they were saying that when they last won in Australia in 2010-11 they played three games against the state sides prior to the tests. |
Aside from 2010-11 when we belted them (just the three innings victories and a 517/1 declaration in a drawn game) its been a thrashing every time we've toured since I've lived here.
Obviously its a tough place to come. Hottest time of year and the summer sun is seriously fierce here. Childish, hostile media. Don't think being away from home during the Christmas period is great for morale either. Pitches are different and suit the home team (same for us at home, they haven't won away since 2001) and of course they still have a very consistent bowling attack. Their batting is less of a concern.
Archer is someone that would worry them and great to see him come through tests recently. Wood also has their respect but never seems to stay fit for any length of time (JCS vibes). Would like to see us be competitive first, because most tours since I came here have been god awful. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:08 - Aug 4 with 802 views | CamberleyR |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:01 - Aug 4 by GaryBannister86 |
The odd thing is, we've won twice out there since 1986. On neither occasion did we have anything other than 85mph bowlers (with possible exception of Finn). High class bowlers, yes, but not exactly out and out pace.
Our attack in 2010/11
Anderson
Tremlett
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Our attack in 1986
Small
Dilley
De Freitas
Botham (at 50 stone)
Emburey
Edmonds
So I hope they know what they are doing! [Post edited 4 Aug 13:06]
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Botham as well in 1986. | |
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:08 - Aug 4 with 802 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:05 - Aug 4 by SydneyRs |
Aside from 2010-11 when we belted them (just the three innings victories and a 517/1 declaration in a drawn game) its been a thrashing every time we've toured since I've lived here.
Obviously its a tough place to come. Hottest time of year and the summer sun is seriously fierce here. Childish, hostile media. Don't think being away from home during the Christmas period is great for morale either. Pitches are different and suit the home team (same for us at home, they haven't won away since 2001) and of course they still have a very consistent bowling attack. Their batting is less of a concern.
Archer is someone that would worry them and great to see him come through tests recently. Wood also has their respect but never seems to stay fit for any length of time (JCS vibes). Would like to see us be competitive first, because most tours since I came here have been god awful. |
Yeah I don't envy you having to put up with our performances out there. Problem is, their bowling attack isn't just "very consistent" - it is quite possibly the best of all time. And they have one last point to prove. Duck for cover! | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:08 - Aug 4 with 795 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:08 - Aug 4 by CamberleyR |
Botham as well in 1986. |
Oops yes I edited that in. How could I forget the great man trundling in at 50 stone and hungover, and they still got out to him. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:21 - Aug 4 with 700 views | Rsole |
Missed this mornings live action - just had the text updates, which were stressful enough (for everyone else in my vicinity !).
On reflection, probably a fair overall result for the series and regardless of that, what a great spectacle and showcase for the sport. 2 teams going hammer and tongs for nearly 6 weeks - nothing else like it.
Not for everyone, granted - but for those that play and watch it, it’s the gold standard. |  |
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:35 - Aug 4 with 647 views | numptydumpty |
Shame for us, we didn't get over the line.
Obviously for the great majority of this game, we had one less batsman in Woakes and one less bowler, likewise.
We lost by six runs.
Clearly with eleven men, we would most definitely have won, however the battling characteristics of India, meant they deserved the series draw.
A fantastic test series with high quality batting and bowling all round.....
Who says test cricket is dead !!!!! [Post edited 4 Aug 13:35]
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:39 - Aug 4 with 626 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:35 - Aug 4 by numptydumpty |
Shame for us, we didn't get over the line.
Obviously for the great majority of this game, we had one less batsman in Woakes and one less bowler, likewise.
We lost by six runs.
Clearly with eleven men, we would most definitely have won, however the battling characteristics of India, meant they deserved the series draw.
A fantastic test series with high quality batting and bowling all round.....
Who says test cricket is dead !!!!! [Post edited 4 Aug 13:35]
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I don't think you can say we would definitely had won with Woakes being fit. He hasn't bought a run all series and hardly been ripping through their line up. Great effort today though. Perhaps if he had done the same first innings we would have got those other runs!
I was gutted, but on reflection 2-2 was the right result. 3-1 would have been really flattering. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:40 - Aug 4 with 621 views | TheChef |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 12:27 - Aug 4 by Superhoops2808 |
I hear ya mate as I know you're a Surrey supporter - But honestly an allrounder with 2 wickets and 9 runs from the bat (and the most expensive bowler in the match) just doesnt cut it
Atkinson on the other hand is class and did his best. He should have been in the middle prior to Overton too.
But in this game Bethells stupidity was probably what cost us this match.
Gutted we didnt win, but as many have already said, India deserved something and I am sure we have celebrated a draw of a series as much as the Indians are now. |
Er Middlesex thanks!
Nice try with the selectors attempting to shoehorn in as many Surrey players as possible for this one  Didn't quite work out.
Ifs but and maybes, but a few more runs in the first innings and a fit Woakes probably would have made the difference.
Ah well, Test cricket you gotta love it. |  |
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:43 - Aug 4 with 605 views | stowmarketrange |
It was a very nervous hour,which swung back and forth.We thought it was ours when the first over produced 8 runs,but fair play to India for the win.
Probably the right result after 5 hard fought tests. |  | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:01 - Aug 4 with 543 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:43 - Aug 4 by stowmarketrange |
It was a very nervous hour,which swung back and forth.We thought it was ours when the first over produced 8 runs,but fair play to India for the win.
Probably the right result after 5 hard fought tests. |
For the 2nd time in a few weeks I have to apologise to you (After previously mocking your hat  )
I said your post had aged well but in truth today and at times yesterday we didnt have that patience
I had never heard of Siraj prior to this series but he clearly is Mr Cricket and so passionate.
Nas said the right thing, we have to keep working on other countries and encourage them to seee that test cricket is NOT dying | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:03 - Aug 4 with 532 views | Paddyhoops |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 11:48 - Aug 4 by Malintabuk |
Woakes... unbelievable... |
Listened on the radio . Woakes playing with his shoulder hanging off .
Amazing. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:13 - Aug 4 with 489 views | dm97 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 13:01 - Aug 4 by GaryBannister86 |
The odd thing is, we've won twice out there since 1986. On neither occasion did we have anything other than 85mph bowlers (with possible exception of Finn). High class bowlers, yes, but not exactly out and out pace.
Our attack in 2010/11
Anderson
Tremlett
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Our attack in 1986
Small
Dilley
De Freitas
Botham (at 50 stone)
Emburey
Edmonds
So I hope they know what they are doing! [Post edited 4 Aug 13:06]
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Look at the spinners. Teams that win in Australia need a great spinner to reduce pacers workloads, hold an end, and then win you a game in the last two days. We haven’t had one since Swann (and there doesn’t look to be one on the horizon).
Bar Pope, who I am least convinced by in that line up, that batting set up could get you a series win. But I just don’t see the bowling attack up holding up. You’re banking on three glass bodies in Archer, Wood and Stokes - and, critically, they don’t have Swann or Emburey at the other end. |  | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:15 - Aug 4 with 481 views | ManinBlack |
England threw that away having been 300 for 3 to be all out on 367. We did similar in the first innings where 129 for 2 became 247 all out. We then dropped straightforward catches in India's second innings that would have significantly reduced the amount of runs to chase. Once Root and Brook fell yesterday the game swung India's way. [Post edited 4 Aug 14:16]
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| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:17 - Aug 4 with 461 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:13 - Aug 4 by dm97 |
Look at the spinners. Teams that win in Australia need a great spinner to reduce pacers workloads, hold an end, and then win you a game in the last two days. We haven’t had one since Swann (and there doesn’t look to be one on the horizon).
Bar Pope, who I am least convinced by in that line up, that batting set up could get you a series win. But I just don’t see the bowling attack up holding up. You’re banking on three glass bodies in Archer, Wood and Stokes - and, critically, they don’t have Swann or Emburey at the other end. |
Yes - I think you are right and I totally agree, apart from the calling Embers a great spinner. Swann definitely was, but dear old Embers? Did a steady job but barely turned it. So maybe that is all we need. It's why all the eggs have been in the Bashir basket, I feel.
What is frustrating is that as good as their bowling is, their batting is at its most vulnerable for years, with no set opener, no Warner, Labuschagne in and out....get Wade and Smith and we've got a shout. | | | |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:37 - Aug 4 with 395 views | dm97 |
| Cricket 2025 County/International Thread on 14:17 - Aug 4 by GaryBannister86 |
Yes - I think you are right and I totally agree, apart from the calling Embers a great spinner. Swann definitely was, but dear old Embers? Did a steady job but barely turned it. So maybe that is all we need. It's why all the eggs have been in the Bashir basket, I feel.
What is frustrating is that as good as their bowling is, their batting is at its most vulnerable for years, with no set opener, no Warner, Labuschagne in and out....get Wade and Smith and we've got a shout. |
Don’t get me wrong Swann is clearly better - but Emburey’s record in Australia (35 wickets at 32) is pretty good. If Bashir averages 32 this winter I’d be amazed (and pleased!) | | | |
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