| Official. The welsh language is on the decline 11:43 - May 29 with 4371 views | Whiterockin |
Much as many deny the truth, the facts are there for all to see. No I am not proud of the situation but we have to be realists to plan for the future. The aim to create 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2050 will never happen, let's be realistic and plan accordingly. The sooner Drakeford is gone the better, he just won't see sense.
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:03 - May 30 with 716 views | Gwyn737 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 22:11 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Would it be more beneficial for a child to leave school with A levels and fluent in Welsh or a language like Mandarin. I would say it would depend if the child is ambitious or not. |
I’d say it depends what the ambition is.
Learning another language has well researched cognitive benefits and in that regard, it doesn’t really matter what the language is. Learning a language is very good thing, beyond just the ability to converse.
I think in wales it might as well be Welsh. It won’t be long before AI is live translating (if it’s not already) so it makes sense to me to keep it going for a cultural perspective.
I can see how forcing to 16 will cause teens to push back, mind. |  | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:10 - May 30 with 697 views | raynor94 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 17:03 - May 30 by Whiterockin |
Exactly right. In Wales there should be a data base where we can register our preference English or Welsh and all communication is through our preferred choice. Simple and it would save a fortune. |
A very easy solution, growing up in Swansea in the 60s I never heard Welsh spoken and it's no different after all these years |  |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:25 - May 30 with 685 views | lifelong |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:10 - May 30 by raynor94 |
A very easy solution, growing up in Swansea in the 60s I never heard Welsh spoken and it's no different after all these years |
for the past 65 years you’ve never heard anyone speak Welsh in Swansea, Ray?!.. remarkable. |  | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:29 - May 30 with 683 views | raynor94 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:25 - May 30 by lifelong |
for the past 65 years you’ve never heard anyone speak Welsh in Swansea, Ray?!.. remarkable. |
Honestly and I'm not against the language at all, we weren't even taught it in junior school | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:42 - May 30 with 660 views | lifelong |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:29 - May 30 by raynor94 |
Honestly and I'm not against the language at all, we weren't even taught it in junior school |
Thing have moved on a bit from then, there are now a dozen or so Welsh medium primary schools and two large Welsh medium secondary schools in the Swansea area. | | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:51 - May 30 with 642 views | Whiterockin |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:42 - May 30 by lifelong |
Thing have moved on a bit from then, there are now a dozen or so Welsh medium primary schools and two large Welsh medium secondary schools in the Swansea area. |
As I have stated before my grandchildren go to Welsh medium schools and can converse in Welsh. They don't speak Welsh out of school and rarely speak the language. The only time they use the language is while participating in sport as the opposition don't know their plan. I bet that throws a spanner in the stats. | | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:18 - May 30 with 601 views | lifelong |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:51 - May 30 by Whiterockin |
As I have stated before my grandchildren go to Welsh medium schools and can converse in Welsh. They don't speak Welsh out of school and rarely speak the language. The only time they use the language is while participating in sport as the opposition don't know their plan. I bet that throws a spanner in the stats. |
That’s entirely up to them and their parents, at least they will have the choice. | | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:20 - May 30 with 600 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:51 - May 30 by Whiterockin |
As I have stated before my grandchildren go to Welsh medium schools and can converse in Welsh. They don't speak Welsh out of school and rarely speak the language. The only time they use the language is while participating in sport as the opposition don't know their plan. I bet that throws a spanner in the stats. |
Not really.
The argument is that it would not take much for all children in wales to be able to enjoy conversational welsh by the time they leave comp.
No exams, but having fun and talking football, music or whatever.
The decision to use it is then with the individual.
But its having the choice thats the important bit.
I went to junior and comp schools in Swansea decades ago and we all did welsh until 13. |  |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:35 - May 30 with 584 views | raynor94 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:20 - May 30 by Kilkennyjack |
Not really.
The argument is that it would not take much for all children in wales to be able to enjoy conversational welsh by the time they leave comp.
No exams, but having fun and talking football, music or whatever.
The decision to use it is then with the individual.
But its having the choice thats the important bit.
I went to junior and comp schools in Swansea decades ago and we all did welsh until 13. |
Can only speak for my school which was Terrace Road | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:53 - May 30 with 566 views | Whiterockin |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:18 - May 30 by lifelong |
That’s entirely up to them and their parents, at least they will have the choice. |
Clearly they chose not to speak Welsh out of school as is their choice. One does wonder what is the point and expense. | | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:55 - May 30 with 566 views | max936 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 18:39 - May 30 by SullutaCreturned |
Hmmm, Welsh speaker worldwide number about 650,00
Arabic...422 million
Polish...40 million
Do you think maybe we have a point when we say trying to force Welsh on people is having the exact ooposite of the desired effect? |
That maybe because of the population of Arabia and Poland, just a thought like, dear me the population of wales is around 3 million mun, you cannot compare the languages spoken in either of those two compared to Wales and we as born and bred Welsh people should at least be able to understand the language, I wish I could I really do, I'm proud to be Welsh. |  |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:59 - May 30 with 550 views | max936 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:29 - May 30 by raynor94 |
Honestly and I'm not against the language at all, we weren't even taught it in junior school |
I was schooled in Swansea the Town of my Birth and I'm sure it was taught especially at Dynevor and probably at Manselton school. | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 21:16 - May 30 with 534 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 09:53 - May 30 by onehunglow |
This is why OHL is the doyen of this site as he was in the previous incarnation
A challenger
Winston has posted material that is bang on the money
Lifey , being a Welsh speaker, pops up and defends , as he sees it
People cannot grasp this
Swansea overwhelmingly English speaking and cosmopolitan
Small towns and rural villages socially staid and defensive
Every Welsh person needs to learn Welsh is withoight doubt the most crass statement ever made on this site
And to think that poster travels away to preach the gospel
Speak Welsh , get a site to do it |
There is nothing cosmopolitan about large numbers of Swansea youth. Cities breed poor values cre and state dependency in many cases.Snall towns as many know are better safer places to live often with better educated people. Swansea will become more Asian if is what the Swansea people voted for in 2016 . |  |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 21:17 - May 30 with 536 views | builthjack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 18:59 - May 30 by union_jack |
Unfortunately, us Anglos or English are the majority.
May I suggest you move to Anglesey😁 |
My area is fine to live in thank you.
Welsh units popping up, the future is bright, the future is Welsh.
Even You Anglos are learning it, fair play. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 22:38 - May 30 with 485 views | lifelong |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 18:57 - May 30 by union_jack |
Awful reply! I’m not alone in my thinking regards that! Far from it. It’s unnecessary, the sign bilingually that is.
You will support anything Welsh or is a Welsh initiative so I can’t take anything you say on such matters with any seriousness. |
Very cutting reply UJ..I’m hurt. | | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 00:30 - May 31 with 443 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 19:42 - May 30 by lifelong |
Thing have moved on a bit from then, there are now a dozen or so Welsh medium primary schools and two large Welsh medium secondary schools in the Swansea area. |
A welsh primary school on the Clase and Ysgol Bryn Tawe in Penlan.
How things have changed since the 1980s that people on here remember !!!
Change for the better. | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 03:48 - May 31 with 429 views | DJack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 22:14 - May 29 by Dr_Winston |
I'd say Spanish or French would be of more use than Mandarin. Most Chinese that they'll deal with on a certain level will probably be English speakers anyway. |
And as ever, you betray your own flaws in regards to geographical/political diversity, as then most nuance is lost in the total non-understanding of another language. Even though I'm a monoglot I'm very aware that english is a bastardised language that has mugged most languages around the world as it has progressed.
I cant remember the direct english phrase translated from Mandarin but the rough literal translation is "fragrant rose"... it actually means slut. Guess which nation supplies the majority of the worlds consumer products (yes i know that you know that fact). You are effectively no different from Trampie, you are a language nationalist. How ironic. |  |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 03:51 - May 31 with 429 views | DJack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 18:59 - May 30 by union_jack |
Unfortunately, us Anglos or English are the majority.
May I suggest you move to Anglesey😁 |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 03:56 - May 31 with 428 views | DJack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:53 - May 30 by Whiterockin |
Clearly they chose not to speak Welsh out of school as is their choice. One does wonder what is the point and expense. |
Yes, what's the point of trigonomics. What's the point of quadrilateral equations. What's the point of differential equations. What's the point of Mewtonion physics. What's the point... do you actually have one? | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 07:44 - May 31 with 379 views | trampie |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 03:48 - May 31 by DJack |
And as ever, you betray your own flaws in regards to geographical/political diversity, as then most nuance is lost in the total non-understanding of another language. Even though I'm a monoglot I'm very aware that english is a bastardised language that has mugged most languages around the world as it has progressed.
I cant remember the direct english phrase translated from Mandarin but the rough literal translation is "fragrant rose"... it actually means slut. Guess which nation supplies the majority of the worlds consumer products (yes i know that you know that fact). You are effectively no different from Trampie, you are a language nationalist. How ironic. |
I haven't done one single post on this thread, not one (only this reply to you), I very rarely post on Welsh language threads.
Are you drunk ??? |  |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 10:10 - May 31 with 321 views | onehunglow |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 07:44 - May 31 by trampie |
I haven't done one single post on this thread, not one (only this reply to you), I very rarely post on Welsh language threads.
Are you drunk ??? |
If you are sober then you have bigger issues
Nobody spoke Welsh on Swansea town of old
There was more in Morristown and up the valley and from Gowerton west to Llanelli
On the big council estates ,Welsh was often ridiculed
Proud to be Welsh ? Most were too concerned with keeping a roof over their head than flying the flag or telling all they should learn Welsh
My mum hated Welsh but she's well gone now so no hateful replies | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 10:36 - May 31 with 296 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 20:20 - May 30 by Kilkennyjack |
Not really.
The argument is that it would not take much for all children in wales to be able to enjoy conversational welsh by the time they leave comp.
No exams, but having fun and talking football, music or whatever.
The decision to use it is then with the individual.
But its having the choice thats the important bit.
I went to junior and comp schools in Swansea decades ago and we all did welsh until 13. |
The choice...it's interesting to hear people advocate for choice after school kids are FORCED to kearn Welsh in school. They don't have that choice in school do they. As I keep on saying, those who want to learn Welsh then great, the option should be there.
I'm 58, I went to Oystermouth junior Comp after Dunns lane Primary (which is now houses) and I wasn't allowed to learn Welsh because somehow I was in the upper stream, I did a year of Latin, what a waste of a year. If I'd had the choice back then, Latin or Welsh i would have taken Welsh because at least it was relevant (myself not having ever planned on doing anything medical or legal, professionally) so yes, choice is important. Spanish weren't options back then.
Now this side of Offa's Dyke I rarely hear Welsh spoken, when we lived in Trallwn we heard Polish every day, there was a sizeable Polish community, we had Polish friends our son was in school with their kids. In Skewen I still rarely hear Welsh, out and about in work I rarely hear Welsh, nnot even up the valley but I do hear other non English languages, I can't tell you exactly what they are but urdu/Hindi would be good guesses as well as African languages.
People are free to learn whatever language they want, or should be, it should be their CHOICE though.
Having the choice is the important bit, even when in school. We give 16 year olds the vote afer all, surely they are (or should be) free to choose what language they want to learn? | | | |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 13:34 - May 31 with 235 views | DJack |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 07:44 - May 31 by trampie |
I haven't done one single post on this thread, not one (only this reply to you), I very rarely post on Welsh language threads.
Are you drunk ??? |
The VAST majority of my post is to the good Dr W. You know, the post he made that I quoted, yeah?
Whether or not you post on Welsh language boards ( I did not say that you did), you always post your views as a laser focussed, one-eyed nationalist.
I've got to ask , are you drunk? | |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 13:36 - May 31 with 223 views | trampie |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 13:34 - May 31 by DJack |
The VAST majority of my post is to the good Dr W. You know, the post he made that I quoted, yeah?
Whether or not you post on Welsh language boards ( I did not say that you did), you always post your views as a laser focussed, one-eyed nationalist.
I've got to ask , are you drunk? |
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| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 17:48 - May 31 with 151 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Official. The welsh language is on the decline on 03:56 - May 31 by DJack |
Yes, what's the point of trigonomics. What's the point of quadrilateral equations. What's the point of differential equations. What's the point of Mewtonion physics. What's the point... do you actually have one? |
There are a lot of things taught in schools that seem pointless, I didn't know cats did physics though 
I mean, Logarithms, seriously?
Teach them useful stuff. They can't even do their times tables anymore and rely on the calculator for even simple maths. There's no home economics anymore, or so I was told. There must be a better way.
even if they do make changes, what languages they learn should still be their choice, would you agree. | | | |
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