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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 11:16 - Aug 13 by CroydonCaptJack
'all the bots on here' Presumably that means anyone who doesn't agree with the general anti-CN narrative.
A bit of balance is a good thing. The paranoia on here is getting a bit excessive.
You're presumption would be wrong. Disagreement is great, it keeps forums alive and forces people to question their priors.
But if you're trying to tell me the club (and/or Nourry) doesn't have people posting on here and social media then you've not been paying attention over the past 6 months.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 12:26 - Aug 13 with 1274 views
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 12:22 - Aug 13 by nadera78
You're presumption would be wrong. Disagreement is great, it keeps forums alive and forces people to question their priors.
But if you're trying to tell me the club (and/or Nourry) doesn't have people posting on here and social media then you've not been paying attention over the past 6 months.
Did I say that?
I think it is you missing the point. Any counter view was insinuated to be a Nourrybot in the original post..
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 23:20 - Aug 12 by stainrods_elbow
Whenever I've held the manager to account after games, I been told by a handful of sad cynics here that I'm an idiot for doing so. However, as you're not me, I'm sure you'll be fine.
It's a low, low point for me as a half-century-long QPR fan tonight, but it's hardly a surprise. Either way, as a fan, there's only word to put to the manager and CEO after tonight's debacle - which is conveniently the same in English and French.
Insupportable!
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Looking at the number of players in the treatment room and the players available on the bench on Saturday the last thing this squad needs is more games in the pursuit of pipe dreams so I have no problem with what happened last night. They gave a decent account of themselves and there are maybe three or four in there that really enhanced their chances of breaking through as regular and reliable subs.
There are only 46 games that matter and if doing what we did helps us take some points from the next 3 of those then so be it. It is going to be a grind, lets face since 1994-95 it has nearly always been a grind in at least half our games and I would include the last promotion season in that category.
That said I totally feel for the people who travelled to Plymouth expecting to see a competitive starting line up but for me a "debacle" was letting Vinnie Jones leave a League Cup game during extra time so he could make a film premiere. Signing Joey Barton on crazy money and then taking him back despite what happened in the City game was the definition of an embarrassment. As was the appalling treatment of Mark Warburton, being subsequently hoodwinked by Michael "Mick" Beale, and the spectacle of Charlie Austin (much as I loved him in both spells) apparently sulking in an empty Ellerslie Road while an entirely winnable FA Cup game was still in progress.
I guess it depends in the end what kind of thing grinds your gears.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 12:45 - Aug 13 with 1145 views
I kind of have no problems with the coaching staff looking at whether fringe and youth players are good enough or ready for the step up. Unfortunately, genuinely competitive games to gage this in are few and far between. What I do have a problem with is the club not considering that the fans travelling down are spending hundreds of pounds to support an experimental team. That seems unfair and the club should have something in place to provide free coach travel, food and drink.
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 12:45 - Aug 13 by bosh67
I kind of have no problems with the coaching staff looking at whether fringe and youth players are good enough or ready for the step up. Unfortunately, genuinely competitive games to gage this in are few and far between. What I do have a problem with is the club not considering that the fans travelling down are spending hundreds of pounds to support an experimental team. That seems unfair and the club should have something in place to provide free coach travel, food and drink.
It's a good point. I wouldn't expect the club to flag an intent to field an U23 / U21 type line up in a first team game but laying on coaches or such like would have been a gesture that could have covered their backs from a customer service POV. If I was in a PAYE job and had taken a day off work out of my annual leave to be there then I would feel let down for sure.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:00 - Aug 13 with 1055 views
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 09:47 - Aug 13 by JamesB1979
Saw what coming? We’re 2 games into the season. We drew our first league game. Are you so desperate to be proved right? Maybe you will be. And come November we’ll be bottom and players injured still. But until then, I’m going to give the manager some time.
no way desperate to be proven anything , just a fan who spends a lump of cash and time watching this go down the ubend , we drew agaisnt a poor preston side a side we have beaten the last four times we have played them that preson side ? the same draw we was having to chuck morgan in at left back as we didnt have anyone else in the first game of the season ?
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:00 - Aug 13 by wombat
no way desperate to be proven anything , just a fan who spends a lump of cash and time watching this go down the ubend , we drew agaisnt a poor preston side a side we have beaten the last four times we have played them that preson side ? the same draw we was having to chuck morgan in at left back as we didnt have anyone else in the first game of the season ?
I took “saw it coming” to mean you were proved right. I do get the frustrations from last night but I also do not agree that we can form any sort of judgement (or anyone be proved right or wrong) until much later in the season. They said in fans forum something like balancing finances and future with 1st team results is the most difficult thing. It’s going to be tough, certainly in short term.
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 08:16 - Aug 13 by BushRanger82
This club doesn't want to try and win anything, other than promotion to a level that in recent times, has given me some of the worst experiences of my 50 years plus supporting this club. I think in October, this club will be making a big thing of honouring the only man in the history of QPR since it was formed in 1886, to have scored a winning goal for us in a major cup final, Mark Lazarus, may he rest in peace. The greatest honour we could have paid Mark, would have been to have made a serious attempt at trying to get as far as we could, in the only cup competition we have won in over 140 years, and in which he played a major part. But no, QPR had to go and do what they did last night, and bring embarrassment and shame on our club and it's supporters.
'The game has changed' according to one poster, and my raising the subject (or spirit) of Lazarus at all is 'puerile', apparently. God help us all!
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 10:35 - Aug 13 by johnhoop
That’s a new meaning of the term “bedwetters” for me. I didn’t realise it meant people who wanted our club to win games and progress in cup competitions.
This! The people sleeping smugly in their dry beds can do one!
A shocker of a first two mins that. If he’d said ‘I had to play the kids as we have so many players injured, I can’t take any risks ahead of Watford’ there would be a bit of understanding. To call it pre meditated is putting a lot of pressure on ahead of Watford, and a real slap in the face to those that made the effort to go. I imagine Fridays pre match interview will no doubt talk about the lack of options considering how depleted we are.
He needed better advice ahead of that interview and a much better read of the room.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:31 - Aug 13 with 876 views
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 10:39 - Aug 13 by nick_hammersmith
[q]Although the League Cup is one of the four domestic trophies attainable by English league teams, it is regarded as of lower prestige than the league title or the FA Cup.[2] League Cup winners receive £100,000 prize money (awarded by the Football League) with the runners-up receiving £50,000, considered relatively insignificant to top-flight teams, compared to the £2 million prize money of the FA Cup, which is in turn eclipsed by the Premier League's television money (awarded on final league position) and consequent participation in the Champions League.[3][4][/q]
Regarded as of 'lower prestige' by whom, and why? It also seems bizarre and frankly philistine to measure said prestige purely in terms of the monetary value of the competition. When Third Division QPR beat 1st Division WBA in 1967, did they think, 'that's nice, but it's only a tinpot cup'?
It's just the way the game is going, isn't it - all business, no sport. An increasing number of the people in it should be f*cked off out of it.
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 11:42 - Aug 13 by JamesB1979
He’s had 2 games
That's technically true, but the problem is the 2nd one (which he called, worryingly, and I suspect euphemistically, 'very special' post match) has clearly been horribly infiltrated.
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 08:29 - Aug 13 by dm97
Talk to me about standards when QPR have been in the second and third tier for 95% of the time you’ve been alive. When all the stories people like you talk about (top club in London, Les in his pomp) are just stories. If you wanna live on how things were 30-50 years ago all the best.
Cretin. You know nothing about me.
Chairman of the Junior Hoilett appreciation society
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 23:33 - Aug 12 by mart_Goblin
As I said elsewhere , he looks chuffed to bits
Red flags all over this interview and the whole evening .
You know when you say to someone at work or someone you know that they should do something a certain way, and they say 'no thanks, i'm going to do it my way'...
Whilst its all going to shît, the place is burning down and people are running around screaming, you make eye contact with another wise head and you smile as if to say 'I told them this would happen!'
Thats what he looked like to me... I did what I could, but I wasn't listened to, and therefore this isn't on me.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:58 - Aug 13 with 745 views
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 11:37 - Aug 13 by mart_Goblin
Looked like Ipswich , for example , put out a strong team and squad last night and got done over which is a completely different set of questions for their fans to ask.
Attitude and application which none of us would question of our youngsters last night.
I see the moral high ground try to be taken , with names like bedwetters etc . I get it . I don’t agree at all but I get it . It’s just a cup defeat with a very very very young side out in the grand scheme of things .
But although we are all annoyed to various degrees by losing the game , it’s the bigger picture on how and why which has annoyed a lot of people . If you’re happy and content with losing cup games then ok. If you are happy seeing our youngsters thrown in together under the cover and guise of ‘development’ then fine . That threw them under the bus more than anything . They did well considering I thought . If you are happy to see the head coach , who I really like by the way , laugh his way through a post match interview whilst mentioning the club process and project multiple times without showing any sign of disappointment then ok. And if you are happy that he is picking players to really keep the CEO happy , and I can’t think of any other reason when chasing the game he put on the subs he did …then ok .
WE WERE LOSING!!!! What’s happened here to our club and some of our fans?
It was never about winning that match and I think that’s what has got me ‘bed wetting’ this morning.
He will take the brunt of the fans ire if this starts going belly up and I really don’t want that . But the alternative is for him to start showing some individuality because at the moment it’s hard to make any other conclusion ( if you are not afraid to question what you see and witness ) that he just does what he’s told .
I don’t want that and I can’t believe Julien Stephan wants that .
The problem we all know the situation when he’s had enough and starts pushing back . He will at some point . Because that last night only damages his reputation ,
Ok, it’s been done to death. As far as I’m concerned it’s done.
But I bet the people accusing others of ‘bed wetting’ were not the ones down in Plymouth last night.
Time to look forward to Saturday .
Ok
So suggesting people were bedwetting is OTT and I admit that, but lets be fair, every time we lose a cup game this forum goes into meltdown. We are NOT going to win this cup so why not try something different.
I watched all 90 minutes of the game last night, and of the 6 senior players who started I would say maybe only 2 marginally impressed me to any degree. I wont go into who as that's for somewhere else on this forum. I always want to see our club win a game no matter who is playing as well.
If the head coach had come out and said how disappointed he was etc etc, how do you think that would impact on the youngsters? Who said he is picking players to 'keep the CEO happy'? Perhaps THE COACH believes that's the best way to blood youngsters and expose them to senior football.
In truth I don't have much time for our CEO but as I see it you are just heaping the blame on him without the proof that he pushed for the selection or maybe you do.
But here is my big issue. The manager has managed just 2 games. What happened to giving a manager time? It will only end badly for him if people like yourself are not going to give him time.
We have also seen in the past, a manager try to show the board that we do not have the strength in depth and perhaps that was part of his plan last night.
Do I think that it was fair on the fans? Absolutely not, but when can he have them play in a senior game. The one thing I do believe is that the bench should have been a mixture of youth and senior players.
I was really p**sed when MC left if I am honest, but this manager has to be given time before we pass judgement - Did he help himself last night, probably not but some of the reactions on this forum this morning have been very extreme.
P.S - Its not the moral high ground its a difference of opinion.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:58 - Aug 13 with 743 views
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:31 - Aug 13 by stainrods_elbow
Regarded as of 'lower prestige' by whom, and why? It also seems bizarre and frankly philistine to measure said prestige purely in terms of the monetary value of the competition. When Third Division QPR beat 1st Division WBA in 1967, did they think, 'that's nice, but it's only a tinpot cup'?
It's just the way the game is going, isn't it - all business, no sport. An increasing number of the people in it should be f*cked off out of it.
The League Cup even in it's 70s/80s heyday was ALWAYS third in line of importance behind the 1st division and FA Cup. If you asked the likes of Clough/Paisley/Kendall et al back then, all would say the same with all saying the Football League championship was the number one priority.
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 09:42 - Aug 13 by wombat
issue is a lot of us saw this coming ages ago before a ball was kicked , the only diff we have from last season is we had a manager who stood up to the people behind the scenes and said sorry hes not playing a and we even with a unbalanced squad saw us show some improvment from the previous season , who knows what might have happened if he had been allowed to pick and play players how we wanted to this season ? but now we are in a worse postion with a worse more unbalanced squad and off we go , yes some decent projects have been brought in but the same issusewe have had for years are still there left back now right back as well and central midfield are very very weak indeed , but its ok lads its a project so all will be good as thats what we have been. told it will be .
unfortunalty the football world isnt something that u can play on. a pc and make a few changes and all becomes good in the world again
Last seasons manager was never going to be with us this season, regardless of the gardening leave thing, if a "better" job came up - which it did
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 14:33 - Aug 13 with 577 views
Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 13:41 - Aug 13 by stainrods_elbow
That's technically true, but the problem is the 2nd one (which he called, worryingly, and I suspect euphemistically, 'very special' post match) has clearly been horribly infiltrated.
As I posted on another thread ‘ Special in French would mean Weird, so I don’t think there’s much need to take this literally. ‘Il est un peu special’ would translate as ‘he’s a bit strange’
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 14:43 - Aug 13 with 533 views
I didn't mind the starting line-up last night - 3 of them (Vale, Kolli, Burrell) are likely to do serious minutes this season, Nardi should be, and despite where he is EDB ought to be one of the senior players and perfectly able to be starting in a League Cup game. Sutton and Bennie have already played for the first team too, Bennie was in most squads last season and got a decent number of appearances even if mostly for limited minutes. It's the bench that's troubling - none of the first team even travelling? You couldn't take a handful of them down to Plymouth to try and see out the game if it went well, as it was at half time? Plymouth are 3-2 up and we're bringing on 16 year old kids because there's nothing else to try and it's all about them getting debuts. What useful experience does Teddy Tarbotton (name like an FM regen) get from trotting about for four minutes in a game we've long since lost?
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 14:50 - Aug 13 with 509 views
Where is everybody who made that long midweek trip last night I cannot wait to hear their reactions or wait for the match report . Was there any rumblings of this kids team being played and was it exciting being there with money well spent or another cluster fcuk cup defeat for QPR
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. on 15:00 - Aug 13 with 491 views
I think the Managers post match interview was rubbish........
He should be saying that we should not be loosing a 2 goal lead, we should not be conceding goasl of that nature, we should not be getting tired half way through the match and he should be giving them a 'proper' dressing down on video and even more in the dressing room......and ffs take that smile off your face. We just lost 3-2 after being 2-0 up against a side in a lower division. It was proper bad display and he should be saying that not anything else......like they all worked hard, f'ing right they did, that's what they are paid 'big' money for and a basic requirement.
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Le Shrugs thoughts post Plymouth stuffing. (n/t) on 15:02 - Aug 13 with 488 views
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