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Would have been interesting to see how how the game would have gone had we chosen to not play without a striker for 70 odd minutes. Cullen is an absolute waste of a shirt up front and has been since Martin's first season.
Bit of a wake up call for Sheehan perhaps. I maintain that it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't sign another strike in this window, but he's going to have to swallow some pride and make the right call on who leads the line.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:11 - Aug 23 with 1473 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 14:41 - Aug 23 by union_jack
I was just about to ask the question whether the finishing 11 are our strongest line up or have certain players been brought on to exploit weaknesses due to fatigue in the opposition?
I suspect good readers of the game on here such as RichardO can offer an answer but my feeling is that the players who left the field in the end should be starting. Especially Inoussa.
Agree with all that.
Galbraith making such an enormous difference at RB raises a few question for me too.
Although that maybe due to Key being so poor today.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:15 - Aug 23 with 1435 views
Before I settle down and watch the Bokke lose again , last thoughts on today Woeful start selection with Cullen as a “ striker” It’s what others me about Sheehan but today it was obvious the Swedes need to start Wittel looks potentially terrific and is a warrior Stemonic could or win be the signing that we needed I’m Less worried about striker coming in now o long as the Wales lad gets a fair go
Key is also one who’s starting days are over as Galbraith is a huge upgrade on composure alone He looks confortable in a way Key doesn’t
We could and should have won but it’s why you should always start with strongest 11 The one that fo wished looked encouraging and the crowd responded in response
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:07 - Aug 23 by Dr_Winston
Would have been interesting to see how how the game would have gone had we chosen to not play without a striker for 70 odd minutes. Cullen is an absolute waste of a shirt up front and has been since Martin's first season.
Bit of a wake up call for Sheehan perhaps. I maintain that it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't sign another strike in this window, but he's going to have to swallow some pride and make the right call on who leads the line.
Cullen isn't a striker and vip is a poor one.
We have come to this because of the previous ownership.
Im hoping that we get a striker but as everyday creeps on I get less confident.
If we dont get this elusive striker we are stuck with cullen starting and vip coming on im afraid.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:31 - Aug 23 with 1340 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:25 - Aug 23 by Fireboy2
Cullen isn't a striker and vip is a poor one.
We have come to this because of the previous ownership.
Im hoping that we get a striker but as everyday creeps on I get less confident.
If we dont get this elusive striker we are stuck with cullen starting and vip coming on im afraid.
Vip is not a poor striker. Nor is he a great one. He's average, which still puts him well ahead of Cullen.
We'll only be stuck with Cullen starting if Sheehan refutes the evidence in front of him. Cullen has started all three league games so far and stunk the pitch out in all of them. I'd be starting Wales ahead of him if Vip is not an option. He certainly couldn't do any worse.
We also need to see the likes of Widell and Inoussa get a start now. Eom still looks like a player who missed a chunk of pre-season, and he's not a winger in my view anyway.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:07 - Aug 23 by Dr_Winston
Would have been interesting to see how how the game would have gone had we chosen to not play without a striker for 70 odd minutes. Cullen is an absolute waste of a shirt up front and has been since Martin's first season.
Bit of a wake up call for Sheehan perhaps. I maintain that it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't sign another strike in this window, but he's going to have to swallow some pride and make the right call on who leads the line.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:36 - Aug 23 with 1295 views
We were at home A team of midfielders , yet looked like we didnt have one. Franco atm is living on last seasons success. Vip, celebrations...what more can i do? VIG .....MoM
Work in progerss? ...its taking its time, cant wait till it clicks.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:45 - Aug 23 with 1265 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:31 - Aug 23 by Dr_Winston
Vip is not a poor striker. Nor is he a great one. He's average, which still puts him well ahead of Cullen.
We'll only be stuck with Cullen starting if Sheehan refutes the evidence in front of him. Cullen has started all three league games so far and stunk the pitch out in all of them. I'd be starting Wales ahead of him if Vip is not an option. He certainly couldn't do any worse.
We also need to see the likes of Widell and Inoussa get a start now. Eom still looks like a player who missed a chunk of pre-season, and he's not a winger in my view anyway.
No matter how sh!t cullen is at no9 the only reason he starts is because vip has been awful, every time ive watched him he doesn't move into space, is always a second behind every cross, Is it because hes slackened off? When he has come on he has shown no effort whatsoever.
I didn't watch today, if he has bucked up then fair dos, but one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Inoussa has been carrying an injury so is given limited minutes, I think we all agree that he should be starting though, him starting will happen, I too like melker, he will start on Tuesday so hopefully he will do well and start next Saturday.
Eom imo isn't a winger, hes a no10, we could do with another winger or use parker further forward.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:54 - Aug 23 with 1230 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:31 - Aug 23 by Dr_Winston
Vip is not a poor striker. Nor is he a great one. He's average, which still puts him well ahead of Cullen.
We'll only be stuck with Cullen starting if Sheehan refutes the evidence in front of him. Cullen has started all three league games so far and stunk the pitch out in all of them. I'd be starting Wales ahead of him if Vip is not an option. He certainly couldn't do any worse.
We also need to see the likes of Widell and Inoussa get a start now. Eom still looks like a player who missed a chunk of pre-season, and he's not a winger in my view anyway.
No matter how sh!t cullen is at no9 the only reason he starts is because vip has been awful, every time ive watched him he doesn't move into space, is always a second behind every cross, Is it because hes slackened off? When he has come on he has shown no effort whatsoever.
I didn't watch today, if he has bucked up then fair dos, but one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Inoussa has been carrying an injury so is given limited minutes, I think we all agree that he should be starting though, him starting will happen, I too like melker, he will start on Tuesday so hopefully he will do well and start next Saturday.
Eom imo isn't a winger, hes a no10, we could do with another winger or use parker further forward.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:57 - Aug 23 with 1225 views
A very flat game for me. Some excellent individual performances but we didn't seem to play as a team. Key was poor as was Cullen. I'm not sure how we tried to play as at times we played with two up front Cullen and either Eon or Ronald, possibly trying to pull their three at the back about, it didn't work. Vigouroux was outstanding as was Galbraith. Stamenic looks a fine signing giving us the hight we have been lacking in midfield. There's a spark with the new players but they still get caught in possession to often. As for Vipotnik, he had a fantastic reception when he came on from myself included. He scored but it seemed to take forever to cross the line, a much better performance from him and he could/should have had two more, hopefully his discussion this week will be a turning point but we do need better. Watford are a decent side but they need throw in coaching and after an awful first 60 minutes we should be happy with the draw. On a side issue I don't think their manager will be getting a Christmas card from our bench, there was an awful lot of tension.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 16:04 - Aug 23 with 1206 views
First half we were very poor, it's surely clear to everyone that Cullen is nit the answer up front, he wasn't even there half the time, he was firther back than some of our midfield, did a good job of defending a couple of times but then we got the ball with nobody up top.
Second half was a massive turnaround which came because of a few changes, Key had been gash so putting Galbraith there seemed obvious and boy did it work. Much better control down that side and the passing going forward was much better. I'd leave him there and bench Key. Cullen finally got benched but it shoukld have happened at half time, he offered nothing at all as a striker, his best moments came when he was deeper but there were very few of them. Ronald and Eom didn't offer much either, are they lacking pace or just lacking effort because at times they didn't seem to be busting a gut, more coasting. Again things changed when Inoussa came on for Eom and then Vipotnik for Cullen. The biggest change was in Effort and suddenly everyone was busting a gut. Stamenic also made a difference, his physical presence helped and he showed a decent bit oif flair too. For me the team that finished should be the team that starts the next match.
Now Watford were very physical first half but then second half tunred into the biggest bunch of whining diving, time wasting cheats I've seen in years. One of them went down at practically every challenge, even when they weren't the one tackled. It was blatant cheating, trying to break the game up because we were on top. The referee had gone card happy by then and even booked one for time wasting at a throw in. I lost count of the yellows issued,
I have to say, continuing with Cullen up front is going to be damaging to the team. he can't lead the line, drops too deep so goes missing, won't win the headers and hasn't the pace to be a real nuisance. He's a tidy enough footballer but as a striker a complete waste of time at this level. It's not like Vipotnik is much good either but he did manage to score today and looked better. Which brings me to Bobby Wales. Why bring him to the club and put him on the bench only to not give him a go. If he's not good enough OR not ready then he shouldn't be in the first team. Or is that a tad old fashioned of me, to expect all on the subs bench to be good enough to go on?
At least we finished strongly and possibly could have won. At least we aren't a bunch of cheats. And while it did take him too long in my opinion, at least Sheehan got the changes right. I'd have taken Cullen and Eom off at half time.
But what do I know.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 16:24 - Aug 23 with 1113 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 16:04 - Aug 23 by SullutaCreturned
Well just got home so time for my tuppenceworth,
First half we were very poor, it's surely clear to everyone that Cullen is nit the answer up front, he wasn't even there half the time, he was firther back than some of our midfield, did a good job of defending a couple of times but then we got the ball with nobody up top.
Second half was a massive turnaround which came because of a few changes, Key had been gash so putting Galbraith there seemed obvious and boy did it work. Much better control down that side and the passing going forward was much better. I'd leave him there and bench Key. Cullen finally got benched but it shoukld have happened at half time, he offered nothing at all as a striker, his best moments came when he was deeper but there were very few of them. Ronald and Eom didn't offer much either, are they lacking pace or just lacking effort because at times they didn't seem to be busting a gut, more coasting. Again things changed when Inoussa came on for Eom and then Vipotnik for Cullen. The biggest change was in Effort and suddenly everyone was busting a gut. Stamenic also made a difference, his physical presence helped and he showed a decent bit oif flair too. For me the team that finished should be the team that starts the next match.
Now Watford were very physical first half but then second half tunred into the biggest bunch of whining diving, time wasting cheats I've seen in years. One of them went down at practically every challenge, even when they weren't the one tackled. It was blatant cheating, trying to break the game up because we were on top. The referee had gone card happy by then and even booked one for time wasting at a throw in. I lost count of the yellows issued,
I have to say, continuing with Cullen up front is going to be damaging to the team. he can't lead the line, drops too deep so goes missing, won't win the headers and hasn't the pace to be a real nuisance. He's a tidy enough footballer but as a striker a complete waste of time at this level. It's not like Vipotnik is much good either but he did manage to score today and looked better. Which brings me to Bobby Wales. Why bring him to the club and put him on the bench only to not give him a go. If he's not good enough OR not ready then he shouldn't be in the first team. Or is that a tad old fashioned of me, to expect all on the subs bench to be good enough to go on?
At least we finished strongly and possibly could have won. At least we aren't a bunch of cheats. And while it did take him too long in my opinion, at least Sheehan got the changes right. I'd have taken Cullen and Eom off at half time.
But what do I know.
You know what your eyes tell you Today Cullen was really truly a waste of a shirt One we should have moved on seasons ago but we’ve stuck with him as he’s local and nice Apparently It IS damaging to play him for the fact he doesn’t grasp offside , has weak feet, has no pace or heading ability VIP missed a sitter to win the game due to his lack of flexibility and ability He’s not very good
Galbraith has surely ensured Key doesn’t start Key has always flattered to deceive and again today gave away a dumb foul
I’m Hoping Sheehan has the balls to do the obvious but I’m Not sure he will
Semantic simply has to start
My team from what we have
Vig Galbraith Ben Cam Tymon Ron Semenic Wittel Innousa Wales VIP
Bold but why not start a game as if you want to win
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 16:04 - Aug 23 by SullutaCreturned
Well just got home so time for my tuppenceworth,
First half we were very poor, it's surely clear to everyone that Cullen is nit the answer up front, he wasn't even there half the time, he was firther back than some of our midfield, did a good job of defending a couple of times but then we got the ball with nobody up top.
Second half was a massive turnaround which came because of a few changes, Key had been gash so putting Galbraith there seemed obvious and boy did it work. Much better control down that side and the passing going forward was much better. I'd leave him there and bench Key. Cullen finally got benched but it shoukld have happened at half time, he offered nothing at all as a striker, his best moments came when he was deeper but there were very few of them. Ronald and Eom didn't offer much either, are they lacking pace or just lacking effort because at times they didn't seem to be busting a gut, more coasting. Again things changed when Inoussa came on for Eom and then Vipotnik for Cullen. The biggest change was in Effort and suddenly everyone was busting a gut. Stamenic also made a difference, his physical presence helped and he showed a decent bit oif flair too. For me the team that finished should be the team that starts the next match.
Now Watford were very physical first half but then second half tunred into the biggest bunch of whining diving, time wasting cheats I've seen in years. One of them went down at practically every challenge, even when they weren't the one tackled. It was blatant cheating, trying to break the game up because we were on top. The referee had gone card happy by then and even booked one for time wasting at a throw in. I lost count of the yellows issued,
I have to say, continuing with Cullen up front is going to be damaging to the team. he can't lead the line, drops too deep so goes missing, won't win the headers and hasn't the pace to be a real nuisance. He's a tidy enough footballer but as a striker a complete waste of time at this level. It's not like Vipotnik is much good either but he did manage to score today and looked better. Which brings me to Bobby Wales. Why bring him to the club and put him on the bench only to not give him a go. If he's not good enough OR not ready then he shouldn't be in the first team. Or is that a tad old fashioned of me, to expect all on the subs bench to be good enough to go on?
At least we finished strongly and possibly could have won. At least we aren't a bunch of cheats. And while it did take him too long in my opinion, at least Sheehan got the changes right. I'd have taken Cullen and Eom off at half time.
But what do I know.
Sheehan got things wrong today
It was crying out for a change at half time we needed more physicality....whilst Yalcouye was having a good game he was too lightweight as was Eom it was calling for Vip Stamenick and Inoousa but we waited ro make the change. Sheehan seems ro favour a 4 3 3. Good second half performance against a very cynical Watford. Despite getting the equaliser Vip fluffed 2 opportunities to get a winner. Still very much a work in progress and we need a steiker or try to find a way to play to the strengths of Vip and Cullen
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:25 - Aug 23 by Fireboy2
Cullen isn't a striker and vip is a poor one.
We have come to this because of the previous ownership.
Im hoping that we get a striker but as everyday creeps on I get less confident.
If we dont get this elusive striker we are stuck with cullen starting and vip coming on im afraid.
Surely this has to be the last time we have to endure 70 mins of Cullen up front ? As much as I don’t rate Sputnik, we would have never scored in a month and Sundays, had Cullen stayed on. Much better when the changes were made, but why wait 70 mins to sub the totally ineffective Cullen? Stamenić Brings much needed height, and physicality, that is lacking in midfield. He looks like a class act. As much as I like our new midfield, skilful and energetic, they are all on the small side, and today against bigger opponents, were out muscled at times. Widell makes a difference when he comes on, and will be another class act when he gets up to speed in The Championship. How do you get around the blatant, obvious time wasting of a whole team, schooled to cheat the referee and “the beautiful game” ? Answers please on a postcard. Overall, a good point considering we had no shots at goal until the changes. Special mention to The VIG, can’t wait to see that Banksesque save on tv tonight 👏👏👏
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 16:57 - Aug 23 with 966 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:36 - Aug 23 by swan65split
We were at home A team of midfielders , yet looked like we didnt have one. Franco atm is living on last seasons success. Vip, celebrations...what more can i do? VIG .....MoM
Work in progerss? ...its taking its time, cant wait till it clicks.
I thought Vig was awful. He seems to be nailed to the goal line and Burgess had to tell him a few times to come for the ball. Yes, he made a great save from the free header on the 6-yard box, but it was his cross all day long. It should never have got that far. We need a keeper, not a stopper. Dracula could cope with crosses better than Vig.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 17:22 - Aug 23 with 921 views
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 17:21 - Aug 23 by JJBomber
I thought Vig was awful. He seems to be nailed to the goal line and Burgess had to tell him a few times to come for the ball. Yes, he made a great save from the free header on the 6-yard box, but it was his cross all day long. It should never have got that far. We need a keeper, not a stopper. Dracula could cope with crosses better than Vig.
Two magnificent saves though mate.
A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:54 - Aug 23 by Fireboy2
No matter how sh!t cullen is at no9 the only reason he starts is because vip has been awful, every time ive watched him he doesn't move into space, is always a second behind every cross, Is it because hes slackened off? When he has come on he has shown no effort whatsoever.
I didn't watch today, if he has bucked up then fair dos, but one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Inoussa has been carrying an injury so is given limited minutes, I think we all agree that he should be starting though, him starting will happen, I too like melker, he will start on Tuesday so hopefully he will do well and start next Saturday.
Eom imo isn't a winger, hes a no10, we could do with another winger or use parker further forward.
He did more in 20 minutes today than he’s done in his last 5 or 6 hours combined. Maybe he did have a point to prove.
Took his header very well. Made a nice run for Innoussa to play him in, weak shot but at least he put himself in a shooting position. Was agonisingly close to an open goal after Francos shot was deflected then parried across the face of the goal. That was just unlucky.
Cullen was near enough anonymous. We weren’t getting near their box for the first hour, but he wasn’t doing enough to drag himself into the game.
The game changed when Stamenic (who had one of the best debuts I can remember) came on for Eom who was awful and Inoussa came on for Key with Galbraith going to RB. We went from being held at arms length with ease to pretty much dominating for the last half hour. As others have said, Watford did a very good job of wasting time and disrupting momentum. They were on the ropes and another 5 or 10 minutes I think we’d have beaten them.
If that’s Stamenics normal level, Sheehan has got to find a way to get him in the starting line up. Inoussa terrified them. Up until then, we had nothing down either flank as their fullbacks were quicker and stronger than both Ronald and Eom and they knew they could play compact as neither winger nor Cullen had the pace to force them to drop deep.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 15:54 - Aug 23 by Fireboy2
No matter how sh!t cullen is at no9 the only reason he starts is because vip has been awful, every time ive watched him he doesn't move into space, is always a second behind every cross, Is it because hes slackened off? When he has come on he has shown no effort whatsoever.
I didn't watch today, if he has bucked up then fair dos, but one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Inoussa has been carrying an injury so is given limited minutes, I think we all agree that he should be starting though, him starting will happen, I too like melker, he will start on Tuesday so hopefully he will do well and start next Saturday.
Eom imo isn't a winger, hes a no10, we could do with another winger or use parker further forward.
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Swansea City v Watford : Match day thread on 17:36 - Aug 23 with 821 views
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