| Who misses out? 11:44 - Oct 12 with 5967 views | Andybrat |
Not a fan of international breaks but if you believe the press this break ensures Chair and Poku are fit to return and even JCS, definitely Mbengue.
So the mad possibility that Walsh is the only injured 1st teamer.
Let’s play that game “ Who misses out”
Thinking Hayden or Sam are at risk of not being on the bench for a home game.
Mbengue on the bench as Cooky really looked like his old self.
RND ahead of Esquerdinha so does our Brazilian miss out completely.
Smythy, Vale, Saito, Dembele, Poku, Chair, Kolli?
I think the starting 11 picks itself but the options on the bench make for tough decisions for our favourite Frenchman.
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| Who misses out? on 12:03 - Oct 12 with 4220 views | NorrisGreen |
If Poku, Chair and JCS are fit this weekend I'll go to top of my stairs.
I think it's far more likely that they will be joined by one or two additional players in the sick bay...
Let's wait and see. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 12:10 - Oct 12 with 4177 views | DavieQPR |
Mbengue covers RB and DM as well as CB. Cook doesn't. |  | | |
| Who misses out? on 14:00 - Oct 12 with 4006 views | HAYESBOY |
Hayden and Burrell wont be back until Thursday in the day so will only train on Friday.
It might be that JS takes this into account for this coming weekend.
In general it will be Koli and Esquerdinha that will miss out and maybe even Morgan.
I don't think JCS will be back for a couple of weeks again now though. It will be a centre half that misses out I think if everyone fit.
First 11:
Nardi
Dunne
RND
Morrison
Cook
Varane
Madsen
Saito
Poku
Burrell
Kone
Subs:
Homer
Chair
Smyth
Haden
Field
Mbengue
Frey
Dembele
Vale
You can swap some of them around like Vale for Poku, Chair for Burrell and Mbengue for Cook, but I think that will mean Koli, Morgan and Esq miss out. That's some headache to have. |  |
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| Who misses out? on 14:17 - Oct 12 with 3943 views | dmm |
| Who misses out? on 14:00 - Oct 12 by HAYESBOY |
Hayden and Burrell wont be back until Thursday in the day so will only train on Friday.
It might be that JS takes this into account for this coming weekend.
In general it will be Koli and Esquerdinha that will miss out and maybe even Morgan.
I don't think JCS will be back for a couple of weeks again now though. It will be a centre half that misses out I think if everyone fit.
First 11:
Nardi
Dunne
RND
Morrison
Cook
Varane
Madsen
Saito
Poku
Burrell
Kone
Subs:
Homer
Chair
Smyth
Haden
Field
Mbengue
Frey
Dembele
Vale
You can swap some of them around like Vale for Poku, Chair for Burrell and Mbengue for Cook, but I think that will mean Koli, Morgan and Esq miss out. That's some headache to have. |
At around 1000 years old, I think Homer is a bit past it now. |  | | |
| Who misses out? on 14:21 - Oct 12 with 3911 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
As long as it's not Field and Hayden in midfield, I couldn't care less! | | | |
| Who misses out? on 14:24 - Oct 12 with 3912 views | Rsole |
| Who misses out? on 14:17 - Oct 12 by dmm |
At around 1000 years old, I think Homer is a bit past it now. |
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| Who misses out? on 22:19 - Oct 12 with 3417 views | Lblock |
I’d be surprised to see Chair before Christmas
Poku was out for about 4 months last season with hammy issues.
I’d hope they are taking his rehab REALLY seriously and don’t do a Willock with him. Out of all the players we signed this summer he’s the one who I instantly thought “hello… we may have one here” both preseason and his fleeting full debut.
I am concerned that he might have had to have surgery again. If so then surely Posh haven’t stitched us up AGAIN??????
JCS…… I wouldn’t be surprised if we never saw him pull on the shirt again.
Still a real mystery why he was handed an extended Contract with his record.
Mind you, round about the same time I said the same about Kelman, and that all worked out splendidly so what do I know?!?
As for who misses out it’s a real alien question for us isn’t it?
Mad really.
For me it would have to be Dembele on recent showings.
Dropping Morgan and/or Kolli is an obvious choice due to their age but I hope they both stay in and kick on.
Likewise, Sam Field was first name on team sheet last couple of seasons, hope he rediscovers that plus he can cover CB so Hayden steps down for me.
We’ll see…… |  |
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| Who misses out? on 22:34 - Oct 12 with 3378 views | daveB |
I think we might see Field and Chair leave in January, Field looked quite downbeat at the end of the Bristol City game |  | | |
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| Who misses out? on 23:29 - Oct 12 with 3283 views | LazyFan |
Morgan will be dropped as Mbengue can cover RB as well.
Hayden covers the DMC.
Where was RND in the last game? Injured? Otherwise he will give Esquerdinha a go again or maybe Field at LB.
Smyth scored and Vale played well in the last match, so I would say Dembele, Saito on the bench and Poku in for Morgan and Chair is probably not ready yet. They wont risk JCS either until hes played many DS games and is fully recovered.
It may well mean Field misses out for Poku.
So the team could be:
P. Nardi
R. ND / Esquerdinha
S. Cook
L. Morrison
J. Dunne
H. Vale
N. Madsen
J. Varane
P. Smyth
R. Kone
R. Burrell
Subs:
B. Hamer
A. Mbengue
I. Hayden
K. Saito
K. Poku
K. Dembélé
M. Frey
Apart from Hamer, all of those subs could have got into our First team last year!
Astonishing! |  |
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| Who misses out? on 23:34 - Oct 12 with 3283 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Finally we are getting a bit of depth to our squad.
On a low budget, things are looking up. |  |
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| Who misses out? on 07:09 - Oct 13 with 3108 views | Rsole |
I would guess that he’ll select a more physical side again for Saturday, with pace from the bench, and then adjust later in the week when everyone is back from travelling.
I can understand that, given the distances involved and the opposition, but it doesn’t need to be 100% that way. One of our more creative players may cause Millwall trouble early on and get us in the front foot at home so I would assume we start with Vale and maybe Smyth but it would be interesting to see them swap over occasionally too. That poses a very different challenge for the defenders for a period of time. | |
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| Who misses out? on 08:06 - Oct 13 with 3018 views | JamesB1979 |
Poku did a full pre season and he was training last week. Imagine he must be on the bench for Saturday. No sign of Chair or JCS, but then again, no need to rush them back either. Can’t see Saito, Burrell or Hayden starting Saturday given their long travels back to London. Might mean a change of formation as not sure Frey and Kone works. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 08:25 - Oct 13 with 2974 views | gazza1 |
Very difficult to make predictions on who will play out of the players that have travelled this week in the international break......I know what team I would pick & it would not be too different from what we have been playing and doing decent.
Personally, I think QPR (& maybe other Clubs) go well OTT with resting 'so called' tired players......they have first class travel, no cases, taxi transport, massages, rest days, eat nutrition food and god knows what else. My view is that we should play whoever is fit and replace them when, & if, they are looking tired, not working hard, not making good runs, not controlling the ball, etc, etc. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 09:00 - Oct 13 with 2893 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Who misses out? on 08:25 - Oct 13 by gazza1 |
Very difficult to make predictions on who will play out of the players that have travelled this week in the international break......I know what team I would pick & it would not be too different from what we have been playing and doing decent.
Personally, I think QPR (& maybe other Clubs) go well OTT with resting 'so called' tired players......they have first class travel, no cases, taxi transport, massages, rest days, eat nutrition food and god knows what else. My view is that we should play whoever is fit and replace them when, & if, they are looking tired, not working hard, not making good runs, not controlling the ball, etc, etc. |
A bit more complex than that surely. If some players have been in training all week e.g Field v Hayden then they’ve had time for specific instructions on Millwall’s midfield, set pieces etc.
I’ve never done long haul first class (if they even go first class) but would imagine there’s still some effects. Saito’s game is tomorrow so should be fine. The Jamaicans probably less so. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 09:40 - Oct 13 with 2789 views | gazza1 |
| Who misses out? on 09:00 - Oct 13 by Watford_Ranger |
A bit more complex than that surely. If some players have been in training all week e.g Field v Hayden then they’ve had time for specific instructions on Millwall’s midfield, set pieces etc.
I’ve never done long haul first class (if they even go first class) but would imagine there’s still some effects. Saito’s game is tomorrow so should be fine. The Jamaicans probably less so. |
1 - The players will basically all know the set pieces, maybe a few minor changes because of the opposition players so should not be too much of a problem. Likewise there could be a short run down of some of the Millwall players and what they do & their weaknesses - again nothing massive. I would suggest it will be a lot more focused on us and because, as I have said, we have been doing 'pretty well' so nothing massive there either. Tough game, no doubt, but nothing that we should be worrying too much about. (If the match was verses Liverpool in the QF of the FA Cup then maybe a bit more stuff!!!)
2 - I would be shocked if they do not travel First Class, at least the very least it would be Business. You should try First Class, everything is there for you & I mean everything...I fail to see what the issues would be. A massage the same day or next day (training facilities near Heathrow), a jog around to loosen up, away you go!!! | | | |
| Who misses out? on 09:48 - Oct 13 with 2769 views | Andybrat |
| Who misses out? on 09:40 - Oct 13 by gazza1 |
1 - The players will basically all know the set pieces, maybe a few minor changes because of the opposition players so should not be too much of a problem. Likewise there could be a short run down of some of the Millwall players and what they do & their weaknesses - again nothing massive. I would suggest it will be a lot more focused on us and because, as I have said, we have been doing 'pretty well' so nothing massive there either. Tough game, no doubt, but nothing that we should be worrying too much about. (If the match was verses Liverpool in the QF of the FA Cup then maybe a bit more stuff!!!)
2 - I would be shocked if they do not travel First Class, at least the very least it would be Business. You should try First Class, everything is there for you & I mean everything...I fail to see what the issues would be. A massage the same day or next day (training facilities near Heathrow), a jog around to loosen up, away you go!!! |
Great point about training facilities being so close | | | |
| Who misses out? on 10:35 - Oct 13 with 2643 views | Blue_Castello |
| Who misses out? on 22:34 - Oct 12 by daveB |
I think we might see Field and Chair leave in January, Field looked quite downbeat at the end of the Bristol City game |
Interesting it may possibly be that Varane is getting game time to increase his transfer value, he is the most marketable of the defensive midfielders and both Field and Hayden can do the same job, if our strategy is to develop and sell then that would provide the most money. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 11:16 - Oct 13 with 2546 views | francisbowles |
| Who misses out? on 08:25 - Oct 13 by gazza1 |
Very difficult to make predictions on who will play out of the players that have travelled this week in the international break......I know what team I would pick & it would not be too different from what we have been playing and doing decent.
Personally, I think QPR (& maybe other Clubs) go well OTT with resting 'so called' tired players......they have first class travel, no cases, taxi transport, massages, rest days, eat nutrition food and god knows what else. My view is that we should play whoever is fit and replace them when, & if, they are looking tired, not working hard, not making good runs, not controlling the ball, etc, etc. |
Gazza I believe you are underestimating the effects of flying.
As someone who has travelled extensively, I have experience of how tiring it is and how some are affected more than others.
Firstly, you have the upset to your circadian rhythm. Your internal body clock. Your sleep schedule, you may wake up at a completely different time and may have trouble sleeping when you want to. You will be eating, training and playing matches at different times. For example currently in Japan it is eight hours ahead of us, whilst Jamaica is six hour behind. When the clocks change in the UK, it is only by one hour but it still affects us. We may naturally wake up earlier (or later) than we want and may be more or less tired in the evening. In the UK, it's been said our evening road accidents increase in late October, the week then clocks go back, and that it can take up to a week for us to readjust.
Secondly, the physical effects of flying. Even in first class, if there is one, it can be difficult sleeping. There is the background noise of the aircraft, noise from the galleys, noise from other passengers who are awake, and don't underestimate the noise and vibration from the floor from, mainly cabin crew, walking around the aircraft. Then there is the possibility/probability of turbulence. It's severity can vary from mild to extreme and will likely disturb any sleep you may be getting.
There is also the pressurisation of the aircraft. This can affect your ears, bloat your stomach and dehydrate you. You can mitigate this to some extent but it's virtually impossible to stay hydrated if you are asleep. I met a guy who worked for Toronto in the MLS, just after Ryan Nelson had left them. He told me that their players wore special rubber (pressurisation) suits to protect them from the effects of constantly flying to and from their matches. They usually took daylight flights and didn't really have to sleep in them.
Additionally, there is usually poor cabin air. On the majority of aircraft it may be recirculated and warmed by the engines, it's not very healthy and it is possible to become infected with viruses that others maybe spreading.
Players will have the best care and facilities available, this may lessen the effects and help with recovery. Some will cope better than others. However, we only have to look back at Massimo Luongo's time with us, and how he would really struggle on his return from international duty, to get an idea of the debilitating effects of long haul travel. [Post edited 13 Oct 11:20]
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| Who misses out? on 13:45 - Oct 14 with 2097 views | gazza1 |
| Who misses out? on 11:16 - Oct 13 by francisbowles |
Gazza I believe you are underestimating the effects of flying.
As someone who has travelled extensively, I have experience of how tiring it is and how some are affected more than others.
Firstly, you have the upset to your circadian rhythm. Your internal body clock. Your sleep schedule, you may wake up at a completely different time and may have trouble sleeping when you want to. You will be eating, training and playing matches at different times. For example currently in Japan it is eight hours ahead of us, whilst Jamaica is six hour behind. When the clocks change in the UK, it is only by one hour but it still affects us. We may naturally wake up earlier (or later) than we want and may be more or less tired in the evening. In the UK, it's been said our evening road accidents increase in late October, the week then clocks go back, and that it can take up to a week for us to readjust.
Secondly, the physical effects of flying. Even in first class, if there is one, it can be difficult sleeping. There is the background noise of the aircraft, noise from the galleys, noise from other passengers who are awake, and don't underestimate the noise and vibration from the floor from, mainly cabin crew, walking around the aircraft. Then there is the possibility/probability of turbulence. It's severity can vary from mild to extreme and will likely disturb any sleep you may be getting.
There is also the pressurisation of the aircraft. This can affect your ears, bloat your stomach and dehydrate you. You can mitigate this to some extent but it's virtually impossible to stay hydrated if you are asleep. I met a guy who worked for Toronto in the MLS, just after Ryan Nelson had left them. He told me that their players wore special rubber (pressurisation) suits to protect them from the effects of constantly flying to and from their matches. They usually took daylight flights and didn't really have to sleep in them.
Additionally, there is usually poor cabin air. On the majority of aircraft it may be recirculated and warmed by the engines, it's not very healthy and it is possible to become infected with viruses that others maybe spreading.
Players will have the best care and facilities available, this may lessen the effects and help with recovery. Some will cope better than others. However, we only have to look back at Massimo Luongo's time with us, and how he would really struggle on his return from international duty, to get an idea of the debilitating effects of long haul travel. [Post edited 13 Oct 11:20]
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Oh my god!!!! With all that stuff I wonder why they are not given a two break after a aeroplane ride, in this country, of course!!!
You may have a point for a couple of the players who travel afar but, surely, they should be left at the training ground to overcome their ailments and should not be anywhere near the team or bench for our game on Saturday morning. We will see. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 13:51 - Oct 14 with 2071 views | JamesB1979 |
| Who misses out? on 13:45 - Oct 14 by gazza1 |
Oh my god!!!! With all that stuff I wonder why they are not given a two break after a aeroplane ride, in this country, of course!!!
You may have a point for a couple of the players who travel afar but, surely, they should be left at the training ground to overcome their ailments and should not be anywhere near the team or bench for our game on Saturday morning. We will see. |
Isn’t it just that at this level of sport, if you are a “bit off” due to jet lag as an example, it will be really noticeable. I agree that Saito should be fully ready to go but Burrell and Hayden I think may need to be on the bench. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 14:02 - Oct 14 with 2027 views | gazza1 |
| Who misses out? on 13:51 - Oct 14 by JamesB1979 |
Isn’t it just that at this level of sport, if you are a “bit off” due to jet lag as an example, it will be really noticeable. I agree that Saito should be fully ready to go but Burrell and Hayden I think may need to be on the bench. |
Perhaps James but if they are not fit to start then they should not be selected at all, imho.
If I was in charge I would check fitness, talk to the players themselves and if all positive.....play them as I felt necessary.
Read some of the stuff and two week holiday is the order of the day!!! These blokes are young, fit, strong powerful, footballers given treatment and looked after like we have never seen!!! | | | |
| Who misses out? on 15:34 - Oct 14 with 1862 views | francisbowles |
| Who misses out? on 14:02 - Oct 14 by gazza1 |
Perhaps James but if they are not fit to start then they should not be selected at all, imho.
If I was in charge I would check fitness, talk to the players themselves and if all positive.....play them as I felt necessary.
Read some of the stuff and two week holiday is the order of the day!!! These blokes are young, fit, strong powerful, footballers given treatment and looked after like we have never seen!!! |
I think they can do various tests, spit, urine etc which can help determine their fatigue levels.
With sportsmen (and women) the danger is if they do to much they may pick up an injury. | | | |
| Who misses out? on 15:54 - Oct 14 with 1825 views | kensalriser |
| Who misses out? on 13:51 - Oct 14 by JamesB1979 |
Isn’t it just that at this level of sport, if you are a “bit off” due to jet lag as an example, it will be really noticeable. I agree that Saito should be fully ready to go but Burrell and Hayden I think may need to be on the bench. |
Exactly. Jet lag is a bitch and where margins are fine - as they tend to be in the Championship - it has the potential to seriously affect a player's performance level. |  |
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| Who misses out? on 16:46 - Oct 14 with 1747 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Who misses out? on 09:40 - Oct 13 by gazza1 |
1 - The players will basically all know the set pieces, maybe a few minor changes because of the opposition players so should not be too much of a problem. Likewise there could be a short run down of some of the Millwall players and what they do & their weaknesses - again nothing massive. I would suggest it will be a lot more focused on us and because, as I have said, we have been doing 'pretty well' so nothing massive there either. Tough game, no doubt, but nothing that we should be worrying too much about. (If the match was verses Liverpool in the QF of the FA Cup then maybe a bit more stuff!!!)
2 - I would be shocked if they do not travel First Class, at least the very least it would be Business. You should try First Class, everything is there for you & I mean everything...I fail to see what the issues would be. A massage the same day or next day (training facilities near Heathrow), a jog around to loosen up, away you go!!! |
I've heard some shocking stories about the smaller countries national teams. I'm not sure Jamaica would cover a first class ticket for example. Maybe the players top it up themselves? |  | | |
| Who misses out? on 17:10 - Oct 14 with 1661 views | nix |
| Who misses out? on 15:34 - Oct 14 by francisbowles |
I think they can do various tests, spit, urine etc which can help determine their fatigue levels.
With sportsmen (and women) the danger is if they do to much they may pick up an injury. |
That's true. Jet lag might mess with your hormones and they are powerful things: women for instance get more ligament injuries at certain times in their menstrual cycle. I know these are men but other hormones could be disrupted. |  | | |
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