| The Madsen rehabilitation thread 17:02 - Apr 12 with 38530 views | queensparker |
Well, I don’t want to get too excited, but fair play to our Danish Pirlo.
I kind of saw the point of him today |  | | |  |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 22:03 - Apr 21 with 2736 views | Myke |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:32 - Apr 20 by Northernr |
The other thing, I've mentioned this in the match report and Nadera brought it up last week...
It's all well and good doing it now. The sun's out. the season's over, we're safe, the pressure is off, we're playing some poor sides. Where was this when we needed it? It's not much use playing well now.
That's not just singling out Madsen either. Ashby on Saturday was charging about, chucking himself into sliding tackles, throwing himself about, whirling his arms around. Great to see, but we're four games out from the end of the year, playing a crap Preston side in a dead rubber. Where was this before? He's been fcking drek for months, now the pressure is off he's going all Mark Dennis.
As Nadera and a few others have said, it's about mentality at this club. Very self satisfied and self congratulatory when it's going well, run and hide the very second it's not. |
Sorry, sent that before I intended and it won't let me edit. ...Mid Nov - Mid Feb. I understand you could be speaking more metaphorically than literally, as in we play better when the pressure is off and often don't turn up when the going gets tough. But in terms of digging ourselves out of the sh1t this season, all the heavy lifting was done in the coldest, darkest months of the year |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 22:13 - Apr 21 with 2683 views | Northernr |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 20:41 - Apr 21 by VancouverHoop |
According Marti in his post-match presser, Madsen was able to walk off his hamstring tightness by the end the of the match. |
Shock. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 22:18 - Apr 21 with 2560 views | stainrods_elbow |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 20:00 - Apr 21 by derbyhoop |
You can't have Andersen and Madsen in the same team. Neither can you include Dembele if you need to defend. Today showed how important Smyth and Saito were as defensive cover in front of the full backs. |
Agree on your last sentence, but the other way around - we really missed their attacking width/threat. As for Andersen and Madsen, I don't think you can/should play them either doubly or singly. One of the worst performances at LR this season, or any season. Re evaluating , a lot depends, I think, on how far you allow the injury list as mitigation. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 22:20 - Apr 21 with 2619 views | CiderwithRsie |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 21:43 - Apr 21 by ParkRoyalR |
One of whom has been available all year and lost his place to an 18 year old Development Squad signing,
Today was one for the Twitterati who think an occasional good pass is enough to cut it in the Championship, it's not.
Today was men against boys and Field & Varane were big misses as we had 3 ballers & Kolli up top and we all saw how that turned out. |
Alright then, the season's all but done and people are still arguing about whether either are any good. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 23:04 - Apr 21 with 2459 views | ParkRoyalR |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 22:20 - Apr 21 by CiderwithRsie |
Alright then, the season's all but done and people are still arguing about whether either are any good. |
Sorry, came across wrong, thought you made a really good point,
In a poorly put way I was saying one of the two's had a whole season and only got a game when his 18 year old replacement ran out of gas and we literally had no one else. Just can't see Madsen cutting it in a physical Championship.
Celar on other hand seemed to be adapting to physicality of Championship and it's a big ask to come from the Swiss League and play as a lone striker against usually two uncompromising Centre Halves.
I think we really need him to come good in what will be a stronger division next year. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 23:10 - Apr 21 with 2448 views | CiderwithRsie |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 23:04 - Apr 21 by ParkRoyalR |
Sorry, came across wrong, thought you made a really good point,
In a poorly put way I was saying one of the two's had a whole season and only got a game when his 18 year old replacement ran out of gas and we literally had no one else. Just can't see Madsen cutting it in a physical Championship.
Celar on other hand seemed to be adapting to physicality of Championship and it's a big ask to come from the Swiss League and play as a lone striker against usually two uncompromising Centre Halves.
I think we really need him to come good in what will be a stronger division next year. |
No worries, didn't come across as a dig.
It's all bloody frustrating, I suppose it's better than knowing for sure that they were both a waste of money, but God knows where it leaves us on stick or twist.
Have to say that even at the time, another ball-playing forward didn't seem to me our biggest need after we'd signed Dembele, whereas we badly need a goal-scorer, so Celar is the one I'd most want to come good. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:45 - Apr 22 with 2141 views | BAWHoops |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 23:10 - Apr 21 by CiderwithRsie |
No worries, didn't come across as a dig.
It's all bloody frustrating, I suppose it's better than knowing for sure that they were both a waste of money, but God knows where it leaves us on stick or twist.
Have to say that even at the time, another ball-playing forward didn't seem to me our biggest need after we'd signed Dembele, whereas we badly need a goal-scorer, so Celar is the one I'd most want to come good. |
Madsen was OK. Hung out to dry in the first half by being played left wing, which was ridiculous.
Produced a great pass when in the middle for the goal.
But he's only really an asset if you have two destroyers and runners behind him. He's not really worth building a team around at all if you look at his body of work across the season |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:50 - Apr 22 with 2125 views | Northernr |
He is at least creating now. Another assist yesterday.
It's baby steps but it's better than it was, and that's good news. | | | |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:03 - Apr 22 with 2087 views | sprocket |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:50 - Apr 22 by Northernr |
He is at least creating now. Another assist yesterday.
It's baby steps but it's better than it was, and that's good news. |
I thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday apart from assist but as you say baby steps [Post edited 22 Apr 14:04]
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:09 - Apr 22 with 2070 views | Northernr |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:03 - Apr 22 by sprocket |
I thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday apart from assist but as you say baby steps [Post edited 22 Apr 14:04]
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He was, few nice touches here and there but pretty poor overall. But then they all were, and while I'm a big fan of Cifuentes I don't think he got that team selection right yesterday and that didn't help. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:14 - Apr 22 with 2036 views | GaryHaddock |
I've got no problem carrying him and his anonymity if he's giving us 4 assists every 5 games or whatever it is at the moment. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:14 - Apr 22 with 2023 views | TheChef |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:09 - Apr 22 by Northernr |
He was, few nice touches here and there but pretty poor overall. But then they all were, and while I'm a big fan of Cifuentes I don't think he got that team selection right yesterday and that didn't help. |
Biggest misstep was splitting up Morrison and Edwards. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:59 - Apr 22 with 1960 views | benhurst |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:03 - Apr 22 by sprocket |
I thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday apart from assist but as you say baby steps [Post edited 22 Apr 14:04]
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I think it's also a good sign if he can pull out big moments like that assist even whilst playing badly.
Worth pointing out that Chair, despite not being anywhere near his best this season, is getting goals/assists at his quickest rate for us (one every 202 minutes compared to one every 250 last season) | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 15:16 - Apr 22 with 1904 views | Dorse |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:14 - Apr 22 by TheChef |
Biggest misstep was splitting up Morrison and Edwards. |
This. Couldn't agree more. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 15:16 - Apr 22 with 1902 views | Rsole |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:14 - Apr 22 by GaryHaddock |
I've got no problem carrying him and his anonymity if he's giving us 4 assists every 5 games or whatever it is at the moment. |
After all, we carried Dozzell based on that one assist in several seasons !
Dre fed Dre Gray that day. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:07 - Apr 22 with 1811 views | ParkRoyalR |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:59 - Apr 22 by benhurst |
I think it's also a good sign if he can pull out big moments like that assist even whilst playing badly.
Worth pointing out that Chair, despite not being anywhere near his best this season, is getting goals/assists at his quickest rate for us (one every 202 minutes compared to one every 250 last season) |
Chair improving return is very much down to Marti's coaching,
Whilst never looking fully match fit this year he has been crossing the ball into the danger areas much quicker than in years gone-by and it seems pushing Dunne up to attack these has been a key part of our attacking play,
We need our Coaches to improve players if our model is going to work and Chairs improved stats prove reflect positively on Marti's coaching. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:29 - Apr 22 with 1745 views | QPROslo |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:14 - Apr 22 by TheChef |
Biggest misstep was splitting up Morrison and Edwards. |
Who else was he going to replace Varanne with? With Field injured and no Development holding midfielders in the Squad even recently, I doubt he had any realiatic alternatives to playing Edward's there. He plays well there too. I don't think Morgan can play there. Playing Dunne at CB, with Morrison, Ashby at RB and Paal at LB may have worked better but Paal is only just back from injury, and it's a lot of changes. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:46 - Apr 22 with 1710 views | baz_qpr |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:09 - Apr 22 by Northernr |
He was, few nice touches here and there but pretty poor overall. But then they all were, and while I'm a big fan of Cifuentes I don't think he got that team selection right yesterday and that didn't help. |
Madsen needs pace and runners ahead of him to hit or one touch passers around him. Marti often makes a really good point about its not just who you play in a given position but who you have around that position. Yesterday we had no forward runners until the subs, I get why he does not want to start with both Dembele and Madsen and Yang which would have left us wide open. I think he could have played Anderson wide right, Kolli on the left . We also badly missed Edwards in the centre back role supporting Ashby on the left and stepping into midfield and starting attacks, so the whole thing was disjointed. In his interview Marti said he would have liked to play Frey in the 9 and Kolli coming in from the left as we need at Preston but neither was fit enough |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:01 - Apr 22 with 1644 views | TheChef |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:29 - Apr 22 by QPROslo |
Who else was he going to replace Varanne with? With Field injured and no Development holding midfielders in the Squad even recently, I doubt he had any realiatic alternatives to playing Edward's there. He plays well there too. I don't think Morgan can play there. Playing Dunne at CB, with Morrison, Ashby at RB and Paal at LB may have worked better but Paal is only just back from injury, and it's a lot of changes. |
I think with Colback alongside him Morgan would have managed OK for 45-60 minutes, if not more. | |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:02 - Apr 22 with 1645 views | Myke |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:46 - Apr 22 by baz_qpr |
Madsen needs pace and runners ahead of him to hit or one touch passers around him. Marti often makes a really good point about its not just who you play in a given position but who you have around that position. Yesterday we had no forward runners until the subs, I get why he does not want to start with both Dembele and Madsen and Yang which would have left us wide open. I think he could have played Anderson wide right, Kolli on the left . We also badly missed Edwards in the centre back role supporting Ashby on the left and stepping into midfield and starting attacks, so the whole thing was disjointed. In his interview Marti said he would have liked to play Frey in the 9 and Kolli coming in from the left as we need at Preston but neither was fit enough |
I presume he meant neither were fit enough for a full game so gave them a half (slightly more for Kolli) each. if that was the case and seeing we had lost a defensive midfielder before KO, why not start both strikers together like finished at Preston and go all gung ho from the off? Try to get one or two in front by HT and then replace them with your pacy players like Dembele and the kid making his debut and try to catch them on the break. After all, nothing to play for, big crowd, second last home game, good vibes after Friday - just go for it.
And if we continue to play out from the back next year without ONE SINGLE defender comfortable doing it, I really will lose my ... oops sorry, way off thread topic.
Madsen: Good passer - needs to grow a pair | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:23 - Apr 22 with 1576 views | baz_qpr |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:02 - Apr 22 by Myke |
I presume he meant neither were fit enough for a full game so gave them a half (slightly more for Kolli) each. if that was the case and seeing we had lost a defensive midfielder before KO, why not start both strikers together like finished at Preston and go all gung ho from the off? Try to get one or two in front by HT and then replace them with your pacy players like Dembele and the kid making his debut and try to catch them on the break. After all, nothing to play for, big crowd, second last home game, good vibes after Friday - just go for it.
And if we continue to play out from the back next year without ONE SINGLE defender comfortable doing it, I really will lose my ... oops sorry, way off thread topic.
Madsen: Good passer - needs to grow a pair |
Probably because Swansea are the form team in the division over the last 10 and he did not want a tonking | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:25 - Apr 22 with 1560 views | Beejnewark |
Needs to go to the guy that Michi Frey went to last off season. Come back pumped for pre-season, as he definitely has an eye for an assist. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:26 - Apr 22 with 1552 views | Loyalitat |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:59 - Apr 22 by benhurst |
I think it's also a good sign if he can pull out big moments like that assist even whilst playing badly.
Worth pointing out that Chair, despite not being anywhere near his best this season, is getting goals/assists at his quickest rate for us (one every 202 minutes compared to one every 250 last season) |
I would suggest that for nearly a third of last season, Chair's numbers are skewed due to the numbskull, neanderthal approach of Ainsworth. During that time, he was largely a bystander but still managed two goal assists in the first 14 league games. Enter the MC and he scores 7 goals and 6 further goal assists in the 30 games in which he was involved thereafter.
Very impressive last season and still showed his quality during this campaign, albeit being hampered by injuries that have restricted him to just 19 starts. [Post edited 22 Apr 17:34]
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 20:59 - Apr 22 with 1316 views | Myke |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:23 - Apr 22 by baz_qpr |
Probably because Swansea are the form team in the division over the last 10 and he did not want a tonking |
Yet we got one anyway and bored to tears along the way | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 21:16 - Apr 22 with 1274 views | MrSheen |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 14:03 - Apr 22 by sprocket |
I thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday apart from assist but as you say baby steps [Post edited 22 Apr 14:04]
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I thought he started very well, but as the Swansea press got to work and we were stavrved of possession he faded out for long spells. It contributed to our lack of any comparable press. He seemed completely clueless at times where to go when Swansea were in possession...sometimes he stood back in a neutral space to watch what was going to happen, others he followed a team-mate like he felt they knew what they were doing. The comparison with Colback's reading of the game was startling. |  | | |
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