| The Madsen rehabilitation thread 17:02 - Apr 12 with 18319 views | queensparker |
Well, I don’t want to get too excited, but fair play to our Danish Pirlo.
I kind of saw the point of him today |  | | |  |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:35 - Apr 20 with 1274 views | ParkRoyalR |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:49 - Apr 20 by gazza1 |
Yesterday was his best game, created some very good chances but not taken.....he was far better than just 20/25 minutes in the other two matches.
You cannot live in this divison with 7.8 workhorses, you need a lot more. They all give the ball away frequently, not just Madsen!!!
The jury is still out on Celar but from what I have seen he has been very limited indeed.
Morgan has done OK in a match or two, at most, gives the ball away far too easily and done very little in other games, hence why is is getting splitters on the bench most weeks.....he has a long way to go before he gets the sort of praise you are giving him from me.
Dunne is massive for us and we should listen very carefully to his agent as to what he wants to stay here. |
Morgan has run out of gas as an 18 year old Development Squad signing on allegedly x hundred quid a week he had to step up and play too many consecutive games given Madsens failings.
I would only be grateful to Morgan for stepping up & hope Madsen builds on yesterday's performance. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:48 - Apr 20 with 1210 views | JamesB1979 |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:35 - Apr 20 by ParkRoyalR |
Morgan has run out of gas as an 18 year old Development Squad signing on allegedly x hundred quid a week he had to step up and play too many consecutive games given Madsens failings.
I would only be grateful to Morgan for stepping up & hope Madsen builds on yesterday's performance. |
Morgan runs around too much when he plays in that central midfield role. You’ve got to hold your position and keep defensive shape. That’s why he was normally better in the attacking mid role. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:48 - Apr 20 with 1208 views | LazyFan |
Madsen runs more now, closing down and pressing, that's the big change.
What he still does not do is run back all the time, every time, when the opponent passes the ball around him and he then becomes behind the play when the oppo has it.
However, he gets away with it as we have been up against poor oppo, Colback has been told to stay back (as he is old and a yard off the pace) and Field/Varane are back covering too.
There is no question Madsen has amazing skills, able to pick a pass, can hold the ball if it's played to his feet, can shimmy out of danger, and do nice little passes as well. He can shoot, take free kicks and penalties. All of this should not be in question.
He can even tackle a little bit. But it's his capability to get up and down the pitch and be involved in the match, that is lacking. Too often we have been playing with 10 men when he is required to do this and has been found wanting.
With Marti's current tactics and poor oppo he's been getting away with it. Madsen has changed, he runs more now, but he needs to do that a lot more to be the player we need him to be. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:51 - Apr 20 with 1203 views | BristolR |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:39 - Apr 19 by nadera78 |
Some of you are going way over the top here. He's been getting 3/4 out of 10 (some even lower than that!) for most of the season and now he's put in a couple of 6s he's apparently turned the corner. |
Isn’t that the whole point of turning a corner ? |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:08 - Apr 20 with 1148 views | W7Ranger |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:51 - Apr 20 by BristolR |
Isn’t that the whole point of turning a corner ? |
Exactly!
How else do you turn a corner if you're improving game by game? |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:19 - Apr 20 with 1121 views | Hunterhoop |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:00 - Apr 20 by JamesB1979 |
If you’ve got a player that creates chances like that in a game, that’s enough isn’t it? 2 of his chance creations should have led to 2 goals.
On another note, I thought issue on defensive side with him was Yang. Madsen would press and Yang wouldn’t. |
It’s enough IF they do it consistently over a season, and they are the only midfielder you’re carrying off the ball.
You can’t carry two, and doing it for 3 games at the end of a season isn’t proof yet he will create those chances in the more competitive first few months of next season consistently.
We can hope but it’s far too early to say he’s at the level we paid for. For 40 odd games of the season he’s offered nothing. Began as a starter and dropped to the bench and then out of the squad, which says a lot for where his level was. Great that he’s picked up and had 3 decent games. But that is all it is…so far. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:32 - Apr 20 with 1083 views | Northernr |
The other thing, I've mentioned this in the match report and Nadera brought it up last week...
It's all well and good doing it now. The sun's out. the season's over, we're safe, the pressure is off, we're playing some poor sides. Where was this when we needed it? It's not much use playing well now.
That's not just singling out Madsen either. Ashby on Saturday was charging about, chucking himself into sliding tackles, throwing himself about, whirling his arms around. Great to see, but we're four games out from the end of the year, playing a crap Preston side in a dead rubber. Where was this before? He's been fcking drek for months, now the pressure is off he's going all Mark Dennis.
As Nadera and a few others have said, it's about mentality at this club. Very self satisfied and self congratulatory when it's going well, run and hide the very second it's not. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:39 - Apr 20 with 1047 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:32 - Apr 20 by Northernr |
The other thing, I've mentioned this in the match report and Nadera brought it up last week...
It's all well and good doing it now. The sun's out. the season's over, we're safe, the pressure is off, we're playing some poor sides. Where was this when we needed it? It's not much use playing well now.
That's not just singling out Madsen either. Ashby on Saturday was charging about, chucking himself into sliding tackles, throwing himself about, whirling his arms around. Great to see, but we're four games out from the end of the year, playing a crap Preston side in a dead rubber. Where was this before? He's been fcking drek for months, now the pressure is off he's going all Mark Dennis.
As Nadera and a few others have said, it's about mentality at this club. Very self satisfied and self congratulatory when it's going well, run and hide the very second it's not. |
Thought this article might be useful for the club!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/apr/19/analysts-artificial-intelligenc | | | |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:07 - Apr 20 with 992 views | PhilmyRs |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:32 - Apr 20 by Northernr |
The other thing, I've mentioned this in the match report and Nadera brought it up last week...
It's all well and good doing it now. The sun's out. the season's over, we're safe, the pressure is off, we're playing some poor sides. Where was this when we needed it? It's not much use playing well now.
That's not just singling out Madsen either. Ashby on Saturday was charging about, chucking himself into sliding tackles, throwing himself about, whirling his arms around. Great to see, but we're four games out from the end of the year, playing a crap Preston side in a dead rubber. Where was this before? He's been fcking drek for months, now the pressure is off he's going all Mark Dennis.
As Nadera and a few others have said, it's about mentality at this club. Very self satisfied and self congratulatory when it's going well, run and hide the very second it's not. |
I get this but isn’t this whole Madsen debate also about player development? Madsen, clearly struggled during those early parts of the season where you wanted him to stand up and fight but where was the sympathetic, “will take him time and investment from the club to develop and be ready”? (Patience). For me, I’m still not convinced but was clear people were jumping on his back early and was often singled out. I think the Manager has handled him well. Taken him out the firing line when not playing well, not included him in some match day squads, probably put in place a personal training plan - get stronger, fitter and more resilient - and now integrating him back in now the pressure is off a bit. With the exception of Chair and possibly Dembele, the only one that can really execute a defence splitting pass and probably the only player in the team that has the ability to help us transition at pace with his vision and quick release skills.
He’s a profile of player we severely lack. Someone that can use the ball intelligently. Yes we’ve needed much more from him and the last 3 games are just a start but players, especially ones that are inexperienced to English football need time. Quite a few on here were ready to write him off and take a hit on the finances rather than see if we could address the weaknesses. Time will tell but think trying to develop and improve him as we’re doing, is the right approach. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:09]
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:14 - Apr 20 with 963 views | JamesB1979 |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:32 - Apr 20 by Northernr |
The other thing, I've mentioned this in the match report and Nadera brought it up last week...
It's all well and good doing it now. The sun's out. the season's over, we're safe, the pressure is off, we're playing some poor sides. Where was this when we needed it? It's not much use playing well now.
That's not just singling out Madsen either. Ashby on Saturday was charging about, chucking himself into sliding tackles, throwing himself about, whirling his arms around. Great to see, but we're four games out from the end of the year, playing a crap Preston side in a dead rubber. Where was this before? He's been fcking drek for months, now the pressure is off he's going all Mark Dennis.
As Nadera and a few others have said, it's about mentality at this club. Very self satisfied and self congratulatory when it's going well, run and hide the very second it's not. |
Of course what Madsen has done in last few games doesn’t mean we forget the rest of the season. But I certainly wouldn’t classify Oxford away as one of those games. That game was massive and he played a part. Also, I think all we can ask for is improvement and he’s definitely improving. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:16 - Apr 20 with 945 views | Northernr |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:14 - Apr 20 by JamesB1979 |
Of course what Madsen has done in last few games doesn’t mean we forget the rest of the season. But I certainly wouldn’t classify Oxford away as one of those games. That game was massive and he played a part. Also, I think all we can ask for is improvement and he’s definitely improving. |
Oxford have been the worst team we've played twice. It's their two worst performances of the season. And we still nearly took a 2-0 lead in that game and torched it.
But, look, I agree, he's improving, and thank God for that. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:21 - Apr 20 with 904 views | Northernr |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:07 - Apr 20 by PhilmyRs |
I get this but isn’t this whole Madsen debate also about player development? Madsen, clearly struggled during those early parts of the season where you wanted him to stand up and fight but where was the sympathetic, “will take him time and investment from the club to develop and be ready”? (Patience). For me, I’m still not convinced but was clear people were jumping on his back early and was often singled out. I think the Manager has handled him well. Taken him out the firing line when not playing well, not included him in some match day squads, probably put in place a personal training plan - get stronger, fitter and more resilient - and now integrating him back in now the pressure is off a bit. With the exception of Chair and possibly Dembele, the only one that can really execute a defence splitting pass and probably the only player in the team that has the ability to help us transition at pace with his vision and quick release skills.
He’s a profile of player we severely lack. Someone that can use the ball intelligently. Yes we’ve needed much more from him and the last 3 games are just a start but players, especially ones that are inexperienced to English football need time. Quite a few on here were ready to write him off and take a hit on the finances rather than see if we could address the weaknesses. Time will tell but think trying to develop and improve him as we’re doing, is the right approach. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:09]
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There's less patience because of the money he cost, and because of the way he was identified and scouted. Neither of which are his fault, of course. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:31 - Apr 20 with 873 views | KensalT |
Thanks for that. It's really interesting.
My first thought is that this explains why certain teams like Brighton think they can dispense with scouting and rely on data and psychological analysis to fill in the gaps on assessing player personality.
That's not to say that I agree with it.
Two concerns in particular from the article.
1. The psychologist says that:
“It’s hard to figure out their exact meaning, but we’re no longer blind"
So leaving aside how the data is even collected they acknowledge that interpretation is difficult.
2. Players can have access to the data and use it to shape their own body language:
"Pelka says: “There was a defender who was very interested in the findings … how to use his body language to lead and show others the way [to play]. It doesn’t happen overnight, but if you have a starting point of how things look on the pitch, it’s much easier to work on it.”
So essentially players can learn to fake it. Which they will do once they know they are being rated and graded on it!
(How long before we have a theatre critic on the coaching staff!?)
Overall this is just another step towards identikit players who have to meet certain "profiles" and won't even be looked at if they don't.
On the other hand our two most revered players this century were discarded by Spurs (Taarabt) and Arsenal (Eze) because they weren't deemed to have the right application.
So for lesser clubs like us who probably can't afford to invest in such strategies, or won't get the best players even if we do, then there might be a few gems on offer if you're willing to look beyond the data and follow your instincts once in a while. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:42]
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:55 - Apr 20 with 775 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I have always liked him, probably because I do like skilful players (Wegerle was the reason I support Rangers) and we do have an illustrious history of mavericks. Obviously, modern football demands that your skilful players need to work harder now and many of the 70s mavericks would sadly be considered unsustainable luxuries, maybe getting five minutes at the end of a match if you're looking for a goal. I hope he has a good preseason and we continue to see him getting more involved next season. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:04 - Apr 20 with 549 views | stainrods_elbow |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:07 - Apr 20 by PhilmyRs |
I get this but isn’t this whole Madsen debate also about player development? Madsen, clearly struggled during those early parts of the season where you wanted him to stand up and fight but where was the sympathetic, “will take him time and investment from the club to develop and be ready”? (Patience). For me, I’m still not convinced but was clear people were jumping on his back early and was often singled out. I think the Manager has handled him well. Taken him out the firing line when not playing well, not included him in some match day squads, probably put in place a personal training plan - get stronger, fitter and more resilient - and now integrating him back in now the pressure is off a bit. With the exception of Chair and possibly Dembele, the only one that can really execute a defence splitting pass and probably the only player in the team that has the ability to help us transition at pace with his vision and quick release skills.
He’s a profile of player we severely lack. Someone that can use the ball intelligently. Yes we’ve needed much more from him and the last 3 games are just a start but players, especially ones that are inexperienced to English football need time. Quite a few on here were ready to write him off and take a hit on the finances rather than see if we could address the weaknesses. Time will tell but think trying to develop and improve him as we’re doing, is the right approach. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:09]
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I wish I had a job where I could be 'taken out of the firing line' for months because I don't fancy it/am not up to it while still getting paid handsomely for it. (Oh, no, sorry, I don't - I've too much pride, so I work for people, as far as possible, doing work I love to the highest possible standards - how quaint!) The elephant in the room - unfortunate for the Nourry haters - is also Marti's judgment of a player, having told us when Madsen arrived what a great player he was.
We've had a few players like this over the years, with varying results. Players like Mike Fillery, Esteban Granero, and Akos Buzacky - 'silky' players, if you will, who sometimes went missing. But the likes of Fillery still had a lot more competitive nous than Madsen's big toe, and, even though one of our managers apparently thought him so soft he butted heads with him in the dressing room, he was a lot more gifted, whereas Madsen can spray a crossfield ball and take a corner and that's about it, unless I'm missing something.
Players like Frey, Andersen and Madsen, in different ways, are fine if you're happy to be in the bottom half, have them do the odd thing against mostly sub-par opposition, and watch them prance/flounce/charge about for a limited number of games (before getting injured or collapsing in a heap) for limited returns. As ever, a lot depends on what the club wants, can deliver, and how low/high we fans' expectations are. [Post edited 20 Apr 17:07]
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:40 - Apr 20 with 502 views | KensalT |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 17:04 - Apr 20 by stainrods_elbow |
I wish I had a job where I could be 'taken out of the firing line' for months because I don't fancy it/am not up to it while still getting paid handsomely for it. (Oh, no, sorry, I don't - I've too much pride, so I work for people, as far as possible, doing work I love to the highest possible standards - how quaint!) The elephant in the room - unfortunate for the Nourry haters - is also Marti's judgment of a player, having told us when Madsen arrived what a great player he was.
We've had a few players like this over the years, with varying results. Players like Mike Fillery, Esteban Granero, and Akos Buzacky - 'silky' players, if you will, who sometimes went missing. But the likes of Fillery still had a lot more competitive nous than Madsen's big toe, and, even though one of our managers apparently thought him so soft he butted heads with him in the dressing room, he was a lot more gifted, whereas Madsen can spray a crossfield ball and take a corner and that's about it, unless I'm missing something.
Players like Frey, Andersen and Madsen, in different ways, are fine if you're happy to be in the bottom half, have them do the odd thing against mostly sub-par opposition, and watch them prance/flounce/charge about for a limited number of games (before getting injured or collapsing in a heap) for limited returns. As ever, a lot depends on what the club wants, can deliver, and how low/high we fans' expectations are. [Post edited 20 Apr 17:07]
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"The elephant in the room - unfortunate for the Nourry haters - is also Marti's judgment of a player, having told us when Madsen arrived what a great player he was."
1. I've yet to see any manager introduce a new signing as "a bag of shite who'd better get used to training with the kids"
2. Where are these quotes from Cifuentes praising Madsen when he signed? I can't find them.
There's nothing from MC when Madsen was announced on the official website:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2024/august/23/nicolas-madsen-in-profile/
Nothing from MC on WLS:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-wls-qpr-madsen-signing
And nothing from MC on the LFW piece:
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/news/62838/is-madsen-the-man-to-solve-qpr | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 19:15 - Apr 20 with 327 views | Superhoops2808 |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:52 - Apr 20 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
When the team is on the front foot going forward Madsen looks class and 10 chances created in 3 games is really impressive. Can he still do it when we are up against stronger opposition?
Don't think it is a coincidence that the 2nd half was much better when Dembele had been removed and replaced by Smyth, who works a lot harder off the ball. |
Dont often agree with you, but that second paragraph is absolutely nail on the head. Smyth should start with Dembele as a replacement - Does not warrant starting ahead of Smyth thats for sure |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 23:03 - Apr 20 with 87 views | Stainrod |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:07 - Apr 20 by PhilmyRs |
I get this but isn’t this whole Madsen debate also about player development? Madsen, clearly struggled during those early parts of the season where you wanted him to stand up and fight but where was the sympathetic, “will take him time and investment from the club to develop and be ready”? (Patience). For me, I’m still not convinced but was clear people were jumping on his back early and was often singled out. I think the Manager has handled him well. Taken him out the firing line when not playing well, not included him in some match day squads, probably put in place a personal training plan - get stronger, fitter and more resilient - and now integrating him back in now the pressure is off a bit. With the exception of Chair and possibly Dembele, the only one that can really execute a defence splitting pass and probably the only player in the team that has the ability to help us transition at pace with his vision and quick release skills.
He’s a profile of player we severely lack. Someone that can use the ball intelligently. Yes we’ve needed much more from him and the last 3 games are just a start but players, especially ones that are inexperienced to English football need time. Quite a few on here were ready to write him off and take a hit on the finances rather than see if we could address the weaknesses. Time will tell but think trying to develop and improve him as we’re doing, is the right approach. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:09]
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Some good points here but the crucial one you don’t address, surely, is attitude: you say he “struggled”, suggesting we should be understanding and patient.
But where was the effort? The fight? The sense of responsibility? Even if no one told him the Championship was a pretty tough, physical league, surely after he had spent his first 10 or 20 games as a virtual spectator watching often technically inferior players brush past him with contempt, it surely must have dawned on him that he needed to pull his finger out just a bit?
I’m delighted he has shown some improvement but I won’t easily forget the lack of application for 90% of the season. Nothing you have said gives him a get out of jail free card for that in my view.
He is a long way short of the flair players mentioned like Mike Fillery, let alone the Weagerles, Wilkins and Curries. And in the current age of fitness and application we are not a strong enough team to carry someone who won’t track back or close down.
I would genuinely be delighted to eat humble pie about Madsen but so far I don’t feel obliged to take it out of the fridge, let alone eat any of it | | | |
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