| The Madsen rehabilitation thread 17:02 - Apr 12 with 43052 views | queensparker |
Well, I don’t want to get too excited, but fair play to our Danish Pirlo.
I kind of saw the point of him today |  | | |  |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:07 - May 4 with 3376 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 09:58 - May 4 by TK1 |
Increasingly, he reminds me of Mike Fillery - which I know is a bit of a niche comparison, you have to be 45+ to remember him.
But he was another 'number 8' with a great first touch, lovely eye for a pass, tidy with the ball in tight areas, kept things ticking along possession-wise, curly mullet and could finish...but would also drift through long passages of play, appeared to be half as fast as everyone else and you'd often forget he was playing, as would he. If memory serves, he was often in competition with Robbie James for the position - James was essentially the same player but a stone (or two) heavier.
Anyway, we muddled along with Fillery/James in the number 8 shirt for a couple of seasons fairly comfortably and increasingly I feel we'll muddle on with Madsen/Field/A.N.Other in that role for another season, depending on the coach's 'game model'. |
Fillery...(shudder)...
Not a bad comparison at all. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:16 - May 4 with 3290 views | francisbowles |
New club, new country and The Championship. Players usually take time to adapt to change, some longer than others.
He was taken out of the match day squad for a while and, it may be, that he was given intense individual coaching on how to make a better contribution.
Madsen definitely has really struggled to get to grips with it but in the last few games he has shown very positive signs that he is finally starting to get it. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:42 - May 4 with 3167 views | BAWHoops |
He will probably be fine with Varane and Field behind. But if we are going down that route I think Chair in the middle is better |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:43 - May 4 with 3159 views | TK1 |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:07 - May 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Fillery...(shudder)...
Not a bad comparison at all. |
Teenager at the time and I just remember the dog's abuse Fillery got from all around in the Loft. Being Chelsea didn't help, but he was lazy and half-arsed - and then, out of the blue, he'd pull something majestic out of the blue, a pass, a turn or dummy and you'd wonder where this guy had been for an hour. To his advantage was not being Gary Chivers, who was the ex-Chels I really hated in that team.
Like Madsen, I imagine Fillery was a world class five or seven-a-side player, amazing at beach football too. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:45 - May 4 with 3154 views | baz_qpr |
I've never bought into the effort thing. I'm sure if you saw his tracker stats for most games they would be in line with most other players, for running. What I do think is that he really struggled to adapt to the pace and phsyicality of the league and then had a really hard time mentally coping with that. I think he has made huge progress in the last month or so, yesterday playing as an 8 in a slightly different system.
Frey was terrible for the first 4 months he was here, but this season after working hard in pre season he has looked a very good striker in this league. I am hopeful Madsen will kick on from here with a full pre-season under his belt |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:58 - May 4 with 3078 views | Rsole |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:43 - May 4 by TK1 |
Teenager at the time and I just remember the dog's abuse Fillery got from all around in the Loft. Being Chelsea didn't help, but he was lazy and half-arsed - and then, out of the blue, he'd pull something majestic out of the blue, a pass, a turn or dummy and you'd wonder where this guy had been for an hour. To his advantage was not being Gary Chivers, who was the ex-Chels I really hated in that team.
Like Madsen, I imagine Fillery was a world class five or seven-a-side player, amazing at beach football too. |
Fillery split opinions just like Madsen.
I remember the abuse as much as the plaudits when the skill finally rose to the top. Just didn’t happen often or consistently enough. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:01 - May 4 with 3056 views | Northernr |
Now that was good yesterday. Maybe we’re getting somewhere! |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:06 - May 4 with 3030 views | PhilmyRs |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:16 - May 4 by francisbowles |
New club, new country and The Championship. Players usually take time to adapt to change, some longer than others.
He was taken out of the match day squad for a while and, it may be, that he was given intense individual coaching on how to make a better contribution.
Madsen definitely has really struggled to get to grips with it but in the last few games he has shown very positive signs that he is finally starting to get it. |
Agree with this.
All players take differently to a change of league/country etc and just seems to be that Madsen has taken longer than we’d hoped but he’s shown improvement and that’s key. Would feel a bit of waste to have invested so much time and money in helping him get up to speed and improve to then discard.
Having said the above , I do have concerns over how Madsen will fit into the team longer term which partly reflects the lopsided recruitment. For me, he would be most effective with legs and speed around him - Madsen getting on the ball more but with athletes around him. Chair, Dembele, Collback,Frey…I’m not sure they’re a great fit together. I wonder if it should be 1 of Chair, Dembele and Madsen, and you would have that 1 as Chair more often than not. I could be wrong though as he played a different, deeper role yesterday so you never know.
One final thought, we’re a fanbase that likes to write players off quickly but also criticise the willingness to invest in training and developing players. Here we have someone that is a good age, we paid a lot of money for, has finished the season well and shown glimpses but he’s considered sh*t and someone we should bin off. Just seems you can’t have it both ways. | | | |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:12 - May 4 with 3000 views | Lblock |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 07:29 - May 4 by nix |
Harsh again. I'm sure you'll think Colback had a great game as people seem to adore Colback. He though won one duel in 62 minutes and made no tackles, blocks, interceptions or clearances. He got no goals, assists, key passes, big chances or made one cross.
Madsen got a goal and created a big chance he made three clearances, one I remember was an important one from the centre of the box and won a duel, he also attempted more than Colback.
I know he could be doing still more but it seems a strange match to call him out on when we wouldn't have won without him. I think he's becoming more physical and certainly more involved. He's got three assists and a goal in the last six matches, admittedly after a terrible start. Surely that's worth another season? |
I’m not “calling him out on yesterday’s game”; I’ve formulated my opinion of the fella over a period of time.
Look, I’d like nothing more for him to come back in August and rip it up and make me look a mug.
It won’t be the first time - I was a huge critic of Chris Willock in his early days with us.
Made me look a the big prat that I am when clearly doing strength work over the summer and, more importantly, listening to the coaches getting in his ear about effecting games, being confident, working hard etc, etc
I’m always up for being wrong and putting my hands up.
We’ll see on this one |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:42 - May 4 with 2733 views | nix |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:12 - May 4 by Lblock |
I’m not “calling him out on yesterday’s game”; I’ve formulated my opinion of the fella over a period of time.
Look, I’d like nothing more for him to come back in August and rip it up and make me look a mug.
It won’t be the first time - I was a huge critic of Chris Willock in his early days with us.
Made me look a the big prat that I am when clearly doing strength work over the summer and, more importantly, listening to the coaches getting in his ear about effecting games, being confident, working hard etc, etc
I’m always up for being wrong and putting my hands up.
We’ll see on this one |
I've also got things wrong - defending Dozzell for way too long, for instance. What was I thinking?
But I'd like to see Madsen for at least another pre-season with hopefully a lot of hard work and transfer window given his undoubted recent goal involvement and because we're unlikely to recoup our investment anyway.
Agree with we'll see. |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:20 - May 4 with 2414 views | BrizR |
On the subject of Dozzell, Madsen already has more goal involvements (3 goals, 3 assists) from 34 games than Andre managed in two and a half seasons here. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:25 - May 4 with 2397 views | nadera78 |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 08:52 - May 4 by QPROslo |
We shouldn't sell Madsen now. If we did his technical ability is such that we'd get whatever we paid back for him imo, perhaps more. But as long as he continues his recent form into next season he will be a valuable player for us on the park and quite likely we'll turn a profit on him if we wanted to later on. |
I'd like to meet the DoF who, having seen Madsen look out of his depth all season long and then turn in 4 half-decent games, would pay what we did for him last summer. His value has fallen this season, that's unarguable. If we sold him now - assuming someone was willing to pay for him - then we'd lose money and to suggest otherwise is fanciful.
That said, the club is in such a dire position that all we can do is hope the past few weeks are the start of a genuine turnaround. That's the only chance we've got of getting some money back for him. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 18:26 - May 4 with 2141 views | HantsR |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 07:26 - May 4 by Rsole |
God sent him….
On a feckin’ Suzuki ? |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 18:43 - May 4 with 2105 views | CiderwithRsie |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:07 - May 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Fillery...(shudder)...
Not a bad comparison at all. |
I remember Mike Fillery coming up in conversation with a Spurs supporting mate at the time, and he just shrugged and said "flatters to deceive".
That strikes me as Madsen to a T. Very good spot. [Post edited 4 May 18:44]
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 18:47 - May 4 with 2096 views | CiderwithRsie |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:25 - May 4 by nadera78 |
I'd like to meet the DoF who, having seen Madsen look out of his depth all season long and then turn in 4 half-decent games, would pay what we did for him last summer. His value has fallen this season, that's unarguable. If we sold him now - assuming someone was willing to pay for him - then we'd lose money and to suggest otherwise is fanciful.
That said, the club is in such a dire position that all we can do is hope the past few weeks are the start of a genuine turnaround. That's the only chance we've got of getting some money back for him. |
I think this is on the money.
I don't think there's a stick-or-twist option, we are just going to have to stick. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 19:32 - May 4 with 2010 views | daveB |
I thought he was dreadful until the Oxford game and since then we've seen signs he might actually come good, liked his performance yesterday and worked really hard for the team which hasn't been the case often enough this season
I'd still look to sell him if we can this summer, I'm not sure it's going to work long term in this league but as I say some good positive signs the last few weeks that he's going to prove me wrong |  | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 19:34 - May 4 with 1999 views | Rsole |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 18:26 - May 4 by HantsR |
One of my favourite films |
Somewhat ‘committed,’ the both of us. | |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 23:34 - May 4 with 1737 views | Logman |
I think Madsen might turn it around because he is intelligent. To make it at the top level you need intelligence, either a natural intelligence of the game or a learned intelligence. It's a defining factor. I won't go into the players who I don't think are going to get there, but I can see Madsen becoming a round peg in a round hole. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:02 - May 5 with 1376 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:25 - May 4 by nadera78 |
I'd like to meet the DoF who, having seen Madsen look out of his depth all season long and then turn in 4 half-decent games, would pay what we did for him last summer. His value has fallen this season, that's unarguable. If we sold him now - assuming someone was willing to pay for him - then we'd lose money and to suggest otherwise is fanciful.
That said, the club is in such a dire position that all we can do is hope the past few weeks are the start of a genuine turnaround. That's the only chance we've got of getting some money back for him. |
Madsen was a gamble that no other club was prepared to take due to his known lack of physicality and assumed unsuitability for the championship.
What we have seen this season confirms those assumptions. What we have also seen, however, is a player with good technical ability that is composed on the ball and capable of scoring goals and creating chances for others. He is also extremely adept at dead ball situations.
I think it is fair to say that he is beginning to adapt and recognise what is needed to be successful in this league and with a full pre-season behind him, we could be pleasantly surprised by what he contributes next season.
Great attitude as well. | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 11:31 - May 5 with 1262 views | Dorse |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 10:02 - May 5 by Burnleyhoop |
Madsen was a gamble that no other club was prepared to take due to his known lack of physicality and assumed unsuitability for the championship.
What we have seen this season confirms those assumptions. What we have also seen, however, is a player with good technical ability that is composed on the ball and capable of scoring goals and creating chances for others. He is also extremely adept at dead ball situations.
I think it is fair to say that he is beginning to adapt and recognise what is needed to be successful in this league and with a full pre-season behind him, we could be pleasantly surprised by what he contributes next season.
Great attitude as well. |
That pretty much sums up where I am with Madsen. I really want him to come good and we can all see the positives in him. It looks, to me at least, like he is making progress towards where we all want him to be.
No-one would suggest he's the finished article: there are too many inconsistencies in his game and his overall influence to make that assertion.
However, I can see why people rate his technical ability vision and creativity, based on his recent output. It isn't down to me but, if he starts next season the way he ended this one, I think we will keep him on. My question is this: how do we set up, if Madsen is a starter? I'm still unsure which role suits him best. |  |
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| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 12:27 - May 5 with 1136 views | oldmeadoniansR |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 16:20 - May 4 by BrizR |
On the subject of Dozzell, Madsen already has more goal involvements (3 goals, 3 assists) from 34 games than Andre managed in two and a half seasons here. |
Things are looking up for Madsen. We have established that he is not 'the friendly ghost' mk 2 | | | |
| The Madsen rehabilitation thread on 13:42 - May 5 with 994 views | gazza1 |
It has been a pretty poor overall season for the lad, he has got good technical ability, more than most of our side, he is getting better, his last few games have shown the ability that he has, a well taken goal at Sunderland. It is very poor how 'so called' supporters have been on his case massive. | | | |
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