| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 66429 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:48 - Apr 25 with 1975 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:36 - Apr 25 by GaryHaddock |
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Lol, different circumstances, Hoos response was justified to the 'fan' trying to wind him up and not accepting Hoos invitation for a proper talk.
Most fans backed Hoos at the time.
Twenty years ago I was in the pub with the then club chairman. When the subject of the owner came up the chairman told me, 'there is so much one can say but obviously can't.'
Different times I guess. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:52 - Apr 25 with 1930 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:48 - Apr 25 by rbee |
Lol, different circumstances, Hoos response was justified to the 'fan' trying to wind him up and not accepting Hoos invitation for a proper talk.
Most fans backed Hoos at the time.
Twenty years ago I was in the pub with the then club chairman. When the subject of the owner came up the chairman told me, 'there is so much one can say but obviously can't.'
Different times I guess. |
I know mate I was being unfairly facetious.
I’m actually not so down on Hoos as some, I’ve seen how he is around fans on a match day. He really cares and has actually performed wonders financially with this club so that photo was unfair, and probably a lot more restrained than I’d have been. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:58 - Apr 25 with 1877 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:52 - Apr 25 by GaryHaddock |
I know mate I was being unfairly facetious.
I’m actually not so down on Hoos as some, I’ve seen how he is around fans on a match day. He really cares and has actually performed wonders financially with this club so that photo was unfair, and probably a lot more restrained than I’d have been. |
It is almost impossible to transmit tongue in cheek on the internet!!
With you on Hoos, I think he has done a good job overall for us.
I think if he had arrived at the club a few years earlier we would never have breached the FFP regulations [Post edited 25 Apr 14:01]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:04 - Apr 25 with 1823 views | Rangersw12 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:24 - Apr 25 by rbee |
Seriously? The Chairman of the football club is in the pub bad mouthing the club manager?
You couldn't make it up, I thought Hoos had a bit more about him than that. |
Really !
Hoos has always come across as a typical loudmouth Yank to me .
Really don't understand how he's still at the club tbh |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:12 - Apr 25 with 1755 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:04 - Apr 25 by Rangersw12 |
Really !
Hoos has always come across as a typical loudmouth Yank to me .
Really don't understand how he's still at the club tbh |
Wow!
Would love to hear your thoughts on Philip Beard! | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:15 - Apr 25 with 1736 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:12 - Apr 25 by rbee |
Wow!
Would love to hear your thoughts on Philip Beard! |
I am far from a Hoos fan but he wasn't on Beards level of rubbishness. Beard was a massive ****. Ase useless as a pair of glasses on a man with one ear. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:38 - Apr 25 with 1606 views | R_from_afar |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:42 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
He has walked every 18 months. Yes, maybe to get another job, but he has walked. He choses not to stay. That's a fact.
You can't build long term if a manager does that.
I'm pretty comfortable with MC going. We move on, hopefully with some fat compensation and find someone who does want to be here. |
"He has walked every 18 months. Yes, maybe to get another job, but he has walked. He choses not to stay. That's a fact".
It is only a fact if you change "choses" (sic) to "chose". I understand that past behaviour is indicative of future behaviour, but people can change their ways.  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:45 - Apr 25 with 1572 views | slmrstid |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 14:38 - Apr 25 by R_from_afar |
"He has walked every 18 months. Yes, maybe to get another job, but he has walked. He choses not to stay. That's a fact".
It is only a fact if you change "choses" (sic) to "chose". I understand that past behaviour is indicative of future behaviour, but people can change their ways. |
I dunno, financial institutions are always very keen to point out that past performance is not indicative of future performance... |  | | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:03 - Apr 25 with 1475 views | QPROslo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:24 - Apr 25 by rbee |
Seriously? The Chairman of the football club is in the pub bad mouthing the club manager?
You couldn't make it up, I thought Hoos had a bit more about him than that. |
I think he has. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:06 - Apr 25 with 1464 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:03 - Apr 25 by QPROslo |
I think he has. |
a certain singing waiter used to make a habit of it most weeks in pubs u name it , lets say he hated ollie big time |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:11 - Apr 25 with 1419 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:03 - Apr 25 by QPROslo |
I think he has. |
I sincerely hope so!
Can you put any more meat on the bone Markofthegrove? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:14 - Apr 25 with 1387 views | derbyhoop |
Our main issue is, and will always be, finances.
Almost everything else stems from that.
We haven't got the resources to spend £5m+ on that elusive 20 goal a season striker. We take risks with players who have questionable fitness records, because they are all we can afford.
The number of players coming through from the Youth setup has been minimal. Eze, Chair and even Lloyd joined us in their late teens.
Even Marti came as a relatively unknown coach.
All we can do is build slowly and hope to put together a promotion chasing side over time. Stability of management would help. Recruitment won't always be successful but I'm encouraged by what was done over the last 12 months. This last season has been dictated by a remarkable run of medium to long term injuries to key players. That has to be a bone of contention, especially when the Performance Director is phoning it in from Dubai.
I hope Marti and Nourry can sit down, as adults, and address the factors that hold us back. I wouldn't expect anything less. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:17 - Apr 25 with 1362 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:03 - Apr 25 by Markofthegrove |
This is up for debate as Nourry has been quoted as saying he was part of the team that identified Marti.
He was happy to tell myself, Clive and others that in January. |
remember reading that but didnt the club also say we was intrested in him beofre but the buy ot clause was around a million quid ? think htat was pre beale or ainsworth so if that is true nourry is telling pork pies | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:25 - Apr 25 with 1333 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:17 - Apr 25 by wombat |
remember reading that but didnt the club also say we was intrested in him beofre but the buy ot clause was around a million quid ? think htat was pre beale or ainsworth so if that is true nourry is telling pork pies |
At the first on the record/off the record fan sites meeting with Nourry, he was very firm that he had led on the Cifuentes appointment.
If you put Cifuentes’ name into the search of this site you’ll see that in December 2022 we said the club had been keen, and Marti also, at the point they appointed Critchley, but the buy out fee had put them off and Critchley was available for free.
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/news/59119/convenience-coincidence-and-co |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:36 - Apr 25 with 1267 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:25 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
At the first on the record/off the record fan sites meeting with Nourry, he was very firm that he had led on the Cifuentes appointment.
If you put Cifuentes’ name into the search of this site you’ll see that in December 2022 we said the club had been keen, and Marti also, at the point they appointed Critchley, but the buy out fee had put them off and Critchley was available for free.
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/news/59119/convenience-coincidence-and-co |
cheers clive so nourry is talking bollox then , feck thats a suppirse | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:38 - Apr 25 with 1258 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:36 - Apr 25 by wombat |
cheers clive so nourry is talking bollox then , feck thats a suppirse |
I mean it’s possible we just plucked the name of the Spanish bloke managing Hammarby out of thin air in December 22 and slung it in there for clout. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:40 - Apr 25 with 1246 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:25 - Apr 25 by CLAREMAN1995 |
He has walked as you say or to put it another way moved on to a better oppertunity for himself and to further his career.
I get the feeling all roads for Marti lead to England or Spain and now that he has got a foothold in England he might stick it out at QPR until he gets an offer from the PL.
He never ends any interview without mentioning the fans (I understand he is prompted) but that is fairly unique in most interviews I see so the connection runs deep here IMO.
This is a massive month now for us ,finish strong ,announce Marti is already working on his team for next season and have the injury fiasco addressed and sorted out then we can enjoy the summer |
I just want to state that I would like MC to stay, but I think it is pretty obvious that isn't going to happen.
What I'm not going to do is lose any sleep over it. Managers come and go, yet we all still rock up once or twice a week for 8 months of the year.
He is one manager who has done a decent job. I think Clive once mentioned in a match report regarding Kieran Morgan that because he ran, tackled, and pressed, he was a revelation, but the bar had gotten so low due to what had happened before. There is a danger we view MC the same way, so let's not forget what came before.
Yes, he did well, but a squad with Chair, Willock, etc, should have been doing better. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:43 - Apr 25 with 1222 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:38 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
I mean it’s possible we just plucked the name of the Spanish bloke managing Hammarby out of thin air in December 22 and slung it in there for clout. |
anything its possible esp in football , us winning at burnley finney buying a pint , jonesy finding a bin cupboard to sleep in . ill go talking bollox on this occasion though from nourry . | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:48 - Apr 25 with 1178 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:40 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I just want to state that I would like MC to stay, but I think it is pretty obvious that isn't going to happen.
What I'm not going to do is lose any sleep over it. Managers come and go, yet we all still rock up once or twice a week for 8 months of the year.
He is one manager who has done a decent job. I think Clive once mentioned in a match report regarding Kieran Morgan that because he ran, tackled, and pressed, he was a revelation, but the bar had gotten so low due to what had happened before. There is a danger we view MC the same way, so let's not forget what came before.
Yes, he did well, but a squad with Chair, Willock, etc, should have been doing better. |
thing is we are in danger of losing a manager with very few faults you can lay at his feet, Thats rare for us these days , you mention willock , who by the time he had inherited him had given up more than his hamstrings had done , im still amazed he kept us up with the players he had aval . this years has been an improvment . and likely next season would also with the right players coming in during the summer also been an improvment , issue will be as always nourrys scouring the lower leages of south america etc and going whole hog as we did at the start of this season with players who had no idea how to play football twice a week at a standard they had never played before , | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:53 - Apr 25 with 1120 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:40 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I just want to state that I would like MC to stay, but I think it is pretty obvious that isn't going to happen.
What I'm not going to do is lose any sleep over it. Managers come and go, yet we all still rock up once or twice a week for 8 months of the year.
He is one manager who has done a decent job. I think Clive once mentioned in a match report regarding Kieran Morgan that because he ran, tackled, and pressed, he was a revelation, but the bar had gotten so low due to what had happened before. There is a danger we view MC the same way, so let's not forget what came before.
Yes, he did well, but a squad with Chair, Willock, etc, should have been doing better. |
I understand what you are saying and there is plenty you can criticise him with. Thing is, isn't it OK just to like the guy? Not even for any outstanding football reasons, I just think he has given the place a lift, with his persona....and with the chant. It's fun to have a manager that the majority seem to like and get behind and sing about, compared to the normal moans, groans and critiques every two minutes.
I know that's a bit base, but it is about my level :-).
He is similar to Warbs in my book, only difference really being that Warbs' didn't have a good chant. At all.
I was sad when we lost Warbs and I will be sad when we lose Marti. As you say, though, the Rangers will roll on. In the wrong direction, no doubt. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:00 - Apr 25 with 1059 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:40 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I just want to state that I would like MC to stay, but I think it is pretty obvious that isn't going to happen.
What I'm not going to do is lose any sleep over it. Managers come and go, yet we all still rock up once or twice a week for 8 months of the year.
He is one manager who has done a decent job. I think Clive once mentioned in a match report regarding Kieran Morgan that because he ran, tackled, and pressed, he was a revelation, but the bar had gotten so low due to what had happened before. There is a danger we view MC the same way, so let's not forget what came before.
Yes, he did well, but a squad with Chair, Willock, etc, should have been doing better. |
When we talk about what went before, you’re totally right, after the Beale/Critchley/Ainsworth debacle anybody capable of turning up dressed for work and keeping away games at Watford down to a slim 2-0 half time deficit was going to look good and be warmly received. Totally agree with you.
But before that we had a manager who, on the whole (with many notable exceptions), at least tried to play the sort of football we want to see us play. He also parred the course for our wage bill - 13th, 9th, 11th was exactly where we should be for our spend. If you read down the Championship league table it’s increasingly just a list of wage bills. Leeds pay the most, they’re top, Plymouth pay the least, they’re bottom. There are a few anomalies as you go along (Stoke and Luton) but by and large that’s what this league is now.
If you have a manager at qpr parring that course, be very careful about getting rid of them because plenty haven’t been able to do it - a former England manager wasn’t able to do it.
Warburton was sacked in part (only in part, I accept he made plenty of mistakes in the final year) because he was seen as stubborn, wanted more control and power, wouldn’t accept what was being handed down by the CEO/DOF, and told them some home truths they didn’t like about their development model, academy and staff. Much of what he said proved to be true. We drove ourselves off a two year cliff edge. We only survived that cliff fall because the current manager came in and did us a solid.
Now here we are again. The manager parring the course has personality clashes etc.
Those who don’t learn from history condemned to repeat it etc. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:10 - Apr 25 with 991 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:00 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
When we talk about what went before, you’re totally right, after the Beale/Critchley/Ainsworth debacle anybody capable of turning up dressed for work and keeping away games at Watford down to a slim 2-0 half time deficit was going to look good and be warmly received. Totally agree with you.
But before that we had a manager who, on the whole (with many notable exceptions), at least tried to play the sort of football we want to see us play. He also parred the course for our wage bill - 13th, 9th, 11th was exactly where we should be for our spend. If you read down the Championship league table it’s increasingly just a list of wage bills. Leeds pay the most, they’re top, Plymouth pay the least, they’re bottom. There are a few anomalies as you go along (Stoke and Luton) but by and large that’s what this league is now.
If you have a manager at qpr parring that course, be very careful about getting rid of them because plenty haven’t been able to do it - a former England manager wasn’t able to do it.
Warburton was sacked in part (only in part, I accept he made plenty of mistakes in the final year) because he was seen as stubborn, wanted more control and power, wouldn’t accept what was being handed down by the CEO/DOF, and told them some home truths they didn’t like about their development model, academy and staff. Much of what he said proved to be true. We drove ourselves off a two year cliff edge. We only survived that cliff fall because the current manager came in and did us a solid.
Now here we are again. The manager parring the course has personality clashes etc.
Those who don’t learn from history condemned to repeat it etc. |
And we massively overspent on wages in the PL but couldn't get close to parring the course:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/qpr-higher-wage-bill-than-atlet | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:12 - Apr 25 with 980 views | BeauRanger |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:14 - Apr 25 by derbyhoop |
Our main issue is, and will always be, finances.
Almost everything else stems from that.
We haven't got the resources to spend £5m+ on that elusive 20 goal a season striker. We take risks with players who have questionable fitness records, because they are all we can afford.
The number of players coming through from the Youth setup has been minimal. Eze, Chair and even Lloyd joined us in their late teens.
Even Marti came as a relatively unknown coach.
All we can do is build slowly and hope to put together a promotion chasing side over time. Stability of management would help. Recruitment won't always be successful but I'm encouraged by what was done over the last 12 months. This last season has been dictated by a remarkable run of medium to long term injuries to key players. That has to be a bone of contention, especially when the Performance Director is phoning it in from Dubai.
I hope Marti and Nourry can sit down, as adults, and address the factors that hold us back. I wouldn't expect anything less. |
But when we’ve had money we’ve wasted it, either from wealthy owners or the subsequent parachute payments when the initial spending in the Prem’ didn’t work. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:14 - Apr 25 with 958 views | Blue_Castello |
Martis pre match interview on the official, very diplomatic, he has a certain class act about him. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:19 - Apr 25 with 915 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:25 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
At the first on the record/off the record fan sites meeting with Nourry, he was very firm that he had led on the Cifuentes appointment.
If you put Cifuentes’ name into the search of this site you’ll see that in December 2022 we said the club had been keen, and Marti also, at the point they appointed Critchley, but the buy out fee had put them off and Critchley was available for free.
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/news/59119/convenience-coincidence-and-co |
What I find is if a manager does well or a signing does well everyone wants to take credit for it.
When Marti came in the club said that marti had been on their radar for a while even when they appointed Beale he was in the running which may well have been bllocks but its what they said so when he did come in he did well and they are all falling over themselves to say it was my idea. Nourry may well have been invovled but am sure if he had been a flop he'd be saying it was nothing to do with me I joined in January
Much like they all want to take credit for Eze but you get less people putting their hand up for signing Maculey Bonne
Bottom line is the club is so full of spin and bullshit they don't know the truth anymore
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