| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 66274 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:23 - Apr 25 with 2446 views | Harbour |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:14 - Apr 25 by Blue_Castello |
Martis pre match interview on the official, very diplomatic, he has a certain class act about him. |
Yes handled it well acknowledged there was chat about him but stated he was under contract and he will work hard as long as he is here…I guess we will know one way or the other after Sunderland game. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:29 - Apr 25 with 2384 views | Northernr |
Oh yeh we were a huge outlier up there, with Kia/Rigg/Taff and then Captain Fcking Wizard Sleeve spending the money. Disgusting.
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:30 - Apr 25 with 2373 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:00 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
When we talk about what went before, you’re totally right, after the Beale/Critchley/Ainsworth debacle anybody capable of turning up dressed for work and keeping away games at Watford down to a slim 2-0 half time deficit was going to look good and be warmly received. Totally agree with you.
But before that we had a manager who, on the whole (with many notable exceptions), at least tried to play the sort of football we want to see us play. He also parred the course for our wage bill - 13th, 9th, 11th was exactly where we should be for our spend. If you read down the Championship league table it’s increasingly just a list of wage bills. Leeds pay the most, they’re top, Plymouth pay the least, they’re bottom. There are a few anomalies as you go along (Stoke and Luton) but by and large that’s what this league is now.
If you have a manager at qpr parring that course, be very careful about getting rid of them because plenty haven’t been able to do it - a former England manager wasn’t able to do it.
Warburton was sacked in part (only in part, I accept he made plenty of mistakes in the final year) because he was seen as stubborn, wanted more control and power, wouldn’t accept what was being handed down by the CEO/DOF, and told them some home truths they didn’t like about their development model, academy and staff. Much of what he said proved to be true. We drove ourselves off a two year cliff edge. We only survived that cliff fall because the current manager came in and did us a solid.
Now here we are again. The manager parring the course has personality clashes etc.
Those who don’t learn from history condemned to repeat it etc. |
I totally get it, but if the MC and Nourry are clashing now, even if they could come to an understanding, Marti has got to go regardless.
The risk that he stays and then the relationship deteriorates further, and he walks/sacked mid season is too high.
Let's not forget that at Brentford Warburton, then Smith both left. Brighton has had numerous managers. They have continued to move forward as they have a plan, and they stick to it regardless.
Sometimes it's just about sticking to your principals and being brave. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:33 - Apr 25 with 2346 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:30 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I totally get it, but if the MC and Nourry are clashing now, even if they could come to an understanding, Marti has got to go regardless.
The risk that he stays and then the relationship deteriorates further, and he walks/sacked mid season is too high.
Let's not forget that at Brentford Warburton, then Smith both left. Brighton has had numerous managers. They have continued to move forward as they have a plan, and they stick to it regardless.
Sometimes it's just about sticking to your principals and being brave. |
Again I agree, it’s basically untenable if that story is accurate, one has to go and it’ll be the manager.
But i still cannot believe after 10 years the owners have finally decided to go down this overarching strategy, manager is essentially bibs balls and cones route, while at the same time smashing the DOF and CEO role into one and giving it to a kid who has never done either job in his life.
Dress it up how you like mate, it’s insane.
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:42 - Apr 25 with 2282 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:30 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I totally get it, but if the MC and Nourry are clashing now, even if they could come to an understanding, Marti has got to go regardless.
The risk that he stays and then the relationship deteriorates further, and he walks/sacked mid season is too high.
Let's not forget that at Brentford Warburton, then Smith both left. Brighton has had numerous managers. They have continued to move forward as they have a plan, and they stick to it regardless.
Sometimes it's just about sticking to your principals and being brave. |
"Sometimes it's just about sticking to your principals and being brave."
That seems like a fair point.
But what are the principles here?
The Sun story said Marti had two complaints:
1. He wasn't allowed to bring in a set-piece coach
2. He is unhappy that the Director of Performance is living overseas and working remotely and part-time.
I don't know why we don't have a set-piece coach, but many other clubs do. If it was just a matter of budget then I guess it's too bad and perhaps we can review it another time.
With regards to point 2 I personally think Marti has a good case. If I'm working with a group of professional athletes in any sport I think the guy responsible for ensuring they are healthy and fit enough to perform is a key member of the team and should be available full-time and on site.
If the club are willing to let Marti go for these reasons then they need to consider if any reputable potential replacement would accept the job without a set-piece coach and with the Director of Performance living on a different continent whilst simultaneously juggling several jobs around the globe.
I think you will struggle to sell the job to someone new if they have to work and be judged against that background.
And if you are forced to accept that the Director of Performance should be f/t and on site then you might as well stick with the manager you have already got, even if it means replacing the Director of Performance. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:47 - Apr 25 with 2250 views | QPRSam |
Words from Marti:
"I know there’s been lots of speculation during the week but the reality is I’m the coach under contract, I’m building for the future of the club and my intention is to keep working for the club"
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:52 - Apr 25 with 2197 views | TK1 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:47 - Apr 25 by QPRSam |
Words from Marti:
"I know there’s been lots of speculation during the week but the reality is I’m the coach under contract, I’m building for the future of the club and my intention is to keep working for the club"
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Talking about how when working at other clubs, his third season is the best. Doesn't sound like an exit interview. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:54 - Apr 25 with 2165 views | Blue_Castello |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:33 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Again I agree, it’s basically untenable if that story is accurate, one has to go and it’ll be the manager.
But i still cannot believe after 10 years the owners have finally decided to go down this overarching strategy, manager is essentially bibs balls and cones route, while at the same time smashing the DOF and CEO role into one and giving it to a kid who has never done either job in his life.
Dress it up how you like mate, it’s insane.
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Interesting you obviously know far more than most but is it really untenable, how about Amit and Ruben get involved they sack off the Performance guy on his holidays in Dubai and get in a set piece coach.
Nourry has to suck it up and get on with it because there's plenty more people out there more than capable of doing the job as CEO/DOF ie somebody with actual experience would be a good start. | | | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:24 - Apr 25 with 1987 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:33 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Again I agree, it’s basically untenable if that story is accurate, one has to go and it’ll be the manager.
But i still cannot believe after 10 years the owners have finally decided to go down this overarching strategy, manager is essentially bibs balls and cones route, while at the same time smashing the DOF and CEO role into one and giving it to a kid who has never done either job in his life.
Dress it up how you like mate, it’s insane.
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So now it’s completely untenable and one of them has to go? What have you heard since you last said you didn’t think he’d be here. It’s a big shift. [Post edited 25 Apr 17:27]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:27 - Apr 25 with 1962 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:24 - Apr 25 by JamesB1979 |
So now it’s completely untenable and one of them has to go? What have you heard since you last said you didn’t think he’d be here. It’s a big shift. [Post edited 25 Apr 17:27]
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Well there's been a story published by a well connected local journalist saying the relationship has fallen apart to such an extent that the manager is considering resigning. That is a big shift. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:31 - Apr 25 with 1934 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:27 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Well there's been a story published by a well connected local journalist saying the relationship has fallen apart to such an extent that the manager is considering resigning. That is a big shift. |
I’ve re-read it quite a few times. I fully believe there is truth in it. I like Ian as a QPR journalist. But I certainly didn’t read it that things were too far gone. And it’s now 1 of them has to go. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:02 - Apr 25 with 1805 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:33 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Again I agree, it’s basically untenable if that story is accurate, one has to go and it’ll be the manager.
But i still cannot believe after 10 years the owners have finally decided to go down this overarching strategy, manager is essentially bibs balls and cones route, while at the same time smashing the DOF and CEO role into one and giving it to a kid who has never done either job in his life.
Dress it up how you like mate, it’s insane.
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"it’s basically untenable if that story is accurate, one has to go and it’ll be the manager."
I'm not sure it's that straightforward.
The big issue (as reported) is the Director of Performance living oversees and working part-time.
I think the club must realise that in the modern game they will struggle to replace Marti with a reputable manager who is willing to accept the DoP being p/t and oversees.
If the owners let Marti go and then make the DoP f/t and require him to be onsite part of the time then Marti's lawyers and the LMA will be all over it claiming that their client was wrongfully dismissed.
The owners might have snookered themselves. In which case they will be looking at Hoos and Nourry and demanding answers. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:13 - Apr 25 with 1720 views | Andybrat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:47 - Apr 25 by QPRSam |
Words from Marti:
"I know there’s been lots of speculation during the week but the reality is I’m the coach under contract, I’m building for the future of the club and my intention is to keep working for the club"
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Add that to Illias podcast and interview of Head of Methodology. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:15 - Apr 25 with 1708 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 16:42 - Apr 25 by KensalT |
"Sometimes it's just about sticking to your principals and being brave."
That seems like a fair point.
But what are the principles here?
The Sun story said Marti had two complaints:
1. He wasn't allowed to bring in a set-piece coach
2. He is unhappy that the Director of Performance is living overseas and working remotely and part-time.
I don't know why we don't have a set-piece coach, but many other clubs do. If it was just a matter of budget then I guess it's too bad and perhaps we can review it another time.
With regards to point 2 I personally think Marti has a good case. If I'm working with a group of professional athletes in any sport I think the guy responsible for ensuring they are healthy and fit enough to perform is a key member of the team and should be available full-time and on site.
If the club are willing to let Marti go for these reasons then they need to consider if any reputable potential replacement would accept the job without a set-piece coach and with the Director of Performance living on a different continent whilst simultaneously juggling several jobs around the globe.
I think you will struggle to sell the job to someone new if they have to work and be judged against that background.
And if you are forced to accept that the Director of Performance should be f/t and on site then you might as well stick with the manager you have already got, even if it means replacing the Director of Performance. |
The Sun article states:-
“QPR chiefs also vetoed a move from 27-year-old Nourry to appoint a set-piece coach earlier this season”
So that clearly states Nourry wanted this appointment and the bosses turned it down: doesn’t mention whether Cifuentes wanted a set piece coach or not.
If he did then Nourry was agreeing with him: if he didn’t then his issue is with the owners not Nourry. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:16 - Apr 25 with 1705 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:15 - Apr 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
The Sun article states:-
“QPR chiefs also vetoed a move from 27-year-old Nourry to appoint a set-piece coach earlier this season”
So that clearly states Nourry wanted this appointment and the bosses turned it down: doesn’t mention whether Cifuentes wanted a set piece coach or not.
If he did then Nourry was agreeing with him: if he didn’t then his issue is with the owners not Nourry. |
Good spot. I thought it was just badly written and meant that Nourry vetoed Marti’s choice. Otherwise it makes no sense as you say. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:26 - Apr 25 with 1645 views | dmm |
Marti's pre match interview posted above isn't the first time that he's said, in so many words, he's here next season. But this is incompatible with what Ian McCullough has put in print. So either Marti's departure is not settled and people are talking from different sides of an unresolved story, or a decision has been made one way or the other and someone is lying. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:17 - Apr 25 with 1497 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:26 - Apr 25 by dmm |
Marti's pre match interview posted above isn't the first time that he's said, in so many words, he's here next season. But this is incompatible with what Ian McCullough has put in print. So either Marti's departure is not settled and people are talking from different sides of an unresolved story, or a decision has been made one way or the other and someone is lying. |
‘I’ll be here next season’
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:37 - Apr 25 with 1422 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:02 - Apr 25 by KensalT |
"it’s basically untenable if that story is accurate, one has to go and it’ll be the manager."
I'm not sure it's that straightforward.
The big issue (as reported) is the Director of Performance living oversees and working part-time.
I think the club must realise that in the modern game they will struggle to replace Marti with a reputable manager who is willing to accept the DoP being p/t and oversees.
If the owners let Marti go and then make the DoP f/t and require him to be onsite part of the time then Marti's lawyers and the LMA will be all over it claiming that their client was wrongfully dismissed.
The owners might have snookered themselves. In which case they will be looking at Hoos and Nourry and demanding answers. |
is it the owners who have snookered them selves though ?
at best ruben is writing his monthly cheque to keep the doors open leaving the running of the club to hoos and the wonderboy , they will talk on a regualr basis but maybe ruben has seen through some of the bull sh!t coming from the board and has its been rumoured before stood in and said NO he stays .
its now put presure firmly on the board to sack him.
highly unlikely maybe nourry will be shifted sideways
stayed tuned for another episode of how not to run a football club [Post edited 25 Apr 19:47]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:09 - Apr 25 with 1212 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:37 - Apr 25 by wombat |
is it the owners who have snookered them selves though ?
at best ruben is writing his monthly cheque to keep the doors open leaving the running of the club to hoos and the wonderboy , they will talk on a regualr basis but maybe ruben has seen through some of the bull sh!t coming from the board and has its been rumoured before stood in and said NO he stays .
its now put presure firmly on the board to sack him.
highly unlikely maybe nourry will be shifted sideways
stayed tuned for another episode of how not to run a football club [Post edited 25 Apr 19:47]
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I think you could make a case that the club hasn't adequately supported Marti to do his job and is arguably in breach of contract.
If your job requires you to work with professional athletes and those athletes have to be at peak health and fitness to do their job, then your Director of Performance is crucial to your overall results and effectiveness.
Throw in the DoP's unusual working arrangements, that the injuries have been piling up this season, and that we didn't have these problems last season and the argument that Marti hasn't been adequately supported starts to look convincing.
I am sure the club would argue that they took steps to mitigate against that. But the volume of injuries speaks for itself. Even more so if you factor in Brooklyn Nets seemingly having similar injury problems under Williams.
It would be a very ballsy move for Marti to follow through on that and quit claiming breach of contract. It would definitely sour his legacy here, especially if he rocked up at a rival Championship club next season. But in the meantime it would certainly turn up the pressure on the board and Nourry. And if he gets what he wants then he has a very public victory. [Post edited 25 Apr 21:21]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:16 - Apr 25 with 1156 views | Rsole |
One of the most pre-prepared and telling of comments made in recent times….
"I know there’s been lots of speculation during the week but the reality is I’m the coach under contract, I’m building for the future of the club and my intention is to keep working for the club"
(Until someone buys me out or they sack me because I’m not resigning anytime soon)
In other words, I know there are much better jobs out there but I’ll play along with what Christian wants for a few more days until something breaks and I’m free of any legal shit and financial penalties - just in case. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:23 - Apr 25 with 1092 views | sparkey |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:16 - Apr 25 by Rsole |
One of the most pre-prepared and telling of comments made in recent times….
"I know there’s been lots of speculation during the week but the reality is I’m the coach under contract, I’m building for the future of the club and my intention is to keep working for the club"
(Until someone buys me out or they sack me because I’m not resigning anytime soon)
In other words, I know there are much better jobs out there but I’ll play along with what Christian wants for a few more days until something breaks and I’m free of any legal shit and financial penalties - just in case. |
Or he's saying a fact. And that fact is he is a coach under contract and is clearly working his hardest for this club. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:28 - Apr 25 with 1040 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Weren't we told that Ben 'Moonlighting' Williams is the best there is? Really doesn't say much for the others - perhaps Jake Humphrey could investigate. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:31 - Apr 25 with 1018 views | Rsole |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:23 - Apr 25 by sparkey |
Or he's saying a fact. And that fact is he is a coach under contract and is clearly working his hardest for this club. |
Could be but his agent(s) effectively just put a ‘Come and get me,’ double page spread (bleeding into the gutter) out in the national press :-) | |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:32 - Apr 25 with 999 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:28 - Apr 25 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Weren't we told that Ben 'Moonlighting' Williams is the best there is? Really doesn't say much for the others - perhaps Jake Humphrey could investigate. |
He's currently simultaneously working across several continents and time zones.
I don't think anyone can be 100% effective in those circumstances. | | | |
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