| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 75208 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:50 - Apr 25 with 1883 views | Blue_Castello |
Were about to hit 20 pages on a topic where the initial post was presumably to find out how people felt about Marti as a Manager, well I think the results are in and virtually everybody wants him to stay.
Then we had Ian Mculloughs article in the Sun which prompted everybody to think there's substance to the fact Marti is unhappy, well that was no surprise after listening to his responses in the press conference. The article which presumably you receive remuneration for was always going to be punchy otherwise what's the point of publishing in a National newspaper. Does Ian have any genuine insight other than what was said in the press conference or is he just reporting the details verbatim.
The club is not going to sack Marti because it costs money and Nourry would need the owners approval, will Marti walk away without another job highly unlikely. So it's all about another club coming in for him and paying the compensation in his contract, this could run for a few weeks until a decent offer is on the table.
The one thing that may stop this happening is if Amit and Ruben get Marti and Nourry in a room together and see if they can sort out the differences, I'm hoping and praying that is a possibility, I get the argument Marti never stays anywhere for very long but that cycle can be broken. [Post edited 25 Apr 11:53]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:54 - Apr 25 with 1842 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:50 - Apr 25 by Blue_Castello |
Were about to hit 20 pages on a topic where the initial post was presumably to find out how people felt about Marti as a Manager, well I think the results are in and virtually everybody wants him to stay.
Then we had Ian Mculloughs article in the Sun which prompted everybody to think there's substance to the fact Marti is unhappy, well that was no surprise after listening to his responses in the press conference. The article which presumably you receive remuneration for was always going to be punchy otherwise what's the point of publishing in a National newspaper. Does Ian have any genuine insight other than what was said in the press conference or is he just reporting the details verbatim.
The club is not going to sack Marti because it costs money and Nourry would need the owners approval, will Marti walk away without another job highly unlikely. So it's all about another club coming in for him and paying the compensation in his contract, this could run for a few weeks until a decent offer is on the table.
The one thing that may stop this happening is if Amit and Ruben get Marti and Nourry in a room together and see if they can sort out the differences, I'm hoping and praying that is a possibility, I get the argument Marti never stays anywhere for very long but that cycle can be broken. [Post edited 25 Apr 11:53]
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nothing from the club to say this is bollox either , the marti press conference today might be interesting , thats if he actually does one ? |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:59 - Apr 25 with 1801 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:15 - Apr 25 by lassel |
I mean if you want to depress yourself, Paris Hilton is 45 now…I still wouldn’t consider her anything other than a rich kid still though. |
Ruben has inherited his wealth but he is now head of the family business.
So I'm going to stand my ground and say he has outgrown the rich kid label.
Can't see Paris Hilton ever taking over the shop! | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:01 - Apr 25 with 1775 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:47 - Apr 25 by JamesB1979 |
Fair enough. I was just responding to “nothing has changed” point. We can only really judge when a manager leaves or see where we are in 2-3 years. |
I kind of meant that nothing has changed in terms of the plan and how we try to achieve it
I don't see us doing things any differently really, you can say the squad is better now than 2 years ago and I'd agree but we keep doing this we get a half decent squad, don't know how to push that on, everything blows up and we start again. It happened under Holloway, Warbs and now under Marti. Each time the manager goes and it quickly falls apart. We can't seem to get past the having a good squad on paper stage to having a good team than can challenge in the top half and that should be achievable when you look at likes of Bristol City, Millwall, Coventry, Sunderland etc who are doing better than us |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:05 - Apr 25 with 1739 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:01 - Apr 25 by daveB |
I kind of meant that nothing has changed in terms of the plan and how we try to achieve it
I don't see us doing things any differently really, you can say the squad is better now than 2 years ago and I'd agree but we keep doing this we get a half decent squad, don't know how to push that on, everything blows up and we start again. It happened under Holloway, Warbs and now under Marti. Each time the manager goes and it quickly falls apart. We can't seem to get past the having a good squad on paper stage to having a good team than can challenge in the top half and that should be achievable when you look at likes of Bristol City, Millwall, Coventry, Sunderland etc who are doing better than us |
wonder who much this will affect the season ticket renawals in the coming weeks ?
first time in years ive not renewed as soon as they become aval , feeling rather phahhh on the whole club right now | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:09 - Apr 25 with 1705 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:01 - Apr 25 by daveB |
I kind of meant that nothing has changed in terms of the plan and how we try to achieve it
I don't see us doing things any differently really, you can say the squad is better now than 2 years ago and I'd agree but we keep doing this we get a half decent squad, don't know how to push that on, everything blows up and we start again. It happened under Holloway, Warbs and now under Marti. Each time the manager goes and it quickly falls apart. We can't seem to get past the having a good squad on paper stage to having a good team than can challenge in the top half and that should be achievable when you look at likes of Bristol City, Millwall, Coventry, Sunderland etc who are doing better than us |
Well we’re told on the WLS podcast that it’s about continuity now. So, if/when manager leaves there isn’t a complete change of style and personnel. We won’t know whether that’s the case until a manager leaves. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:18 - Apr 25 with 1650 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:09 - Apr 25 by JamesB1979 |
Well we’re told on the WLS podcast that it’s about continuity now. So, if/when manager leaves there isn’t a complete change of style and personnel. We won’t know whether that’s the case until a manager leaves. |
Very true. We won't know.
What if one of our board get an "itch" again, and we appoint a totally different type of manager, who'll need totally different players?
What if they decide that Nourry has to go, and we have to look for a new DoF and a new CEO?
After all their years at the club we have absolutely no way of knowing what their chosen philosophy would be in any given situation. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:19 - Apr 25 with 1635 views | TK1 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:18 - Apr 25 by JamesB1979 |
He was here for 9 years! How can he have nothing to do with that squad. Dickie and Dieng both sold for peanuts. Willock not sold and allowed to run contract down. No new contracts for Field and Chair.
We also had numerous players in youth / first team set up that were blatantly not good enough and just allowed to stay here.
I’m not saying Les didn’t do some good stuff. Of course he did. But we are definitely in a better squad position than when he left.
Let’s not forget that he and Warbs fell out over youth players. Who ended up being right there? |
His last squad was top of the division in October.
Look, nine was years was long enough, it was time. But that's not what you or Dave are saying. Dave is saying it's not materially any better at QPR now than under LF, you say it is. I agree with Dave.
How can you say the squad now is significantly stronger? Or that contracts are better managed? You write "Dickie and Dieng both sold for peanuts, Willock allowed to run his contract down..." I mean, peanuts (amounting to millions) are more useful than allowing two of our most reliable Championship first teamers in Dunne and Paal leave for free. Willock's subsequent career suggests the contract he turned down was probably appropriate. That's football.
Let's see what the squad is like in August before noshing off Nourry. At the moment they have about seven contracts to negotiate and at least half dozen other players to sign...never mind the manager. Too soon to say it's improved.
As for youth, Kolli, Lloyd and Sutton are players developed under the LF/CR guidance. Who knows what might have happened if earlier generations had trained with the first team under Warburton too. | | | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:21 - Apr 25 with 1605 views | QPRJill |
Stick with Marti. I really hope Lee Hoos will try everything he can to sort this situation out if the article in The Sun is reliable. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:29 - Apr 25 with 1534 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:09 - Apr 25 by JamesB1979 |
Well we’re told on the WLS podcast that it’s about continuity now. So, if/when manager leaves there isn’t a complete change of style and personnel. We won’t know whether that’s the case until a manager leaves. |
Les used to say that a lot then do the opposite so I guess we'll see | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:31 - Apr 25 with 1521 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:05 - Apr 25 by wombat |
wonder who much this will affect the season ticket renawals in the coming weeks ?
first time in years ive not renewed as soon as they become aval , feeling rather phahhh on the whole club right now |
I'll still renew becasue I'm an addict to this football club but I'll grumble about it a lot | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:38 - Apr 25 with 1472 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:16 - Apr 25 by daveB |
haven't we always done that with kids on loan and younger kids in the under 18's team, thats part of why the under 18's results are always so crap
We seemed to have 8/10 players out on loan every year when Ferdinand was running the place, it's no different now
It drives me a bit mad that we're doing exactly the same as we did under les but with different job titles and finishing in exactly the same place in the league, nothing at all has changed. It wasn't working under les and it's not now
I share Marti's frustrations with it all |
I think there is a huge difference between what is happening now, and say 4/5 years ago when Warburton was at the club.
Warburton was having DS players forced on him by Ramsey etc, Warburton refused. Those DS players are L2 maximum now, so Warburton was right.
Now there is a very clear path and Nourry has stated if you're not around the 1st team by 18/19yo, either training or playing then you're gone.
That is a massive difference and change of culture within the club. Its a huge positive. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:42 - Apr 25 with 1449 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:58 - Apr 25 by KensalT |
"I don't trust Nourry, but nor do I trust a manager that walks out after 18 months at every job."
You make it sound like Cifuentes has a sulk and strops off every 18 months.
He hasn't walked and he hasn't been sacked with loads of compo (Mourinho stylee).
He has traded up every time and his club has received compensation.
We had to pay Hammarby compensation to get him here. At the very least we should be backing him to the extent that we can recover that initial investment.
And he's currently the fifth longest serving manager in the Championship:
https://footballrates.com/longeststaymanagers/championship
Managers at this level typically survive about as long as public schoolboy captains in the Somme trenches. |
He has walked every 18 months. Yes, maybe to get another job, but he has walked. He choses not to stay. That's a fact.
You can't build long term if a manager does that.
I'm pretty comfortable with MC going. We move on, hopefully with some fat compensation and find someone who does want to be here. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:03 - Apr 25 with 1321 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:15 - Apr 25 by TheChef |
Yep.
And the bottom line is, Marti was not Nourry's choice. He's at the point where he'll want his own man (or woman!). |
This is up for debate as Nourry has been quoted as saying he was part of the team that identified Marti.
He was happy to tell myself, Clive and others that in January. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:04 - Apr 25 with 1308 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:50 - Apr 25 by Blue_Castello |
Were about to hit 20 pages on a topic where the initial post was presumably to find out how people felt about Marti as a Manager, well I think the results are in and virtually everybody wants him to stay.
Then we had Ian Mculloughs article in the Sun which prompted everybody to think there's substance to the fact Marti is unhappy, well that was no surprise after listening to his responses in the press conference. The article which presumably you receive remuneration for was always going to be punchy otherwise what's the point of publishing in a National newspaper. Does Ian have any genuine insight other than what was said in the press conference or is he just reporting the details verbatim.
The club is not going to sack Marti because it costs money and Nourry would need the owners approval, will Marti walk away without another job highly unlikely. So it's all about another club coming in for him and paying the compensation in his contract, this could run for a few weeks until a decent offer is on the table.
The one thing that may stop this happening is if Amit and Ruben get Marti and Nourry in a room together and see if they can sort out the differences, I'm hoping and praying that is a possibility, I get the argument Marti never stays anywhere for very long but that cycle can be broken. [Post edited 25 Apr 11:53]
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That would require ownership of the situation from Amit and Reuben. Not something they seem to have been good at recently. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:08 - Apr 25 with 1269 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:21 - Apr 25 by QPRJill |
Stick with Marti. I really hope Lee Hoos will try everything he can to sort this situation out if the article in The Sun is reliable. |
Dont expect that. Lee Hoos has hitched his Waggon to Nourry and has been heard in the W12 bad mouthing Marti. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:16 - Apr 25 with 1223 views | BklynRanger |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:08 - Apr 25 by Markofthegrove |
Dont expect that. Lee Hoos has hitched his Waggon to Nourry and has been heard in the W12 bad mouthing Marti. |
It can't be any surprise to hear Hoos sticking up for the guy that he hand picked - but I agree it's a factor in terms of any potential power struggle. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:24 - Apr 25 with 1173 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:08 - Apr 25 by Markofthegrove |
Dont expect that. Lee Hoos has hitched his Waggon to Nourry and has been heard in the W12 bad mouthing Marti. |
Seriously? The Chairman of the football club is in the pub bad mouthing the club manager?
You couldn't make it up, I thought Hoos had a bit more about him than that. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:25 - Apr 25 with 1166 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:42 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
He has walked every 18 months. Yes, maybe to get another job, but he has walked. He choses not to stay. That's a fact.
You can't build long term if a manager does that.
I'm pretty comfortable with MC going. We move on, hopefully with some fat compensation and find someone who does want to be here. |
He has walked as you say or to put it another way moved on to a better oppertunity for himself and to further his career.
I get the feeling all roads for Marti lead to England or Spain and now that he has got a foothold in England he might stick it out at QPR until he gets an offer from the PL.
He never ends any interview without mentioning the fans (I understand he is prompted) but that is fairly unique in most interviews I see so the connection runs deep here IMO.
This is a massive month now for us ,finish strong ,announce Marti is already working on his team for next season and have the injury fiasco addressed and sorted out then we can enjoy the summer |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:25 - Apr 25 with 1167 views | TheChef |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:03 - Apr 25 by Markofthegrove |
This is up for debate as Nourry has been quoted as saying he was part of the team that identified Marti.
He was happy to tell myself, Clive and others that in January. |
Ah well to be fair I suppose he was in his external consultancy role at that point, so could be. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:27 - Apr 25 with 1145 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:16 - Apr 25 by BklynRanger |
It can't be any surprise to hear Hoos sticking up for the guy that he hand picked - but I agree it's a factor in terms of any potential power struggle. |
Nourry and Hoos will make their decision based on how unpopular it will make them with the fan base rather than taking football in to consideration. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:28 - Apr 25 with 1132 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:08 - Apr 25 by Markofthegrove |
Dont expect that. Lee Hoos has hitched his Waggon to Nourry and has been heard in the W12 bad mouthing Marti. |
Yeah of course he has 🤔 |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:29 - Apr 25 with 1112 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:01 - Apr 25 by daveB |
I kind of meant that nothing has changed in terms of the plan and how we try to achieve it
I don't see us doing things any differently really, you can say the squad is better now than 2 years ago and I'd agree but we keep doing this we get a half decent squad, don't know how to push that on, everything blows up and we start again. It happened under Holloway, Warbs and now under Marti. Each time the manager goes and it quickly falls apart. We can't seem to get past the having a good squad on paper stage to having a good team than can challenge in the top half and that should be achievable when you look at likes of Bristol City, Millwall, Coventry, Sunderland etc who are doing better than us |
And this is the thing...we'll never achieve anything under the current disinterested owners. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:36 - Apr 25 with 1060 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:24 - Apr 25 by rbee |
Seriously? The Chairman of the football club is in the pub bad mouthing the club manager?
You couldn't make it up, I thought Hoos had a bit more about him than that. |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:42 - Apr 25 with 1020 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:42 - Apr 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
He has walked every 18 months. Yes, maybe to get another job, but he has walked. He choses not to stay. That's a fact.
You can't build long term if a manager does that.
I'm pretty comfortable with MC going. We move on, hopefully with some fat compensation and find someone who does want to be here. |
I know it's splitting hairs but he was headhunted, which isn't the same as walking in my book.
As for building long term. I think I'm right in saying Marti is close to overtaking Don Howe as our tenth longest serving manager since Alec Stock left in 1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Queens_Park_Rangers_F.C._managers
If we're going to demand loyalty and commitment we should probably practice it as well. | | | |
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