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Marti, stick or twist? on 12:41 - Apr 24 by JamesB1979
Hang on a sec there fella. I don’t think anyone has said anything positive about Nourry. And is anyone saying Marti isn’t good enough for us? I just want stability and would love Marti and Nourry to sort it out. Rather we could all discuss the squad rather than this nonsense. Let’s see what happens. I think he will stay personally.
Didn’t specifically mean you . Just a wider point that some choose to ignore what in front of them and there are a few . Wasn’t aimed at you per se
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Marti, stick or twist? on 12:53 - Apr 24 with 2228 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 11:26 - Apr 24 by Ned_Kennedys
Yeah aren’t the vast majority of the club’s fans (the ones that go to games) stupid? Have a word with yourself: as if a few people who have descended on this thread with their ‘knowledge’(hello again Markofthegrove) speak for all of us.
Eh? Sorry, I wasn't saying that at all. What I meant was that it is easy to think every fan is as informed (by Clive and the viable journos, not those "ITK") and making their own minds up as to what is going on and passionate about their view....whereas when you go to HQ it is apparent that quite a lot couldn't really give a rat's arse about it. Which is absolutely fine.
I distinctly remember the Fulham Park Rangers protest getting booed from SA Road, so always been the case.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:02 - Apr 24 with 2121 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 12:22 - Apr 24 by KensalT
No disrespect but you were referring to Brooklyn Nets injuries, not ours!
Anyway, I did a bit more digging on basketball injuries and it seems hamstring problems are quite common. However this study found 210 hamstring injuries over a five year period:
"Results. 210 hamstring injuries occurred in the NBA from 2016-2021. The most common injuries were strained left hamstrings (45/210, 21.4%) and right hamstrings (45/210, 21.4%). The mean age at the time of injury was 28.0 ± 4.1 years old. Subsequent injuries occurred in 171 players in the same and/or following season (171/210, 81.4%)"
210 hamstring injuries in five years spread across 30 teams gives an average of seven per team. (1.4 per team per season)
But Brooklyn Nets have reported seven players with hamstring injuries just this season. That's five times the average found in the study.
There might be reasons for that such as age of the players or previous history of hamstring injuries. But from where I'm sitting seven in one season does seem a lot.
No offence taken. The Nets also have a player called Ben Simmons on their roster who is a famous sicknote.
Great work though. I did message Jack Supple as to where I could get these kind of stats for the champonship and QPR.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:06 - Apr 24 with 2068 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 12:29 - Apr 24 by mart_Goblin
Well that’s the crux. Some fans just don’t want to hear it and that’s understandable. But some things are in such plain sight , some prefer to see around them ….the point made that perhaps MC is a liar yet no mention of the nonsense CN served up on his opening club statement.
Some great posts on this thread . Some obviously in positions of knowledge . I’ll just leave it at that. .
But, as put plainly by someone else , imagine being so arrogant that you’d suggest MC isn’t good enough for US right now ?!?!?
I hope we get fully behind MC Saturday as done previously .
You probably mean me suggesting MC is a liar. This is based on ITK comments that MC has already decided to leave. If this is true, perhaps he feels he can't do anything other than lie in order to keep morale up among players and fans, and I guess that's understandable.
For the record, I am no fan of CN and wish he'd never come to the club. Most fans dislike him and should MC leave because of him, that dislike will only intensify. An unhappy club is never a successful club.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:16 - Apr 24 with 2003 views
You probably mean me suggesting MC is a liar. This is based on ITK comments that MC has already decided to leave. If this is true, perhaps he feels he can't do anything other than lie in order to keep morale up among players and fans, and I guess that's understandable.
For the record, I am no fan of CN and wish he'd never come to the club. Most fans dislike him and should MC leave because of him, that dislike will only intensify. An unhappy club is never a successful club.
It’s a long and busy thread so not sure who it was .
In fairness I should retract it a little as of course , everybody is entitled to form their own view and opinion , so maybe my irritation of the club and its never ending carnival of shyte, was aimed in the wrong direction at some fans . That’s not fair on my part .
I just get so frustrated at this endless circus where we continuously shoot ourselves in the foot …whilst pretending we haven’t or that’s what we meant to do. Another episode is just round the corner it appears . And i’m Sick of it . Like many are
Imagine if Les Ferdinand had let Chris Ramsey work part time from Dubai whilst also working for other clubs on a part time basis, people would have quite rightly gone mental, this has all really gone under the radar
I think this post exemplifies how silly this thread is getting.
Ben Williams obviously isn’t sitting on a zoom call with Chair going, “rub your knee and tell me how it feels”.
What seems more likely is he is essentially monitoring a big spreadsheet. All the miles the players run in training and in a game, at what intensity will all be tracked.
So essentially Williams will be focused on the quantitative data’ and the qualitive side, the interpretation based side will be left to the extensive medical team that is based here in London.
Long time lurker on this board but it seems to me the fashionable opinion at the moment is to be anit-Nourry. My pop psychology assessment on why that is, is that Nourry’s biggest mistake as I see it since he’s been here is how he has treated the main independent journalists. As these have an outsized influence in shaping certainly the online mood music around the club. With Nourry restricting their access to the club and in WLS case losing their monopoly on early transfer news. WLS were also sore about Steve Gallen not getting the job.
So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist. Its also understandable why so many fans seem to be willing to see it through only one side. Looking for more balance I would think its healthy to be sceptical about Marti as well here.
Marti has left every club within two years. Seen it suggested that if he quits now, so within the current season. If he signs a contract then as a Free Agent 1st July then we get no payout. So if his agent has got Norwich or West Brom lined up but their budget post parachute payments being tight means they would happily take him if he created this charade now, quits and then is a free agent in July for them?
Marti signed a contract in September and all the Ben Williams stuff was known then so I don’t buy that as a reason for him quitting. Would see it as a snake move from Marti to tee up his next job.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:26 - Apr 24 with 1905 views
I realise emotions (ands no doubt emoticons) are running high round Marti, Nourry et al, but I cannot let pass your derogation of the communication skills of the bat community, fruity or otherwise. See the above study as an initial corrective.
Thanks S_E - I did wonder if fruit bats were being unfairly targeted with that comment.
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:16 - Apr 24 by mart_Goblin
It’s a long and busy thread so not sure who it was .
In fairness I should retract it a little as of course , everybody is entitled to form their own view and opinion , so maybe my irritation of the club and its never ending carnival of shyte, was aimed in the wrong direction at some fans . That’s not fair on my part .
I just get so frustrated at this endless circus where we continuously shoot ourselves in the foot …whilst pretending we haven’t or that’s what we meant to do. Another episode is just round the corner it appears . And i’m Sick of it . Like many are
So apologies .
No need to apologise. I totally get where you're coming from. I feel more than a little pissed off about our club at the moment, so I'm sorry if I've been tetchy old git!
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:39 - Apr 24 with 1757 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:23 - Apr 24 by Lasagna
I think this post exemplifies how silly this thread is getting.
Ben Williams obviously isn’t sitting on a zoom call with Chair going, “rub your knee and tell me how it feels”.
What seems more likely is he is essentially monitoring a big spreadsheet. All the miles the players run in training and in a game, at what intensity will all be tracked.
So essentially Williams will be focused on the quantitative data’ and the qualitive side, the interpretation based side will be left to the extensive medical team that is based here in London.
Long time lurker on this board but it seems to me the fashionable opinion at the moment is to be anit-Nourry. My pop psychology assessment on why that is, is that Nourry’s biggest mistake as I see it since he’s been here is how he has treated the main independent journalists. As these have an outsized influence in shaping certainly the online mood music around the club. With Nourry restricting their access to the club and in WLS case losing their monopoly on early transfer news. WLS were also sore about Steve Gallen not getting the job.
So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist. Its also understandable why so many fans seem to be willing to see it through only one side. Looking for more balance I would think its healthy to be sceptical about Marti as well here.
Marti has left every club within two years. Seen it suggested that if he quits now, so within the current season. If he signs a contract then as a Free Agent 1st July then we get no payout. So if his agent has got Norwich or West Brom lined up but their budget post parachute payments being tight means they would happily take him if he created this charade now, quits and then is a free agent in July for them?
Marti signed a contract in September and all the Ben Williams stuff was known then so I don’t buy that as a reason for him quitting. Would see it as a snake move from Marti to tee up his next job.
"So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist."
The journalist doesn't work for WLS and hasn't since August 2024.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:41 - Apr 24 with 1734 views
What's that 'Stop Brexit!!' guy up to these days? He could put in a shift for us...
He's just been found not guilty of a public order offence of playing loud music in Westminster Sq. I thought the Muppets tune was absolutely spot on.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one's lifetime." (Mark Twain)
Find me on twitter @derbyhoop and now on Bluesky
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:42 - Apr 24 with 1729 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:23 - Apr 24 by Lasagna
I think this post exemplifies how silly this thread is getting.
Ben Williams obviously isn’t sitting on a zoom call with Chair going, “rub your knee and tell me how it feels”.
What seems more likely is he is essentially monitoring a big spreadsheet. All the miles the players run in training and in a game, at what intensity will all be tracked.
So essentially Williams will be focused on the quantitative data’ and the qualitive side, the interpretation based side will be left to the extensive medical team that is based here in London.
Long time lurker on this board but it seems to me the fashionable opinion at the moment is to be anit-Nourry. My pop psychology assessment on why that is, is that Nourry’s biggest mistake as I see it since he’s been here is how he has treated the main independent journalists. As these have an outsized influence in shaping certainly the online mood music around the club. With Nourry restricting their access to the club and in WLS case losing their monopoly on early transfer news. WLS were also sore about Steve Gallen not getting the job.
So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist. Its also understandable why so many fans seem to be willing to see it through only one side. Looking for more balance I would think its healthy to be sceptical about Marti as well here.
Marti has left every club within two years. Seen it suggested that if he quits now, so within the current season. If he signs a contract then as a Free Agent 1st July then we get no payout. So if his agent has got Norwich or West Brom lined up but their budget post parachute payments being tight means they would happily take him if he created this charade now, quits and then is a free agent in July for them?
Marti signed a contract in September and all the Ben Williams stuff was known then so I don’t buy that as a reason for him quitting. Would see it as a snake move from Marti to tee up his next job.
...Christian Noury has entered the chat...
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:44 - Apr 24 with 1712 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:23 - Apr 24 by Lasagna
I think this post exemplifies how silly this thread is getting.
Ben Williams obviously isn’t sitting on a zoom call with Chair going, “rub your knee and tell me how it feels”.
What seems more likely is he is essentially monitoring a big spreadsheet. All the miles the players run in training and in a game, at what intensity will all be tracked.
So essentially Williams will be focused on the quantitative data’ and the qualitive side, the interpretation based side will be left to the extensive medical team that is based here in London.
Long time lurker on this board but it seems to me the fashionable opinion at the moment is to be anit-Nourry. My pop psychology assessment on why that is, is that Nourry’s biggest mistake as I see it since he’s been here is how he has treated the main independent journalists. As these have an outsized influence in shaping certainly the online mood music around the club. With Nourry restricting their access to the club and in WLS case losing their monopoly on early transfer news. WLS were also sore about Steve Gallen not getting the job.
So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist. Its also understandable why so many fans seem to be willing to see it through only one side. Looking for more balance I would think its healthy to be sceptical about Marti as well here.
Marti has left every club within two years. Seen it suggested that if he quits now, so within the current season. If he signs a contract then as a Free Agent 1st July then we get no payout. So if his agent has got Norwich or West Brom lined up but their budget post parachute payments being tight means they would happily take him if he created this charade now, quits and then is a free agent in July for them?
Marti signed a contract in September and all the Ben Williams stuff was known then so I don’t buy that as a reason for him quitting. Would see it as a snake move from Marti to tee up his next job.
Quite a first post.
IP registered in Dubai, Clive?
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:46 - Apr 24 with 1658 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:23 - Apr 24 by Lasagna
I think this post exemplifies how silly this thread is getting.
Ben Williams obviously isn’t sitting on a zoom call with Chair going, “rub your knee and tell me how it feels”.
What seems more likely is he is essentially monitoring a big spreadsheet. All the miles the players run in training and in a game, at what intensity will all be tracked.
So essentially Williams will be focused on the quantitative data’ and the qualitive side, the interpretation based side will be left to the extensive medical team that is based here in London.
Long time lurker on this board but it seems to me the fashionable opinion at the moment is to be anit-Nourry. My pop psychology assessment on why that is, is that Nourry’s biggest mistake as I see it since he’s been here is how he has treated the main independent journalists. As these have an outsized influence in shaping certainly the online mood music around the club. With Nourry restricting their access to the club and in WLS case losing their monopoly on early transfer news. WLS were also sore about Steve Gallen not getting the job.
So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist. Its also understandable why so many fans seem to be willing to see it through only one side. Looking for more balance I would think its healthy to be sceptical about Marti as well here.
Marti has left every club within two years. Seen it suggested that if he quits now, so within the current season. If he signs a contract then as a Free Agent 1st July then we get no payout. So if his agent has got Norwich or West Brom lined up but their budget post parachute payments being tight means they would happily take him if he created this charade now, quits and then is a free agent in July for them?
Marti signed a contract in September and all the Ben Williams stuff was known then so I don’t buy that as a reason for him quitting. Would see it as a snake move from Marti to tee up his next job.
Was going to post that you need to be prepared to be accused of being Nourry/his Mum/Hoos etc for going against Group Speak but I can see it’s already started.
So predictable on here sometimes.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:55 - Apr 24 with 1569 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:46 - Apr 24 by Ned_Kennedys
Was going to post that you need to be prepared to be accused of being Nourry/his Mum/Hoos etc for going against Group Speak but I can see it’s already started.
So predictable on here sometimes.
Oh come on mate.
There are loads of different opinions on this thread, hardly Group Speak.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:57 - Apr 24 with 1538 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:23 - Apr 24 by Lasagna
I think this post exemplifies how silly this thread is getting.
Ben Williams obviously isn’t sitting on a zoom call with Chair going, “rub your knee and tell me how it feels”.
What seems more likely is he is essentially monitoring a big spreadsheet. All the miles the players run in training and in a game, at what intensity will all be tracked.
So essentially Williams will be focused on the quantitative data’ and the qualitive side, the interpretation based side will be left to the extensive medical team that is based here in London.
Long time lurker on this board but it seems to me the fashionable opinion at the moment is to be anit-Nourry. My pop psychology assessment on why that is, is that Nourry’s biggest mistake as I see it since he’s been here is how he has treated the main independent journalists. As these have an outsized influence in shaping certainly the online mood music around the club. With Nourry restricting their access to the club and in WLS case losing their monopoly on early transfer news. WLS were also sore about Steve Gallen not getting the job.
So its not a surprise to me that the source of this was a WLS journalist. Its also understandable why so many fans seem to be willing to see it through only one side. Looking for more balance I would think its healthy to be sceptical about Marti as well here.
Marti has left every club within two years. Seen it suggested that if he quits now, so within the current season. If he signs a contract then as a Free Agent 1st July then we get no payout. So if his agent has got Norwich or West Brom lined up but their budget post parachute payments being tight means they would happily take him if he created this charade now, quits and then is a free agent in July for them?
Marti signed a contract in September and all the Ben Williams stuff was known then so I don’t buy that as a reason for him quitting. Would see it as a snake move from Marti to tee up his next job.
Your assumptions about how Ben Williams works are probably correct. He probably is mostly analysing data rather than needing to be hands on with the players.
And to be honest that's how I assumed he was working.
But that doesn't mean it's how he should be working.
Markofthegrove has pointed out on this thread that both us and Brooklyn Nets have experienced a lot of injuries under Williams and that a lot of those are the supposedly preventable soft tissue injuries.
Maybe his minions aren't properly interpreting his instructions. Maybe problems aren't being spotted soon enough or interventions not happening soon enough. Maybe his staff don't have the authority to do anything without him signing off on it first. Maybe a man with so many other commitments is impossible to get hold of when you need him.
Ultimately Williams is simultaneously working across several different countries and several different time zones.
How does he manage his time effectively and where do we sit in his overall priorities?
I think Marti is well within his rights to insist that such an important role be full-time and at the very least on site on a regular basis.
What's the point of investing in a state of the art training centre if your Director of Performance is phoning it in and rarely sets foot in the building!?
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:58 - Apr 24 with 1514 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:46 - Apr 24 by Ned_Kennedys
Was going to post that you need to be prepared to be accused of being Nourry/his Mum/Hoos etc for going against Group Speak but I can see it’s already started.
So predictable on here sometimes.
Why do you come here so often when you clearly hold disdain with it? Do you want guitar lessons?
Also... It is possible for a group of people (many that don't know each other in any way) can come to the same or similar opinion based on a string of events.
Statistically, who are more likely to be wrong? The many or the few?
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Marti, stick or twist? on 13:59 - Apr 24 with 1504 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:46 - Apr 24 by Ned_Kennedys
Was going to post that you need to be prepared to be accused of being Nourry/his Mum/Hoos etc for going against Group Speak but I can see it’s already started.
So predictable on here sometimes.
Maybe, but sometimes the majority opinion....is just the majority opinion? And that is OK, isn't it?
I have no idea if Lasagna is a club employee, but I am still prepared to read what he / she says. I actually agree about WLS having a bias or agenda a little more than they should sometimes - and I do agree that this can purely be down to how good access they get. In the long-distant past I have taken Dave Mc to task for anti-Gerry stuff which I personally thought was down more to their own relationship than independent assessment of his performance at QPR. I also don't agree with incessant fawning over the Gallens or Holloway, but on the flip side I think Dave Mc is brilliant, by far the most in the know journo about QPR and not everything he / they say has to be agreed?
However, I and many others on here surely, are able to make their own minds up without being simply influenced by Clive or WLS or ITK posts. I respect lots of views, but I will still come up with my own?
Group Speak is unfair, in my opinion.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 14:01 - Apr 24 with 1471 views
Maybe, but sometimes the majority opinion....is just the majority opinion? And that is OK, isn't it?
I have no idea if Lasagna is a club employee, but I am still prepared to read what he / she says. I actually agree about WLS having a bias or agenda a little more than they should sometimes - and I do agree that this can purely be down to how good access they get. In the long-distant past I have taken Dave Mc to task for anti-Gerry stuff which I personally thought was down more to their own relationship than independent assessment of his performance at QPR. I also don't agree with incessant fawning over the Gallens or Holloway, but on the flip side I think Dave Mc is brilliant, by far the most in the know journo about QPR and not everything he / they say has to be agreed?
However, I and many others on here surely, are able to make their own minds up without being simply influenced by Clive or WLS or ITK posts. I respect lots of views, but I will still come up with my own?
Group Speak is unfair, in my opinion.
It's not unfair, it's complete and utter bollocks.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 14:15 - Apr 24 with 1354 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:57 - Apr 24 by KensalT
Your assumptions about how Ben Williams works are probably correct. He probably is mostly analysing data rather than needing to be hands on with the players.
And to be honest that's how I assumed he was working.
But that doesn't mean it's how he should be working.
Markofthegrove has pointed out on this thread that both us and Brooklyn Nets have experienced a lot of injuries under Williams and that a lot of those are the supposedly preventable soft tissue injuries.
Maybe his minions aren't properly interpreting his instructions. Maybe problems aren't being spotted soon enough or interventions not happening soon enough. Maybe his staff don't have the authority to do anything without him signing off on it first. Maybe a man with so many other commitments is impossible to get hold of when you need him.
Ultimately Williams is simultaneously working across several different countries and several different time zones.
How does he manage his time effectively and where do we sit in his overall priorities?
I think Marti is well within his rights to insist that such an important role be full-time and at the very least on site on a regular basis.
What's the point of investing in a state of the art training centre if your Director of Performance is phoning it in and rarely sets foot in the building!?
Well said!!!
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Marti, stick or twist? on 14:18 - Apr 24 with 1328 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:46 - Apr 24 by Ned_Kennedys
Was going to post that you need to be prepared to be accused of being Nourry/his Mum/Hoos etc for going against Group Speak but I can see it’s already started.
So predictable on here sometimes.
Thanks Ned, but I don’t mind, its human nature so no point worrying about it.
As humans evolved in tribes, it became a survival trait to not assess what the ‘right’, opinion was to have about something, but what opinion did most other people hold, and so what opinion would best protect my safety or in this case status within the group. They are literally chemically incapable of critically assessing this.
So only a small percentage of generally high testosterone people will actually genuinely analyse what they think, and then autists (hey!!)
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Marti, stick or twist? on 14:20 - Apr 24 with 1308 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 13:57 - Apr 24 by KensalT
Your assumptions about how Ben Williams works are probably correct. He probably is mostly analysing data rather than needing to be hands on with the players.
And to be honest that's how I assumed he was working.
But that doesn't mean it's how he should be working.
Markofthegrove has pointed out on this thread that both us and Brooklyn Nets have experienced a lot of injuries under Williams and that a lot of those are the supposedly preventable soft tissue injuries.
Maybe his minions aren't properly interpreting his instructions. Maybe problems aren't being spotted soon enough or interventions not happening soon enough. Maybe his staff don't have the authority to do anything without him signing off on it first. Maybe a man with so many other commitments is impossible to get hold of when you need him.
Ultimately Williams is simultaneously working across several different countries and several different time zones.
How does he manage his time effectively and where do we sit in his overall priorities?
I think Marti is well within his rights to insist that such an important role be full-time and at the very least on site on a regular basis.
What's the point of investing in a state of the art training centre if your Director of Performance is phoning it in and rarely sets foot in the building!?
Sorry, fat fingered. Meant to upvote. Great post.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 14:20 - Apr 24 with 1305 views
Coming soon... 'CEO Christian Nourry would like to remind fans that they have until 9PM to submit their chants for approval ahead of Saturday's match against Burnley. Decisions over volume and references to foodstuffs, alcoholic branding and antipathy towards other clubs will be made in committee. Jude the Cat will be made available to discuss club policy in the upcoming Supporters Progressive Unity & Reconciliation Model (SPURM) meeting to be held in the 2041 close season.'
The whole thing's mad,I don't know why, you have to laugh, or else you cry...
Christian Nourry has asked fans to sing “go right, go right” as it’s a bit more positive.
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