| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 74959 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:54 - Apr 24 with 2156 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:22 - Apr 24 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Just out of morbid curiosity / gallow's humour... Thought I'd check how the Nets' season has gone from an injury perspective.
Their top four scorers this year are:
Cam Thomas - Missed 57 games. Played in 30% of games.
Dennis Schroder - Missed 54 games. Played in 34% of games.
Cameron Johnson - Missed 25 games. Played in 70% of games.
De'Angelo Russell - Missed 53 games. Played in 35% of games.
They missed 189 games between them. Playing in well under half their games (42%)
How do I apply for this Ben Williams gig? Pretty sure my golf handicap would really benefit from this type of work commitment. |
Having done some further digging, their injury record in terms of the number of injuries puts them joint 3rd in the NBA.
They have lost a total of 420 games from 20 players.
In terms of total days missed through injury they are 1st in the NBA.
The NBA is an 82 game season. [Post edited 24 Apr 11:40]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:08 - Apr 24 with 2046 views | terryb |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:58 - Apr 24 by dmm |
So with WLS reporting this...
Cifuentes said: “I need to sit with Christian and decide what is the plan. What does he want? And what is the idea? Obviously I have my thoughts and my ideas on how we can improve.”
... do we have to accept Marti is basically lying to us? |
That doesn't say that a meeting WILL take place. Only that they need to sit down with each other.It would need both of them to agree to a meeting for it to happen.
Personally, I would think that if the manager doesn't know what the CEO/DOF plans & desires are, it is a relationship without a future! | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:15 - Apr 24 with 1987 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:54 - Apr 24 by Markofthegrove |
Having done some further digging, their injury record in terms of the number of injuries puts them joint 3rd in the NBA.
They have lost a total of 420 games from 20 players.
In terms of total days missed through injury they are 1st in the NBA.
The NBA is an 82 game season. [Post edited 24 Apr 11:40]
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Imagine if Les Ferdinand had let Chris Ramsey work part time from Dubai whilst also working for other clubs on a part time basis, people would have quite rightly gone mental, this has all really gone under the radar |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:25 - Apr 24 with 1898 views | dmm |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:08 - Apr 24 by terryb |
That doesn't say that a meeting WILL take place. Only that they need to sit down with each other.It would need both of them to agree to a meeting for it to happen.
Personally, I would think that if the manager doesn't know what the CEO/DOF plans & desires are, it is a relationship without a future! |
I was thinking of the assertions in this thread and elsewhere that Marti has already decided to leave. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:26 - Apr 24 with 1873 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:15 - Apr 24 by daveB |
Imagine if Les Ferdinand had let Chris Ramsey work part time from Dubai whilst also working for other clubs on a part time basis, people would have quite rightly gone mental, this has all really gone under the radar |
So what?
Eileen Drury managed to heal the England players from Surrey while they were in France. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:26 - Apr 24 with 1877 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:28 - Apr 24 by GaryBannister86 |
Well our owners' decision making is so basic I think it probably would do the trick.
Problem is, in reality, won't actually happen. Lots of passion and knowledge on this message board, but once you get to the ground - people look at you like you are a loon. |
Yeah aren’t the vast majority of the club’s fans (the ones that go to games) stupid?
Have a word with yourself: as if a few people who have descended on this thread with their ‘knowledge’(hello again Markofthegrove) speak for all of us. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:34 - Apr 24 with 1818 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:26 - Apr 24 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yeah aren’t the vast majority of the club’s fans (the ones that go to games) stupid?
Have a word with yourself: as if a few people who have descended on this thread with their ‘knowledge’(hello again Markofthegrove) speak for all of us. |
I dont have time to be on here constantly. I have met Nourry twice now and feel like I am able give a more formulated opinion on him based on that, than other fans will be able to.
Now that doesn't mean you have to agree with me. BUT, it's not just me saying this. There are MANY people that I haven't met on here and they're saying the same things as me and have been for a year now. | | | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:41 - Apr 24 with 1752 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:15 - Apr 24 by daveB |
Imagine if Les Ferdinand had let Chris Ramsey work part time from Dubai whilst also working for other clubs on a part time basis, people would have quite rightly gone mental, this has all really gone under the radar |
Not like for like Dave. As a coach Chris was working with both the team and individuals.
It could well be that last year Ben Williams was working personally with individual players whereas this year other folk are implementing his instructions and information is being moved between London and Dubai.
Maybe Chair would have been available more often this season if Ben Williams had face to face meetings with him and not zoom calls. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:49 - Apr 24 with 1675 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:41 - Apr 24 by rbee |
Not like for like Dave. As a coach Chris was working with both the team and individuals.
It could well be that last year Ben Williams was working personally with individual players whereas this year other folk are implementing his instructions and information is being moved between London and Dubai.
Maybe Chair would have been available more often this season if Ben Williams had face to face meetings with him and not zoom calls. |
Maybe not Ramsey, what about if the Doctor or physio was working abroad and also part time for someone else or the head of recruitment was at QPR games every week rather than out looking at other players
If you are not around the players every day I'm not sure how you can do the job and the evidence is clear, last season when he was on site very few injuries this season has been a mess
We've had multiple players get long term injuries likes of Colback, Clarke Salter, Frey, Dembele, Chair, Paal, Celar, Anderson, Kolli and Lloyd. We've had spells this season where we only had 1 fit forward and spells where we had no fit forwards
I don't buy that this is a coincidence [Post edited 24 Apr 11:51]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:49 - Apr 24 with 1672 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:41 - Apr 24 by rbee |
Not like for like Dave. As a coach Chris was working with both the team and individuals.
It could well be that last year Ben Williams was working personally with individual players whereas this year other folk are implementing his instructions and information is being moved between London and Dubai.
Maybe Chair would have been available more often this season if Ben Williams had face to face meetings with him and not zoom calls. |
That's essentially how it is working, but why doesn't Nourry just tell us how it is working? Nip it in the bud and stop fans speculating and then you don't end up with stories in the Sun.
BUT if my boss was calling it in from Dubai for a year, apparently never being on site, but there are others carrying out the plan on the training ground, then it brings optics and standards into play.
Is that a professional way to go about things at a football club? Will that lower morale within the team that has boots on the ground? What does this look like from an optics point of view?
In my experience the likely answers are - NO/YES/BAD [Post edited 24 Apr 11:50]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:54 - Apr 24 with 1601 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:07 - Apr 24 by Markofthegrove |
I know who I would believe first and it isn't the child that has the communication skills of a fruit bat. |
https://news.st-andrews.ac.uk/archive/bats-to-shine-a-light-on-human-language/
I realise emotions (ands no doubt emoticons) are running high round Marti, Nourry et al, but I cannot let pass your derogation of the communication skills of the bat community, fruity or otherwise. See the above study as an initial corrective. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:57 - Apr 24 with 1609 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Well Saturday is going to be fun then. What minute for the first fan to run on and sit in the centre circle with a corner flag? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:59 - Apr 24 with 1599 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:54 - Apr 24 by Markofthegrove |
Having done some further digging, their injury record in terms of the number of injuries puts them joint 3rd in the NBA.
They have lost a total of 420 games from 20 players.
In terms of total days missed through injury they are 1st in the NBA.
The NBA is an 82 game season. [Post edited 24 Apr 11:40]
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To be fair on this I think you need to look at the types of injuries.
Looking through this list I think I counted seven different players with hamstring issues:
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/brooklyn-nets-team-injuries
That does seem a lot. But I don't follow basketball so I don't know what would be considered normal for a season. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:02 - Apr 24 with 1574 views | Blue_Castello |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:15 - Apr 24 by BAWHoops |
A lot of people trying to play detective here. Article is from a good journo who knows his QPR stuff.
Marti thinks certain aspects of the club need improving, CN doesn't. They are arguing about it.
They'll have a meeting to see if they can reconcile their differences.
It would be an absolute bollock dropping by the club if they let him go. He's loved by the fans (and seemingly the players). Nobody would begrudge him moving to a bigger club if the opportunity arises, but to toss it all in over seemingly small fries is such a shame.
It's probably a salvageable situation if Marti and CN want to salvage it |
Must admit I've been pi**ed off seeing this thread title from day one as if we are in a position to say he's not good enough for us, sorry I find that laughable.
I've given all my reasonings in a previous post as to why I think Marti has done a good job through adversity, none of us know the full limitations of his relationship with Nourry but it appears to have finally surfaced that it's not good. There is a huge danger that he will be poached by another Championship club I've mentioned Leicester already and there will be competition.
As you say it's probably a salvageable situation if they can get together and Nourry accepts he is inexperienced particularly as a Director Of Football, listens and accept Martis opinion. What really needs to happen is Amit and Ruben get involved call a board meeting and try and thrash out a way forward because this all appears to be happening with the owners not involved.
There's hardly a dissenting voice on this thread, everybody wants Marti to stay it just needs people to communicate better, be a bit flexible in their attitude and opinion, if it's not done then Marti will accept the first offer on the table. [Post edited 24 Apr 12:06]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:03 - Apr 24 with 1556 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:59 - Apr 24 by KensalT |
To be fair on this I think you need to look at the types of injuries.
Looking through this list I think I counted seven different players with hamstring issues:
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/brooklyn-nets-team-injuries
That does seem a lot. But I don't follow basketball so I don't know what would be considered normal for a season. |
Of course. A lot more context is needed to understand what injuries? When? What was the player's workload at the time? Loads of questions that would take time and nuance.
But basic stats can allow those basic themes to emerge. Sometimes that's all you need. We have all been watching QPR for a long time, and our fans are pretty good at noticing when something is not quite right. We have been through a lot. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:09 - Apr 24 with 1517 views | Lblock |
I cannot believe I've read here that the Brat in charge has agreed to PAY Marti to leave in the summer?
I mean.... FFS.... I just didn't think this club could get any more mental but it keeps on proving me wrong time and time again.
It'll make my mind up on getting a season ticket so would like this cleared up soon as! |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:11 - Apr 24 with 1504 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:47 - Apr 24 by JamesB1979 |
I’ve always liked the journo who wrote the article. Surprised he’s behind this. |
What, doing his job? Earning a living? Getting information out the fans deserve to know while there are still games left? |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:14 - Apr 24 with 1466 views | PlanetHonneywood |
This thread sums up QPR; especially since that fat useless prick from KL wobbled in and instigated 14 years - and counting- of utter incompetence from the top-down.
Frankly, if I were Marti, I'd jump ship as soon as something remotely more buoyant than us came calling. Why would you stay here when you've permanently got one arm twisted behind your back.
I hope I'm wrong, but you get the view that Marti has put his cards on the table and if the club let's Kim Jung play their hand, then we know what's coming. I guess Marti's body language will tell a lot on Saturday, but if Kim Jung is overseeing his removal, have the guts to do it before the game so Marti can get the send-off he deserves.
If, however, it's just a blip one sees in the workplace, then hopefully QPR/Kim Jung might learn something about managing internal (and external) relationships better then they've been doing since Kim Jung arrived.
As always with the Rangers: it's all Q and no PR and frankly, I'm sick to the back teeth with it. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:19 - Apr 24 with 1427 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:02 - Apr 24 by Blue_Castello |
Must admit I've been pi**ed off seeing this thread title from day one as if we are in a position to say he's not good enough for us, sorry I find that laughable.
I've given all my reasonings in a previous post as to why I think Marti has done a good job through adversity, none of us know the full limitations of his relationship with Nourry but it appears to have finally surfaced that it's not good. There is a huge danger that he will be poached by another Championship club I've mentioned Leicester already and there will be competition.
As you say it's probably a salvageable situation if they can get together and Nourry accepts he is inexperienced particularly as a Director Of Football, listens and accept Martis opinion. What really needs to happen is Amit and Ruben get involved call a board meeting and try and thrash out a way forward because this all appears to be happening with the owners not involved.
There's hardly a dissenting voice on this thread, everybody wants Marti to stay it just needs people to communicate better, be a bit flexible in their attitude and opinion, if it's not done then Marti will accept the first offer on the table. [Post edited 24 Apr 12:06]
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Spot on.
My personal opinion though is it’s gone far further than most of us realise or would like to believe. It felt last summer like he was about to join Sunderland and the bookies agreed. I don’t believe all that happens without him being in the building fighting to get the job. If he were in a mindset 12 months ago that jumping ship were for the best I can’t see anything that’s happened this year having changed his mind. More likely quite the opposite in fact.
It hasn’t looked or smelled quite right all season. I think we all better get used to the idea of him going and us being at the mercy of Nourry’s next choice as right now that feels somewhat inevitable.
It will be strange seeing him manage another Championship club. Even Warnock I struggled to look at post QPR and want him to do well in our own division. I can’t imagine ever not wanting to see Marti thrive though. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:22 - Apr 24 with 1391 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:03 - Apr 24 by Markofthegrove |
Of course. A lot more context is needed to understand what injuries? When? What was the player's workload at the time? Loads of questions that would take time and nuance.
But basic stats can allow those basic themes to emerge. Sometimes that's all you need. We have all been watching QPR for a long time, and our fans are pretty good at noticing when something is not quite right. We have been through a lot. |
No disrespect but you were referring to Brooklyn Nets injuries, not ours!
Anyway, I did a bit more digging on basketball injuries and it seems hamstring problems are quite common. However this study found 210 hamstring injuries over a five year period:
https://www.mltj.online/hamstring-injury-epidemiology-in-the-national-basketball
"Results. 210 hamstring injuries occurred in the NBA from 2016-2021. The most common injuries were strained left hamstrings (45/210, 21.4%) and right hamstrings (45/210, 21.4%). The mean age at the time of injury was 28.0 ± 4.1 years old. Subsequent injuries occurred in 171 players in the same and/or following season (171/210, 81.4%)"
210 hamstring injuries in five years spread across 30 teams gives an average of seven per team. (1.4 per team per season)
But Brooklyn Nets have reported seven players with hamstring injuries just this season. That's five times the average found in the study.
There might be reasons for that such as age of the players or previous history of hamstring injuries. But from where I'm sitting seven in one season does seem a lot. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:28 - Apr 24 with 1347 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Just to keep things in perspective MC has walked out of every job roughly every 18-24 months. He actively put him self out there for the Sunderland and Burnley job last summer.
Is this someone really aligned to a look term build? Does he just walk when he can't have what he wants? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:29 - Apr 24 with 1326 views | mart_Goblin |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:11 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
What, doing his job? Earning a living? Getting information out the fans deserve to know while there are still games left? |
Well that’s the crux.
Some fans just don’t want to hear it and that’s understandable.
But some things are in such plain sight , some prefer to see around them ….the point made that perhaps MC is a liar yet no mention of the nonsense CN served up on his opening club statement.
Some great posts on this thread .
Some obviously in positions of knowledge . I’ll just leave it at that. .
But, as put plainly by someone else , imagine being so arrogant that you’d suggest MC isn’t good enough for US right now ?!?!?
I hope we get fully behind MC Saturday as done previously . |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:41 - Apr 24 with 1231 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:29 - Apr 24 by mart_Goblin |
Well that’s the crux.
Some fans just don’t want to hear it and that’s understandable.
But some things are in such plain sight , some prefer to see around them ….the point made that perhaps MC is a liar yet no mention of the nonsense CN served up on his opening club statement.
Some great posts on this thread .
Some obviously in positions of knowledge . I’ll just leave it at that. .
But, as put plainly by someone else , imagine being so arrogant that you’d suggest MC isn’t good enough for US right now ?!?!?
I hope we get fully behind MC Saturday as done previously . |
Hang on a sec there fella. I don’t think anyone has said anything positive about Nourry. And is anyone saying Marti isn’t good enough for us? I just want stability and would love Marti and Nourry to sort it out. Rather we could all discuss the squad rather than this nonsense. Let’s see what happens. I think he will stay personally. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 12:45 - Apr 24 with 1181 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:58 - Apr 24 by dmm |
So with WLS reporting this...
Cifuentes said: “I need to sit with Christian and decide what is the plan. What does he want? And what is the idea? Obviously I have my thoughts and my ideas on how we can improve.”
... do we have to accept Marti is basically lying to us? |
Personally thought Warburton was the best manager we had in years, actually enjoyed the way we played. Never subscribed to all the plan B rubbish, his luck run out with keeper injuries, losing Willock with that hamstring injury and those stupid January signings which seemed to disrupt the team and for all the politics and agendas that were going on, we missed a trick on letting him and Eustace go. Marti is a decent manager, but again looks like he may get done over by all the bizarre politics that go on at this club. Still let's wait and see. |  | | |
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