| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 66112 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:24 - Apr 23 with 2432 views | Match82 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:18 - Apr 23 by davman |
Thing is, I could have written that from the sources on here, so its not news. The direct quotes have been reported everywhere else and you can spin it that way or you can spin it another way.
It may be right; it may be wrong, but the WLS crew have hardly been positive about Nourry from Day One have they? All of this of course makes it really, really easy for Marti to walk away and still look like the good guy even if he isn't.
Once this type of article makes it to the MSM, something usually happens although I am sure I read in that 'kin rag that we were going to get stuck with a points deduction over the Faurlin saga...
If he is going, then let him announce it before Saturday so that we can say good bye. It'd also be lovely if we knew which of the OOC players were going too...
But that requires communication with the fans so I doubt that'll happen... |
Full and complete list of quotes from that article
“The supporters since I first came here have been amazing. But I would like to give them something else and not just celebrate another season in the Championship."
This may well end up being true. But that article isn't exactly brimming with evidence about the fact that Marti is about to walk out. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:43 - Apr 23 with 2271 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:18 - Apr 23 by davman |
Thing is, I could have written that from the sources on here, so its not news. The direct quotes have been reported everywhere else and you can spin it that way or you can spin it another way.
It may be right; it may be wrong, but the WLS crew have hardly been positive about Nourry from Day One have they? All of this of course makes it really, really easy for Marti to walk away and still look like the good guy even if he isn't.
Once this type of article makes it to the MSM, something usually happens although I am sure I read in that 'kin rag that we were going to get stuck with a points deduction over the Faurlin saga...
If he is going, then let him announce it before Saturday so that we can say good bye. It'd also be lovely if we knew which of the OOC players were going too...
But that requires communication with the fans so I doubt that'll happen... |
usually when Dave Mc is skeptical about someone he's proved right by the end. He had Fernandes sussed years before we all worked it out so he's always worth listening to
I very much doubt he's going to go before the end of the season, they'll sit down at the end of the season and he'll either get what he wants or it will blow up and he'll likely go |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:47 - Apr 23 with 2250 views | Jeff |
I think the important point here is not necessarily the content of the article, which is basically a rehash of the post match quotes and other bits doing the rounds, it’s that a well known and connected (in QPR circles at least) journalist is willing to stick his head over the parapet and state in a national publication, on the record, that things between Nourry and Cifuentes are, ostensibly, fücked.
I guarantee that behind the scenes Nourry is absolutely screwing about this article. It forces the issue now, it can’t be ducked or bumped down the road. I’d honestly be suprised if Marti is in charge for Sunderland, and I expect the atmosphere at the Burnley game to be fairly toxic… |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:52 - Apr 23 with 2199 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Bollox, why does nothing ever run smoothly? If its a battle between Nourry and Marti there is only ever going to be one winner.
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:54 - Apr 23 with 2168 views | Hoopstar |
Yes but I'll be chanting Sack Nourry all next season if Cifuentes is forced to walk by his nincompoopery |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:57 - Apr 23 with 2144 views | GaryHaddock |
Assuming this has some truth to it…
I wonder where the players and coaching staff stand. And the board.
Just our luck that world’s most interfering board suddenly become hands off at the onset of a genuinely well liked manager’s imminent departure. [Post edited 23 Apr 21:38]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:05 - Apr 23 with 2053 views | Rangersw12 |
As fans I think we have a big part to play in the last couple of games to let the board know that we are behind Marti and the club should be doing everything to keep him | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:14 - Apr 23 with 1999 views | QPRSam |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:05 - Apr 23 by Rangersw12 |
As fans I think we have a big part to play in the last couple of games to let the board know that we are behind Marti and the club should be doing everything to keep him |
Absolutely, I hope Marti is backed loud and proud on Saturday | | | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:14 - Apr 23 with 1996 views | Rsole |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:18 - Apr 23 by Wegerles_Stairs |
The article says 'QPR chiefs' vetoed Nourry's attempt to appoint a set-piece coach. Who are those chiefs? Isn't Nourry running things? |
Onouha, innit |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:17 - Apr 23 with 1971 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:01 - Apr 23 by Hunterhoop |
But it’s not really, it’s Ian Mc. |
Why are you doing this to me? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:17 - Apr 23 with 1968 views | Rsole |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 13:31 - Apr 23 by Dorse |
Fine. We'll send it as it is. |
If my dog is on that, there will be claret on the cobbles…. | |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:22 - Apr 23 with 1935 views | Rsole |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:47 - Apr 23 by Jeff |
I think the important point here is not necessarily the content of the article, which is basically a rehash of the post match quotes and other bits doing the rounds, it’s that a well known and connected (in QPR circles at least) journalist is willing to stick his head over the parapet and state in a national publication, on the record, that things between Nourry and Cifuentes are, ostensibly, fücked.
I guarantee that behind the scenes Nourry is absolutely screwing about this article. It forces the issue now, it can’t be ducked or bumped down the road. I’d honestly be suprised if Marti is in charge for Sunderland, and I expect the atmosphere at the Burnley game to be fairly toxic… |
For it to be national news, I would expect someone has spoken to a ‘source’ to validate at least some of this because it’s been out there previously.
My suspicion would be that an agent or two are the source(s) and they are using Ian as the local expert to add a bit more credibility to the material.
It has been rather inevitable that at some stage this would happen though.
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:23 - Apr 23 with 1908 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:47 - Apr 23 by Jeff |
I think the important point here is not necessarily the content of the article, which is basically a rehash of the post match quotes and other bits doing the rounds, it’s that a well known and connected (in QPR circles at least) journalist is willing to stick his head over the parapet and state in a national publication, on the record, that things between Nourry and Cifuentes are, ostensibly, fücked.
I guarantee that behind the scenes Nourry is absolutely screwing about this article. It forces the issue now, it can’t be ducked or bumped down the road. I’d honestly be suprised if Marti is in charge for Sunderland, and I expect the atmosphere at the Burnley game to be fairly toxic… |
The atmosphere will be the same as it always is.
There is no evidence of anything in that article apart from the fact that the journalist is stirring the pot for some reason: no need for getting over excited yet. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:32 - Apr 23 with 1834 views | loftus77 |
Yes, as others have said , this article is a word-for-word compilation of what has been discussed on here for weeks. There is absolutely nothing new or groundbreaking about it, though I do accept that Ian McCullough is a respected sports journalist with QPR connections.
I still maintain that the best scenario for all concerned here is for Hoos/Nourry to sit down with Marti/Zavi in the week after the Sunderland game (summit-style as I think Clive was intimating) and try and map out a serious, sensible plan. The adults must enter the room here quickly and work for the best interest of QPR FC and themselves; the two are linked.
The question they must address is, despite the alleged disagreements, can Marti/Zavi be retained in their posts for just one more full season to May 2026? Suspend the Nourry data-model for just one year and come back to it in June 2026 after Marti has gone. In the meantime it seems to me that QPR FC fans, players, the whole club would benefit from giving Marti/Zavi one year in charge to lead the team and have total say on signings throughout 2025/26. This is a return to 'What Manager Wants Manager Gets' I know, but only for one season. This gives Nourry and the club a full year to plan and manage the change to a similar management team, style and ethos next to ensure continuity and keep the fanbase on board.
I know the above may be fanciful if things have really turned toxic, but the alternative is a frenzied end-of-season meltdown and panic in the next two weeks from which no one really gains including Marti - would Norwich, West Brom, Southampton or Leicester want to risk taking on a promising but unproven top-half Championship level coach who's just had a major bust-up with a CEO destabilising a club?
Forlorn hopes, I know. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:32 - Apr 23 with 1831 views | simmo |
People in the club starting to talk and protecting their own positions now we're at the end of the season and decisions are to be made is not new, or unique to QPR. The Les, Lee, Ramsey fallout was only a few years ago and shít got leaked all over.
I agree this article doesn't say much we don't already know based on the WLS post match interview from Monday, but I think these whispers have been building for a while and people aren't happy - that usually ends with change somewhere... |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:39 - Apr 23 with 1783 views | Gloucs_R |
I know Ian reads this message board and would assume that him and Clive swap the occasional text....
Not sure Ian would risk rocking the boat if there was no smoke. But he clearly feels that Mari has done a decent job this year.
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:40 - Apr 23 with 1733 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:32 - Apr 23 by loftus77 |
Yes, as others have said , this article is a word-for-word compilation of what has been discussed on here for weeks. There is absolutely nothing new or groundbreaking about it, though I do accept that Ian McCullough is a respected sports journalist with QPR connections.
I still maintain that the best scenario for all concerned here is for Hoos/Nourry to sit down with Marti/Zavi in the week after the Sunderland game (summit-style as I think Clive was intimating) and try and map out a serious, sensible plan. The adults must enter the room here quickly and work for the best interest of QPR FC and themselves; the two are linked.
The question they must address is, despite the alleged disagreements, can Marti/Zavi be retained in their posts for just one more full season to May 2026? Suspend the Nourry data-model for just one year and come back to it in June 2026 after Marti has gone. In the meantime it seems to me that QPR FC fans, players, the whole club would benefit from giving Marti/Zavi one year in charge to lead the team and have total say on signings throughout 2025/26. This is a return to 'What Manager Wants Manager Gets' I know, but only for one season. This gives Nourry and the club a full year to plan and manage the change to a similar management team, style and ethos next to ensure continuity and keep the fanbase on board.
I know the above may be fanciful if things have really turned toxic, but the alternative is a frenzied end-of-season meltdown and panic in the next two weeks from which no one really gains including Marti - would Norwich, West Brom, Southampton or Leicester want to risk taking on a promising but unproven top-half Championship level coach who's just had a major bust-up with a CEO destabilising a club?
Forlorn hopes, I know. |
Football fans are hilarious, a whirlpool of chaos. Not so long ago, it was all about how the DoF 'model' was the only way to go, and how no manager should be getting the keys to the transfer kitty like it was the good old days - I seem to remember more than one 'think pieces' on this 'ere board to that effect.
Well, people disagree, of course, but put, I don't know, half a dozen of us in a boardroom, and it'd likely be (possibly or possibly not creative) anarchy. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:44 - Apr 23 with 1694 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:32 - Apr 23 by sparkey |
Really is a shame if it were to happen.
A head of performance being allowed to work from Dubai is a disgrace to begin with, but to be a big reason to why Marti was to go is unforgiveable.
If anyone was to go, I'd rather it be Nourry. |
Buty maybe it would just be his excuse if Marti were to choose to abandon us. Why do you assume that anyone in football, including managers, says what they mean?
As soon as coaches start telling you how honest they are, whether it's Marti or Warnock, my eyes start to roll. Most people dissimulate in one way or another, just because we all have an unconscious, and especially those in 'positions' or with 'names' to protect. | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:50 - Apr 23 with 1694 views | colinallcars |
I rarely take much notice of what managers say. They tend to be very guarded and predictable which is understandable really. They have to avoid any statement that may be open to misconstruction, so stick to the book. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:57 - Apr 23 with 1656 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:23 - Apr 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
The atmosphere will be the same as it always is.
There is no evidence of anything in that article apart from the fact that the journalist is stirring the pot for some reason: no need for getting over excited yet. |
Could the ‘some reason’ be because it’s true? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:32 - Apr 23 with 1486 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:47 - Apr 23 by Jeff |
I think the important point here is not necessarily the content of the article, which is basically a rehash of the post match quotes and other bits doing the rounds, it’s that a well known and connected (in QPR circles at least) journalist is willing to stick his head over the parapet and state in a national publication, on the record, that things between Nourry and Cifuentes are, ostensibly, fücked.
I guarantee that behind the scenes Nourry is absolutely screwing about this article. It forces the issue now, it can’t be ducked or bumped down the road. I’d honestly be suprised if Marti is in charge for Sunderland, and I expect the atmosphere at the Burnley game to be fairly toxic… |
"I think the important point here is not necessarily the content of the article, which is basically a rehash of the post match quotes and other bits doing the rounds, it’s that a well known and connected (in QPR circles at least) journalist is willing to stick his head over the parapet and state in a national publication, on the record, that things between Nourry and Cifuentes are, ostensibly, fücked."
That was my first thought as well. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:34 - Apr 23 with 1464 views | 1JD |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:57 - Apr 23 by GaryHaddock |
Assuming this has some truth to it…
I wonder where the players and coaching staff stand. And the board.
Just our luck that world’s most interfering board suddenly become hands off at the onset of a genuinely well liked manager’s imminent departure. [Post edited 23 Apr 21:38]
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Isn’t it just.
Unfortunately they’ve left Lee Hoos in charge. Who hired Nourry, who reports into him. Both are in lockstep. Neither with an ounce of football strategy or operations experience between them. If you thought Hoos had an oversized, unchecked ego, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
There’s several of us been hinting at the elephant in the room for some time. It was always going to come to this. And will be the same for the next coach. And the next one. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:34 - Apr 23 with 1461 views | Northernr |
Looking forward to the Q&A with the coaching staff, which Christian has been promising you since September…
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:39 - Apr 23 with 1412 views | PunteR |
We've all read the script. Same every season.
As it proved with Warburton, it doesn't matter what the fans think, although I do think the vote for sticking is unanimous this time.
It's the owners that have let this situation escalate, as always. I can't see Nourry going, so the manager leaving looks sadly inevitable.
Maybe this article coming out is agents trying make changes happen within the club, who knows. Clearly Marti isn't happy here, so it's more the case of not If but When. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:45 - Apr 23 with 1351 views | 1JD |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:40 - Apr 23 by stainrods_elbow |
Football fans are hilarious, a whirlpool of chaos. Not so long ago, it was all about how the DoF 'model' was the only way to go, and how no manager should be getting the keys to the transfer kitty like it was the good old days - I seem to remember more than one 'think pieces' on this 'ere board to that effect.
Well, people disagree, of course, but put, I don't know, half a dozen of us in a boardroom, and it'd likely be (possibly or possibly not creative) anarchy. |
You are missing the critical point. The strategy of DOF, which is an absolute must in the modern game, only truly works if you appoint someone who a. Has earned his stripes and b. Has proven his success.
However, if you appoint a lad 2-3 years out of uni, with no permanent full time job to speak of, never been on a payroll, and no background managing a team of 2, let alone 100+, then know it won’t likely end well.
There’s DOFs and then there’s that. | | | |
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