| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 66578 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:20 - Apr 24 with 2036 views | GroveR |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 07:23 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
Well it's tense on both sides. The club think he put it about for other jobs last summer, Burnley and Sunderland. And they don't think our injuries have been that bad this season, they reckon we're about midtable for injuries we/he just talk about it a lot more.
It's your standard relationship breakdown.
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They don't think our injuries have been that bad? We have professional athletes in a sport that requires aerobic and anaerobic conditioning who are gassed after 25mins of jogging. Do these people not think anyone else has fùcking eyes? |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:21 - Apr 24 with 2010 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:17 - Apr 24 by GaryBannister86 |
One thing (of many) I don't understand about all this is why it seems so unlikely that Marti stays and Nourry goes. I know Nourry calls the shots, but he doesn't really...it is the owners. They are not blessed with a lot of skills in running the club and making decisions, as we all know, but surely it isn't impossible that they come to the conclusion that finding another Marti would be a lot harder (and more expensive) than finding a qualified DofF / CEO?
They have always been pretty sensitive to fan opinion too - some may say too much so. |
It looks inevitable he's leaving but we must send a message to the board on Saturday, 12.30pm kick-off notwithstanding. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:22 - Apr 24 with 2033 views | Third_Division_South |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:17 - Apr 24 by GaryBannister86 |
One thing (of many) I don't understand about all this is why it seems so unlikely that Marti stays and Nourry goes. I know Nourry calls the shots, but he doesn't really...it is the owners. They are not blessed with a lot of skills in running the club and making decisions, as we all know, but surely it isn't impossible that they come to the conclusion that finding another Marti would be a lot harder (and more expensive) than finding a qualified DofF / CEO?
They have always been pretty sensitive to fan opinion too - some may say too much so. |
Maybe a half hour of “Marti In Nourry Out” Saturday might drive the message home. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:28 - Apr 24 with 1961 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:22 - Apr 24 by Third_Division_South |
Maybe a half hour of “Marti In Nourry Out” Saturday might drive the message home. |
Well our owners' decision making is so basic I think it probably would do the trick.
Problem is, in reality, won't actually happen. Lots of passion and knowledge on this message board, but once you get to the ground - people look at you like you are a loon. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:33 - Apr 24 with 1926 views | Markofthegrove |
They obviously don't teach communication skills at St Pauls.
RE; Ben Williams, it would be very easy to nip this in the bud: "Ben Williams was brought in as a contractor and advisor; yes, he is based in Dubai, but we have 6 other people at the training ground carrying out our strength and conditioning program; this will be reviewed at the end of the season." HOW HARD IS IT?
All he has done is hide information from us. Let us not forget that he is Lee Hoos man; he brought Nourry in and has totally hitched his waggon to Nourry. Lee Hoos always secretly held the fans in contempt, and his mask slipped quite a lot towards the end of his reign.
Basically, you have a manager that is loved universally by about 95% of the fanbase, that has extremely high standards, that is trying to change the mentality of this club and push us forward, that isn't just here for money, is passionate and speaks his mind. And Nourry and Hoos do not like that one bit; they do not like that he removes control from them with his comments in pressers, they do not like his strong personality, and they have such huge egos that they are refusing to put what's best for this football club and its fanbase first.
That is terrible management. This is a battle of egos, and our narcissist 27-year-old CEO and his Darth Sidious have tried to position themselves for a mutual parting this summer, and Marti has sniffed it from a mile off, resulting in his pressers recently.
I have been in those meetings with Nourry, and after some of the meetings that were recorded got edited by the club, cutting out key content, it told me everything I need to know about how he is trying to control this club and the narrative.
NOURRY OUT!! [Post edited 24 Apr 8:36]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:37 - Apr 24 with 1886 views | lassel |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:17 - Apr 24 by GaryBannister86 |
One thing (of many) I don't understand about all this is why it seems so unlikely that Marti stays and Nourry goes. I know Nourry calls the shots, but he doesn't really...it is the owners. They are not blessed with a lot of skills in running the club and making decisions, as we all know, but surely it isn't impossible that they come to the conclusion that finding another Marti would be a lot harder (and more expensive) than finding a qualified DofF / CEO?
They have always been pretty sensitive to fan opinion too - some may say too much so. |
Short answer, Ruben isn’t able to be hands-on, and realistically, MC isn’t going to settle in for 5 years here, so do you burn it all down behind the scenes to keep the popular MC for another twelve months or do you hope CN can get it right over the longer term. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:42 - Apr 24 with 1840 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:37 - Apr 24 by lassel |
Short answer, Ruben isn’t able to be hands-on, and realistically, MC isn’t going to settle in for 5 years here, so do you burn it all down behind the scenes to keep the popular MC for another twelve months or do you hope CN can get it right over the longer term. |
Would be interesting if all the staffers at the club didn't like Nourry. Wouldn't it? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:45 - Apr 24 with 1813 views | E15Hoop |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:37 - Apr 24 by lassel |
Short answer, Ruben isn’t able to be hands-on, and realistically, MC isn’t going to settle in for 5 years here, so do you burn it all down behind the scenes to keep the popular MC for another twelve months or do you hope CN can get it right over the longer term. |
...whilst in the meantime risking p*ssing off your fanbase (because of course we're all too stupid to see what's going on behind the scenes, and football clubs are in no waya festering cesspit of gossip and rumour..)
Nice work Ruben  | | | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:48 - Apr 24 with 1798 views | wombat |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:40 - Apr 23 by stainrods_elbow |
Football fans are hilarious, a whirlpool of chaos. Not so long ago, it was all about how the DoF 'model' was the only way to go, and how no manager should be getting the keys to the transfer kitty like it was the good old days - I seem to remember more than one 'think pieces' on this 'ere board to that effect.
Well, people disagree, of course, but put, I don't know, half a dozen of us in a boardroom, and it'd likely be (possibly or possibly not creative) anarchy. |
dont think anyone has an issue with a DOF , issue is its having one who actually done the job before , understands football and all the baggage which goes with it .instead we end up with a college geek who was tasked to find the very person that funnily enough turned out to be him what a coincdence that was. its been the same issue since the present owners come in , not hjaving somebody with a football brain running the club while they arent here , anyone remember phil beard ? yep he was brilliant as well but way less dangerous than our present CEO/DOF , and what ever else hes taken on job wise . as clive and others have said hes a total control feeak when was the last time he said a word ? did he say anything during the good run ? .or was he sat at his desk cursing that we was doing ok while mrati took some credit , this is likely to only end one way which is a shame for the club and the fans , |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:07 - Apr 24 with 1651 views | NorthantsHoop |
I really don't get too attached to managers and players anymore, football has become even more of a mucky business than it was and always has been. If Marti gets a better offer good luck to him, it's a business we carry on. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:10 - Apr 24 with 1622 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 07:18 - Apr 24 by JamesB1979 |
Those 2 reasons above can cause frustration but reasons to walk out the door? Seems a bit of an overreaction. Is the medical guy phoning it in next season too? |
Ben Williams not only works remotley but he works part time as Director of High Performance at the Brooklyn Nets
The situation is laughable |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:12 - Apr 24 with 1613 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 07:47 - Apr 24 by JamesB1979 |
Well I meant it makes no sense if you want to go into that meeting in good faith. Ie. If I hear good things I will stay. |
When you read the actual quotes there is nothing in there that would suggest he won't enter those meetings in good faith | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:13 - Apr 24 with 1601 views | aston_hoop |
So plenty of Sunderland fans have told me the reason they didn't go in for Cifuentes in the end was the large compensation required to hire him. This was obviously in the summer before they hired Le Bris, presumably but not definitely before his new contract which I assume could only net us more compensation?
So my question is, are the club hoping to wait this out and see if someone comes in for him this summer? They can then say they did all they can to keep him, he can walk into a job with better backing (or go to WBA) and we get a few quid. Big risk that buggers up any pre-season planning of course though. Or is this very much a case of sod the money, pay him off and get on? |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:17 - Apr 24 with 1560 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:10 - Apr 24 by daveB |
Ben Williams not only works remotley but he works part time as Director of High Performance at the Brooklyn Nets
The situation is laughable |
Nourry is tight with him, as Northern has said. Nourry has his brother-in-law swanning around as well, and no one else who works at the club knows what he does.
On Williams, it's an optics and standards thing. If my boss was working remotely and never on site then it just doesn't look good. How does that motivate staff? Foster a cohesive working environment? Create good lines of communication and building of relationships? It doesn't in my experience. Admit the idea was a bad one and move on. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:22 - Apr 24 with 1514 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:12 - Apr 24 by daveB |
When you read the actual quotes there is nothing in there that would suggest he won't enter those meetings in good faith |
Then why would he release this information to the press? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:22 - Apr 24 with 1511 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:10 - Apr 24 by daveB |
Ben Williams not only works remotley but he works part time as Director of High Performance at the Brooklyn Nets
The situation is laughable |
Just out of morbid curiosity / gallow's humour... Thought I'd check how the Nets' season has gone from an injury perspective.
Their top four scorers this year are:
Cam Thomas - Missed 57 games. Played in 30% of games.
Dennis Schroder - Missed 54 games. Played in 34% of games.
Cameron Johnson - Missed 25 games. Played in 70% of games.
De'Angelo Russell - Missed 53 games. Played in 35% of games.
They missed 189 games between them. Playing in well under half their games (42%)
How do I apply for this Ben Williams gig? Pretty sure my golf handicap would really benefit from this type of work commitment. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:27 - Apr 24 with 1457 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 07:54 - Apr 24 by lassel |
There is/was no good faith meeting lined up.
MC & CN agreed some time ago (through his agent obviously as they don’t talk) exactly how much CN would pay MC to fck off at the end of the season. |
Again, do we know these two statements as facts? |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:30 - Apr 24 with 1428 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:27 - Apr 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
Again, do we know these two statements as facts? |
That’s why I asked him to take a bet on it. The statements made sound like their factual to me. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:31 - Apr 24 with 1419 views | TK1 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:22 - Apr 24 by JamesB1979 |
Then why would he release this information to the press? |
He hasn't "released this information to the press". They're all from the on-the-record post match presser that WLS broadcast, all already public domain: the quotes are from Ian's questions that afternoon, plus some off the record detail about the specific complaints Ian's got from either agent or club employee (or both, to corroborate). It's called journalism. It's why WLS ran the clip, because they knew it was coming and it slightly deflates the Sun story's impact (though the off the record stuff helps Ian). | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:35 - Apr 24 with 1354 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 07:54 - Apr 24 by lassel |
There is/was no good faith meeting lined up.
MC & CN agreed some time ago (through his agent obviously as they don’t talk) exactly how much CN would pay MC to fck off at the end of the season. |
I honestly have no idea what will happen if we actually pay money to such a popular manager to get him to leave. Money which could have been spent on signing a remotely capable striker or keeping Jimmy Dunne or Koki Saito.
There would be SO much pressure on Nourry to find a super manager as a replacement. He would have to hit the ground running, win points - lots of them and immediately - and endear himself to an entire fanbase who will be coloured extremely skeptical en masse.
I honestly don't think he has any idea what he's letting himself in for. He's already unpopular but if this goes badly there will be literal protests on his name. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:36 - Apr 24 with 1333 views | Markofthegrove |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:22 - Apr 24 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Just out of morbid curiosity / gallow's humour... Thought I'd check how the Nets' season has gone from an injury perspective.
Their top four scorers this year are:
Cam Thomas - Missed 57 games. Played in 30% of games.
Dennis Schroder - Missed 54 games. Played in 34% of games.
Cameron Johnson - Missed 25 games. Played in 70% of games.
De'Angelo Russell - Missed 53 games. Played in 35% of games.
They missed 189 games between them. Playing in well under half their games (42%)
How do I apply for this Ben Williams gig? Pretty sure my golf handicap would really benefit from this type of work commitment. |
The correlation will be argued by Nourry I am sure.
I saw someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the club think we are mid table for injuries, but how have they calculated that? Because there is a huge difference between, total games missed, actual minutes missed and umber of injuries sustained.
You could get two ACL's in a season and note it as 2 injuries, but you could get 15 muscle pulls and have those players out for 2 or 3 months at a time. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:38 - Apr 24 with 1308 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:31 - Apr 24 by TK1 |
He hasn't "released this information to the press". They're all from the on-the-record post match presser that WLS broadcast, all already public domain: the quotes are from Ian's questions that afternoon, plus some off the record detail about the specific complaints Ian's got from either agent or club employee (or both, to corroborate). It's called journalism. It's why WLS ran the clip, because they knew it was coming and it slightly deflates the Sun story's impact (though the off the record stuff helps Ian). |
The Sun article says and implies a lot more than the WLS article. I would be amazed if Marti wasn’t made aware of its release. All I care about is QPR. And articles like that do our club no good. Keep this stuff in house. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:40 - Apr 24 with 1292 views | slmrstid |
I've said before Nourry strikes me as a nepo-baby who's in because Daddy knows someone. In fact I actually wonder how much of his stated background, if any, is true. I listened to a podcast from Tortoise earlier this week about a guy who's blagged himself a career in high level civil service and Silicon Valley companies by faking a background in private schools, high level universities, and military service in Afghanistan.
Obviously cannot say that is Nourry also because I have no evidence for it (before I get sued yadda yadda), but I'm a cynical person and he doesn't come across as trustworthy in the slightest to me. Remember one of the quotes we saw when he was first appointed claiming he was the "Lionel Messi of the football business"? Ha!
If he genuinely has been walking around the training ground in his own initialled tracksuit he would without a shadow of doubt in my mind have been a figure of ridicule amongst the players and coaches. A football executive has no business prowling training pitches in their own branded tracksuit. Les Ferdinand was different because he played and scored goals at the highest levels and players would respect that element - they will not respect some jumped up public school kid doing the same.
I knew three years ago we'd regret getting rid of Warburton and I was right with the disasters that followed (that Marti has had to rescue from the dumpster fire). If they do the same again they will absolutely regret it again. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:43 - Apr 24 with 1262 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:38 - Apr 24 by JamesB1979 |
The Sun article says and implies a lot more than the WLS article. I would be amazed if Marti wasn’t made aware of its release. All I care about is QPR. And articles like that do our club no good. Keep this stuff in house. |
Haha yeah The Sun has a rich history with fact checking and corroboration before releasing anything that might garner a few clicks or sell a few papers. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:43 - Apr 24 with 1255 views | lassel |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:27 - Apr 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
Again, do we know these two statements as facts? |
I can’t say the settlement agreement as fact Brian as I wasn’t in the room with his agent at the time, however I’ve heard it from enough people unfortunately to believe it to be correct.
Not meaning to put Norf on the spot also, but his rolling laughter response to the notion of a good faith chat to get ready for next season would to me imply that he has also heard the same 😐 | | | |
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