| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 66430 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:17 - Apr 24 with 2566 views | Loft1979 |
Yes. My belief too. Noury Looking for a few bucks, and already has a shortlist. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:23 - Apr 24 with 2501 views | joolsyp |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:26 - Apr 24 by GaryHaddock |
So what?
Eileen Drury managed to heal the England players from Surrey while they were in France. |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:32 - Apr 24 with 2402 views | charmr |
STICK |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:35 - Apr 24 with 2366 views | numptydumpty |
Am i missing something or are SteveC, lasagna the same individual that says he is a part of Stainrods anatomy.
I am genuinely confused.com..... |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:53 - Apr 24 with 2260 views | terryb |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:35 - Apr 24 by numptydumpty |
Am i missing something or are SteveC, lasagna the same individual that says he is a part of Stainrods anatomy.
I am genuinely confused.com..... |
I think it was Steve who posted a few weeks ago that this was hinted about.
I would not have a clue whether there is any justification, but I'm sure that long time poster SteveC is innocent.
Well, this time anyway! | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:03 - Apr 24 with 2183 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:08 - Apr 24 by RangersDave |
Serious question, honestly put.....
I've noted this season that some on here have comented that 'Marti has got that wrong' when it comes to the team selection (yes i know we had injuries), but that the team selection, or substitutions have been wrong or innefective.
Do we think, taking into the overall 'round' of things that all in all, is he doing a good job, or not?
I dont see enough live to come to a conclusion, i'm afraid. |
You can break Marti's time at QPR in to sections.
1. Saved us from relegation last season.
2. Started this season terribly sitting bottom of the table.
3. Enjoyed a purple patch that saw us motoring up the table.
4. Crashed.
5. Recovered enough to avoid the drop.
People say that Marti is in demand but if I was a club owner I would look at that roller coaster ride and Marti would remain on my watch list!
Ignoring last season’s fine effort, there are plenty of factors influencing our 2024/25 season. The players, the backroom staff, club culture, style of play, recruitment, injuries, interference from above. The manager.
To add to this sometimes-bewildering mix Marti achieved section five with the majority of his first team missing and yet playing some attractive football, winning away.
There is no doubt in my mind that Marti is responsible for some of that roller coaster ride, both the good and the bad. Team selection, team set up and tactics.
Marti is a highly likeable guy and has plenty of credit in the bank for keeping us in the Championship the past two seasons despite the ride. He now has a season and a half's Championship experience. I am more than happy for Marti and Xavi to stay. As Clive keeps telling us, continually changing the manager achieves nothing.
I am sure that Marti would also like to stay, you cannot fake his Swansea ( Wrong, Oxford away!) celebrations. [Post edited 24 Apr 18:44]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:09 - Apr 24 with 2150 views | baz_qpr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:13 - Apr 24 by rbee |
Whilst not jumping for joy when the news broke about his Brooklyn Nets job and being based in Dubai, I wasn't too bothered about the Ben Williams situation given that our injury record last season was so good. I assumed that our Director of Performance was a man operating at the highest of levels, highly respected and therefore his services wanted by other sports organisations. I also assumed that from his Dubai base Ben would spend at least a week each month at our training ground which doesn't appear to be the case.
This season has been an injury disaster and as many others have said on here it can't be a coincidence that our injury record is excellent with Ben being present at the training ground and then abysmal when he is not around. In Ben's absence players such as Frey and Varane are picking up injuries whilst not playing in football matches.
This is a situation that cannot continue. Wasn't it mooted that Ben's based in Dubai situation was temporary? I appreciate that it could be a 'how long is a piece of string' question but surely the club would have a clue as to how long the based in Dubai situation is likely to last? If there is no indication of it ending this year then surely it is best for us to replace Ben and move on. |
I think in org terms this comes down to confusion about the RACI.
Responsible, Accountable, Consulted and Informed for the uninitiated.
Responsible is the person or people doing the given activity. Accountable is the person that leads the strategy/structure and is ultimately held to account for the outcomes. Consulted participate in the decision making.
In Williams case I would presume he is accountable. so the people responsible report into him. He is setting the overall structures and he is accountable for the results. Marti on the other hand is consulted because the activity impacts his outcomes. reading between the lines there is both a lack of accountability and consultation in this space.
Williams should have an agreed target to have x availability at any given time, if he and his department fall below that threshold consistently then he has to be held to account for failing to meet it regardless as to whether he is remote or onsite. I suspect the unhappiness is that he is rightly being held to account by Marti and team but not by Nouri and the expectations of his colleagues is that if something is falling below standard he should be onsite for a period to deep dive and work out what needs to be changed.
If in your own line of work a colleague is not taking accountability and that impacts the performance that you are accountable for and you are powerless to do anything about it, and your management won't do anything about it, it breeds unhappiness and conflict and you will look to leave as it reflects on you |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:18 - Apr 24 with 2087 views | numptydumpty |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:22 - Apr 21 by digswellhoop |
twist taken this shower of💩 as far as he can so either sell sqad then he might have a chance |
I normally agree with you digswell but cant agree with this comment at all.
Sorry to disagree...
There are several young players that have room for improvement...
We have signed some decent talent - some are only just showing possible signs of potential whereas a few have looked decent for some time.
Some of the older players have contributed too - however its not all been wonderful, but when is it ever.
Feel realistically we should definitely be ten points higher with this squad but the main reason for under achieving for me is an absolutely awful run with injuries throughout the season and to almost all of the squad
Thats where the issues have been this season
Marti has consistently though for me performed above his remit and lets see what the summer brings us !!!! [Post edited 24 Apr 18:19]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:21 - Apr 24 with 2072 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:03 - Apr 24 by rbee |
You can break Marti's time at QPR in to sections.
1. Saved us from relegation last season.
2. Started this season terribly sitting bottom of the table.
3. Enjoyed a purple patch that saw us motoring up the table.
4. Crashed.
5. Recovered enough to avoid the drop.
People say that Marti is in demand but if I was a club owner I would look at that roller coaster ride and Marti would remain on my watch list!
Ignoring last season’s fine effort, there are plenty of factors influencing our 2024/25 season. The players, the backroom staff, club culture, style of play, recruitment, injuries, interference from above. The manager.
To add to this sometimes-bewildering mix Marti achieved section five with the majority of his first team missing and yet playing some attractive football, winning away.
There is no doubt in my mind that Marti is responsible for some of that roller coaster ride, both the good and the bad. Team selection, team set up and tactics.
Marti is a highly likeable guy and has plenty of credit in the bank for keeping us in the Championship the past two seasons despite the ride. He now has a season and a half's Championship experience. I am more than happy for Marti and Xavi to stay. As Clive keeps telling us, continually changing the manager achieves nothing.
I am sure that Marti would also like to stay, you cannot fake his Swansea ( Wrong, Oxford away!) celebrations. [Post edited 24 Apr 18:44]
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"People say that Marti is in demand but if I was a club owner I would look at that roller coaster ride and Marti would remain on my watch list!"
I think Marti has done very well with us in very difficult circumstances.
Marti also has a promotion with his Norwegian team and European football with his Swedish team. Not to mention also managing in Denmark and Spain.
He has far more on his CV than Russell Martin had when he got the Southampton job, or Danny Rohl has up to now.
In this age of data profiling, tactical style seems to count for a lot with managers. So if Marti is unsettled I think quite a few Championship clubs could come sniffing around.
On the other hand Marti hasn't stayed anywhere for any length of time and I think it would enhance his CV if he stuck with us for at least another year to see if he can push us towards playoff contention.
Also worth remembering that the club did stick with him when we were bottom of the table earlier in the season. That suggests that the club still has faith in him. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:32 - Apr 24 with 1995 views | rbee |
The Norwegian and Swedish Leagues are a lot weaker than the Championship of course.
However, as you say, data profiling and analytics rule these days and are the reasons that we recruited Marti in the first place. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:34 - Apr 24 with 1961 views | loftus77 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:03 - Apr 24 by rbee |
You can break Marti's time at QPR in to sections.
1. Saved us from relegation last season.
2. Started this season terribly sitting bottom of the table.
3. Enjoyed a purple patch that saw us motoring up the table.
4. Crashed.
5. Recovered enough to avoid the drop.
People say that Marti is in demand but if I was a club owner I would look at that roller coaster ride and Marti would remain on my watch list!
Ignoring last season’s fine effort, there are plenty of factors influencing our 2024/25 season. The players, the backroom staff, club culture, style of play, recruitment, injuries, interference from above. The manager.
To add to this sometimes-bewildering mix Marti achieved section five with the majority of his first team missing and yet playing some attractive football, winning away.
There is no doubt in my mind that Marti is responsible for some of that roller coaster ride, both the good and the bad. Team selection, team set up and tactics.
Marti is a highly likeable guy and has plenty of credit in the bank for keeping us in the Championship the past two seasons despite the ride. He now has a season and a half's Championship experience. I am more than happy for Marti and Xavi to stay. As Clive keeps telling us, continually changing the manager achieves nothing.
I am sure that Marti would also like to stay, you cannot fake his Swansea ( Wrong, Oxford away!) celebrations. [Post edited 24 Apr 18:44]
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Great points and I concur - but Oxford away I presume! There was nothing for him (or anyone else) to celebrate on Boxing Day... | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:35 - Apr 24 with 1954 views | KensalT |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:32 - Apr 24 by rbee |
The Norwegian and Swedish Leagues are a lot weaker than the Championship of course.
However, as you say, data profiling and analytics rule these days and are the reasons that we recruited Marti in the first place. |
You can only beat what's put in front of you :-)
Russell Martin only had one top half finish in his entire managerial career when he got the Southampton job. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:45 - Apr 24 with 1881 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:34 - Apr 24 by loftus77 |
Great points and I concur - but Oxford away I presume! There was nothing for him (or anyone else) to celebrate on Boxing Day... |
Lol, thank you for the correction, silly old fool! | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:58 - Apr 24 with 1790 views | davman |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 15:24 - Apr 24 by daveB |
I think thats a good point and should be said I don't think Marti is innocent in all this and the ideal outcome would be heads banged together, Nourry acknowledges his mistakes and looks to rectify them and we all work together to get better next season.
Marti isn't daft, the timing of what he said at the weekend could be seen as phase 1 of his exit plan or could be seen as a cry for help in wanting to stay but it's got his name out there at a time where a lot of jobs are opening up. He'll certainly have options now
I imagine for Nourry now the ideal is that a club comes in for Marti and he can spin it as another Mick Beale or just one of those things rather than if he were to walk or be sacked
I do think every manager gets the team wrong from time to time, can always see what he is trying to do but times where it looked like it wouldn't work before the game and it doesn't. That will all be no different whoever is in charge, even Pep makes some mental team selections from time to time |
This threaad is almost universally Marti good Christian evil. Not a lot of middle ground. For the sake of balance and re Dave's line below (I don't think Marti is innocent in all this), maybe, just maybe, he's had enough and wants out without losing face?
The fact that Clive says he and others have no access yet Dave MC has found a way to get access might suggest Marti is paving his own way out.
He wouldn't be the first 🐺 in 🐏 clothing, would he?
I have no clue other than something is up and I have no clue whose fault that is... |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:01 - Apr 24 with 1574 views | 1JD |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:33 - Apr 24 by TheChef |
Bit harsh to say Hoos has no football strategy or ops experience, I mean he was Burnley CEO before he came to us.
Nourry of course far less experience.
But in terms of which horse Hoos is likely to back, Nourry is his man in the end. |
Football strategy and operations is the purview of the DOF. The football side of operations.
The non-football operations side of business is Lee Hoos department. Finance, marketing et al.
It’s not harsh at all, it’s a fact. This, from the man who distanced himself from football strategy and operations and is on record. For the record. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:01 - Apr 24 with 1571 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:03 - Apr 24 by rbee |
You can break Marti's time at QPR in to sections.
1. Saved us from relegation last season.
2. Started this season terribly sitting bottom of the table.
3. Enjoyed a purple patch that saw us motoring up the table.
4. Crashed.
5. Recovered enough to avoid the drop.
People say that Marti is in demand but if I was a club owner I would look at that roller coaster ride and Marti would remain on my watch list!
Ignoring last season’s fine effort, there are plenty of factors influencing our 2024/25 season. The players, the backroom staff, club culture, style of play, recruitment, injuries, interference from above. The manager.
To add to this sometimes-bewildering mix Marti achieved section five with the majority of his first team missing and yet playing some attractive football, winning away.
There is no doubt in my mind that Marti is responsible for some of that roller coaster ride, both the good and the bad. Team selection, team set up and tactics.
Marti is a highly likeable guy and has plenty of credit in the bank for keeping us in the Championship the past two seasons despite the ride. He now has a season and a half's Championship experience. I am more than happy for Marti and Xavi to stay. As Clive keeps telling us, continually changing the manager achieves nothing.
I am sure that Marti would also like to stay, you cannot fake his Swansea ( Wrong, Oxford away!) celebrations. [Post edited 24 Apr 18:44]
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If I was a club owner I’d look at the pony squad we have - and our insane injury list - and realise Cifuentes performed a miracle keeping QPR in the Championship….twice! Our top scorer is Frey with 8 and then Jimmy Dunne with 5. Behave! |  |
| Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR. |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:02 - Apr 24 with 1571 views | daveB |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:58 - Apr 24 by davman |
This threaad is almost universally Marti good Christian evil. Not a lot of middle ground. For the sake of balance and re Dave's line below (I don't think Marti is innocent in all this), maybe, just maybe, he's had enough and wants out without losing face?
The fact that Clive says he and others have no access yet Dave MC has found a way to get access might suggest Marti is paving his own way out.
He wouldn't be the first 🐺 in 🐏 clothing, would he?
I have no clue other than something is up and I have no clue whose fault that is... |
The quotes from Marti are from the post match press confrence which is on youtube |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:06 - Apr 24 with 1551 views | theone_theonly |
A lot of people are forgetting that Marti signed a fresh "long term"contract in September. Clearly him and Nourry were in some sort of mutual understanding about the future of the club at that point, otherwise he wouldn't have been offered it. How much has changed in the last 7 months to warrant this supposed falling out?
During the January transfer window, we made one permanent first team signing (Vale). We all knew this would have been the case owing to our financial situation, so why would Marti be any different?
One of the articles mentioned Marti being unhappy with a lot of the Nourry signings. How can this be, when about 4 days ago he was speaking about how glad he is to see Madsen (and other players) being able to adapt to Championship football and contributing to the team? So many of Nourry's signings have become key players for us this season: Nardi, Varane, Morrison, Edwards, Saito and even Frey come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I love Marti as much as the next guy. But Nourry is a businessman first and foremost, and his job is to oversee the club as a business. If what is being described in the articles happened in any other workplace, the appropriate thing to do would be to shake hands and part ways.
However, without Marti we would have almost definitely gone down. I am all for sticking with him and we should stick with him whatever the cost, without damaging our finances. But I think there has been so much unnecessary hate for Nourry on this thread in particular that people actually need to start appreciating some of the good things he has done for us as a club. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:09 - Apr 24 with 1516 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:01 - Apr 24 by Northolt_Rs |
If I was a club owner I’d look at the pony squad we have - and our insane injury list - and realise Cifuentes performed a miracle keeping QPR in the Championship….twice! Our top scorer is Frey with 8 and then Jimmy Dunne with 5. Behave! |
But owners will also look at the fact that Cifuentes has walked out of every club he has managed after 18-24 months.
He would have walked in the summer if Sunderland had paid the release clause. That would have been Beale level dickhead.
If he goes, he goes. And let's be honest, bar 1 or 2 games the football has been gash. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:48 - Apr 24 with 1327 views | goodlife |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:32 - Apr 24 by rbee |
The Norwegian and Swedish Leagues are a lot weaker than the Championship of course.
However, as you say, data profiling and analytics rule these days and are the reasons that we recruited Marti in the first place. |
Of course??? Wait a second!
Bodø Glimt vs. Spurs in Europe cup semi next Thursday, the winner, will meet poor ManU in the final. Bodø Glimt beat Lazio in the quarter final.Last year Bodø Glimt beat Rome (Mourinho) 6-2. May be the Norwegian league is not that bad, and championship not that good.
Disclaimer, as a Norwegian I may be slightly biased… |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:49 - Apr 24 with 1324 views | Hunterhoop |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:06 - Apr 24 by theone_theonly |
A lot of people are forgetting that Marti signed a fresh "long term"contract in September. Clearly him and Nourry were in some sort of mutual understanding about the future of the club at that point, otherwise he wouldn't have been offered it. How much has changed in the last 7 months to warrant this supposed falling out?
During the January transfer window, we made one permanent first team signing (Vale). We all knew this would have been the case owing to our financial situation, so why would Marti be any different?
One of the articles mentioned Marti being unhappy with a lot of the Nourry signings. How can this be, when about 4 days ago he was speaking about how glad he is to see Madsen (and other players) being able to adapt to Championship football and contributing to the team? So many of Nourry's signings have become key players for us this season: Nardi, Varane, Morrison, Edwards, Saito and even Frey come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I love Marti as much as the next guy. But Nourry is a businessman first and foremost, and his job is to oversee the club as a business. If what is being described in the articles happened in any other workplace, the appropriate thing to do would be to shake hands and part ways.
However, without Marti we would have almost definitely gone down. I am all for sticking with him and we should stick with him whatever the cost, without damaging our finances. But I think there has been so much unnecessary hate for Nourry on this thread in particular that people actually need to start appreciating some of the good things he has done for us as a club. |
Like what?
Also, 2 years’ career experience isn’t much to start calling yourself “a businessman” but each to their own. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:10 - Apr 24 with 1228 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:49 - Apr 24 by Hunterhoop |
Like what?
Also, 2 years’ career experience isn’t much to start calling yourself “a businessman” but each to their own. |
1) January 2024 transfer window was vital to us staying up. We wouldn’t have done so without Hayden and Anderson. The other 2 also scored crucial goals.
2) We cleared out a lot of deadwood players and staff in the summer of 2024. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:20 - Apr 24 with 1148 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:09 - Apr 24 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
But owners will also look at the fact that Cifuentes has walked out of every club he has managed after 18-24 months.
He would have walked in the summer if Sunderland had paid the release clause. That would have been Beale level dickhead.
If he goes, he goes. And let's be honest, bar 1 or 2 games the football has been gash. |
I don't want him to leave but do agree with you that he generally gets a free pass, with anything negative perceived as being down to Nourry or the injury crisis. It has indeed been a dreadful season - you could probably count the number of decent performances on your fingers, some of the football has been dire and we do seem to repeat the same failings time after time (for instance, Rohl consistently outsmarting Marti). Also, his game management is far from perfect and he's slow to make changes; make the subs at half-time on Monday and maybe we don't lose the game. I'll wager Sunderland fans are made up he didn't go there in the summer... | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:28 - Apr 24 with 1108 views | rbee |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:01 - Apr 24 by Northolt_Rs |
If I was a club owner I’d look at the pony squad we have - and our insane injury list - and realise Cifuentes performed a miracle keeping QPR in the Championship….twice! Our top scorer is Frey with 8 and then Jimmy Dunne with 5. Behave! |
Of course I agree with you to an extent but if Marti had achieved the same without the intense highs and lows I would be in full agreement. We are playing better football now, with a bare bones team, than we started the season with. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 21:31 - Apr 24 with 1087 views | Northernr |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:06 - Apr 24 by theone_theonly |
A lot of people are forgetting that Marti signed a fresh "long term"contract in September. Clearly him and Nourry were in some sort of mutual understanding about the future of the club at that point, otherwise he wouldn't have been offered it. How much has changed in the last 7 months to warrant this supposed falling out?
During the January transfer window, we made one permanent first team signing (Vale). We all knew this would have been the case owing to our financial situation, so why would Marti be any different?
One of the articles mentioned Marti being unhappy with a lot of the Nourry signings. How can this be, when about 4 days ago he was speaking about how glad he is to see Madsen (and other players) being able to adapt to Championship football and contributing to the team? So many of Nourry's signings have become key players for us this season: Nardi, Varane, Morrison, Edwards, Saito and even Frey come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I love Marti as much as the next guy. But Nourry is a businessman first and foremost, and his job is to oversee the club as a business. If what is being described in the articles happened in any other workplace, the appropriate thing to do would be to shake hands and part ways.
However, without Marti we would have almost definitely gone down. I am all for sticking with him and we should stick with him whatever the cost, without damaging our finances. But I think there has been so much unnecessary hate for Nourry on this thread in particular that people actually need to start appreciating some of the good things he has done for us as a club. |
I keep hearing this "oh he signed a contract extension he must have been loving life".
1 - Nobody in any walk of life, never mind notoriously mercenary football, is going to say no if you say "would you like some more money for the same job?"
2 - Marti Cifuentes took us over bottom of the league, 2 wins in 16 games, with a team that couldn't even cross the halfway line. It was a hopeless cause. He will have come here on a deal that said "if you keep us up you will be entitled to X, Y Z" next season. It is extremely likely, borderline certain, that said contract extension was merely what he was entitled to for keeping the team in the Championship the previous season. |  | | |
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