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Marti, stick or twist? on 20:48 - Apr 24 by goodlife
Of course??? Wait a second!
Bodø Glimt vs. Spurs in Europe cup semi next Thursday, the winner, will meet poor ManU in the final. Bodø Glimt beat Lazio in the quarter final.Last year Bodø Glimt beat Rome (Mourinho) 6-2. May be the Norwegian league is not that bad, and championship not that good.
Disclaimer, as a Norwegian I may be slightly biased…
Leicester City also won The Premier League.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:01 - Apr 24 with 2698 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 20:49 - Apr 24 by Hunterhoop
Like what?
Also, 2 years’ career experience isn’t much to start calling yourself “a businessman” but each to their own.
He signed Hayden Frey and Andersen in the first transfer window who were instrumental in keeping us up. He then signed a very good replacement for Hayden on a (presumably) much lower wage in Varane. Like I said before, a lot of his signings have become key players for us this year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he originally hired to audit the club? According the the club website RETEXO have clients including Roma, Athletic Bilbao, and Real Madrid. That seems like pretty good pedigree to me.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:12 - Apr 24 with 2596 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 21:31 - Apr 24 by Northernr
I keep hearing this "oh he signed a contract extension he must have been loving life".
1 - Nobody in any walk of life, never mind notoriously mercenary football, is going to say no if you say "would you like some more money for the same job?"
2 - Marti Cifuentes took us over bottom of the league, 2 wins in 16 games, with a team that couldn't even cross the halfway line. It was a hopeless cause. He will have come here on a deal that said "if you keep us up you will be entitled to X, Y Z" next season. It is extremely likely, borderline certain, that said contract extension was merely what he was entitled to for keeping the team in the Championship the previous season.
And yet according to a few people with ‘knowledge’ he and his agent were pushing to get the Sunderland and Burnley jobs in the summer but were thwarted by the size of the release clause. Funny he should sign a new contract with one presumes a larger release clause ahead of another summer where he and his agent will fancy a few other ‘bigger’ jobs. IF he was genuinely hoping to leave last Summer after 6 months with us thenthat is up there with Beale.
If he wants to go this summer then fair enough: another club pays us for his services and we move on. We’ve had 30+ managers/head coaches since I was a lad and none of them were bigger than the club. Hope he wants to stay but the puff piece in The Sun suggests not.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:12 - Apr 24 with 2602 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:01 - Apr 24 by theone_theonly
He signed Hayden Frey and Andersen in the first transfer window who were instrumental in keeping us up. He then signed a very good replacement for Hayden on a (presumably) much lower wage in Varane. Like I said before, a lot of his signings have become key players for us this year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he originally hired to audit the club? According the the club website RETEXO have clients including Roma, Athletic Bilbao, and Real Madrid. That seems like pretty good pedigree to me.
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My word.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:14 - Apr 24 with 2584 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:01 - Apr 24 by theone_theonly
He signed Hayden Frey and Andersen in the first transfer window who were instrumental in keeping us up. He then signed a very good replacement for Hayden on a (presumably) much lower wage in Varane. Like I said before, a lot of his signings have become key players for us this year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he originally hired to audit the club? According the the club website RETEXO have clients including Roma, Athletic Bilbao, and Real Madrid. That seems like pretty good pedigree to me.
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I imagine our wage bill at the of June will be a lot lower than it was 18 months ago. I also think we, as fans, have to look at what Nourry is doing with regards to the DS and Academy, there are a lot of positives. I can't recall having so many youngsters on loan and the DS average age being this low.
I think credit where credit is due on this. I'll judge how Nourry is doing in 18 months once some of the DS players hit the 1st team. If they are coming through then no one could/should argue against him.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:14 - Apr 24 with 2573 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:01 - Apr 24 by theone_theonly
He signed Hayden Frey and Andersen in the first transfer window who were instrumental in keeping us up. He then signed a very good replacement for Hayden on a (presumably) much lower wage in Varane. Like I said before, a lot of his signings have become key players for us this year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he originally hired to audit the club? According the the club website RETEXO have clients including Roma, Athletic Bilbao, and Real Madrid. That seems like pretty good pedigree to me.
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A 26 year old nobody is the best man for the job…? I’m struggling to follow the logic on this one.
Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:30 - Apr 24 with 2478 views
I imagine our wage bill at the of June will be a lot lower than it was 18 months ago. I also think we, as fans, have to look at what Nourry is doing with regards to the DS and Academy, there are a lot of positives. I can't recall having so many youngsters on loan and the DS average age being this low.
I think credit where credit is due on this. I'll judge how Nourry is doing in 18 months once some of the DS players hit the 1st team. If they are coming through then no one could/should argue against him.
I get what you're saying, I think there were some untouchables who needed to be shifted and he has (Tailor), I think it was ridiculous you had Pedder/Hamalainen/Shodipo/Owens types hanging round into their 20s just in case and he's sorted that/ I like what he said about development squad being 17-18 because we want you in the first team 18-19.
All great. Big tick.
But we've had an injury crisis this year, do we have a boy in the academy who can play centre back for a bit? Nah. Gotta get one of those on loan from Southampton.
"Can't recall having so many youngsters on loan"? Really? The best one from last summer, Tuck, is playing for Enfield. We've never had a problem loaning players into Conference South. We're all super excited about Emmerson Sutton (I am too), but his loan was at Hanwell Town. The only one we've got on any sort of a proper loan is Charlie Kelman.
Totally, hands up, accept these things take time, and I've liked a lot of what they've said and done there so far.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 22:47 - Apr 24 with 2363 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:01 - Apr 24 by theone_theonly
He signed Hayden Frey and Andersen in the first transfer window who were instrumental in keeping us up. He then signed a very good replacement for Hayden on a (presumably) much lower wage in Varane. Like I said before, a lot of his signings have become key players for us this year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he originally hired to audit the club? According the the club website RETEXO have clients including Roma, Athletic Bilbao, and Real Madrid. That seems like pretty good pedigree to me.
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Hilarious.
Genuinely brazen that. He started HB Media in April 2021, a social media firm. He did an interview Imperial talking about it. It filed accounts for that year. At some point from 2022 to Jan 2024 he went to work with a mate who runs Retexo (a three person operation), who are a recruitment firm for the non-playing side of football. A year prior to his appointment we got them in to do an audit. They cleverly expanded the scope, made some recommendations, and Hoos saw a way out (finally!) from his role into his Chairman role (with a payday for gaining investment) and recommended we offer the auditor the CEO role…because that is standard practice in business.
Less than two years experience in football (one reviewing QPR), no leadership experience. Perfect for a CEO role. Naturally.
Do you also judge companies on the logos they stick on their website?!
I imagine our wage bill at the of June will be a lot lower than it was 18 months ago. I also think we, as fans, have to look at what Nourry is doing with regards to the DS and Academy, there are a lot of positives. I can't recall having so many youngsters on loan and the DS average age being this low.
I think credit where credit is due on this. I'll judge how Nourry is doing in 18 months once some of the DS players hit the 1st team. If they are coming through then no one could/should argue against him.
The production/outcomes from our academy now are due to changes made 5-10 years ago.
Ask anyone about cause and effect in youth set ups at football clubs, and they’ll tell you it’s a very very long lag time.
To be brutally honest, and people won’t like hearing it even though his Dad has said it, the likes of Kolli coming through the youth set up is down to Ramsey.
You reap what you sow in 5-10 years, because a youth set up brings in the talent at 9/10 and develops, and ideally retains them, from there on. It has nothing to do with Nourry.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 23:12 - Apr 24 with 2224 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:52 - Apr 24 by Hunterhoop
The production/outcomes from our academy now are due to changes made 5-10 years ago.
Ask anyone about cause and effect in youth set ups at football clubs, and they’ll tell you it’s a very very long lag time.
To be brutally honest, and people won’t like hearing it even though his Dad has said it, the likes of Kolli coming through the youth set up is down to Ramsey.
You reap what you sow in 5-10 years, because a youth set up brings in the talent at 9/10 and develops, and ideally retains them, from there on. It has nothing to do with Nourry.
Correct. The likes of Kolli, Tuck (got the quality but needs to bulk up significantly) and Sutton are Ramsays legacy, as are several more further down including Kennedy.
And whilst I agree with Nourry fast tracking of talent through the age groups, which is standard practice, and long overdue, ie playing a 16 year old at u18s level etc, it doesn’t necessarily make them any higher quality that the previous batch we’ve had over the years. Proof will be in the pudding re who and what is produced, in time.
Nourry’s near term input separate from Ramsays legacy are those in the u21 group who have been bought in from outside with a fee: friel, equerdinha, O’Brien, Dillon.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 06:02 - Apr 25 with 1751 views
He didn't release anything, the quotes are taken from his post match press confrence from Monday when he was asked about his future
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The article says he’s not happy about not being allowed to get a free kick coach in? Did he mention that in the interview? Marti or maybe Xavi must have said something to get that info out.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 06:15 - Apr 25 with 1738 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:30 - Apr 24 by Northernr
I get what you're saying, I think there were some untouchables who needed to be shifted and he has (Tailor), I think it was ridiculous you had Pedder/Hamalainen/Shodipo/Owens types hanging round into their 20s just in case and he's sorted that/ I like what he said about development squad being 17-18 because we want you in the first team 18-19.
All great. Big tick.
But we've had an injury crisis this year, do we have a boy in the academy who can play centre back for a bit? Nah. Gotta get one of those on loan from Southampton.
"Can't recall having so many youngsters on loan"? Really? The best one from last summer, Tuck, is playing for Enfield. We've never had a problem loaning players into Conference South. We're all super excited about Emmerson Sutton (I am too), but his loan was at Hanwell Town. The only one we've got on any sort of a proper loan is Charlie Kelman.
Totally, hands up, accept these things take time, and I've liked a lot of what they've said and done there so far.
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Sorry, I didn't mean those out on loan were necessarily going to make it, but by moving them out it created space for those in the younger ages to play at DS level. I think we may have had a couple of 15/16yo playing, which is great. We can't deny that is a good thing.
If I knew that Nourry was going to be here for the next 10 years I would chose him over the manager. The things being implemented by the club (including the traing ground) takes years to bear fruit and we have to start sometime. We can't keep resetting every 2 seasons. I don't trust Nourry, but nor do I trust a manager that walks out after 18 months at every job.
Probably time to shake hands and part ways with MC if the relationship is broken.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 06:38 - Apr 25 with 1676 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:30 - Apr 24 by Northernr
I get what you're saying, I think there were some untouchables who needed to be shifted and he has (Tailor), I think it was ridiculous you had Pedder/Hamalainen/Shodipo/Owens types hanging round into their 20s just in case and he's sorted that/ I like what he said about development squad being 17-18 because we want you in the first team 18-19.
All great. Big tick.
But we've had an injury crisis this year, do we have a boy in the academy who can play centre back for a bit? Nah. Gotta get one of those on loan from Southampton.
"Can't recall having so many youngsters on loan"? Really? The best one from last summer, Tuck, is playing for Enfield. We've never had a problem loaning players into Conference South. We're all super excited about Emmerson Sutton (I am too), but his loan was at Hanwell Town. The only one we've got on any sort of a proper loan is Charlie Kelman.
Totally, hands up, accept these things take time, and I've liked a lot of what they've said and done there so far.
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Cooper at Stevenage and Larkeche at Dundee aren't bad.
And then there's Richards at Cambridge, of course
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Marti, stick or twist? on 07:03 - Apr 25 with 1606 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 20:48 - Apr 24 by goodlife
Of course??? Wait a second!
Bodø Glimt vs. Spurs in Europe cup semi next Thursday, the winner, will meet poor ManU in the final. Bodø Glimt beat Lazio in the quarter final.Last year Bodø Glimt beat Rome (Mourinho) 6-2. May be the Norwegian league is not that bad, and championship not that good.
Disclaimer, as a Norwegian I may be slightly biased…
Kom igjen Enga!
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Marti, stick or twist? on 07:22 - Apr 25 with 1537 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 22:30 - Apr 24 by Northernr
I get what you're saying, I think there were some untouchables who needed to be shifted and he has (Tailor), I think it was ridiculous you had Pedder/Hamalainen/Shodipo/Owens types hanging round into their 20s just in case and he's sorted that/ I like what he said about development squad being 17-18 because we want you in the first team 18-19.
All great. Big tick.
But we've had an injury crisis this year, do we have a boy in the academy who can play centre back for a bit? Nah. Gotta get one of those on loan from Southampton.
"Can't recall having so many youngsters on loan"? Really? The best one from last summer, Tuck, is playing for Enfield. We've never had a problem loaning players into Conference South. We're all super excited about Emmerson Sutton (I am too), but his loan was at Hanwell Town. The only one we've got on any sort of a proper loan is Charlie Kelman.
Totally, hands up, accept these things take time, and I've liked a lot of what they've said and done there so far.
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Larkeshe has been doing well in Scotland, or so I've read. Could be ready to be at least back-up for us again?
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Marti, stick or twist? on 07:45 - Apr 25 with 1439 views
I still can't understand why we allowed Larkeche to move out on loan in the first place, given he was 50% of our left backs available. Who was responsible for this cock up. I don't know for sure, others stats people might but it looked to me watching from afar that most goals against came down the left hand side.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 08:14 - Apr 25 with 1278 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 08:06 - Apr 25 by cyprusmel
I still can't understand why we allowed Larkeche to move out on loan in the first place, given he was 50% of our left backs available. Who was responsible for this cock up. I don't know for sure, others stats people might but it looked to me watching from afar that most goals against came down the left hand side.
Well it’s probably been better for him to get game time in Scotland. Despite the injuries, Paal has been fit most of the season, so his game time here would have been limited. Also, I’m not convinced he’s good enough for Championship but happy to be proved wrong.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 08:28 - Apr 25 with 1203 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 08:06 - Apr 25 by cyprusmel
I still can't understand why we allowed Larkeche to move out on loan in the first place, given he was 50% of our left backs available. Who was responsible for this cock up. I don't know for sure, others stats people might but it looked to me watching from afar that most goals against came down the left hand side.
Because just like Kelman he probably needs 50 + games of senior competitive football to develop. We all thought the Kelman extension last year was a bit strange, and its turned out to be master stroke.
As disappointed as I will be to lose Marti if you had asked me last summer would he be leading us in the 25/26 I would have said no (not unless we had gotten promoted somehow). So it's no surprise he was always going to be poached or sacked. I always thought the reason Dunne had not signed was because he was waiting to see whether Marti was staying or not and I suspect will end up wherever Marti is, The fact he is incredibly likeable and a very good communicator makes it much harder, and tbh its not really in anyones interests to burn the house down on the way out. Suggestions are that he is top of the wanted list for West Brom
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Marti, stick or twist? on 08:29 - Apr 25 with 1200 views
I said a few times in his earlier appearances that Larkeche looked ultimately like a player who's career would benefit from him doing a Gareth Bale and moving into more attacking positions rather than left back. Thought he showed a lot of attacking potential, just didn't see anything defensively as above. But really based on a tiny sample size, would be fascinated to see how that side of his game has come on in Scotland
So from reading all this we thank Ramsey for the DS semi final next week? Wondering if Kolli, Morgan can play? For a second time I listened to Illias pod cast which was just after the Swansea game so as recent as you can get. He knows more than anyone on this thread, which I believe is more than half the problem with lack of access but we have to accept it for now. One of the reasons he signed another contract is because he thinks under this leadership, which he says is Marti and Christian, the club finally has a plan and direction and the players to make that a reality. I trust him over The Sun tbh and I could be wrong, some of us are bound to be on this time will tell. I know I will get shot down, but in my banking career I came across more than one 20 something running successfully businesses much larger than QPR ( we are not a big business in the scheme). I don’t know him personally but if he is anything like the ones I knew he won’t be carrying the baggage of a Hoos etc because of his age. The others were entrepreneurs which Nourry isn’t but he knows the model he wants to follow. That puts him above the short termism we are used to, I know I said this before but the DeSpuza guy ( Head of Methodology) is part of it and confirms the plan. I know some here will be upset they didn’t get that interview but these 2 giuys are surely the definition of ITK.
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Marti, stick or twist? on 09:01 - Apr 25 with 1046 views
Marti, stick or twist? on 08:28 - Apr 25 by baz_qpr
Because just like Kelman he probably needs 50 + games of senior competitive football to develop. We all thought the Kelman extension last year was a bit strange, and its turned out to be master stroke.
As disappointed as I will be to lose Marti if you had asked me last summer would he be leading us in the 25/26 I would have said no (not unless we had gotten promoted somehow). So it's no surprise he was always going to be poached or sacked. I always thought the reason Dunne had not signed was because he was waiting to see whether Marti was staying or not and I suspect will end up wherever Marti is, The fact he is incredibly likeable and a very good communicator makes it much harder, and tbh its not really in anyones interests to burn the house down on the way out. Suggestions are that he is top of the wanted list for West Brom
West Brom (like Norwich) not a bed of roses, though, in terms of finances, trajectory and ownership IMHO. Still hoping Marti will consider this - grass rarely ever greener...
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