| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 09:54 - Apr 26 with 3279 views | TalkingSutty |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 09:17 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
Yep, there’s been some totally boring and tiresome football over the last couple of years.
Having made that coffee I can say that BBM was far worse because of his inability to find a structure that meant that decent squad stayed up. That was poor management because it’s about getting results and the league table doesn’t lie. |
Yes, it doesn't work at a higher level neither. The league table doesn't lie but i still maintain that we've underperformed this season in many games. Frustration has been the over riding emotion at the end of too many games this season, our own worst enemy. Today should be a dead simple team talk for the manager and it's should focus on one thing..finishing 4th in the league, not finishing in a play off spot. Today is a massive opportunity to win back the support of the fan but instead he's talking about Hartlepools financial clout, which they haven't got. Anyway, hopefully we will see one of the better performances today. [Post edited 26 Apr 9:56]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:22 - Apr 26 with 3170 views | Nerazzurri |
Been a good read this, I’m where fitzochris is at. When I read things about Leeds potentially sacking the manager who has just got them promoted breaking all sorts of club records in the process I just can’t get my head around it. I’ve read the Leeds forum & there is talk that they are boring, despite having scored 25 goals more than every other team in the division & completely dominating.
Where has the joy gone? I really believe there’s a crisis in football in this country now, crowds up & down the country just don’t like the game anymore. It’s more organised, less chaotic & to some degree that makes it less exciting.
The football is now undoubtedly better technically than it was 20 years ago but I’m not sure it’s what English fans enjoy watching & I think that is ultimately the real issue. McNulty or some other manager, I just don’t think a lot of people will find what they are looking for anymore. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:35 - Apr 26 with 3112 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:22 - Apr 26 by Nerazzurri |
Been a good read this, I’m where fitzochris is at. When I read things about Leeds potentially sacking the manager who has just got them promoted breaking all sorts of club records in the process I just can’t get my head around it. I’ve read the Leeds forum & there is talk that they are boring, despite having scored 25 goals more than every other team in the division & completely dominating.
Where has the joy gone? I really believe there’s a crisis in football in this country now, crowds up & down the country just don’t like the game anymore. It’s more organised, less chaotic & to some degree that makes it less exciting.
The football is now undoubtedly better technically than it was 20 years ago but I’m not sure it’s what English fans enjoy watching & I think that is ultimately the real issue. McNulty or some other manager, I just don’t think a lot of people will find what they are looking for anymore. |
A post that perfectly explains how I feel watching Dale and football in general.
We all want what we once had. Getting old was much better in the old days. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:54 - Apr 26 with 3056 views | EllGazzell |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 08:17 - Apr 26 by blackdogblue |
I can’t really comment on matters on the pitch as it’s no secret I have stopped going.
Someone will correct me if I’m wrong here but something in the back of my mind says we have lost our Acadamy status / funding?
Getting back into the league would allow more talent to rise and maybe another Luke or Craig Dawson for example? Transfer fees for talented youngsters goes a long way towards sustainability.
Yes, I was disappointed we lost in the semi final but would rather go to Wembley and see the Dale promoted than a jolly day out for a Mickey Mouse cup. |
Nail on the head...
At this current, precarious, point of the club's history what really matters is points on the board and getting back into the league (4).
Fans through the gates will never sustain the club long term. As we have seen from our most successful period of history, the academy and player development leading to sales are the key. The Brighton model being the pinnacle example of what we were doing under Hill. Reputation snowballs and we were renound as a "place to go " for young talent.
Get back into the league, get the academy back and get the network/channels/filters up and running again, that is above everything else.
As has been described by Jim several times, they have gone into every last detail (switching 2nd half ends for example) in an effort to squeeze as much advantage as possible; Fitz has highlighted stats that this method has borne rewards.
The football is often terrible to watch, I'm feeling in danger of social services feeling my collar for forcing my boy to watch; but needs must currently, and our need is promotion. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:55 - Apr 26 with 3051 views | Horton_Mouse |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:35 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
A post that perfectly explains how I feel watching Dale and football in general.
We all want what we once had. Getting old was much better in the old days. |
Make football more exciting - simply do away with points for wins and draws and give a point for every goal scored. |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:01 - Apr 26 with 3025 views | D_Alien |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 09:02 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
The criticism about how we have played this season is justified, I said exactly that. I don’t dispute how fans feel and can appreciate why, because I share a lot of those feelings after games and says so. That’s why I find it interesting talking to you and other fans for your perspectives of being at games, it offers time to reflect on what I see.
The negative hyperbole is when it’s claimed to be the “worst ever” etc.
The mention of Parkin was used to illustrate how times have changed as a Dale fan, which you summed up perfectly when you said the landscape and society have also changed. Because his era and the reigns of other managers contained football that was just as bad if not worse than now. (For what it’s worth I believe Parkin was a better Dale manager than McNulty if we are talking about direct comparisons)
The stats provided and associated opinions about previous eras is exactly what football fans do, as you say. I really enjoy talking about those times! I found them a much better time to be a football fan. But at the same time I can be honest enough to admit we watched a lot of rubbish back then. I wouldn’t use that to defend McNulty or how we play now though, because the shortcomings are obvious to all.
But when those previous eras are used as some sort of evidence to support the view that what we watch now is that bad, it is not the case. We’ve had it a lot worse as Dale fans in my opinion and also a lot better. But that’s the life of a football fan.
And without wanting to start it all up again… we haven’t always had a priority to attack in the past. Thats the hyperbole. Listing every Dale side who haven’t is not something I want to do before making a coffee! |
I'd simply point out there's a difference - a gulf in fact - between watching us when we were rubbish and being bored to death
There was a kind of honourable sense of "yeah, we're crap but one day we might come good"
Watching under the current regime offers little prospect except that even should we reach the EFL it would feel joyless. That's a terrible indictment but it's true
Edit: nor is it "but that's football these days". Things can change, systems abandoned, others brought forward [Post edited 26 Apr 11:08]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:03 - Apr 26 with 3016 views | TalkingSutty |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 10:22 - Apr 26 by Nerazzurri |
Been a good read this, I’m where fitzochris is at. When I read things about Leeds potentially sacking the manager who has just got them promoted breaking all sorts of club records in the process I just can’t get my head around it. I’ve read the Leeds forum & there is talk that they are boring, despite having scored 25 goals more than every other team in the division & completely dominating.
Where has the joy gone? I really believe there’s a crisis in football in this country now, crowds up & down the country just don’t like the game anymore. It’s more organised, less chaotic & to some degree that makes it less exciting.
The football is now undoubtedly better technically than it was 20 years ago but I’m not sure it’s what English fans enjoy watching & I think that is ultimately the real issue. McNulty or some other manager, I just don’t think a lot of people will find what they are looking for anymore. |
Thought provoking and you could very well be right. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:57 - Apr 26 with 2859 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:01 - Apr 26 by D_Alien |
I'd simply point out there's a difference - a gulf in fact - between watching us when we were rubbish and being bored to death
There was a kind of honourable sense of "yeah, we're crap but one day we might come good"
Watching under the current regime offers little prospect except that even should we reach the EFL it would feel joyless. That's a terrible indictment but it's true
Edit: nor is it "but that's football these days". Things can change, systems abandoned, others brought forward [Post edited 26 Apr 11:08]
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It may well be true for you and others, that’s where it’s all about opinions. I saw the joy at Altrincham last week. If we reached the League again it’d be very surprising if there wasn’t similar scenes multiplied by the importance.
I’ve been bored plenty of times, I’ve also witnessed some good games and good performances. That may be the truth for others too. Whether it’s enough is up to individuals.
Reflecting on the past, there’s enough in this thread which provides info on what we saw and how perceptions can be right/wrong. Will add that I was totally bored to death watching Barrow’s teams for three years and didn’t miss a game, I can’t remember many times thinking we might come good. With the current side I don’t need to think it, because we have come good on numerous occasions.
It’s the not knowing what we’ll get that frustrates the most. Because when we are good it’s been a decent watch, and when we aren’t it really is bloody boring. Edit to add: both these are on the manager. He could and should be doing better. [Post edited 26 Apr 12:01]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:58 - Apr 26 with 2859 views | dingdangblue |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 23:32 - Apr 25 by Sandyman |
You can argue the toss about past and present Dale teams, stats, xG, possession percentages forever. Solves nowt today.
The 2024/25 team has got to a play off position (so far). Ace. One wonders why how so given the amount of away draws conceded from winning positions. But we are currently there. We've seen a team that can batter most in this league on their day. We've seen a team that can be totally boring and ineffectual too often with a manager revelling in possession obsession and tippy tappy tripe which is driving regulars away. We've seen unimaginative tactics and a manager who can't wait to see us as "poor little Rochdale" compared to the assumed "clout" of others, including tomorrow's opponents who are going through an ownership crisis of their own. We've seen a manager whose side has been great in defence at times.
It's all very confusing. The one worry I have for tomorrow and upcoming games is lack of nerve / bottle. Our live home televised games in the NL have been weak. Larger attendances v Spennymoor and last Saturday were greeted with weak performances. Oldham at home, we gave up after 15 minutes. Hartlepool is an important game - do we have the "bottle" to fight for a play off place and home draw? We've lacked it far too often this season. Is this a reflection of a weak manager?
We'll know by teatime tomorrow how the 2025 team deals with the pressure. [Post edited 25 Apr 23:39]
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And we dont need a win. Barrett mentioned in his pre match interview a point would do ( even though he claimed they'd be going all out for the win). Lets see at 3.00. A 3-0 win like the away game would do wonders for the mood. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:06 - Apr 26 with 2818 views | D_Alien |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:57 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
It may well be true for you and others, that’s where it’s all about opinions. I saw the joy at Altrincham last week. If we reached the League again it’d be very surprising if there wasn’t similar scenes multiplied by the importance.
I’ve been bored plenty of times, I’ve also witnessed some good games and good performances. That may be the truth for others too. Whether it’s enough is up to individuals.
Reflecting on the past, there’s enough in this thread which provides info on what we saw and how perceptions can be right/wrong. Will add that I was totally bored to death watching Barrow’s teams for three years and didn’t miss a game, I can’t remember many times thinking we might come good. With the current side I don’t need to think it, because we have come good on numerous occasions.
It’s the not knowing what we’ll get that frustrates the most. Because when we are good it’s been a decent watch, and when we aren’t it really is bloody boring. Edit to add: both these are on the manager. He could and should be doing better. [Post edited 26 Apr 12:01]
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I was never bored watching Dale, even under Barrow - lots of others things, but being so bad was almost entertaining in itself (in a "Dale" kind of way)
"Coming good" meant returning crowds (from a very low level). We're not coming good... | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:16 - Apr 26 with 2778 views | isitme |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:58 - Apr 26 by dingdangblue |
And we dont need a win. Barrett mentioned in his pre match interview a point would do ( even though he claimed they'd be going all out for the win). Lets see at 3.00. A 3-0 win like the away game would do wonders for the mood. |
Three wins in a week guarantees fourth place, a home play off game and potentially an easier away play off game. Surely that should be the target? Promotion would bring a pay rise for Jim and the playing staff. |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:21 - Apr 26 with 2734 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:06 - Apr 26 by D_Alien |
I was never bored watching Dale, even under Barrow - lots of others things, but being so bad was almost entertaining in itself (in a "Dale" kind of way)
"Coming good" meant returning crowds (from a very low level). We're not coming good... |
Exactly. You weren’t, I was. Plenty of others were too and crowds plummeted. All about individual tolerance levels at any one time. Nerazzurri’s post and TS’s point about changes in society feed into this I believe.
I’m not totally sure what the current figures are, but I think there was a thread on here recently that indicated crowds are around the same level this season, so no the crowds aren’t growing and that needs addressing by the team on and off the pitch. If that is your view on “coming good” it makes sense. I was looking at a purely footballing perspective and the quality of performances we’ve seen across the season when we have come good on numerous occasions after plenty of tiresome performances.
If people want that “non boring” side of things to be every week, I appreciate why crowds aren’t growing. The only consistent thing is our inconsistency. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:23 - Apr 26 with 2725 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:16 - Apr 26 by isitme |
Three wins in a week guarantees fourth place, a home play off game and potentially an easier away play off game. Surely that should be the target? Promotion would bring a pay rise for Jim and the playing staff. |
Definitely. Win all three and we go into the playoffs with momentum. The worry is the players will worry. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:27 - Apr 26 with 2701 views | isitme |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:23 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
Definitely. Win all three and we go into the playoffs with momentum. The worry is the players will worry. |
Then that is a problem with mindset. Surely they should have confidence in their ability, especially when playing against teams with nothing to play for. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:30 - Apr 26 with 2678 views | _Windydale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 11:03 - Apr 26 by TalkingSutty |
Thought provoking and you could very well be right. |
I've expected we are going to get these dull games while Jim builds for the future and patient for him to get better players in.
I'll take 5th all day long, with this style of play. Playing this possession style I get it, and been entertained in lots of games this season. when were doing well. Playing with sharpness its great, however, when not - its down right garbage to watch.
For me and for Mcnultys style to work, we need sharp dudes on the pitch. no sloppyness, all players having a bit skill, playing on bobbly national league pitches. I know these type of players aren't cheap, so maybe he should take a chance on more vastly experienced players, that drop down the leagues as they have maybe injury risks and become cheaper to buy, its a gamble but with a bigger squad we could support this tactic.
Also hindering our progress to being even better, to cope with a change of play, a good tough guy, a target man with ball control. We've seen how Jay bird turned our season round when he played.
Still a work in progress but improving year on year in this division. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:36 - Apr 26 with 2631 views | TVOS1907 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:21 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
Exactly. You weren’t, I was. Plenty of others were too and crowds plummeted. All about individual tolerance levels at any one time. Nerazzurri’s post and TS’s point about changes in society feed into this I believe.
I’m not totally sure what the current figures are, but I think there was a thread on here recently that indicated crowds are around the same level this season, so no the crowds aren’t growing and that needs addressing by the team on and off the pitch. If that is your view on “coming good” it makes sense. I was looking at a purely footballing perspective and the quality of performances we’ve seen across the season when we have come good on numerous occasions after plenty of tiresome performances.
If people want that “non boring” side of things to be every week, I appreciate why crowds aren’t growing. The only consistent thing is our inconsistency. |
Taking out away fans, we are currently averaging 2229 home fans in the league this season, compared to 2392 last season, so a 6.9% drop.
However, before anyone mentions 'selective statistics', bear in mind that we have played a significantly higher number of midweek games, which affects attendance, we lost our festive home fixture v Altrincham (pitch) and our three best crowd pullers (Oldham, Halifax and York) were all on Tuesdays.
We had a lower average number of home fans in 2021/22 and remarkably, in the 2013/14 promotion season, we averaged only 265 more home fans than this campaign (11.5 per game).
Regarding Barrow, in his final two seasons, the average number of home fans was 1557 and 1675 (we didn't record away fans before then), while in Parkin's first season it was 2333. [Post edited 26 Apr 12:38]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 13:18 - Apr 26 with 2500 views | pioneer |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:36 - Apr 26 by TVOS1907 |
Taking out away fans, we are currently averaging 2229 home fans in the league this season, compared to 2392 last season, so a 6.9% drop.
However, before anyone mentions 'selective statistics', bear in mind that we have played a significantly higher number of midweek games, which affects attendance, we lost our festive home fixture v Altrincham (pitch) and our three best crowd pullers (Oldham, Halifax and York) were all on Tuesdays.
We had a lower average number of home fans in 2021/22 and remarkably, in the 2013/14 promotion season, we averaged only 265 more home fans than this campaign (11.5 per game).
Regarding Barrow, in his final two seasons, the average number of home fans was 1557 and 1675 (we didn't record away fans before then), while in Parkin's first season it was 2333. [Post edited 26 Apr 12:38]
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Do we know how many season tickets we sold this year? Thats a captive audience who have committed whatever the performances. Looking at the number of walk ups would be a test of how things have been affected by performances. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 13:28 - Apr 26 with 2460 views | TVOS1907 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 13:18 - Apr 26 by pioneer |
Do we know how many season tickets we sold this year? Thats a captive audience who have committed whatever the performances. Looking at the number of walk ups would be a test of how things have been affected by performances. |
I don't know, but it might be on a website story somewhere.
Surely you would need the same figures for every other season as well to make any meaningful comparisons.
And as mentioned, the high number of Tuesday games this season (8 in the league, the second-highest ever) will also have an effect on some folks' ability to attend. [Post edited 26 Apr 13:31]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 13:54 - Apr 26 with 2388 views | dingdangblue |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:27 - Apr 26 by isitme |
Then that is a problem with mindset. Surely they should have confidence in their ability, especially when playing against teams with nothing to play for. |
Which makes McNulty's post match Fylde comments even more baffling. Bigging up Hartlepool to be some sort of big hitters in the division. Said they had clout and an EFL squad? I'm sure we hammered them 3-0 at their place and they are currently mid table with their season already over. We should be busting a gut to beat them from the off today. Get it over by half time if possible. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:03 - Apr 26 with 2338 views | dingdangblue |
Good news. Bird is back.
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:03 - Apr 26 with 2340 views | EllDale |
Jay Bird is back and on the bench. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:09 - Apr 26 with 2314 views | 442Dale |
Barlow in midfield it seems. I reckon he can do that role with his ability and willingness to battle. Not sure on Ayinde’s inclusion but he has a lot to prove so we’ll see.
Bird’s inclusion has seen an immediate lift amongst fans. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:15 - Apr 26 with 2268 views | Dale_4_Life |
Come on Dale…..
Massive game and a chance to keep tabs on 4th place. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:24 - Apr 26 with 2224 views | jonahwhereru |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:09 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
Barlow in midfield it seems. I reckon he can do that role with his ability and willingness to battle. Not sure on Ayinde’s inclusion but he has a lot to prove so we’ll see.
Bird’s inclusion has seen an immediate lift amongst fans. |
Unless Edwards is knacked and rested I’m not sure how he isn’t picked over Ayinde, who has shown flashes but to me he’s best performances were at Ebbsfleet and Worthing. Two of the poorer sides we have faced. His stock is declining in my eyes. Come on lad stick it to me and have your best game in a Dale shirt.
We can win this, if we turn up with intent.
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 15:26 - Apr 26 with 2022 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:09 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
Barlow in midfield it seems. I reckon he can do that role with his ability and willingness to battle. Not sure on Ayinde’s inclusion but he has a lot to prove so we’ll see.
Bird’s inclusion has seen an immediate lift amongst fans. |
Which Ayinde has. Admitting when you’re possibly wrong isn’t always too bad.
It’s only a quarter of a game, but what a great watch this has been. Both sides. | |
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