| Released list on 18:16 - May 28 with 3551 views | numptydumpty |
| Released list on 14:22 - May 28 by simmo |
What a load of absolute fckin nonsense that statement is. The bullshit communication strategy persists and continues to feel more and more counter productive to us building something as a collective. Completely in the dark regarding the manager, coaching, backroom staff and player situations - and for what purpose? Where's the competitive advantage in any of this? |
I can't see any at all now
I was thinking along the lines that this wasn't absolutely necessary to give us information ahead of time but now I have completely changed my mind and agree with the majority.
The point of delaying this information is what exactly ??
I originally thought that perhaps it helped with negotiations on fees but does it, if so the club really do need to give reasons why they are doing this.
I have to agree it is a bad PR exercise now as it treats fans with contempt
Fan Engagement at a club is key. We are the people that make this club who it is. In a way we are all the shareholders ie invested interests in the fortunes of QPR.
At the start they said there would be fan engagement. There has only been one fans forum and that was just to Clive and other forums , podcasters, fanzine publishers etc so I understand.
It does smack of secrecy for a reason to cover things up.......
It actually puts me off following us whilst this nonsense persists. I wont.but it sows seeds of distrust !!!
The club need be aware of this. [Post edited 28 May 18:23]
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| Released list on 18:36 - May 28 with 3428 views | dmm |
| Released list on 17:30 - May 28 by bosh67 |
I believe we may be stuck in this with hjm for another 2 years. I believe we somehow gave him a 4 year contract. |
I'm pleased to tell you Richards' contract expires in the summer of 2026. |  | | |
| Released list on 18:58 - May 28 with 3320 views | mart_Goblin |
| Released list on 18:16 - May 28 by numptydumpty |
I can't see any at all now
I was thinking along the lines that this wasn't absolutely necessary to give us information ahead of time but now I have completely changed my mind and agree with the majority.
The point of delaying this information is what exactly ??
I originally thought that perhaps it helped with negotiations on fees but does it, if so the club really do need to give reasons why they are doing this.
I have to agree it is a bad PR exercise now as it treats fans with contempt
Fan Engagement at a club is key. We are the people that make this club who it is. In a way we are all the shareholders ie invested interests in the fortunes of QPR.
At the start they said there would be fan engagement. There has only been one fans forum and that was just to Clive and other forums , podcasters, fanzine publishers etc so I understand.
It does smack of secrecy for a reason to cover things up.......
It actually puts me off following us whilst this nonsense persists. I wont.but it sows seeds of distrust !!!
The club need be aware of this. [Post edited 28 May 18:23]
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Yep agree with a lot of that and with Simmo too.
What we are getting is yet again someone so eager to have control over everything we know so it controls the fans narrative .
We can throw questions and theories into the void but thats all they are and I think CN can cope with that.
It’s a childish oneupmanship that we saw putting the head coach on gardening leave . How’s that going by the way ?
It just leaves so many questions not answered .
Who knows, we may be close to announcing a new yes man/ head coach …but I just don’t think we are. Is that the issue once interviews start?
Have they started at all?
I just don’t think we are still ‘talking’ to these players.
Especially not all of them .
Are we waiting for the new head coach to make decisions on this list of nowhere men or are we making it look like the new head coach has a say at all by delaying news?
If we are still talking to Fox, Andersen etc then what does that say about our budget this summer to actually bring players in to enhance this lopsided , goal shy, injury prone squad?
Are we trying to squeeze them down to pultry wages as squad players?
And there you go .
Questions and unproven theories and nothing as fact and that’s how our CEO enjoys it.
As has been said by some of the more switched on people on here, ‘they’ are playing games with what we hold dearest .
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| Released list on 19:21 - May 28 with 3225 views | nix |
| Released list on 17:59 - May 28 by QPROslo |
Colback had the best pass completion rate of the whole squad last season if I remember right. He looked the midfielder most capable of getting us moving the ball through midfield with quick, angled forward, short give/take passing as well. As he did the season before that imo. I wouldn't be letting him go without having a decent replacement if he doesn't cost too much, but then that goes for most of our players. |
That is just one stat. Most of his passes were backwards to the CDs. He didn't bring the ball up the pitch, either through passing or dribbling. Have you looked at his overall Sofascore
stats? Only two players worse than him in our squad, Saito did almost double the number of tackles per match. Saito! He created zero big chances. Saito achieved double the number of ground duels per match. He scored one goal all season. His PPG compared with similar players worse.
If he was a young, cheap player this would be okay . But he was expensive and supposed to bring something extra to the team. Instead he petulantly gets himself booked and even sent for dissent. Not for me. |  | | |
| Released list on 20:11 - May 28 with 3071 views | lassel |
I suspect the slow release of the list was in part because they would’ve hoped to have locked in a couple of the ‘under discussion’ players but none will be in any rush to sign up. Had Sheff gone up they might’ve been able to get Dunne to quickly agree a deal but now I’ve no doubt he’ll take his time too. |  | | |
| Released list on 20:36 - May 28 with 2991 views | Match82 |
| Released list on 18:58 - May 28 by mart_Goblin |
Yep agree with a lot of that and with Simmo too.
What we are getting is yet again someone so eager to have control over everything we know so it controls the fans narrative .
We can throw questions and theories into the void but thats all they are and I think CN can cope with that.
It’s a childish oneupmanship that we saw putting the head coach on gardening leave . How’s that going by the way ?
It just leaves so many questions not answered .
Who knows, we may be close to announcing a new yes man/ head coach …but I just don’t think we are. Is that the issue once interviews start?
Have they started at all?
I just don’t think we are still ‘talking’ to these players.
Especially not all of them .
Are we waiting for the new head coach to make decisions on this list of nowhere men or are we making it look like the new head coach has a say at all by delaying news?
If we are still talking to Fox, Andersen etc then what does that say about our budget this summer to actually bring players in to enhance this lopsided , goal shy, injury prone squad?
Are we trying to squeeze them down to pultry wages as squad players?
And there you go .
Questions and unproven theories and nothing as fact and that’s how our CEO enjoys it.
As has been said by some of the more switched on people on here, ‘they’ are playing games with what we hold dearest .
And we sit back and watch ….for now . |
Let's not forget, how many potential managers are looking at the way we've treated Marti and reconsider coming here - or set their price higher to do so. Amateur hour. |  | | |
| Released list on 20:38 - May 28 with 2983 views | kensalriser |
| Released list on 15:00 - May 28 by lassel |
At the risk of being Debbie downer yet again, Saito is owned by CFG. They were never going to let his contract expire as they bought him initially to sell for a profit down the line. We had an agreed *purchase* price, based upon certain conditions as they have an option to extend his deal which they’ll take and look to sell him elsewhere this summer. |
This one again.
What's your source? Taking into account that third party ownership of players is banned. Or is it simply that Lommel have an option? |  |
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| Released list on 22:30 - May 28 with 2746 views | baz_qpr |
The way I read it is that Dunne has a contract offer on the table but we are a back plan should Sheff Utd not agree a deal.
Colback, Anderson and Fox will be offered much less as now bit part players but both sides unlikely to agree until manager in situ. If we had offered anything like they were on (or even offered) all 3 I'm sure would have bit our hands off |  | | |
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| Released list on 22:42 - May 28 with 2701 views | QPR_Hibs |
| Released list on 20:38 - May 28 by kensalriser |
This one again.
What's your source? Taking into account that third party ownership of players is banned. Or is it simply that Lommel have an option? |
Apologies if this is already well known but I didn't know any of this stuff before.
I have just done a bit of an internet search on this and have found out that:
Yes - third party ownership is banned by UEFA.
Yes - Lommel is one of the 13 football clubs owned and controlled by CFG.
Apparently Belgium has one of the lowest qualification ratings for getting a work permit for a non-EU player, so perhaps that is why Saito ended up at Lommel?
There is a suggestion that some(most?) players signing for a CFG team aspire to end up at Manchester City eventually and, perhaps, that is why they re-sign when their contract expires. [Post edited 28 May 22:43]
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| Released list on 09:58 - May 29 with 2334 views | Blue_Castello |
There's no question in my mind that we need to keep Jimmy but realistically if we had a budget and some FFP headroom we would be releasing the rest.
Last season we had far too many injuries and giving extensions to people who will inevitably break down and miss a number of games is a big risk. We've already got the gamble of JCS and Cook who when fit are very good but that's the problem when fit, I say that with Cooky because everything I've read about his type of injury is not good.
There's an argument for Colback and Fox as squad players but that's using up a lot of budget where we may well find some younger players with better fitness, it's a bit of a gamble either way I just wish we still had a Manager to make the decision because we don't have a Director of Football. [Post edited 29 May 10:00]
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| Released list on 10:42 - May 29 with 2133 views | stantheman10 |
| Released list on 22:42 - May 28 by QPR_Hibs |
Apologies if this is already well known but I didn't know any of this stuff before.
I have just done a bit of an internet search on this and have found out that:
Yes - third party ownership is banned by UEFA.
Yes - Lommel is one of the 13 football clubs owned and controlled by CFG.
Apparently Belgium has one of the lowest qualification ratings for getting a work permit for a non-EU player, so perhaps that is why Saito ended up at Lommel?
There is a suggestion that some(most?) players signing for a CFG team aspire to end up at Manchester City eventually and, perhaps, that is why they re-sign when their contract expires. [Post edited 28 May 22:43]
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| Released list on 11:12 - May 29 with 1994 views | TheChef |
| Released list on 10:42 - May 29 by stantheman10 |
According to Transfermarkt website Saito's contract at Lommel expires on 30-6-25 |
I think most players' contracts expire on 30th June.
So don't expect too much to happen until then. |  |
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| Released list on 11:41 - May 29 with 1902 views | stantheman10 |
| Released list on 11:12 - May 29 by TheChef |
I think most players' contracts expire on 30th June.
So don't expect too much to happen until then. |
I do know that but there was contention about who owns Saito! | | | |
| Released list on 11:50 - May 29 with 1851 views | Blue_Castello |
| Released list on 11:12 - May 29 by TheChef |
I think most players' contracts expire on 30th June.
So don't expect too much to happen until then. |
Surely a lot of transfers will happen in June and then be rubber stamped on the 1st July 2025 so that they can start pre season training with their new club. | | | |
| Released list on 12:04 - May 29 with 1766 views | DWQPR |
Looking at the list I would say that keeping Colback is a must. I’ve always liked him as a player, good passer, good shot, gets in the face of the opposition, very much like Shaun Derry who let’s face it didn’t let himself down at all in the Prem with us when well into his 30’s. Only thing that Colback needs to do is not to be a complete arsé at times.
Andersen was a big surprise for me last season. Looked totally unfit for the majority and therefore I’d say goodbye.
Fox. Don’t like, slow, poor decision maker (Portsmouth at home), teams target playing behind him every time. Get rid.
And now to Dunne. My feeling is that if he was leaving, especially if it was to Sheff Utd then there surely would have been by now an announcement from his new club of an agreement to sign from 1/7. There hasn’t been at all. And given it has been announced that Paal is offski I very much suspect that Dunne wants to stay at the club and given the right deal will sign. Saying that watch an announcement happen by late today!!!😂 | |
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| Released list on 12:07 - May 29 with 1724 views | hantssi |
| Released list on 20:36 - May 28 by Match82 |
Let's not forget, how many potential managers are looking at the way we've treated Marti and reconsider coming here - or set their price higher to do so. Amateur hour. |
Don’t think it’ll be a problem, doesn’t seem to effect Watford and the number of managers they go through!! | | | |
| Released list on 12:50 - May 29 with 1535 views | LazyFan |
| Released list on 15:08 - May 28 by nix |
Colback is one of our worst performers - look at the stats for our squad on Sofascore. He also has a worse PPG compared to Varane, Field or Morgan for matches where they played at least 30 minutes. He's slow, has terrible discipline and awful defending our box. Mystifying why so many like him. Unless he's on hugely reduced wages then bin. |
To be fair to Colback, he should only play in a team where he can stay back. If he has to go box to box, then he will be caught out as he's not quick enough anymore.
Therefore, in those situations, his stats will look bad, but he still has the skill and tactical awareness.
However, he's not strong enough, he can no longer go box-to-box (especially when we have Madsen in the team), he gets too many stupid yellows, and now his goals and assists are almost at zero. He's done.
We should not renew him, and the same with Andersen.
Fox is only worth a look if he will be on terrible wages, as at least he can sometimes fill in as a squad player if we get lots of injuries at LB or CB (which we often seem to have). Also, good for throwing on when defending a lead. He is too slow for LB anymore, really, but needs must. If he won't take terrible wages, then do not renew either, which is probably what will happen.
I have a sneaking suspicion that these players are still being considered as backups for QPR in case the summer window looks unfavourable, much like QPR is Dunne's backup if he does not secure his big move. Willock did the same to QPR last summer; it didn't end well for him, so I suspect Dunne will be a lot cleverer than Willock and go to an ex-Premier League club.
Additionally, the notion that some players may not sign until the new manager is in place likely only affects Dunne. As the older players will sign if the money is right for them. Cook took up his option as an example; if the money is right, they will do it. I think Frey is different as QPR exercised the option on him, but I could be wrong.
Think if QPR avoid renewing Colback, for the same money, we can get Hayden on loan for a year, and possibly, if he's still good, secure him after that loan, as that's the final year of his golden Newcastle contract. Then Hayden can bring Varane, Tuck and others up to speed. Hayden showed he can still cut it with Pompy, he even carried Dozzy enough to wangle a new contract out of them.
Those three moving out frees up a lot of wages for QPR. |  |
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| Released list on 12:56 - May 29 with 1501 views | LazyFan |
| Released list on 17:23 - May 28 by nick_hammersmith |
Realistically, if you were Taylor would you take an early pay off?
He could turn up to training and get paid every week for 12 months. Or, get paid 6 months money now and become a free agent.
*durations are all speculation, as we are not allowed to have the advantage of knowing contract lengths |
Who says he has to turn up to training?
Calf strain, mental issues, a sunny day, it's Christmas, and so on.
This is his last season now, so expect him to turn up to the Dev Squad and start doing a Messi at that level for the whole season. Of course, that will only begin in February, when the window closes and he has to prepare for a new contract.
That's the difference between him and, say, Hayden from Newcastle. For the last two years, Hayen has asked to go on loan and at least play. Of course, Hayden won't move as he's rumoured to be on £50K per week, but at least he wants to play. And he still has a year left on his contract, so Hayden's been trying to play all the time, unlike others who don't seem to want to play ever. | |
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| Released list on 13:43 - May 29 with 1276 views | derbyhoop |
| Released list on 12:04 - May 29 by DWQPR |
Looking at the list I would say that keeping Colback is a must. I’ve always liked him as a player, good passer, good shot, gets in the face of the opposition, very much like Shaun Derry who let’s face it didn’t let himself down at all in the Prem with us when well into his 30’s. Only thing that Colback needs to do is not to be a complete arsé at times.
Andersen was a big surprise for me last season. Looked totally unfit for the majority and therefore I’d say goodbye.
Fox. Don’t like, slow, poor decision maker (Portsmouth at home), teams target playing behind him every time. Get rid.
And now to Dunne. My feeling is that if he was leaving, especially if it was to Sheff Utd then there surely would have been by now an announcement from his new club of an agreement to sign from 1/7. There hasn’t been at all. And given it has been announced that Paal is offski I very much suspect that Dunne wants to stay at the club and given the right deal will sign. Saying that watch an announcement happen by late today!!!😂 |
If it was a PL club in for Dunne, then IMHO, he'd be off like a shot. And who could blame him. If Sheff U come back, the major benefit to JD would be higher wages. Could we match their offer? Unlikely. |  |
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| Released list on 14:14 - May 29 with 1140 views | lassel |
| Released list on 20:38 - May 28 by kensalriser |
This one again.
What's your source? Taking into account that third party ownership of players is banned. Or is it simply that Lommel have an option? |
I mean the source is Lommel themselves who state they’re 99% owned by CFG. Take a look at Lommel’s in and outs of the last few seasons - full of players shuffling between Troyes, NYCFC, Bahia, Man City & Girona who are all CFG clubs. | | | |
| Released list on 14:25 - May 29 with 1069 views | stantheman10 |
| Released list on 14:14 - May 29 by lassel |
I mean the source is Lommel themselves who state they’re 99% owned by CFG. Take a look at Lommel’s in and outs of the last few seasons - full of players shuffling between Troyes, NYCFC, Bahia, Man City & Girona who are all CFG clubs. |
Saito still has to sign a new contract with CFG or Lommel otherwise he's a free agent come 1st July. Maybe he loved it with us so much he's holding out to sign for us. | | | |
| Released list on 16:06 - May 29 with 847 views | kensalriser |
| Released list on 14:14 - May 29 by lassel |
I mean the source is Lommel themselves who state they’re 99% owned by CFG. Take a look at Lommel’s in and outs of the last few seasons - full of players shuffling between Troyes, NYCFC, Bahia, Man City & Girona who are all CFG clubs. |
Right. I'm sure Lommel are owned by CFG and CFG may well like to transfer players between their clubs. But CFG can't own players directly, they have to be contracted to a club and once that contract is up a player will have a choice. | |
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| Released list on 16:42 - May 29 with 716 views | lassel |
| Released list on 16:06 - May 29 by kensalriser |
Right. I'm sure Lommel are owned by CFG and CFG may well like to transfer players between their clubs. But CFG can't own players directly, they have to be contracted to a club and once that contract is up a player will have a choice. |
Which is just semantics. CFG sign the players, decide which club to assign them to and who to sell them to. As with Chelsea and their harem, they don’t let contracts expire unless it’s a total dud. | | | |
| Released list on 16:47 - May 29 with 690 views | dmm |
| Released list on 16:42 - May 29 by lassel |
Which is just semantics. CFG sign the players, decide which club to assign them to and who to sell them to. As with Chelsea and their harem, they don’t let contracts expire unless it’s a total dud. |
Do you know how the no third-party owning players rule applies, or rather does not apply, to CFG? They seem to make a nonsense of this rule. | | | |
| Released list on 17:00 - May 29 with 609 views | aston_hoop |
Just realised there has been nothing on either Lorent Talla or Alex Aoraha on the released lists. Assumed both were out of contract, assumed both would leave. But nothing. So perhaps they signed new deals? Perhaps they have another year? The competitive advantage we get from this information being unavailable is overwhelming. |  |
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