| Manager situation 09:47 - Jun 8 with 47809 views | stainrods_elbow |
MC has been on GL for nearly 6 weeks now - and not a whisper from the club, not even to clarify what they propose to do with him (or he with them)! It's pathetic and unacceptable.
The club also, obviously, needs to be planning its pre-season and recruitment. We're supposed to be operating a professional entity, with buy-in from the fans. Pah!
What will/should happen next?
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| Manager situation on 10:09 - Jun 8 with 7564 views | TeddeRs |
I expect MC's on gardening leave as part of a disciplinary process for having talked to WBA.
Assuming MC is still on gardening leave the club can't start talking about recruiting a new manager publicly because it could prejudice its case against MC and open itself up to a claim of constructive dismissal and substantial compensation.
Not great from a supporter perspective but if not communicating reduces the risk of, say a £0.5m-£1m payout it makes sense. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 10:14 - Jun 8 with 7531 views | Northernr |
| Manager situation on 10:09 - Jun 8 by TeddeRs |
I expect MC's on gardening leave as part of a disciplinary process for having talked to WBA.
Assuming MC is still on gardening leave the club can't start talking about recruiting a new manager publicly because it could prejudice its case against MC and open itself up to a claim of constructive dismissal and substantial compensation.
Not great from a supporter perspective but if not communicating reduces the risk of, say a £0.5m-£1m payout it makes sense. |
Also why that was an obviously bloody stupid idea in the first place. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 10:19 - Jun 8 with 7468 views | sdm1508 |
I was just talking about this with my wife. I guess they can't sort out pre season as the manager would normally have input into this. I am kind of hoping that maybe an appointment is in place and talks behind the scenes about pre season and signings is happening and the everything gets announced all at once. Highly unlikely I know. It is either showing the inexperience of our Director of football or when it's all completed, it will all make sense. I'm thinking the former but hoping the latter | | | |
| Manager situation on 10:56 - Jun 8 with 7296 views | bosh67 |
My own thoughts are that his agent went (or was sent) to talk to WBA but as far as we know it wasn't a direct meeting between Marti and WBA. I fully understand why he was pulled from the line of fire for the final game of the season but the gardening leave feels like there's a lot more to do with an ongoing issue between Marti and Christian than we've ever been told, and that was the final snap in it all?
Let's say if I was the CEO and the whole thing was about the WBA thing I would have taken Marti off that game as we did but not placed him on gardening leave. I would have sat down and sorted out what he wanted to do, considering he had signed a long term agreement and because of the financial implications of that. I would then, post those discussions put out a statement that Marti was staying and it was business as usual or that Marti has indicated that he wishes to move on and we'll be looking for a replacement. That way other clubs wouldn't be in a position of knowing that we'd be effectively paying him to leave. If you make a decision one way or another days after the final game both parties can either put it behind them (and people forget quickly) or you position it as an amicable split. What you don't do is humiliate someone by publicly putting them on gardening leave and placing them for 6 weeks on the naughty step.
It is a complete mess as it stands. There were so many ways to handle it better. |  |
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| Manager situation on 10:58 - Jun 8 with 7270 views | PunteR |
| Manager situation on 10:19 - Jun 8 by sdm1508 |
I was just talking about this with my wife. I guess they can't sort out pre season as the manager would normally have input into this. I am kind of hoping that maybe an appointment is in place and talks behind the scenes about pre season and signings is happening and the everything gets announced all at once. Highly unlikely I know. It is either showing the inexperience of our Director of football or when it's all completed, it will all make sense. I'm thinking the former but hoping the latter |
"Also why that was an obviously bloody stupid idea in the first place." |  |
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| Manager situation on 10:59 - Jun 8 with 7260 views | PunteR |
| Manager situation on 10:56 - Jun 8 by bosh67 |
My own thoughts are that his agent went (or was sent) to talk to WBA but as far as we know it wasn't a direct meeting between Marti and WBA. I fully understand why he was pulled from the line of fire for the final game of the season but the gardening leave feels like there's a lot more to do with an ongoing issue between Marti and Christian than we've ever been told, and that was the final snap in it all?
Let's say if I was the CEO and the whole thing was about the WBA thing I would have taken Marti off that game as we did but not placed him on gardening leave. I would have sat down and sorted out what he wanted to do, considering he had signed a long term agreement and because of the financial implications of that. I would then, post those discussions put out a statement that Marti was staying and it was business as usual or that Marti has indicated that he wishes to move on and we'll be looking for a replacement. That way other clubs wouldn't be in a position of knowing that we'd be effectively paying him to leave. If you make a decision one way or another days after the final game both parties can either put it behind them (and people forget quickly) or you position it as an amicable split. What you don't do is humiliate someone by publicly putting them on gardening leave and placing them for 6 weeks on the naughty step.
It is a complete mess as it stands. There were so many ways to handle it better. |
"Also why that was an obviously bloody stupid idea in the first place". | |
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| Manager situation on 11:39 - Jun 8 with 7108 views | TeddeRs |
Absolutely agree, very badly handled, with no thought to the likely outcome. I'd also guess, pretty badly advised by the clubs lawyers.
Evryone who's replied on this has a pragmatic view of how this situation would likely play out. Surprising neither the club nor its lawyers could see that. | | | |
| Manager situation on 11:46 - Jun 8 with 7052 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
I suspect there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than we're being told; friendlies all organised, contract renewals for Smyth and Colback, Dunne has probably already told them he's off, maybe even a first team signing or two. They're refusing to tell us a single thing before a new manager is in place though because it absolves the manager from accountability and places it squarely on Nourry, which I imagine makes his asshole twitch. |  | | |
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| Manager situation on 12:43 - Jun 8 with 6883 views | KensalT |
| Manager situation on 10:09 - Jun 8 by TeddeRs |
I expect MC's on gardening leave as part of a disciplinary process for having talked to WBA.
Assuming MC is still on gardening leave the club can't start talking about recruiting a new manager publicly because it could prejudice its case against MC and open itself up to a claim of constructive dismissal and substantial compensation.
Not great from a supporter perspective but if not communicating reduces the risk of, say a £0.5m-£1m payout it makes sense. |
Gardening leave is only used when notice has been given - either by the employee or the employee.
It is not used as part of a disciplinary process and is not a suspension:
https://plotkinandchandler.com/when-would-you-be-put-on-garden-leave
"When would you be put on garden leave?
An employee may be put on garden leave during their notice period. During garden leave an employee will typically not be expected to be present at the workplace or to undertake work. However, the employee may be expected to respond to phone calls or emails from their employer.
Whether or not garden leave would be an appropriate course of action would depend on the particular circumstances, and it may well be useful for the organisation to obtain professional advice to ensure that everything is done correctly, and the process runs smoothly.
Is garden leave the same as suspension?
Garden leave should not be confused with suspension. Being put on garden leave is not part of the disciplinary process, and therefore is entirely different from being suspended.
Where it is thought that an individual may be responsible for wrongdoing, the matter should be dealt with in accordance with the organisation’s disciplinary procedure." | | | |
| Manager situation on 13:03 - Jun 8 with 6767 views | goodlife |
| Manager situation on 11:46 - Jun 8 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I suspect there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than we're being told; friendlies all organised, contract renewals for Smyth and Colback, Dunne has probably already told them he's off, maybe even a first team signing or two. They're refusing to tell us a single thing before a new manager is in place though because it absolves the manager from accountability and places it squarely on Nourry, which I imagine makes his asshole twitch. |
Hope you’re right. If not, Nourry out - Marty in. I doubt they can both be in the same room. If Nourry is able to get a half decent manager in place by the end of the week, I am fine, but else I would very much like Nourry out and Marty in! |  | | |
| Manager situation on 13:48 - Jun 8 with 6592 views | francisbowles |
| Manager situation on 10:56 - Jun 8 by bosh67 |
My own thoughts are that his agent went (or was sent) to talk to WBA but as far as we know it wasn't a direct meeting between Marti and WBA. I fully understand why he was pulled from the line of fire for the final game of the season but the gardening leave feels like there's a lot more to do with an ongoing issue between Marti and Christian than we've ever been told, and that was the final snap in it all?
Let's say if I was the CEO and the whole thing was about the WBA thing I would have taken Marti off that game as we did but not placed him on gardening leave. I would have sat down and sorted out what he wanted to do, considering he had signed a long term agreement and because of the financial implications of that. I would then, post those discussions put out a statement that Marti was staying and it was business as usual or that Marti has indicated that he wishes to move on and we'll be looking for a replacement. That way other clubs wouldn't be in a position of knowing that we'd be effectively paying him to leave. If you make a decision one way or another days after the final game both parties can either put it behind them (and people forget quickly) or you position it as an amicable split. What you don't do is humiliate someone by publicly putting them on gardening leave and placing them for 6 weeks on the naughty step.
It is a complete mess as it stands. There were so many ways to handle it better. |
It's possible that Marti was reasonably happy here, as seemed to be the case, even after the Burnley debacle. He may well have been feeling the club wanted him out and getting his agent to check out the WBA situation in case that came to pass.
If the club wanted him, they wouldn't be leaving him twiddling his thumbs and putting the new season's preparations in jepeordy.
They will find it very difficult to attract an equivalent, or better, replacement within our limited budget.
As I posted before, blame and sack the PR company whilst demanding compensation for a poor job. Say it's all been a huge mistake and get Marti back with an improved deal. | | | |
| Manager situation on 14:33 - Jun 8 with 6397 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Manager situation on 13:48 - Jun 8 by francisbowles |
It's possible that Marti was reasonably happy here, as seemed to be the case, even after the Burnley debacle. He may well have been feeling the club wanted him out and getting his agent to check out the WBA situation in case that came to pass.
If the club wanted him, they wouldn't be leaving him twiddling his thumbs and putting the new season's preparations in jepeordy.
They will find it very difficult to attract an equivalent, or better, replacement within our limited budget.
As I posted before, blame and sack the PR company whilst demanding compensation for a poor job. Say it's all been a huge mistake and get Marti back with an improved deal. |
Really do not want Cifuentes back: he doesn’t want to be here. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 15:10 - Jun 8 with 6259 views | Blue_Castello |
| Manager situation on 14:33 - Jun 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
Really do not want Cifuentes back: he doesn’t want to be here. |
Well I think it was the last home game he went round the ground before the start of the game thanking the supporters and when asked said he hoped to be here next season.
We've all heard the stories about WBA but was that Martis agent putting out feelers because he knew how poor the relationship had become with Nourry.
Maybe you know more than most about the internal relationship that Marti had with our CEO/DOF because all I've read is rumours and gossip. | | | |
| Manager situation on 15:17 - Jun 8 with 6211 views | GroveR |
| Manager situation on 14:33 - Jun 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
Really do not want Cifuentes back: he doesn’t want to be here. |
Thanks for confirming. Next time you're chatting with him can you ask him if he prefers Valencian or Marinera paella? |  | | |
| Manager situation on 15:34 - Jun 8 with 6139 views | goodlife |
| Manager situation on 14:33 - Jun 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
Really do not want Cifuentes back: he doesn’t want to be here. |
Really? I believe he likes QPR, but doesn’t get along very well with Nourry. I think it will be difficult to find any decent manager that would work under Nourry. So when the board tells Nourru to go, then I believe Marty would jump at the challenge! | | | |
| Manager situation on 15:47 - Jun 8 with 6091 views | 7374Ranger |
I agree. I said at the time that placing MC on gardening leave was wrong and if anything , it weakens QPR’s compensation claims, because clubs will state that QPR don’t want him, so why should they meet any release clause? They are more likely to offer less in a take it or leave it way. Also, MC could have a case similar to the Bosman ruling.
Nourry , imo, has acted impetuously and created this mess. QPR will struggle to negotiate new deals for players when they don’t have a manager, including trying to persuade Dunne to sign a new contract. | | | |
| Manager situation on 15:50 - Jun 8 with 6071 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Manager situation on 15:10 - Jun 8 by Blue_Castello |
Well I think it was the last home game he went round the ground before the start of the game thanking the supporters and when asked said he hoped to be here next season.
We've all heard the stories about WBA but was that Martis agent putting out feelers because he knew how poor the relationship had become with Nourry.
Maybe you know more than most about the internal relationship that Marti had with our CEO/DOF because all I've read is rumours and gossip. |
He was trying to leave last summer just 6 months after he joined. That doesn't smack of long term commitment to the cause. | | | |
| Manager situation on 15:58 - Jun 8 with 6025 views | DavieQPR |
NDS. Nourry Derangement Syndrome. Blame him for everything without knowing any facts. If you think it then it must be true. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 16:00 - Jun 8 with 6010 views | Blue_Castello |
| Manager situation on 15:50 - Jun 8 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
He was trying to leave last summer just 6 months after he joined. That doesn't smack of long term commitment to the cause. |
Where are all the facts, most Managers are always looking to the future because there's no loyalty from the clubs, big problem having agents involved they are always pushing even when the player or Manager may not be interested.
We totally disagree about Jimmy Dunne and what he brings to the team and promoting the youth next season too quickly will see us in the bottom three. | | | |
| Manager situation on 16:07 - Jun 8 with 5945 views | Mr_Beef |
| Manager situation on 15:58 - Jun 8 by DavieQPR |
NDS. Nourry Derangement Syndrome. Blame him for everything without knowing any facts. If you think it then it must be true. |
Well, it's a fact that we've had a manager on gardening leave for nearly six weeks without any indication of a new one coming in. And that's Nourry's responsibility. |  | | |
| Manager situation on 16:17 - Jun 8 with 5883 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Manager situation on 15:10 - Jun 8 by Blue_Castello |
Well I think it was the last home game he went round the ground before the start of the game thanking the supporters and when asked said he hoped to be here next season.
We've all heard the stories about WBA but was that Martis agent putting out feelers because he knew how poor the relationship had become with Nourry.
Maybe you know more than most about the internal relationship that Marti had with our CEO/DOF because all I've read is rumours and gossip. |
And what about the rumours he was sounding out Burnley and Sunderland a year ago after being here just half a season? Perhaps some of them are true: Dave Mc has confirmed he’s on gardening leave due to his West Brom approach. | | | |
| Manager situation on 16:43 - Jun 8 with 5778 views | Blue_Castello |
| Manager situation on 16:17 - Jun 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
And what about the rumours he was sounding out Burnley and Sunderland a year ago after being here just half a season? Perhaps some of them are true: Dave Mc has confirmed he’s on gardening leave due to his West Brom approach. |
Again we just don't know the facts, a lot of respect for Dave MC but his access to the club has been cut short due to the communications blackout so it's difficult to know what's really happened. We are given the impression the relationship with the CEO was very poor and that the slightest indiscretion could be utilised to place the Manager on gardening leave. | | | |
| Manager situation on 16:56 - Jun 8 with 5691 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Manager situation on 16:00 - Jun 8 by Blue_Castello |
Where are all the facts, most Managers are always looking to the future because there's no loyalty from the clubs, big problem having agents involved they are always pushing even when the player or Manager may not be interested.
We totally disagree about Jimmy Dunne and what he brings to the team and promoting the youth next season too quickly will see us in the bottom three. |
Do you really think if MC had been offered a job then he wouldn't have walked last summer?
It is ridiculous at the moment on here. It seems MC was an absolute Saint who could do no wrong and everything is Nourrys fault.
It is pretty clear MC wanted a job last summer, the relationship has broken down, probably due to both of them having entrenched views on the structure a manager should work in.
Neither can be blamed 100%, it takes two to tango. | | | |
| Manager situation on 18:04 - Jun 8 with 5444 views | Rangersw12 |
| Manager situation on 16:56 - Jun 8 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Do you really think if MC had been offered a job then he wouldn't have walked last summer?
It is ridiculous at the moment on here. It seems MC was an absolute Saint who could do no wrong and everything is Nourrys fault.
It is pretty clear MC wanted a job last summer, the relationship has broken down, probably due to both of them having entrenched views on the structure a manager should work in.
Neither can be blamed 100%, it takes two to tango. |
Everything isn't Nourry's fault.......I blame Hoos as well | | | |
| Manager situation on 18:37 - Jun 8 with 5279 views | daveB |
| Manager situation on 16:17 - Jun 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
And what about the rumours he was sounding out Burnley and Sunderland a year ago after being here just half a season? Perhaps some of them are true: Dave Mc has confirmed he’s on gardening leave due to his West Brom approach. |
My response would be so what if he looked for better jobs.
We're a development club our plan is to bring people in improve them and sell them for profit so one of the employees looking to make that happen should be a good thing
I'd also ask why people are so keen to leave at the first opportunity, Marti isn't the first to be keen to get the hell out of here when on the face of it everything looks rosey [Post edited 8 Jun 18:37]
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