| Kolli 10:23 - Jul 1 with 22993 views | WestbourneR |
Seeing a fair few negative assessments of him over this close season (Gallen & Dave Mc + several posters on here) saying he's either not good enough or should go on loan to L1.
I'm totally perplexed by it.
The guy is a rare gem. For me, the reason he's special is his back to goal game. It's something you don't get very often in a young player.
Not only does he have a powerful strike, good feet and composure - he is also strong and relishes the battle and hold up stuff. He's also tall and good in the air.
So yeah - he's not a 10, he's not a winger (not quick enough) - he's a striker. His stats speak for themselves, when he plays, one game in every two he tended to make something happen with an assist or goal.
Stats aside, even just with the naked eye, you can just see he has what it takes. Best youth prospect at this club since Eze IMO.
I don't get why people are down on him. He's just 20 years old and straight out of our youth team! [Post edited 1 Jul 10:24]
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| Kolli on 11:05 - Jul 14 with 3503 views | Jevlar |
Such a shame, there’s a talent there but there’s clearly baggage which may or may not be of his own doing. |  | | |
| Kolli on 11:09 - Jul 14 with 3448 views | wombat |
| Kolli on 09:50 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
Willock still has another 2 years on his contract but I know what you mean, another overly invested father. I think they just live vicariously through their children.
In Kolli's case, I've seen nothing more than a kid living his dream playing for his boyhood club. Any noise such as this, the Algeria call up recently. It can create a bad image for the misinformed which isn't right |
dont forget the alleged england wanting him to switch to play for them as well which was yet another rumour during the summer , no idea who started that rumour , |  |
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| Kolli on 11:14 - Jul 14 with 3415 views | KensalT |
| Kolli on 10:33 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
We had a player that went on a run of 5 goals and 3 assists in 12 games (goal involvement every 73 minutes) before injuries curtailed his season. If you have anyone in the squad that can consistently provide this output, I don't think we can be picky about how we fit them in, you just do it |
I think you need to look at who those performances were against.
He got four goals in the Championship last season. 2 v Norwich who were really poor on the day. And one each against Preston and Plymouth who finished beneath us.
The assists were against West Brom and Oxford.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rayan-kolli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/867699
So of his six goal involvements only one was against a team who played well against us (West Brom), and they were the only ones to finish in the top half.
He wouldn't be the first QPR player to have a purple patch out of nowhere and then never do it again.
Kolli still needs to prove he can do it consistently against better teams. |  | | |
| Kolli on 11:24 - Jul 14 with 3322 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 11:14 - Jul 14 by KensalT |
I think you need to look at who those performances were against.
He got four goals in the Championship last season. 2 v Norwich who were really poor on the day. And one each against Preston and Plymouth who finished beneath us.
The assists were against West Brom and Oxford.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rayan-kolli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/867699
So of his six goal involvements only one was against a team who played well against us (West Brom), and they were the only ones to finish in the top half.
He wouldn't be the first QPR player to have a purple patch out of nowhere and then never do it again.
Kolli still needs to prove he can do it consistently against better teams. |
Also a goal and assist vs Premier League Leicester, why leave that out?
I just can't quite believe we're downplaying a 19 year old's achievements because it's not vs "good teams". We're QPR, you know we normally lose to these types, it's the championship ffs, the league with the biggest cliche aka "NO EASY GAMES!!!"
I'm trying to be nice but if you can easily dismiss any good performances vs the likes of Norwich who have a squad value 3x ours and have made 50m in sales in the last year, I'm not sure what will please you to be honest | | | |
| Kolli on 11:34 - Jul 14 with 3235 views | dannyblue |
Kolli's very promising. He has a certain air of confidence, and a bit of class (e.g., that instant outside of the right finish away somewhere).
It would be great to see him develop with us.
But considering all the injuries, and all those with unfulfilled potential we've seen in the past, his career could easily go nowhere.
So in our circumstances right now the safer bet would be a move if there's a proper fee and a good sell on. |  | | |
| Kolli on 11:36 - Jul 14 with 3214 views | KensalT |
| Kolli on 11:24 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
Also a goal and assist vs Premier League Leicester, why leave that out?
I just can't quite believe we're downplaying a 19 year old's achievements because it's not vs "good teams". We're QPR, you know we normally lose to these types, it's the championship ffs, the league with the biggest cliche aka "NO EASY GAMES!!!"
I'm trying to be nice but if you can easily dismiss any good performances vs the likes of Norwich who have a squad value 3x ours and have made 50m in sales in the last year, I'm not sure what will please you to be honest |
"Also a goal and assist vs Premier League Leicester, why leave that out?"
The game that was played in fog, and with a white ball!!
How many long-range efforts did Leicester put past us that day?
The playing conditions were farcical. If it had been a league game instead of a cup tie no one was bothered about it would have been postponed.
I suggest you read Clive's report of the Norwich game. They clearly weren't up for it that day.
If Kolli was the player you seem to believe he is it would be Championship teams with parachute money coming in for him. When that happens I will happily concede you might have been right all along. | | | |
| Kolli on 11:44 - Jul 14 with 3171 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Kolli on 08:38 - Jul 14 by FDC |
Yeah find it hard to understand why he would be broadcasting all of this stuff online, can't be helpful for his son's development.
Tbh, if we get a decent fee for him it might be best for everyone if he makes a move, although a shame. There were some bright moments from him last season. But he's still got a lot of work to do, and the whole situation just seems unstable. The constant speculation about what's going on with him isn't good for anyone. |
This!
And assuming his injuries are genuine, for one so young to be so prone has to be a red flag.
Decent fee, good SOC, that's fine for me we move on. |  |
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| Kolli on 11:47 - Jul 14 with 3138 views | aston_hoop |
| Kolli on 11:14 - Jul 14 by KensalT |
I think you need to look at who those performances were against.
He got four goals in the Championship last season. 2 v Norwich who were really poor on the day. And one each against Preston and Plymouth who finished beneath us.
The assists were against West Brom and Oxford.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rayan-kolli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/867699
So of his six goal involvements only one was against a team who played well against us (West Brom), and they were the only ones to finish in the top half.
He wouldn't be the first QPR player to have a purple patch out of nowhere and then never do it again.
Kolli still needs to prove he can do it consistently against better teams. |
Are we really so picky that once a player scores a few goals, the answer is 'well it wasn't against very good teams'. I don't get this at all. |  |
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| Kolli on 11:49 - Jul 14 with 3128 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 11:36 - Jul 14 by KensalT |
"Also a goal and assist vs Premier League Leicester, why leave that out?"
The game that was played in fog, and with a white ball!!
How many long-range efforts did Leicester put past us that day?
The playing conditions were farcical. If it had been a league game instead of a cup tie no one was bothered about it would have been postponed.
I suggest you read Clive's report of the Norwich game. They clearly weren't up for it that day.
If Kolli was the player you seem to believe he is it would be Championship teams with parachute money coming in for him. When that happens I will happily concede you might have been right all along. |
There was fog, okay we'll take that performance away. Also Norwich "wasn't up for it", okay we'll take take one away too. We'll take the others away because they wasn't vs T12 teams in the league. How far is this going to go?
I'd take interest from Lille, Monaco, Dortmund and Celtic as an indication of how he is viewed as a player | | | |
| Kolli on 12:28 - Jul 14 with 2882 views | wombat |
| Kolli on 11:49 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
There was fog, okay we'll take that performance away. Also Norwich "wasn't up for it", okay we'll take take one away too. We'll take the others away because they wasn't vs T12 teams in the league. How far is this going to go?
I'd take interest from Lille, Monaco, Dortmund and Celtic as an indication of how he is viewed as a player |
you mean rumours of intrest ? not actual bids on the table for the club to consider
this is going back to the days of him being in the middle of a SM campagin and deserving his new contract when all he had done was his purple patch and sat on the treatment table way to many times , as somebody said was he actually injured after he got the new deal ? | |
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| Kolli on 12:34 - Jul 14 with 2812 views | KensalT |
| Kolli on 11:49 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
There was fog, okay we'll take that performance away. Also Norwich "wasn't up for it", okay we'll take take one away too. We'll take the others away because they wasn't vs T12 teams in the league. How far is this going to go?
I'd take interest from Lille, Monaco, Dortmund and Celtic as an indication of how he is viewed as a player |
If he gets a big money move to a big club, has a stellar career and makes some money for QPR in the process then I will be very happy for him and for us.
I just haven't seen enough from him yet to suggest that is going to happen.
But Taarabt and Eze were written off early in their careers and went on to prove their doubters wrong.
Maybe Julien Stephan with his track record for developing young talent can help Kolli kick on to bigger and better things.
Let's just see how it works out! | | | |
| Kolli on 12:44 - Jul 14 with 2690 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 12:28 - Jul 14 by wombat |
you mean rumours of intrest ? not actual bids on the table for the club to consider
this is going back to the days of him being in the middle of a SM campagin and deserving his new contract when all he had done was his purple patch and sat on the treatment table way to many times , as somebody said was he actually injured after he got the new deal ? |
I'm not sure what you're on about with a social media campaign and him just calling in sick to avoid playing. This reply just seems really bad faith to be honest.
If you didn't know, his original contract was due to expire this summer. Any calls for a new contract, was due to this expiring and losing him on a free would have been awful business. The club have a strategy now to lock in our assets to long term contracts to protect us from this. Any interest in January would have been with that free transfer in mind | | | |
| Kolli on 12:54 - Jul 14 with 2551 views | Loyalitat |
| Kolli on 11:14 - Jul 14 by KensalT |
I think you need to look at who those performances were against.
He got four goals in the Championship last season. 2 v Norwich who were really poor on the day. And one each against Preston and Plymouth who finished beneath us.
The assists were against West Brom and Oxford.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rayan-kolli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/867699
So of his six goal involvements only one was against a team who played well against us (West Brom), and they were the only ones to finish in the top half.
He wouldn't be the first QPR player to have a purple patch out of nowhere and then never do it again.
Kolli still needs to prove he can do it consistently against better teams. |
Deliberately specious. Mystified as to why.
However, if you elect to go down that route, you have to apply the same variables/metrics consistently to all players.
For balance: much-lauded Saito: 3 goals (2 against teams that finished beneath us: Derby and Hull)
Saito: 2 goal assists (1 against a team that finished beneath us: Oxford). 39 championship games played. [Post edited 14 Jul 12:59]
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| Kolli on 13:01 - Jul 14 with 2482 views | wombat |
| Kolli on 12:44 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
I'm not sure what you're on about with a social media campaign and him just calling in sick to avoid playing. This reply just seems really bad faith to be honest.
If you didn't know, his original contract was due to expire this summer. Any calls for a new contract, was due to this expiring and losing him on a free would have been awful business. The club have a strategy now to lock in our assets to long term contracts to protect us from this. Any interest in January would have been with that free transfer in mind |
everyone was well aware of his contract situation it was a daily thread to be honest , id say more words were written about a player who had broken through than a lot who had played before him.
the variety of people saying hes worth this hes worth more than him That SM campaign, it was somebody previously who infered he was lets say swinging a leg but that would obv agrevate any injury he does have so doubt he would be.
no bad faith like others have said including me he has genuine ability but has he got the will to take it to next level? yes he loves the club we have heard that number of times over the years from various players , they they loved who ever else is paying good money to them.
is it awful business for a player who misses large chunks of a season due to a variety on inuries ?
maybe just maybe if as you say loves the club so much and wants to be the best there is he might have taken time out in the summer and prepared a bit more on the areas of his body he needs to strengthen ? bit of hard work never hurt anyone . | |
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| Kolli on 13:15 - Jul 14 with 2315 views | KensalT |
| Kolli on 12:54 - Jul 14 by Loyalitat |
Deliberately specious. Mystified as to why.
However, if you elect to go down that route, you have to apply the same variables/metrics consistently to all players.
For balance: much-lauded Saito: 3 goals (2 against teams that finished beneath us: Derby and Hull)
Saito: 2 goal assists (1 against a team that finished beneath us: Oxford). 39 championship games played. [Post edited 14 Jul 12:59]
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There was nothing specious about it.
I was trying to put his achievements to date into context. Not because I'm anti-Kolli but because I don't think he has done enough yet to justify the hype and expectation that some of our support are investing in him.
I'm also not sure it helps a player his age to be carrying so much expectation.
Most of his goal involvements last season were against teams who weren't very good or weren't very motivated.
There's nothing wrong with that.
It's not a criticism of Kolli.
You can only play against what's put in front of you.
But to justify the hype he is going to need to perform consistently against better teams.
I hope he gets the chance and I hope he does. | | | |
| Kolli on 13:15 - Jul 14 with 2308 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 13:01 - Jul 14 by wombat |
everyone was well aware of his contract situation it was a daily thread to be honest , id say more words were written about a player who had broken through than a lot who had played before him.
the variety of people saying hes worth this hes worth more than him That SM campaign, it was somebody previously who infered he was lets say swinging a leg but that would obv agrevate any injury he does have so doubt he would be.
no bad faith like others have said including me he has genuine ability but has he got the will to take it to next level? yes he loves the club we have heard that number of times over the years from various players , they they loved who ever else is paying good money to them.
is it awful business for a player who misses large chunks of a season due to a variety on inuries ?
maybe just maybe if as you say loves the club so much and wants to be the best there is he might have taken time out in the summer and prepared a bit more on the areas of his body he needs to strengthen ? bit of hard work never hurt anyone . |
The amount of back handed comments in this reply alone might be why I think you're bad faith towards him. You can talk about his injury record at a young age being concerning, that he needs to develop further and find his natural position. But I'm sorry I can't engage with theories that he was conducting a social media campaign, lying about his feelings for the club and not caring or working hard. I have nothing to add to that [Post edited 14 Jul 13:21]
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| Kolli on 14:02 - Jul 14 with 1911 views | wombat |
| Kolli on 13:15 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
The amount of back handed comments in this reply alone might be why I think you're bad faith towards him. You can talk about his injury record at a young age being concerning, that he needs to develop further and find his natural position. But I'm sorry I can't engage with theories that he was conducting a social media campaign, lying about his feelings for the club and not caring or working hard. I have nothing to add to that [Post edited 14 Jul 13:21]
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hi shadow, what bad faith ive just posted , and what is bad faith actually ? its called an opinion same as every used to be allowed to have
1 my opinion
2 facts
hard to develop his natural postion when hes rarely aval for a period of games ,
who said he was behind a SM campaign ? as other have said in this thread it seems he has a lof of people behind him who have motives which like willock dont seem to be in his best intrests which for an y young footballer is a danm shame as they are the ones training and hopefully playing every week , you also seem to be adverse to any constructive criticsim. of him he can do no wrong it seems .
no reply on how he might have worked hard in the summer on the areas he continues to get injured ? thats not a critiscism thats an observation
who said hes lying ? all players love the club hopefully ,cant beat a bit of badge kissing after a goal id say , | |
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| Kolli on 14:04 - Jul 14 with 1894 views | Stainrod |
Baffling why goals against teams below us should count for less. Its not like we were typically banging in 3,4 or 5 goals against such teams. If anything more important to score a goal against a relegation rival that might land us some points than a consolation goal against a promotion chaser. | | | |
| Kolli on 14:09 - Jul 14 with 1850 views | connell10 |
| Kolli on 10:25 - Jul 14 by Juzzie |
Some 20 odd years ago I was living in flats in Camden and one of my neighbours two boys were football mad, just like any other 7-10 years olds. Now, I'd seen them play and they were good but nothing special. He hawked them around every club he could....QPR, Fulham, Southampton, Watford, Norwich and so on.
Talking to him all I could sense was greed. No consideration about the welfare of his sons, what's best for them etc.
Forward wind to today and now my own 10 year old is in youth football I see that nothing has changed. I see parents with £££ in their eyes, 7-10 year old boys strutting around like they are god's gift because they've been told they are. These youth clubs are meat grinders, all about getting that 1 in 1000 boy to a professional club and what £ they then get back off that. It's a business from the bottom to the top.
As there is this massive conveyor belt of kids, clubs can let a player like Willock at Newcastle go because they can then take on a bunch of youth boys at a collective cost that is less than renewing Willock's contract. If just one of those boys comes good, job done.
Very reflective of where we are today. Businesses are no longer about providing a service but about how much money can be made (just read about the Connells estate agents scandal, no surprises there. "In the best interests of the client"?.... No chance).
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| Kolli on 14:18 - Jul 14 with 1784 views | wombat |
| Kolli on 14:09 - Jul 14 by connell10 |
I would like to deny all knowledge of this! |
those were in the days clubs offered parents houses jobs etc to try and persaude them to sign for a certain club. | |
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| Kolli on 14:23 - Jul 14 with 1737 views | LazyFan |
Kolli is a quality player, with skills and a youth product as well.
If we get good money for him, then we should sell him as he's injured way too much.
But remember, Armstrong, who is nowhere near as skilful, went to Bristol to be the next big thing. They gave him a great run in the team, making him their starting forward, and the crowd went wild at his direct running. He looked like the next Collymore or Ferdinand. However, they soon found out that the results weren't happening, and he was dropped.
What about Dykes, a seasoned performer in the Champ, who drops a division and gets to play in the best team in that division? Yet he cannot make the team, as Alfie May, an L1 forward, is ahead of him. Dykes scored two goals in the league all season, one of which came for us against SU before his move! Now on social media they are saying he's not good enough for the Champ, and they need to move him on! I doubt anyone will buy Dykes in the Champ, maybe Millwall or Charlton, but that's a stretch.
We should sell Kolli if we get good money, and the same for Nardi and Chair, who are now in their prime and will only decrease in value. |  |
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| Kolli on 14:39 - Jul 14 with 1609 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Kolli on 11:14 - Jul 14 by KensalT |
I think you need to look at who those performances were against.
He got four goals in the Championship last season. 2 v Norwich who were really poor on the day. And one each against Preston and Plymouth who finished beneath us.
The assists were against West Brom and Oxford.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rayan-kolli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/867699
So of his six goal involvements only one was against a team who played well against us (West Brom), and they were the only ones to finish in the top half.
He wouldn't be the first QPR player to have a purple patch out of nowhere and then never do it again.
Kolli still needs to prove he can do it consistently against better teams. |
Like all our strikers then, none of whom scored a lot of goals against anyone, but especially the better sides! Why single out Kolli?
And why is the 'hype' his fault, or anything to do with him? He's just a young, talened player making his way in the game, and needs . . . games, either with us or out on loan.
His injury record is worrying, I'll agree, but everyone and everything worries me about QPR. [Post edited 14 Jul 14:42]
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| Kolli on 15:33 - Jul 14 with 1422 views | KensalT |
| Kolli on 14:39 - Jul 14 by stainrods_elbow |
Like all our strikers then, none of whom scored a lot of goals against anyone, but especially the better sides! Why single out Kolli?
And why is the 'hype' his fault, or anything to do with him? He's just a young, talened player making his way in the game, and needs . . . games, either with us or out on loan.
His injury record is worrying, I'll agree, but everyone and everything worries me about QPR. [Post edited 14 Jul 14:42]
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You ask two questions. I will try to answer them.
1. Why single out Kolli?
- It's a Kolli thread. So it seems reasonable.
2. Why is the 'hype' his fault.
- I don't recall saying that it was.
In one of my subsequent replies I did say it probably wasn't helpful for a young player to be carrying such expectations.
I have made the reasonably valid point that most of his goal involvements last season were against teams who either weren't very good or in Norwich's case clearly weren't up for it on the day.
I didn't make any direct criticisms of the lad himself.
I offered the opinion that to justify the hype he will need to put in consistent performances against better teams than he has done so far.
For me (and those of us who believe in such things) the jury is still out.
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| Kolli on 16:15 - Jul 14 with 1216 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Kolli on 15:33 - Jul 14 by KensalT |
You ask two questions. I will try to answer them.
1. Why single out Kolli?
- It's a Kolli thread. So it seems reasonable.
2. Why is the 'hype' his fault.
- I don't recall saying that it was.
In one of my subsequent replies I did say it probably wasn't helpful for a young player to be carrying such expectations.
I have made the reasonably valid point that most of his goal involvements last season were against teams who either weren't very good or in Norwich's case clearly weren't up for it on the day.
I didn't make any direct criticisms of the lad himself.
I offered the opinion that to justify the hype he will need to put in consistent performances against better teams than he has done so far.
For me (and those of us who believe in such things) the jury is still out.
If he proves his doubters wrong then good luck to him. |
I don't rate him particularly highly. If we can get a good fee with a big sell on we should be delighted.
Don't forget, everyone at our club is for sale. | |
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| Kolli on 05:22 - Jul 15 with 700 views | numptydumpty |
| Kolli on 16:15 - Jul 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I don't rate him particularly highly. If we can get a good fee with a big sell on we should be delighted.
Don't forget, everyone at our club is for sale. |
I agree with you here Wilkins.
Much rather keep Kelman than Kolli.
There is vibes around the family bigging him up too early also.
If we get a decent offer, I would be inclined to sell.
His injury record also for me, at a young age, is troubling and he is at the very start of his career, and not ever gone through a whole season as,yet. His stock could be at its peak right now.
A conundrum as there is clearly a chance he could massively improve but its all based on nothing as yet.
He goes into the category for me - unproven....
Risky... [Post edited 15 Jul 5:24]
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