| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF 18:22 - Aug 30 with 23047 views | gazza1 |
Madsen is a decent footballer and far far better player than the uneducated supporter on this very MB can see. Selected again today to start and played another decent match adding to the opening game against PNE where he did a decent job as well. He was OK against Watford as well despite being ‘singled out’ as poor, etc, etc – he was not poor in ‘my book’. MB people need to actually look at what he does well. Left out at Coventry but soon introduced from half time replacing ‘fans favorite’ Morgan who was so so poor in the first half giving Coventry at least two of the goals that we conceded & giving the ball away time after time and very overrated generally by many posters.
Going back to today, he played next to Varane in a near defensive type role, he took many dead ball situations, and took them well, including a well saved free kick, some of his forward passes were very good indeed, passed the ball generally very well and at times very quickly to get attacks moving. Nothing wrong with his game today overall but I see that ParkRoyalRanger still finds time to disrespect him…….not surprising really when you know he thinks that Dykes is a good player and it is everyone elses fault!!!!
Madsen is one of our best footballers in the Team, ‘head & shoulders’ above many and it is sad that many can’t see it.
If Madsen is as poor, as many on this MB appear to think (& believe), then why is he being picked to play by the new Manager/Coach/CEO this season and, also, picked by Cleventes at the back end of last season, who is a many MB poster hero,, ……why would he be selected to start by those two, the coaches, if he is so poor??? He has been selected to start around 10 times out of 12 of our last matches
Now, he is not my favorite player and I do not think that Madsen is any Ray Wilkins but he is nowhere near as bad as many think, a very long way from it – worth a place in the starting 11, currently for sure, even keeping Sam Field off the field for the whole game. And by the way, those who cheered him sarcastically today should be ashamed of themselves.
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 17:55 - Sep 3 with 2521 views | francisbowles |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:56 - Sep 3 by terryb |
I remember it as a poster outside a church asking What will you do when the Lord comes?
Underneath was written Move St John to inside right.
I've no idea where they were going to put their top scorer, Roger Hunt! |
Yes, that's triggered a memory Terry, but, could it have been inside left?😁 | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 19:22 - Sep 3 with 2388 views | kensalriser |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 16:23 - Sep 3 by mart_Goblin |
Not sure why we’re now comparing 2 completely different players?
To keep it very short , Adel did his talking with a football . The most gifted player I’ve seen in the hoops.
Ray was a brilliant player , captain , human . Ambassador , leader, influence , mentor ,
Ray was class of the pitch as well as on |
Before we canonise him we shouldn't forget he was also a serial drunk driver. Yes he was a great footballer and had many qualities both professional and personal but like most of us he also had his flaws. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:59 - Sep 3 with 2247 views | dutch |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 14:08 - Sep 3 by KensalT |
So you're not bothered that Gerry Francis grew up supporting Brentford?
"Personal life
Francis was a Brentford supporter as a youth and his father Roy was a professional at the club in the late 1940s and early 1950s."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Francis
Not having a dig - honest!
Just think our players and managers should be judged just on what they do for us.
Their personal belief, motivations, affiliations etc are their business.
I agree with you about Wilkins not being our best ever, simply because he was too far past his prime and we had to build the side around him. |
Supporting Brentford and being the icon, the heart and soul of Chelsea and a hero of that mob north of the border are sins of a very different magnitude in my eyes. [Post edited 3 Sep 22:06]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:12 - Sep 3 with 2210 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm sorry, i'm trying my best, but I just can't get into the rivalry with Brentford.
It's frustrating they've leapfrogged us but I also think that of lots of teams.
It's like trying to get a beef going with an IKEA. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 07:30 - Sep 4 with 2060 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:12 - Sep 3 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm sorry, i'm trying my best, but I just can't get into the rivalry with Brentford.
It's frustrating they've leapfrogged us but I also think that of lots of teams.
It's like trying to get a beef going with an IKEA. |
Ya, I'm the same.
I used to go and watch them, and quite like them.
Fulham, too. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:02 - Sep 4 with 2006 views | numptydumpty |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 07:30 - Sep 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Ya, I'm the same.
I used to go and watch them, and quite like them.
Fulham, too. |
Same Brian.
I suppose getting a bit older, i cant say hate is a word i use about any other team including Chelsea, when i was in my 20s maybe, but hate probably the wrong word now.
It causes me great pleasure and amusement if any of the so called monied big clubs fail miserably but hate is not in the vocabulary now.
Brentford and Fulham and other London clubs, they just nearer to us, for me than say Preston or Bolton... |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:50 - Sep 4 with 1961 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:02 - Sep 4 by numptydumpty |
Same Brian.
I suppose getting a bit older, i cant say hate is a word i use about any other team including Chelsea, when i was in my 20s maybe, but hate probably the wrong word now.
It causes me great pleasure and amusement if any of the so called monied big clubs fail miserably but hate is not in the vocabulary now.
Brentford and Fulham and other London clubs, they just nearer to us, for me than say Preston or Bolton... |
Nah, I hate Chelsea!  | |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 13:20 - Sep 4 with 1783 views | robith |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:50 - Sep 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Nah, I hate Chelsea! |
I hate Chelsea more than I like QPR |  | | |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 13:38 - Sep 4 with 1733 views | Juzzie |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:12 - Sep 3 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm sorry, i'm trying my best, but I just can't get into the rivalry with Brentford.
It's frustrating they've leapfrogged us but I also think that of lots of teams.
It's like trying to get a beef going with an IKEA. |
Brentford are desperate for a rivalry with us when we are not interested in them at all in the same way we are wanting a rivalry with Chelsea when they don't give a schit about us. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 13:49 - Sep 4 with 1700 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 13:38 - Sep 4 by Juzzie |
Brentford are desperate for a rivalry with us when we are not interested in them at all in the same way we are wanting a rivalry with Chelsea when they don't give a schit about us. |
Maybe not now, but old school Chelsea fans do. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:34 - Sep 4 with 1608 views | QPunkR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 13:20 - Sep 4 by robith |
I hate Chelsea more than I like QPR |
Mostly at 5pm on Saturdays |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:59 - Sep 5 with 1388 views | Rsole |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:34 - Sep 4 by QPunkR |
Mostly at 5pm on Saturdays |
Christian: If you want to join the People's Front of QPR, you have to really hate the Chelsea.
Julien: I do!
Christian: Oh yeah, how much?
Julien: A lot!
Christian: Right, you're in. |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:56 - Sep 5 with 1147 views | loftboy |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 11:20 - Sep 3 by KensalT |
Ray Wilkins didn't just play for Chelsea, he was Chelsea to his core.
So was Terry Venables.
Dave Sexton was arguably our most successful manager and he came to us from Chelsea.
Dave Webb who was at the heart of that '76 defence came to us from Chelsea.
Paul Furlong is still with us but he was previously at Chelsea - and we let him know what we thought about that when he joined us.
There has been a lot of overlap between us and Fulham Broadway FC.
Yes, there have been a few knobs along the way (Hughes, Bosingwa, etc). But some of the biggest names in our history worked for both clubs. And like it or not it has usually been us taking their sloppy seconds.
Off the top of my head the only player who started with us and went on to play for Chelsea was Clive Allen. And Clive seemed to be on some sort of mission to play for every club in London (Us, Arsenal, Palace, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham, and Millwall)
EDIT -
If we stretch a point Raheem Sterling was with us before joining Chelsea late in his career. He never got to play for us, but he's not likely to be playing for them much either this season.
[Post edited 3 Sep 14:47]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 16:45 - Sep 5 with 1077 views | KensalT |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:56 - Sep 5 by loftboy |
And Steve wickes |
I forgot Wicks ended his career at Chelsea. But he also started his career there so they had him first:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wicks
In between he had two spells with us and finished his career with more league appearances for us than anyone else. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:26 - Sep 6 with 761 views | JamesB1979 |
I think Dave Mc said that we tend to get carried away when a player who has put in performances with rating of around 3/10 then puts in a 6/10. I think that’s true to an extent but with Madsen, I’d say his best games have been Preston away, Sunderland away and Charlton at home. For me, as an example, when he puts that pass through to Smyth or sets up those chances for Yang (I think?) then his rating has to be 7/10 at least because he is responsible for potential game changing movements ie creating a goal. Because they are few times in a game that this happens, bit like scoring a goal. Yang should have scored 1 if not 2 of those Madsen passes, that puts us 2 goals up and game is done vs Preston. Smyth controls it and he has chance to beat keeper and put us 2 goals up, game done. | | | |
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