| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF 18:22 - Aug 30 with 12770 views | gazza1 |
Madsen is a decent footballer and far far better player than the uneducated supporter on this very MB can see. Selected again today to start and played another decent match adding to the opening game against PNE where he did a decent job as well. He was OK against Watford as well despite being ‘singled out’ as poor, etc, etc – he was not poor in ‘my book’. MB people need to actually look at what he does well. Left out at Coventry but soon introduced from half time replacing ‘fans favorite’ Morgan who was so so poor in the first half giving Coventry at least two of the goals that we conceded & giving the ball away time after time and very overrated generally by many posters.
Going back to today, he played next to Varane in a near defensive type role, he took many dead ball situations, and took them well, including a well saved free kick, some of his forward passes were very good indeed, passed the ball generally very well and at times very quickly to get attacks moving. Nothing wrong with his game today overall but I see that ParkRoyalRanger still finds time to disrespect him…….not surprising really when you know he thinks that Dykes is a good player and it is everyone elses fault!!!!
Madsen is one of our best footballers in the Team, ‘head & shoulders’ above many and it is sad that many can’t see it.
If Madsen is as poor, as many on this MB appear to think (& believe), then why is he being picked to play by the new Manager/Coach/CEO this season and, also, picked by Cleventes at the back end of last season, who is a many MB poster hero,, ……why would he be selected to start by those two, the coaches, if he is so poor??? He has been selected to start around 10 times out of 12 of our last matches
Now, he is not my favorite player and I do not think that Madsen is any Ray Wilkins but he is nowhere near as bad as many think, a very long way from it – worth a place in the starting 11, currently for sure, even keeping Sam Field off the field for the whole game. And by the way, those who cheered him sarcastically today should be ashamed of themselves.
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:30 - Aug 30 with 1673 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
What education you got gazza? |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:32 - Aug 30 with 1674 views | joe90 |
Gazza, we all want Madsen to do well. The criticism he’s received has been justified, but let’s forget that, we’ve won today. Enjoy it! [Post edited 30 Aug 20:53]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:35 - Aug 30 with 1651 views | BrianWilson |
I missed the 3rd goal but Dunne was having a right go at him after the 2nd goal as well. Suppose it's sort of his job now as captain but prefer to see encouragement myself. [Post edited 30 Aug 20:37]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:36 - Aug 30 with 1644 views | QPROslo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:06 - Aug 30 by Hunterhoop |
Gazza,
I enjoy your take on things buy that is poor form.
Last season he was broadly poor, especially so for how much he cost.
He does have weaknesses in his game. It’s silly to ignore them. Technically he looks very good, but you and I know midfield has a lot more to it than a pretty diag.
I thought he had one his best games for us. Started well, very good for the first half hour, including off the ball where he showed far more than he ever has done for us. He faded though as the game went on. The position he was taking up was very deep and very close to Mbengue which invites them on. Him and Varane disappeared from the game for much of the first half an hour of the second half.
That’s not to say he was poor today. He wasn’t. But he isn’t better than most of our players. He’s done nothing to justify that praise. He still needs to work harder, be more physical and not hide when the oppo is on top. But he is increasingly displaying his passing skills, which is good.
Encouraging, but a lot more to do. We ceded control of the midfield for most of that game to a pretty poor Charlton side, so I don’t think Varane and Madsen have cracked it by a long way. |
We did cede midfield to Charlton for periods especially 2nd half but that was no fault of our midfield. The ball was flying meters over their heads from Walshes long punts usually picked up by their players to come straight back at us. We kicked long far too often, I know because we have been so poor at playing out from the back, but we need to learn that because today's long kicking doesnt work when we do it often badly and nearly every time. We need to vary things and we still aren't a team of giants. Kone helps but he didnt win so much in the air. Replacing Walsh with Nardi might. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:48 - Aug 30 with 1584 views | vanrrrr |
Title of this thread should have been popular belief rather than firm
That’s bothering me more than it should | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:50 - Aug 30 with 1572 views | dmm |
We tend to think of Madsen as a good passer of the ball. But is he really? I watched him quite closely today and came to the conclusion that he's mainly a 'pot boiler'. By that I mean he keeps things cooking when we're in possession by passing the ball on quickly. Short, often first time balls.
That's okay as far as it goes but ultimately it's disappointing. If he's meant to be a good passer of the ball, where are the defence splitting balls? I may be wrong but I can't actually remember any since he's been with us.
He did well today and he does have ability. But for me, not enough to make a real mark on a game. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:00 - Aug 30 with 1524 views | StreathamRanger |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:50 - Aug 30 by dmm |
We tend to think of Madsen as a good passer of the ball. But is he really? I watched him quite closely today and came to the conclusion that he's mainly a 'pot boiler'. By that I mean he keeps things cooking when we're in possession by passing the ball on quickly. Short, often first time balls.
That's okay as far as it goes but ultimately it's disappointing. If he's meant to be a good passer of the ball, where are the defence splitting balls? I may be wrong but I can't actually remember any since he's been with us.
He did well today and he does have ability. But for me, not enough to make a real mark on a game. |
He's had a few decent assists when he had that good little run towards the end of last season. When he's bad he's baggage but he's also one of the only players capable of stitching play together.
Consistency is the key and rotating the squad. There'll be away games where it's just not the right environment for him like Millwall. If he can find consistency and the manager uses him correctly then he can be a useful player for us like he was today. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:01 - Aug 30 with 1514 views | ChrisNW6 |
Gazza quietly pulls pin from grenade, tosses over shoulder, heads out for the night and will check in on his good work tomorrow 🎣
Nice work | | | |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:12 - Aug 30 with 1459 views | QPROslo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:50 - Aug 30 by dmm |
We tend to think of Madsen as a good passer of the ball. But is he really? I watched him quite closely today and came to the conclusion that he's mainly a 'pot boiler'. By that I mean he keeps things cooking when we're in possession by passing the ball on quickly. Short, often first time balls.
That's okay as far as it goes but ultimately it's disappointing. If he's meant to be a good passer of the ball, where are the defence splitting balls? I may be wrong but I can't actually remember any since he's been with us.
He did well today and he does have ability. But for me, not enough to make a real mark on a game. |
He's made quite a few defence splitting balls in the last games of last season, got a number of assists with them.. He made some today I guess you missed. One long flatish ball straight to Smith which he couldnt control, another found Dunne who headed across goal for Norrinton-Davies to hit the post, another almost lying on the ground which very nearly got one ours free down the left, others too I think. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:25 - Aug 30 with 1417 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
I really don’t think anyone has ever argued the lad doesn’t have ability; it’s there for all to see and always has been. As a few others have pointed out, it’s his lack of physicality and his lack of consistency they gets him the stick. He looks ok to good when the game suits him. When we’re doing well for possession and territory. He does little to nothing to influence those things though.
He’s been labelled a luxury by many and though he had a decent game today, that’s kind of the bare minimum for a central midfielder in a 2 man midfield in the Championship. If that becomes his standard and he can improve upon it he’ll win people around.
I’m still very worried about that central midfield personally. It was still dominated for well over half the game today, at home, against a promoted team.
I thought most of the team seemed to run out of gas after 35 minutes or so to be honest so maybe that’s just as much to blame as the players in the midfield. Either way we need to find a way to win that midfield battle with a modicum of consistency if we’re going to have a remotely comfortable season. If you think Madsen is the answer to that after today Gazza that’s up to you. I’m no more sold personally. Maybe I’m just ‘uneducated’ though. [Post edited 30 Aug 21:26]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:27 - Aug 30 with 1383 views | QPunkR |
'Uneducated' fan here. Madsen was terrible almost all of last season. Today was certainly his best game for us. He played some good passes including that long ball to Smyth but also some misplaced passes.
In all, he definitely had a decent game including actually challenging for headers and tackles, unbelievably. But he needs to do that on a consistent basis.
Regardless of last season etc, good on him for raising his bar today [Post edited 30 Aug 21:33]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:30 - Aug 30 with 1378 views | EuroRanger |
I've been more positive on Madsen than most but I still wouldn't call it 'uneducated' to be critical of him. I think he's come back much improved from the summer, but still needs to bring the physicality (and mobility, even more, which I think comes from a lack of match fitness) up another few notches to really shine. He can clearly pick a pass though - his ball to Smyth today was a thing of beauty and probably deserved a goal.
There's a player in there that is just starting to peek out. I hope he continues to develop because then we might really have a player on our hands... If not, though, hopefully he shows enough to command a decent fee. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:31 - Aug 30 with 1364 views | WatfordR |
Honestly. All the years this daft old bugger has been posting this sort of thing and you still all fall for it.
The title in CAPITAL LETTERS SO YOU'LL ALL BE FORCED TO NOTICE IT.
The statement from a bloke who played a bit of semi pro football about 70 years ago treating you all as though you are punters who have no understanding at all of how football works.
The bloke who gets fed a little bit of inside info and then repeats it as though it's his view on what's happening.
Every bit as much a troll as the more obvious candidates on here.
Shocking. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:34 - Aug 30 with 1337 views | baz_qpr |
Crazy stat, Madsen won the same number of headers today as Morrison and Mbengue combined (5) (4+1) only Kone and Dunne won more.
He also made the most passes (40) other than Walsh (41) and the only QPR player to play a through ball [Post edited 30 Aug 21:38]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:38 - Aug 30 with 1293 views | CiderwithRsie |
I think he's good at the stuff he's good at, not so good at the stuff he's not good at.
OK, I know, statement of the obvious.
But what I mean is that I don't think he's the sort of midfield general who can transform a side (a Ray Wilkins, to pick up from the OP). Wilkins want't just a brilliant passer, he was a leader who knew the game inside out and didn't mind bollocking team-mates who weren't performing.
I think Madsen needs at least some of the other moving parts of the side to be working. Without those, he doesn't force his way into the game and contributes little or nothing, but if some of them are present he has something to work with and is useful. (Though I wonder if Vale might prove a better option.)
Him having a decent game today is a good sign not just because no-one wants to see any of our players fail, but because it suggests that the team overall is starting to come together. (I'm not putting it higher than that just yet.) | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:39 - Aug 30 with 1286 views | ParkRoyalR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:50 - Aug 30 by dmm |
We tend to think of Madsen as a good passer of the ball. But is he really? I watched him quite closely today and came to the conclusion that he's mainly a 'pot boiler'. By that I mean he keeps things cooking when we're in possession by passing the ball on quickly. Short, often first time balls.
That's okay as far as it goes but ultimately it's disappointing. If he's meant to be a good passer of the ball, where are the defence splitting balls? I may be wrong but I can't actually remember any since he's been with us.
He did well today and he does have ability. But for me, not enough to make a real mark on a game. |
Denis,
Nail hit squarely on the head,
Pot-boiler, recycler, whatever it's called,
It the role Andre Dozzell did, arguably better than Madsen and it drove me mad,
Quite a few times today he was in a better position than Varane and he flicked him a 10 yard semi-hospital ball when he could have turned and opened up play the way a Barry Bannan does,
We see on average maybe 1 decent pass a game and for the money we paid that is a dreadful return,
We're in a tough Division this year and we cannot afford to persevere with Project Madsen too much longer. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:47 - Aug 30 with 1211 views | ChrisNW6 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:38 - Aug 30 by CiderwithRsie |
I think he's good at the stuff he's good at, not so good at the stuff he's not good at.
OK, I know, statement of the obvious.
But what I mean is that I don't think he's the sort of midfield general who can transform a side (a Ray Wilkins, to pick up from the OP). Wilkins want't just a brilliant passer, he was a leader who knew the game inside out and didn't mind bollocking team-mates who weren't performing.
I think Madsen needs at least some of the other moving parts of the side to be working. Without those, he doesn't force his way into the game and contributes little or nothing, but if some of them are present he has something to work with and is useful. (Though I wonder if Vale might prove a better option.)
Him having a decent game today is a good sign not just because no-one wants to see any of our players fail, but because it suggests that the team overall is starting to come together. (I'm not putting it higher than that just yet.) |
Yep, summed up really well. It's like playing 'hot potato' short passes and not progressing, often putting pressure on another player, instead of taking ownership of the situation.
He's obviously a confidence player and needs some coaching to make more of his obvious abilities. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:57 - Aug 30 with 1173 views | gazza1 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:30 - Aug 30 by BazzaInTheLoft |
What education you got gazza? |
A lot more than 90% of you that post on here...........a very uneducated bunch basically. [Post edited 30 Aug 22:15]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:58 - Aug 30 with 1167 views | NorthLondonR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:47 - Aug 30 by ChrisNW6 |
Yep, summed up really well. It's like playing 'hot potato' short passes and not progressing, often putting pressure on another player, instead of taking ownership of the situation.
He's obviously a confidence player and needs some coaching to make more of his obvious abilities. |
It is strange how we form different opinions on a game. There wild howls of bemusement when Varane was substituted for Hayden, but for me, I love Varane, who looks at times silky smooth, but if you add it all up literally doesn't contribute an awful lot (all fur coat but no knickers one might comment). I thought when he was with withdrawn we had a much better sense of our purpose and players stepped up, but who am I am to judge?
Are we cooking yet? Are we? |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:59 - Aug 30 with 1163 views | ingeminate |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:47 - Aug 30 by ChrisNW6 |
Yep, summed up really well. It's like playing 'hot potato' short passes and not progressing, often putting pressure on another player, instead of taking ownership of the situation.
He's obviously a confidence player and needs some coaching to make more of his obvious abilities. |
Won 3 headers I saw - maybe more. Ran a man off the ball playing full back. Very nearly tackles someone. Lot of progressive passing, pass of the game to Smyth.
As a midfielder in a two he wasn’t always where he should have been and Varanne at times did two men’s jobs.
But much much better and far better than I expected before the game.
Can he play in a 2 away from home against a good team. I don’t think so,
but hope he proves me wrong.
Good game today and deserves plaudits - well done to the QPR superstore - maybe when you’re done motivating you could send out my order, only been 30 days! |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:04 - Aug 30 with 1139 views | gazza1 |
I have read most of the shite that has been posted by the uneducated......nobody has said why managers pick him if he is as bad as the uneducated suggest and think......I will tell you, he is a decent player for the team.
Varane off, Madsen stays on.....but he is still shite!!! | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:12 - Aug 30 with 1083 views | EalingHoop81 |
Madson’s issue is intensity and physicality for me coupled with mobility at times, however I think his touch and range of passing is excellent. He is not just a recycler of the ball, he plays a lot of one touch passes but they are usually insightful forward passes. He has a lovely first touch with the ability to play first time passes so doesn’t need multiple touches which should allow us to play quick incisive attacks and not keep slowing them down. With quick players around him, being able to play those passes is a real positive. That ball to Smyth was absolutely fabulous and if he’d taken it down, it would have been a great assist. The set piece routine where it was squared to him and he hit the diag to Dunne from which we nearly scored at the end of the first half was also excellent.
Dozell mainly played sideways or backwards.
He put himself about more and won a decent number of headers today. The headers were also actual headers, I.e. they went somewhere forward with a bit of distance, rather than a couple of feet which he was often guilty of last year.
He had a good game and I feared for us when I saw the team sheet.
Last game we won at home without Field in the side? | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:17 - Aug 30 with 1051 views | ingeminate |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:04 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
I have read most of the shite that has been posted by the uneducated......nobody has said why managers pick him if he is as bad as the uneducated suggest and think......I will tell you, he is a decent player for the team.
Varane off, Madsen stays on.....but he is still shite!!! |
Hold on - he had a good game today and I like him.
But you’re not saying overall he’s been good? Or even worse that anyone who thinks - overall - he hasn’t been good is uneducated 😂😂
Hopefully I’ve misunderstood …. | |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:17 - Aug 30 with 1051 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:57 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
A lot more than 90% of you that post on here...........a very uneducated bunch basically. [Post edited 30 Aug 22:15]
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You posted this in another thread tonight:
"The boy done good but defensively it was real poor from Caharlyon.
Overall he did a good 20 miuntes....fair play to him."
Think you might want to enquire about a refund on all that education you've received. | | | |
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