| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF 18:22 - Aug 30 with 23016 views | gazza1 |
Madsen is a decent footballer and far far better player than the uneducated supporter on this very MB can see. Selected again today to start and played another decent match adding to the opening game against PNE where he did a decent job as well. He was OK against Watford as well despite being ‘singled out’ as poor, etc, etc – he was not poor in ‘my book’. MB people need to actually look at what he does well. Left out at Coventry but soon introduced from half time replacing ‘fans favorite’ Morgan who was so so poor in the first half giving Coventry at least two of the goals that we conceded & giving the ball away time after time and very overrated generally by many posters.
Going back to today, he played next to Varane in a near defensive type role, he took many dead ball situations, and took them well, including a well saved free kick, some of his forward passes were very good indeed, passed the ball generally very well and at times very quickly to get attacks moving. Nothing wrong with his game today overall but I see that ParkRoyalRanger still finds time to disrespect him…….not surprising really when you know he thinks that Dykes is a good player and it is everyone elses fault!!!!
Madsen is one of our best footballers in the Team, ‘head & shoulders’ above many and it is sad that many can’t see it.
If Madsen is as poor, as many on this MB appear to think (& believe), then why is he being picked to play by the new Manager/Coach/CEO this season and, also, picked by Cleventes at the back end of last season, who is a many MB poster hero,, ……why would he be selected to start by those two, the coaches, if he is so poor??? He has been selected to start around 10 times out of 12 of our last matches
Now, he is not my favorite player and I do not think that Madsen is any Ray Wilkins but he is nowhere near as bad as many think, a very long way from it – worth a place in the starting 11, currently for sure, even keeping Sam Field off the field for the whole game. And by the way, those who cheered him sarcastically today should be ashamed of themselves.
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:21 - Aug 30 with 2435 views | superstan |
I remember Massimo Luongo seemed to be made a scapegoat which I never understood, he done ok in the end. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:22 - Aug 30 with 2429 views | gazza1 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:17 - Aug 30 by Padulas_Shampoo |
You posted this in another thread tonight:
"The boy done good but defensively it was real poor from Caharlyon.
Overall he did a good 20 miuntes....fair play to him."
Think you might want to enquire about a refund on all that education you've received. |
Never paid a 'pot'......just learnt it.
You should try it yourself!!!! | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:28 - Aug 30 with 2376 views | sdm1508 |
It's such a shame that after a reasonably good performance and well needed victory not just for the players and club but also the fanbase, that one insecure little man feels need to tell everyone how clever he thinks he is. When in that all he has shown us is what a c*** he is. All because some dare have a different opinion. [Post edited 30 Aug 22:33]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:35 - Aug 30 with 2318 views | gazza1 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:28 - Aug 30 by sdm1508 |
It's such a shame that after a reasonably good performance and well needed victory not just for the players and club but also the fanbase, that one insecure little man feels need to tell everyone how clever he thinks he is. When in that all he has shown us is what a c*** he is. All because some dare have a different opinion. [Post edited 30 Aug 22:33]
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I don't think that I am clever whatsoever.....what I think is people like you are uneducated when reviewing players performances. Likewise calling people c**ts shows your colours!!!! Moron!!! [Post edited 30 Aug 22:36]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:42 - Aug 30 with 2265 views | sdm1508 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:35 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
I don't think that I am clever whatsoever.....what I think is people like you are uneducated when reviewing players performances. Likewise calling people c**ts shows your colours!!!! Moron!!! [Post edited 30 Aug 22:36]
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Well actually I don't remember seeing the ts and a at the end of word. So you must have added that from past experience. Uneducated. Yeah ok cherub. The truly enlightened or educated can accept that there can be different opinions related to the same topic. They can give value to the conversation by sharing the view but also acknowledging the views of others. Or they can insult the majority who they feel don't agree with them and come across as superior. Sadly you took the latter, on a day when people should be happy for a much needed victory. I'll leave you to get ready for your call with Pep before their game tomorrow, oh football sage [Post edited 30 Aug 22:44]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:54 - Aug 30 with 2210 views | gazza1 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:06 - Aug 30 by Hunterhoop |
Gazza,
I enjoy your take on things buy that is poor form.
Last season he was broadly poor, especially so for how much he cost.
He does have weaknesses in his game. It’s silly to ignore them. Technically he looks very good, but you and I know midfield has a lot more to it than a pretty diag.
I thought he had one his best games for us. Started well, very good for the first half hour, including off the ball where he showed far more than he ever has done for us. He faded though as the game went on. The position he was taking up was very deep and very close to Mbengue which invites them on. Him and Varane disappeared from the game for much of the first half an hour of the second half.
That’s not to say he was poor today. He wasn’t. But he isn’t better than most of our players. He’s done nothing to justify that praise. He still needs to work harder, be more physical and not hide when the oppo is on top. But he is increasingly displaying his passing skills, which is good.
Encouraging, but a lot more to do. We ceded control of the midfield for most of that game to a pretty poor Charlton side, so I don’t think Varane and Madsen have cracked it by a long way. |
Not sure what you mean by 'poor form' Hunter.
He was pretty average last season, not interested on what he cost.
Of course he has weaknesses in his game....dont they all??
He was decent overall in the first half and, not only him, but the team faded after 20/25 minutes. Perhaps he played positionally where the coach wanted so I have no opinion about 'inviting' the oppo, perhaps that the what the coach wanted. WE struggles for a god 45 minutes after we scored , Team failure,
Technically Madsen is far better than most of our players, he passed the ball very well overall, better than most of them. He worked pretty hard today keeping his position, sure he doesn't run around like a 'headless chicken' bit he keeps himself busy. His pssing and striking of the ball is one of the bast and there were several times today where he displayed that, plus he takes many of our dead ball situation.
If he isn't good then why does he get selected??...and fans favourites like Morgan & Field are benched?? plus Varane gets substituted?? | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:07 - Aug 30 with 2148 views | gazza1 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:42 - Aug 30 by sdm1508 |
Well actually I don't remember seeing the ts and a at the end of word. So you must have added that from past experience. Uneducated. Yeah ok cherub. The truly enlightened or educated can accept that there can be different opinions related to the same topic. They can give value to the conversation by sharing the view but also acknowledging the views of others. Or they can insult the majority who they feel don't agree with them and come across as superior. Sadly you took the latter, on a day when people should be happy for a much needed victory. I'll leave you to get ready for your call with Pep before their game tomorrow, oh football sage [Post edited 30 Aug 22:44]
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Stop being a moron and calling people c**nts....poor play.
Most, like it or not, are uneducated regarding football.....cheering when Madsen wins a header or makes a tackle, it is poor.
I travelled on the central line and a bloke was slagging Madsen, I went to Westfields after the game and another supporter slagging Madsen....it is very wrong and suggests to me that they are very uneducated. It happens at the game as well.
Hence my post.....it is very wrong. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:18 - Aug 30 with 2085 views | Hunterhoop |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:54 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
Not sure what you mean by 'poor form' Hunter.
He was pretty average last season, not interested on what he cost.
Of course he has weaknesses in his game....dont they all??
He was decent overall in the first half and, not only him, but the team faded after 20/25 minutes. Perhaps he played positionally where the coach wanted so I have no opinion about 'inviting' the oppo, perhaps that the what the coach wanted. WE struggles for a god 45 minutes after we scored , Team failure,
Technically Madsen is far better than most of our players, he passed the ball very well overall, better than most of them. He worked pretty hard today keeping his position, sure he doesn't run around like a 'headless chicken' bit he keeps himself busy. His pssing and striking of the ball is one of the bast and there were several times today where he displayed that, plus he takes many of our dead ball situation.
If he isn't good then why does he get selected??...and fans favourites like Morgan & Field are benched?? plus Varane gets substituted?? |
Well, Madsen got hooked after 50 minutes against Watford? Don’t recall you saying because the manager hooked him he was playing badly. He was. He was dreadful. Myself and about 2,000 others there all through the same, as did a couple of Watford fans I spoke to after.
Managers make decisions on selections and substitutions every week based on a number of factors.
As I’ve said, today he had a very good first half an hour and then gradually faded. Like others? Yes, but you started a thread on Madsen.
And I agree that technically his touch and striking of a ball is good and one of the best in the squad. But you know full well that is only one small part of the game. There are lads all over cages and hackney marshes who can strike a good ball and/or have great close control and dribbling skills. Doesn’t make them a pro. You need to understand the game on and off the ball, work hard, compete, be physical, win duals, have an edge, follow instruction, be part of a team, tackle, head, track runners, body on the line, etc, if you play centre midfield.
He has a lot to improve. Last season he was woeful for a large part of it. But there were green shoots at the end of the season. Today was encouraging. Much better competing during the game. By no means the finished article but encouraging. Do I think he can play in a 2 man midfield against a top side in this league? No. Not yet.
Edit: “poor form” was you calling out anyone who doesn’t rate him as uneducated. That’s poor form. It’s more than a tad arrogant, and not accurate or fair. [Post edited 30 Aug 23:22]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:33 - Aug 30 with 2054 views | numptydumpty |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:57 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
A lot more than 90% of you that post on here...........a very uneducated bunch basically. [Post edited 30 Aug 22:15]
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The University of life - I am guessing....
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:49 - Aug 30 with 2017 views | ChrisNW6 |
Think we might need a recount for last season's POTY
and a recalibration of LFWs match ratings....we've all been so wrong. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 00:14 - Aug 31 with 1945 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:11 - Aug 30 by R_from_afar |
Shots fired  |
I thought it was a grenade  but as I read on its more of a surface to air missile taking down most of the LFW posters .
Lets take the 3 golden points hope the manager gets his system down,players back and we can beat Hollywood and go on a nice run |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 00:22 - Aug 31 with 1933 views | Cammington |
Lay off the sauce you dipsh!t.
He had a decent game today but to come on here and call out everyone who might not think he's the second coming of Francis as 'Uneducated'? F*ck off. What are you, his agent?
For a midfielder we dropped a couple of million on, this is the bare minimum |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 00:25 - Aug 31 with 1914 views | BlackCrowe |
Well i'm uneducated then. I think there's a footballer there, but completely unsuited to Championship cut and thrust...a luxury player if you will. Young Crowe is in Gazza's camp though...he rates him to the point that i get close to disowning him. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 00:41 - Aug 31 with 1877 views | NewYorkRanger |
Great ‘use’ of single ‘quote marks’ in the OP. Is it David Baddiel’s ‘ mother’?
We should be told |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 02:31 - Aug 31 with 1793 views | Match82 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:50 - Aug 30 by dmm |
We tend to think of Madsen as a good passer of the ball. But is he really? I watched him quite closely today and came to the conclusion that he's mainly a 'pot boiler'. By that I mean he keeps things cooking when we're in possession by passing the ball on quickly. Short, often first time balls.
That's okay as far as it goes but ultimately it's disappointing. If he's meant to be a good passer of the ball, where are the defence splitting balls? I may be wrong but I can't actually remember any since he's been with us.
He did well today and he does have ability. But for me, not enough to make a real mark on a game. |
Well he did literally play a defense splitting ball for Smyth today... |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 03:16 - Aug 31 with 1749 views | charmr |
How low the bar is now set at Rangers and spending 3/4 million pounds. Mental | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 07:54 - Aug 31 with 1525 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:57 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
A lot more than 90% of you that post on here...........a very uneducated bunch basically. [Post edited 30 Aug 22:15]
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We can all spell Gaza though. It's on the news every day. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:01 - Aug 31 with 1512 views | sdm1508 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:07 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
Stop being a moron and calling people c**nts....poor play.
Most, like it or not, are uneducated regarding football.....cheering when Madsen wins a header or makes a tackle, it is poor.
I travelled on the central line and a bloke was slagging Madsen, I went to Westfields after the game and another supporter slagging Madsen....it is very wrong and suggests to me that they are very uneducated. It happens at the game as well.
Hence my post.....it is very wrong. |
At no point have I called you a c**t.i put c***. You filled in the blanks and came up with that. Obviously if you went to that, that on you or it just from experience
Also what you hear are peoples opinion just like yours is an opinion. What makes you think yours has more weight behind it than anyone else's. Did you do really well on football manager? [Post edited 31 Aug 8:03]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:38 - Aug 31 with 1390 views | Paddyhoops |
Thought Madsen was pretty decent yesterday.. but we did lose control of the midfield for large periods either side of the half time break . Very similar to the Knob end game.
That wasn’t just on Madsen . Difference between the two sides was the quality of Saito and Kone .
We all want Madsen to succeed but one swallow doesn’t make a summer as the say .
Much better though yesterday which is very encouraging. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:38 - Aug 31 with 1385 views | LadbrokeR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:07 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
Stop being a moron and calling people c**nts....poor play.
Most, like it or not, are uneducated regarding football.....cheering when Madsen wins a header or makes a tackle, it is poor.
I travelled on the central line and a bloke was slagging Madsen, I went to Westfields after the game and another supporter slagging Madsen....it is very wrong and suggests to me that they are very uneducated. It happens at the game as well.
Hence my post.....it is very wrong. |
I was completely oblivious to the notion that we’re being judged by either our academic credentials and/or our football knowledge and experience. This is a ridiculously cringeworthy statement. I may I or may not be uneducated but football is all about subjective opinions right from us to the MOTD panel. For what it’s worth madsen played fairly well. That said I’ve be quick to say he’s shown zero pace presence and contribution. I hope he goes to continue to prove me wrong. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF (n/t) on 08:41 - Aug 31 with 1363 views | LadbrokeR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:07 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
Stop being a moron and calling people c**nts....poor play.
Most, like it or not, are uneducated regarding football.....cheering when Madsen wins a header or makes a tackle, it is poor.
I travelled on the central line and a bloke was slagging Madsen, I went to Westfields after the game and another supporter slagging Madsen....it is very wrong and suggests to me that they are very uneducated. It happens at the game as well.
Hence my post.....it is very wrong. |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:46 - Aug 31 with 1329 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Just had a look in the attic and found my BTEC National Diploma in Danish Midfield Milksoppery. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:53 - Aug 31 with 1275 views | LadbrokeR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:46 - Aug 31 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Just had a look in the attic and found my BTEC National Diploma in Danish Midfield Milksoppery. |
That’s brilliant | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:12 - Aug 31 with 1235 views | BristolR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:46 - Aug 31 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Just had a look in the attic and found my BTEC National Diploma in Danish Midfield Milksoppery. |
Thought it would gone sour by now Baz
Bit like this thread in fact |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:26 - Aug 31 with 1191 views | JamesB1979 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:36 - Aug 30 by QPROslo |
We did cede midfield to Charlton for periods especially 2nd half but that was no fault of our midfield. The ball was flying meters over their heads from Walshes long punts usually picked up by their players to come straight back at us. We kicked long far too often, I know because we have been so poor at playing out from the back, but we need to learn that because today's long kicking doesnt work when we do it often badly and nearly every time. We need to vary things and we still aren't a team of giants. Kone helps but he didnt win so much in the air. Replacing Walsh with Nardi might. |
Charlton didn’t really play through the midfield either. They did long balls to compete or into spaces, our defenders lost their battles and they built pressure from there. Agree that not sure we can blame midfield. | | | |
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