| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF 18:22 - Aug 30 with 23014 views | gazza1 |
Madsen is a decent footballer and far far better player than the uneducated supporter on this very MB can see. Selected again today to start and played another decent match adding to the opening game against PNE where he did a decent job as well. He was OK against Watford as well despite being ‘singled out’ as poor, etc, etc – he was not poor in ‘my book’. MB people need to actually look at what he does well. Left out at Coventry but soon introduced from half time replacing ‘fans favorite’ Morgan who was so so poor in the first half giving Coventry at least two of the goals that we conceded & giving the ball away time after time and very overrated generally by many posters.
Going back to today, he played next to Varane in a near defensive type role, he took many dead ball situations, and took them well, including a well saved free kick, some of his forward passes were very good indeed, passed the ball generally very well and at times very quickly to get attacks moving. Nothing wrong with his game today overall but I see that ParkRoyalRanger still finds time to disrespect him…….not surprising really when you know he thinks that Dykes is a good player and it is everyone elses fault!!!!
Madsen is one of our best footballers in the Team, ‘head & shoulders’ above many and it is sad that many can’t see it.
If Madsen is as poor, as many on this MB appear to think (& believe), then why is he being picked to play by the new Manager/Coach/CEO this season and, also, picked by Cleventes at the back end of last season, who is a many MB poster hero,, ……why would he be selected to start by those two, the coaches, if he is so poor??? He has been selected to start around 10 times out of 12 of our last matches
Now, he is not my favorite player and I do not think that Madsen is any Ray Wilkins but he is nowhere near as bad as many think, a very long way from it – worth a place in the starting 11, currently for sure, even keeping Sam Field off the field for the whole game. And by the way, those who cheered him sarcastically today should be ashamed of themselves.
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:27 - Aug 31 with 2564 views | Esox_Lucius |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:04 - Aug 30 by Superhoops2808 |
Unfortunately, this has club MUST have a boo boy and we have many over the years and no matter how they perform on any given day it is not good enough in some peoples eyes
I feel sorry for Madsen because with Celar now gone he will be the main target of the trolls. Hopefully he can continue his performance today after the break and we get to enjoy good performances from him that he has shown glimpses of
Even I have my boo boy so I am guilty too but mine is Walsh and its so frustrating seeing Nardi just sat there but there we go |
Watch the Plymouth game again. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:30 - Aug 31 with 2551 views | JamesB1979 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 18:42 - Aug 30 by ParkRoyalR |
We won the game thanks to Saito,
We've struggled against two very poor teams at home,
We struggled to dominate possession, created very very few chances and are hoping our big money playmaker signing comes good,
Let's just hope he does ( by the way was a poor free kick, no where near enough to the post and to close to the Keeper for an easy save)
Kone feds off scraps all game as we lacked a quality passer until Saito came on, great finish to close the game mind. |
How can you call a free kick on target low towards the corner a “poor free kick”. What do you call one that goes straight into the wall or over the bar or straight at the keeper then? It was a decent free kick. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:35 - Aug 31 with 2516 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:30 - Aug 31 by JamesB1979 |
How can you call a free kick on target low towards the corner a “poor free kick”. What do you call one that goes straight into the wall or over the bar or straight at the keeper then? It was a decent free kick. |
To be fair, it was nowhere near the corner. They left a gap in their wall and he hit the ball into that gap as hard as he could, but it was always going to be saved, imo. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:38 - Aug 31 with 2488 views | francisbowles |
Gazza, I pretty much agree with you on Madsen. He is a very talented player who has had difficulty, and although improving, continues to struggle adapting to the British game and the Championship.
He is improving but supporters can be cynical and can have entrenched views. He will have to continue to improve and show he can battle for 90 minutes plus, before he can win over those that spot the bad before the good.
You friend, are being very arrogant with your fellow supporters on this MB. You need to wind it in a bit. You've made a good point in your post but insulted quite a few in the process; You have doubled down and continued to add 'fuel to the fire' when some have given a bit back. It's time to de-escalate. An apology for the 'uneducated' bit would a good thing. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:43 - Aug 31 with 2454 views | Watford_Ranger |
He had a really good first half hour. Why he left the pitch and didn’t return after that I don’t know. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:51 - Aug 31 with 2424 views | Philothesuperhoop |
I agree that he had one of his better games yesterday, but I’m still not convinced to be honest.
He can pass and takes a decent set piece and would be great if football was a no contact sport! But he is just too weak to play in centre mid. The championship is very very physical, and he isn’t.
The Vale selection yesterday was out of the blue, because I would play Madsen at ten, where his skills may be useful without leaving us exposed in the middle where he rarely physically competes.
He tends to shine in games against weaker opposition - we need someone in the middle who can help shift the dial when we are up against it. He isn’t that player. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:02 - Aug 31 with 2358 views | Discodroids |
Alas I left school with only one CSE grade 5 in home economics, which involved making a butterscotch Angel delight and sifting some Mothers pride into a pyrex.
That withstanding, I do remember thinking that philosophical argumentation can only be achieved via the prism of Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics and underpinned by cicero's theorem on mankinds hierarchy of needs, As Madsen launched an attempted 5 yard pass into the sea of fecundity at home to Preston. [Post edited 31 Aug 10:07]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:22 - Aug 31 with 2274 views | sdm1508 |
I think Madsen is a very cultured player. Understands a lot of the time what pass is required and how to execute it. His head level pass that he pinged to Smyth was great. It was also good to see him covering his teammates and also using some physicality. I think there are still too many moments currently where the intensity drops. A silly or lazy pass. There was a moment yesterday where there was a Charlton player between him and our defender. I think he tried to play it through his legs,gave the ball to him and they broke on us. Yes any player can do that but it was something I remembered. If he can go in with the mindset that he is going to influence the game and for want of a better phrase, take it by the scuff of the neck, then I think with his technical ability he can do that. Maybe a confidence thing, but when its getting tough, demand the ball as he has the ability to get us playing again, rather than hide from it. | | | |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:39 - Aug 31 with 2210 views | Clive_Anderson |
Good to see after all these years gazza is still coming up with contrary takes on a player and then arguing about it on message boards all day  | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:44 - Aug 31 with 2191 views | Paddyhoops |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:02 - Aug 31 by Discodroids |
Alas I left school with only one CSE grade 5 in home economics, which involved making a butterscotch Angel delight and sifting some Mothers pride into a pyrex.
That withstanding, I do remember thinking that philosophical argumentation can only be achieved via the prism of Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics and underpinned by cicero's theorem on mankinds hierarchy of needs, As Madsen launched an attempted 5 yard pass into the sea of fecundity at home to Preston. [Post edited 31 Aug 10:07]
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Butterscotch angel delight . Heaven . | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 11:06 - Aug 31 with 2126 views | Lblock |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 10:02 - Aug 31 by Discodroids |
Alas I left school with only one CSE grade 5 in home economics, which involved making a butterscotch Angel delight and sifting some Mothers pride into a pyrex.
That withstanding, I do remember thinking that philosophical argumentation can only be achieved via the prism of Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics and underpinned by cicero's theorem on mankinds hierarchy of needs, As Madsen launched an attempted 5 yard pass into the sea of fecundity at home to Preston. [Post edited 31 Aug 10:07]
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Weren’t you in the same art class as Rodney Trotter? |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 11:11 - Aug 31 with 2104 views | willo |
Please educate me Gazza. Who or what on God's green earth is Cleventes? |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 11:43 - Aug 31 with 1995 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 23:07 - Aug 30 by gazza1 |
Stop being a moron and calling people c**nts....poor play.
Most, like it or not, are uneducated regarding football.....cheering when Madsen wins a header or makes a tackle, it is poor.
I travelled on the central line and a bloke was slagging Madsen, I went to Westfields after the game and another supporter slagging Madsen....it is very wrong and suggests to me that they are very uneducated. It happens at the game as well.
Hence my post.....it is very wrong. |
What's the word behind the censorship here? Counts? Chants?
But yeah sure, it's all of us that are 'uneducated'. |  | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 12:02 - Aug 31 with 1921 views | ParkRoyalR |
Gazza,
Fair play for defending Madsen and you may have played a higher level of football than I but lots of very good footballers make really poor Coaches,
When I played and captained teams No 1 on my team talk was......
'When we are in possession, not matter where you are on the pitch, be ready to receive a pass'....reason being you have then got 10 outfield players giving an option,
Whether you agree with this or not, watch Madesn closely in the next home game and just count how many times he's unavailable to take a pass,
Also count how many times he moves (slowly or quickly) into space to lose his marker and be in a position to receive the ball, (and lets forget about those nonsense 'hot potato' passes to other our defensive midfielders as its not their role to then travel 20-30 yards and open up play or play a defence splitting long ball)
I think we lost control of that game yesterday as we were playing a man down, others have different views of course, but do watch him closely next time and think if you were playing as a defender and you're looking up to pass the ball short, ask yourself how many times he's not hiding (through lack of fitness or desire) and showing for the ball,
And if you really want to cut a player some slack, maybe lay-off our £300 Development Squad player who manfully stepped up last season after also getting the Central Line to and from the game, a boy who played like a man, while a n other felt sorry for himself. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 19:42 - Aug 31 with 1701 views | BlackCrowe |
Madsen had a decent first half yesterday and faded badly in the second. If he's genuinely one of the precious 11 on the teamsheet each week, we ain't progressing. He may prove me wrong and become undroppable but based on last season and the season so far, he's a squad player at best. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 19:59 - Aug 31 with 1647 views | QPROslo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 19:42 - Aug 31 by BlackCrowe |
Madsen had a decent first half yesterday and faded badly in the second. If he's genuinely one of the precious 11 on the teamsheet each week, we ain't progressing. He may prove me wrong and become undroppable but based on last season and the season so far, he's a squad player at best. |
Don't agree Madsen faded badly 2nd half, he played very well 1st half, not quite so well 2nd half, but did manage the full 90. Both he and Varanne missed a lot of pre-season and from a far don't look like they are 100 % fit yet. But the good news is with the 2 week break they should be getting fully fit soon. [Post edited 31 Aug 20:00]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:05 - Aug 31 with 1627 views | BlackCrowe |
Yeah not sure i agree Oslo. His fading coincided with Charlton looking the likely winners after they equalised until Koki did his thing. The midfield was lost up until then. | |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:13 - Aug 31 with 1529 views | QPROslo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 20:05 - Aug 31 by BlackCrowe |
Yeah not sure i agree Oslo. His fading coincided with Charlton looking the likely winners after they equalised until Koki did his thing. The midfield was lost up until then. |
I thought we lost the midfield for periods due to the continual long mostly inaccurate goal kicks from Walsh that flew 20 meters over our midfield. Sometimes we need to play out from the back, vary our play. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:41 - Aug 31 with 1470 views | simmo |
Obviously I'm just an 'uneducated supporter', and I feel that these constant Madsen discussions are getting boring, but he was a fckin disgrace against Watford and looked better yesterday because we went more direct and he didn't have the pressure of playing out / through midfield.
He's got a great pass with time and when not under pressure, but as soon as things get difficult he melts.
We were screaming for a progressive 8 style CM when we bought him, and we still need one now. Let's hope he comes good, but he's got a long way to go with me personally to recover this first year of being shit. |  |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 22:41 - Aug 31 with 1375 views | QPunkR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 21:41 - Aug 31 by simmo |
Obviously I'm just an 'uneducated supporter', and I feel that these constant Madsen discussions are getting boring, but he was a fckin disgrace against Watford and looked better yesterday because we went more direct and he didn't have the pressure of playing out / through midfield.
He's got a great pass with time and when not under pressure, but as soon as things get difficult he melts.
We were screaming for a progressive 8 style CM when we bought him, and we still need one now. Let's hope he comes good, but he's got a long way to go with me personally to recover this first year of being shit. |
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:40 - Sep 1 with 1178 views | gazza1 |
Thank you for your kind words fellow QPR supporters, sorry you took my wording with so much difficulty .......I just do not have the time or inclination to respond to you all but I read them all with much interest and thanks for your comments about Madsen (& myself), as I said 'interesting'.......however, I did not see any poster answer my question about why Madsen has been selected to start in most of the last 12/15 matches by two, if not 3, professional football people picking the team, just wondered why that should be when so so many 'slag him' as much as they possibly can and say how poor he is, etc, etc, etc. Any clues???
One last thing.....A personal conversation between the Coach & Madsen goes something like this…..
Coach: Nicolas, you are in, starting, on Saturday against Charlton.
Nicolas: Thanks Gaffer, looking forward to it.
Coach: I want you on free kicks, corners and dead ball situations as much as possible. If there is a free kick outside of the box I want you to strike it for goal.
Nicolas: OK Gaffer that’s fine, thanks.
Nicolas: Gaffer, I do not understand it but many of the Supporters appear to not see it your way and give me grief.
Coach: Don’t worry about the Supporters Nicolas, most of them do not understand, just get out there and play. Good luck son.
Nicolas: Thanks Gaffer. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:43 - Sep 1 with 1167 views | LadbrokeR |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:38 - Aug 31 by francisbowles |
Gazza, I pretty much agree with you on Madsen. He is a very talented player who has had difficulty, and although improving, continues to struggle adapting to the British game and the Championship.
He is improving but supporters can be cynical and can have entrenched views. He will have to continue to improve and show he can battle for 90 minutes plus, before he can win over those that spot the bad before the good.
You friend, are being very arrogant with your fellow supporters on this MB. You need to wind it in a bit. You've made a good point in your post but insulted quite a few in the process; You have doubled down and continued to add 'fuel to the fire' when some have given a bit back. It's time to de-escalate. An apology for the 'uneducated' bit would a good thing. |
Exactly this | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:52 - Sep 1 with 1139 views | LadbrokeR |
I’m sorry that you took my words with such difficulty. Really - Stated simply you’re sorry that we don’t agree with you’re view that people are uneducated. I’m impressed with your levels of self reflection. Jeez. | | | |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:01 - Sep 1 with 1100 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:52 - Sep 1 by LadbrokeR |
I’m sorry that you took my words with such difficulty. Really - Stated simply you’re sorry that we don’t agree with you’re view that people are uneducated. I’m impressed with your levels of self reflection. Jeez. |
Without a doubt the cringiest thread I've ever seen on here.
If his name weren't Gary I'd assume he were a teenager in his bedroom, furiously masturbating over all the rage he's trolled. But given his name is Gary, he must be at least 40/50. Very sad really. [Post edited 1 Sep 9:10]
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| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:07 - Sep 1 with 1083 views | sdm1508 |
| CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:40 - Sep 1 by gazza1 |
Thank you for your kind words fellow QPR supporters, sorry you took my wording with so much difficulty .......I just do not have the time or inclination to respond to you all but I read them all with much interest and thanks for your comments about Madsen (& myself), as I said 'interesting'.......however, I did not see any poster answer my question about why Madsen has been selected to start in most of the last 12/15 matches by two, if not 3, professional football people picking the team, just wondered why that should be when so so many 'slag him' as much as they possibly can and say how poor he is, etc, etc, etc. Any clues???
One last thing.....A personal conversation between the Coach & Madsen goes something like this…..
Coach: Nicolas, you are in, starting, on Saturday against Charlton.
Nicolas: Thanks Gaffer, looking forward to it.
Coach: I want you on free kicks, corners and dead ball situations as much as possible. If there is a free kick outside of the box I want you to strike it for goal.
Nicolas: OK Gaffer that’s fine, thanks.
Nicolas: Gaffer, I do not understand it but many of the Supporters appear to not see it your way and give me grief.
Coach: Don’t worry about the Supporters Nicolas, most of them do not understand, just get out there and play. Good luck son.
Nicolas: Thanks Gaffer. |
Wow. A fly on the wall as well as a c***. Someone can multitask. Also no 't' in that little C word. If your mind is gravitating towards other options, maybe you are subconsciously aware you are acting like one | | | |
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