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Madsen is a decent footballer and far far better player than the uneducated supporter on this very MB can see. Selected again today to start and played another decent match adding to the opening game against PNE where he did a decent job as well. He was OK against Watford as well despite being ‘singled out’ as poor, etc, etc – he was not poor in ‘my book’. MB people need to actually look at what he does well. Left out at Coventry but soon introduced from half time replacing ‘fans favorite’ Morgan who was so so poor in the first half giving Coventry at least two of the goals that we conceded & giving the ball away time after time and very overrated generally by many posters.
Going back to today, he played next to Varane in a near defensive type role, he took many dead ball situations, and took them well, including a well saved free kick, some of his forward passes were very good indeed, passed the ball generally very well and at times very quickly to get attacks moving. Nothing wrong with his game today overall but I see that ParkRoyalRanger still finds time to disrespect him…….not surprising really when you know he thinks that Dykes is a good player and it is everyone elses fault!!!!
Madsen is one of our best footballers in the Team, ‘head & shoulders’ above many and it is sad that many can’t see it.
If Madsen is as poor, as many on this MB appear to think (& believe), then why is he being picked to play by the new Manager/Coach/CEO this season and, also, picked by Cleventes at the back end of last season, who is a many MB poster hero,, ……why would he be selected to start by those two, the coaches, if he is so poor??? He has been selected to start around 10 times out of 12 of our last matches
Now, he is not my favorite player and I do not think that Madsen is any Ray Wilkins but he is nowhere near as bad as many think, a very long way from it – worth a place in the starting 11, currently for sure, even keeping Sam Field off the field for the whole game. And by the way, those who cheered him sarcastically today should be ashamed of themselves.
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:11 - Sep 1 with 2743 views
CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 09:35 - Aug 31 by BrianMcCarthy
To be fair, it was nowhere near the corner. They left a gap in their wall and he hit the ball into that gap as hard as he could, but it was always going to be saved, imo.
"It was always going to be saved"?
Are you referencing 'delayed choice Quantum eraser theory' Brian? Or have you converted to Calvinism?
I think he's okay, not sure why he gets so much stick. That being said I really rate Field and don't always see it with Varane - which going off Twitter is a reason to be hung.
That first time pass to Smyth, on a rolling ball, was ludicrous and he clearly has a bit about him. It's just a shame he runs like he's trying to stop a colostomy bag from leaking (and that's from someone that would know) and has p*ss running down his legs if he has to go in for a 50-50 or header.
Also, think sometimes with him the bar is so low that a few glimpses get over hyped but he did okay on Saturday. Can understand why he gets minutes, he's the only player in the team that can actually pass (Chair/JCS exempt).
I think Madsen is arguably the best passer of the ball and best set piece taker we have currently, although that is partly a reflection of how poor the others are at such things.
However, the intensity and organisation with which teams in the Championship play these days is such that all ten outfield players need to work very hard when we don't have the ball.
Tracking back, marking, pressing and tackling are vitally important, in my humble opinion, but these are attributes which Madsen is yet to consistently display.
In my view, this is problematic because the only players a team can afford to excuse such duties are those who regularly make a large number of game-changing contributions, e.g. a lot of goals or a conveyor belt of assists.
I do think he has started making more meaningful contributions recently but it's at the times when we don't have the ball that Madsen really needs to up his game.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 12:13 - Sep 1 with 2199 views
CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 08:40 - Sep 1 by gazza1
Thank you for your kind words fellow QPR supporters, sorry you took my wording with so much difficulty .......I just do not have the time or inclination to respond to you all but I read them all with much interest and thanks for your comments about Madsen (& myself), as I said 'interesting'.......however, I did not see any poster answer my question about why Madsen has been selected to start in most of the last 12/15 matches by two, if not 3, professional football people picking the team, just wondered why that should be when so so many 'slag him' as much as they possibly can and say how poor he is, etc, etc, etc. Any clues???
One last thing.....A personal conversation between the Coach & Madsen goes something like this…..
Coach: Nicolas, you are in, starting, on Saturday against Charlton. Nicolas: Thanks Gaffer, looking forward to it. Coach: I want you on free kicks, corners and dead ball situations as much as possible. If there is a free kick outside of the box I want you to strike it for goal. Nicolas: OK Gaffer that’s fine, thanks. Nicolas: Gaffer, I do not understand it but many of the Supporters appear to not see it your way and give me grief. Coach: Don’t worry about the Supporters Nicolas, most of them do not understand, just get out there and play. Good luck son. Nicolas: Thanks Gaffer.
Gazza
There’s a couple of complications to the scenario:
1) the set piece coach reports to the CEO, not the coach (AKA Gaffer - NotGaffer), so I’m not sure that conversation would have gone the way it’s presented.
2) Madsen’s Captain appears to have taken some umbrage with his performance, alongside some of us fans.
If I was Madsen, I’d take the second point fairly seriously - unless we assume his colleagues are uneducated too.
As for the coach’s selection, how many of those games did we win when Madsen played ? Not many.
Charlton, Sunderland, PNE & Oxford spring to mind and let’s not forget that there was a period when Cifuentes wasn’t selecting him at all.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 12:50 - Sep 1 with 2072 views
Yeah, what was that all about? I know Dunne is the captain now, but given what we know about Madsens mentality an on the pitch bollocking might not be the best carrot for this lad.
I'm not sure Dunne had a massive stable base to come from, as I thought he had a very average game
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 14:06 - Sep 1 with 1975 views
Yeah, what was that all about? I know Dunne is the captain now, but given what we know about Madsens mentality an on the pitch bollocking might not be the best carrot for this lad.
I'm not sure Dunne had a massive stable base to come from, as I thought he had a very average game
Who can tell ?!? Think it was Hayden stepping in to calm things down.
I’ve seen Morrison and Cook shout at him quite a bit too, but not so much recently.
I hope they all settle down, get together and EVERYONE improves for the next batch of games.
Would be great to see a full 90min performance and an away result when we get back.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 14:47 - Sep 1 with 1900 views
Yeah, what was that all about? I know Dunne is the captain now, but given what we know about Madsens mentality an on the pitch bollocking might not be the best carrot for this lad.
I'm not sure Dunne had a massive stable base to come from, as I thought he had a very average game
So Dunne is only able to set an acceptable standard within a match when he's playing well?
Surely that's the entire point of a captain or any hierarchical structure within the squad. We constantly hear and talk about the squad badly missing leaders, then our captain acts like one and he gets criticised too?
In any case given that Madsen is now being anointed as Platini / Zidane mk ii after one decent game (or two thirds ish of one anyway) perhaps the bollocking from his captain is exactly what he needs in order for him to show for the ball, pass it forwards and occasionally threaten the opposition with a tackle.
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:15 - Sep 1 with 1848 views
I agree that Madsen has a touch of Ray Wilkins about him. Some of his passing is sublime. Wilkins didn't get stuck in as I recall not did he head the ball or help out the defence, but he had Barker and Holloway to do his running for him.. Clearly some people .have made up their minds that he is to be this season's scapegoat, but he has far more talent than fans favourites Dunne and Field.
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:43 - Sep 1 with 1764 views
CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:15 - Sep 1 by Pindarus
I agree that Madsen has a touch of Ray Wilkins about him. Some of his passing is sublime. Wilkins didn't get stuck in as I recall not did he head the ball or help out the defence, but he had Barker and Holloway to do his running for him.. Clearly some people .have made up their minds that he is to be this season's scapegoat, but he has far more talent than fans favourites Dunne and Field.
I think the overall opinion is trending towards the position that he’s improved compared to last season. Quite a low bar, but heading in a better direction.
He’s still got a long way to go, especially if he deserves any comparison with Ray. WWCs or no WWCs ! Maybe a cheeky Tango ad would help ?
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 16:23 - Sep 1 with 1696 views
CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:15 - Sep 1 by Pindarus
I agree that Madsen has a touch of Ray Wilkins about him. Some of his passing is sublime. Wilkins didn't get stuck in as I recall not did he head the ball or help out the defence, but he had Barker and Holloway to do his running for him.. Clearly some people .have made up their minds that he is to be this season's scapegoat, but he has far more talent than fans favourites Dunne and Field.
More talented than Dunne because he can pass the ball well if nobody tries to stop him. Superb. Also getting mentioned in the same breath as Ray Wilkins should be a police matter.
We're all agreed that he can pass a nice ball, he's technically very good - even the biggest naysayers can't deny that. Unfortunately the issue is that the circumstances need to be perfect for him to not be a liability. When there's pressure, when the midfield is packed, when we need someone to put their hand up, show for the ball, impose themselves in the most important part of the pitch, he HIDES. He literally points away from himself when people are looking up for an option.
Until I see him doing otherwise and showing *consistently* that he's adapted to the mental and physical demands of a Championship midfield, he will remain a taller and much more expensive Andre Dozzell.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 16:38 - Sep 1 with 1632 views
CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 15:15 - Sep 1 by Pindarus
I agree that Madsen has a touch of Ray Wilkins about him. Some of his passing is sublime. Wilkins didn't get stuck in as I recall not did he head the ball or help out the defence, but he had Barker and Holloway to do his running for him.. Clearly some people .have made up their minds that he is to be this season's scapegoat, but he has far more talent than fans favourites Dunne and Field.
Wilkins was 100% committed, drove his team-mates on relentlessly, on and off the pitch. He changed our club like very few others - Gregory, Marsh, Bowles, Venables - he's in that group.
Yes, he was immensely talented. Yes, he was short. Yes he was over thirty. But let's not get him wrong now: the QPR's Ray Wilkins was a Gent, but he was no dillitante. He was a dog.
He played with purpose, with drive, with a fierce and relentless determination. The man was a born winner.
And he did tackle, and he did head. And, yes, he did help out the defence.
He played the ref, he played the oppo. He bollocked his players. When we scored he was in their ear, he had an arm around them but he was in their ear. When they made a mistake he was in their ear, an arm around them but he was in their ear. They loved him, but he never let up.
That man drove the standards of our club for the best part of a decade.
Wilkins was one of QPR's greatest: not just because of his talent, but because of his raw hunger and raw determination. A winner.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 17:06 - Sep 1 by BrianMcCarthy
Wilkins was 100% committed, drove his team-mates on relentlessly, on and off the pitch. He changed our club like very few others - Gregory, Marsh, Bowles, Venables - he's in that group.
Yes, he was immensely talented. Yes, he was short. Yes he was over thirty. But let's not get him wrong now: the QPR's Ray Wilkins was a Gent, but he was no dillitante. He was a dog.
He played with purpose, with drive, with a fierce and relentless determination. The man was a born winner.
And he did tackle, and he did head. And, yes, he did help out the defence.
He played the ref, he played the oppo. He bollocked his players. When we scored he was in their ear, he had an arm around them but he was in their ear. When they made a mistake he was in their ear, an arm around them but he was in their ear. They loved him, but he never let up.
That man drove the standards of our club for the best part of a decade.
Wilkins was one of QPR's greatest: not just because of his talent, but because of his raw hunger and raw determination. A winner.
Nicolas Madsen also plays midfield.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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CONTRARY to FIRM BELIEF on 18:07 - Sep 1 with 1401 views
So Dunne is only able to set an acceptable standard within a match when he's playing well?
Surely that's the entire point of a captain or any hierarchical structure within the squad. We constantly hear and talk about the squad badly missing leaders, then our captain acts like one and he gets criticised too?
In any case given that Madsen is now being anointed as Platini / Zidane mk ii after one decent game (or two thirds ish of one anyway) perhaps the bollocking from his captain is exactly what he needs in order for him to show for the ball, pass it forwards and occasionally threaten the opposition with a tackle.
Part of good man management is knowing who to rant at and when The only manager in England to get consistent performances out of Adel was Warnock. Do you think Adel responded well to being ranted at?
I’m happy to see Madsen play slightly better. The club have taken a big gamble on him becoming a player, maybe there is something there, let’s hope so
I think Jimmy was exposed for that game and didn’t get much help from midfield. After last season he has set a high bar for his performances and he was below that imho
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