| Marti, stick or twist? 18:34 - Apr 18 with 74582 views | Gloucs_R |
I'm really hoping all of the rumours about Marti leaving at the end of the season are untrue.
Consistency is absolutely key for us.
I think he's doing a decent job, definitely had his challenges this year.
What is everyone else's view?
Gary O'Neill would be my alternative if he were to depart. But I would much rather he was here next season. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:07 - Apr 19 with 2991 views | highleverhoopL |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 20:40 - Apr 18 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
She’s (Alison Clarkson). a QPR fan, doncha know. |
And played in the same team at the Harrow Club as a young Dennis Wise. Allegedly... |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 18:03 - Apr 19 with 2852 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Don’t think it’s the club’s stick or twist situation.
If Marti leaves it will be because he wants to and has another job to go to which he feels is a better prospect for his career or more money.
Can’t see him leaving with no job to go to and cannot see the club wanting to pay him off or incur the wrath of the fans as they know how popular he is.
Hope he stays for next season and would be surprised if many clubs he’d be interested in would be willing to pay us compensation for his services based on this season. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:02 - Apr 19 with 2722 views | Jevlar |
Has this been said already but how can it not be ‘stick’?
Marti has had some daft injuries to deal with this season, a weird rabble of a squad made up of ‘culture guardians’ or whatever Ainsworth called them, saved us twice from relegation with games to spare and some enjoyable matches to boot and then throw in the nut case that is our club.
I’d be gutted if he and Xavi left. Proper manager who knows what he’s doing and has ambition. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:31 - Apr 19 with 2665 views | JimmyR |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:02 - Apr 19 by Jevlar |
Has this been said already but how can it not be ‘stick’?
Marti has had some daft injuries to deal with this season, a weird rabble of a squad made up of ‘culture guardians’ or whatever Ainsworth called them, saved us twice from relegation with games to spare and some enjoyable matches to boot and then throw in the nut case that is our club.
I’d be gutted if he and Xavi left. Proper manager who knows what he’s doing and has ambition. |
Stick I hope | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:51 - Apr 19 with 2435 views | GroveR |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:35 - Apr 19 by Rsole |
We are mostly agreed it seems (apart from Stainers who is AWOL), but it’s an interesting situation for Nourry to handle.
Don’t see Marti leaving voluntarily unless he has a better job to go to. Whilst we think he’s great, I’m not sure others will look at his time here as successful enough to try and tempt him away with a better offer. So, let’s say he stays and waits for a better offer that doesn’t materialise and we’re into the window and preseason, discussing commitments and contracts with new and existing players.
Nourry won’t fire him (and probably pay him off) unless he finds someone better (better might just be do what Nourry says) - who would that be ? Who would take the job working for him that would be an upgrade and who would want that job working for Nourry if they research it properly ?
This scenario is neither stick or twist - it’s an impasse of sorts and in my tiny mind, that’s probably the worst case scenario of all three possible outcomes because we will be back into next season with very little positive change other than some different players.
It probably means retaining all the suspected relationship issues that we speculate about weekly and that’s not good for any of the parties involved, especially if we start the season badly again.
I’m pretty sure Nourry understands this is probably his biggest challenge now we are safe so I expect he’s been told to resolve it. That’s either another contract review or a new manager/coach in time for the window and preseason. |
I’m not sure others will look at his time here as successful enough to try and tempt him away with a better offer.
I don't claim to be ITK or anything but I can easily envisage people "inside" football thinking anyone who has QPR even flying level is doing a fantastic job because anything less than a strong manager and we tend to very easily tip over into a screaming dive into the mountains. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:22 - Apr 19 with 2338 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:51 - Apr 19 by GroveR |
I’m not sure others will look at his time here as successful enough to try and tempt him away with a better offer.
I don't claim to be ITK or anything but I can easily envisage people "inside" football thinking anyone who has QPR even flying level is doing a fantastic job because anything less than a strong manager and we tend to very easily tip over into a screaming dive into the mountains. |
We don’t really: 10 seasons in this division now and mostly safely lower mid table. It’s only been the last couple of seasons we have been seriously in trouble at times.
And every season there are always half a dozen teams we should be finishing above in terms of budgets etc. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 23:46 - Apr 19 with 2290 views | numptydumpty |
Stick obviously
I think fortunately in some respects, we have had a couple of very bad runs of form this season, which has distorted our progress made and injuries also have decimated our squad almost constantly this season.
Otherwise I fear Marti could have been in demand if neither of these had happened
Its as strong a squad for me that we have had in the ten seasons we have been in the championship howevera few will leavr...
If Marti did sadly leave also, I would go all in to keep Xavi, but think the two come as a package.
But clearly given choices, 100% stick.
Who else could we attract who is better??? [Post edited 19 Apr 23:48]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 23:48 - Apr 19 with 2291 views | ted_hendrix |
I think he's doing okay, It's a tough gig but suitably financially remunerated, I'd Imagine.
I'm naturally pleased were staying up but a wee bit pissed off that we hadn't really 'cemented' our position In this league until recently.
Not really any better than last season was It, or am I being harsh? I don't think so.
I don't make excuses for players and less so for Managers, I don't want the same situation next season (league position) I want progress please and I don't think we've had much of that this season.
It's how I see It. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 23:57 - Apr 19 with 2254 views | numptydumpty |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 23:48 - Apr 19 by ted_hendrix |
I think he's doing okay, It's a tough gig but suitably financially remunerated, I'd Imagine.
I'm naturally pleased were staying up but a wee bit pissed off that we hadn't really 'cemented' our position In this league until recently.
Not really any better than last season was It, or am I being harsh? I don't think so.
I don't make excuses for players and less so for Managers, I don't want the same situation next season (league position) I want progress please and I don't think we've had much of that this season.
It's how I see It. |
Think a lot could be pinned on so many injuries Ted and also so many young players and also a high percentage who have never played in England before.
But yes we should be in the top half really
These weird runs of dreadfulness seem to hit us every single season - even when they really should not be happening
I think there have been several green shoots but many are still infected with QPR-i--tis !!! | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 23:59 - Apr 19 with 2222 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:18 - Apr 18 by queensparker |
If Marti leaves that will be a catastrophic failure by Nourry as CEO for me.
Best manager we’ve had in a hell of a long time |
Why so? Perhaps - shock horror - it would be his own decision,and because, as someone said recently, he felt he'd taken the team as far as he could. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:04 - Apr 20 with 2202 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 19:00 - Apr 18 by Tonto |
With the possible exception of he who sees things differently than everyone else, and everyone else is wrong, i doubt you will find anyone who doesnt want Marti to stay. |
Ooh - I wonder who you might mean. Another poster who prefers the comforts of caricature and snide asides to authentic discussion with a real person with complex and shifting views. And talking of caricatures, if that's your view of LfW (a prison-house of conformity rather than a rubunctious fans' board with healthy friction and challenging views - well, at least some of the time), I wouldn't exactly be turning cartwheels if it were me running it. Perhaps a real-life cult where you can put everyone under the same roof like a flock of sheep and scapegoat perceived 'outliers' to your heart's content would be more to your taste?
What was your point about Marti again? (Oh, yes - you don't have one!) | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:08 - Apr 20 with 2201 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:16 - Apr 19 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Hes never really had a chance to get the team playing the way he wants. If he leaves it'll be regrets all around.
If he stays, the club (yes you, Nourry) need to give the players to do the job properly.
I still think we won't push for playoffs/promotion until season 26/27 when the youngsters start pushing into the first team, so I think MC may be off. I'll be gutted if he goes. |
If he stays, and on balance he's just about done enough for me, though I'm ambivalent, it's surely more important he DOES get the team finally playing the way he wants after a year and a half in the job, rather than getting, for me, still too much of a pass re his coaching/the team's form. He/we need a really good opening 2-3 months in 2025/26. | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:21 - Apr 20 with 2208 views | Boston |
I like Marti, he can stay as long as he likes. | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:44 - Apr 20 with 2172 views | GaryHaddock |
We should always remember that sacking him will cost a fcking fortune. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:54 - Apr 20 with 2151 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:04 - Apr 20 by stainrods_elbow |
Ooh - I wonder who you might mean. Another poster who prefers the comforts of caricature and snide asides to authentic discussion with a real person with complex and shifting views. And talking of caricatures, if that's your view of LfW (a prison-house of conformity rather than a rubunctious fans' board with healthy friction and challenging views - well, at least some of the time), I wouldn't exactly be turning cartwheels if it were me running it. Perhaps a real-life cult where you can put everyone under the same roof like a flock of sheep and scapegoat perceived 'outliers' to your heart's content would be more to your taste?
What was your point about Marti again? (Oh, yes - you don't have one!) |
Clockwork. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 01:02 - Apr 20 with 2134 views | Toast_R |
What happened to Neil Critchley?
Shudder. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 07:57 - Apr 20 with 1926 views | Gloucs_R |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 00:08 - Apr 20 by stainrods_elbow |
If he stays, and on balance he's just about done enough for me, though I'm ambivalent, it's surely more important he DOES get the team finally playing the way he wants after a year and a half in the job, rather than getting, for me, still too much of a pass re his coaching/the team's form. He/we need a really good opening 2-3 months in 2025/26. |
Preseason needs to be carefully managed.
We need to beat lower league teams rather than struggling and the strikers need goals. Especially Kelman and Celar. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:04 - Apr 20 with 1878 views | Rsole |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:51 - Apr 19 by GroveR |
I’m not sure others will look at his time here as successful enough to try and tempt him away with a better offer.
I don't claim to be ITK or anything but I can easily envisage people "inside" football thinking anyone who has QPR even flying level is doing a fantastic job because anything less than a strong manager and we tend to very easily tip over into a screaming dive into the mountains. |
I hope he stays and I hope he has learnt what works and what doesn’t by the time we start next season. I hope we get some better, more suitable new players and retain the ones we need for the next season too. I hope his relationship with Nourry improves and they start working together more cohesively.
BUT hope is not a strategy and something significant needs or change if we are to get the best out of Marti and the team.
Whilst we have played some good football at times (for half a game mostly) and ground out some results that kept us safe, we have also repeatedly shit the bed or just not turned up when it suits during the last couple of years. So whilst most of us think he’s doing a great job under the circumstances, it’s all relative and perhaps the perception elsewhere is that we are consistently inconsistent under Marti whose main achievement on his QPR CV section to date = ‘prevented relegation’ - twice.
I don’t think another club is going to pay a large sum to have him released from a contract and I don’t think he will leave without another (better) offer. Why would anyone do that in any job, given the choice. I also don’t think Nourry will fire him either.
Has he taken us as far as he can go ? Unless something fundamental changes, perhaps he has. Doesn’t mean he’s leaving though and until someone breaks the impasse or his contract simply expires, I don’t think we are sticking or twisting either.
Maybe he’s just running the contract down to become a free agent. I suspect we will never know because any termination will be covered in legal NDAs and contract confidentiality clauses.
My overriding concern is what happens if he leaves - who’s next at the house of fun ? A yes man that does what Nourry says ? I fear the worst if that’s the case and that’s why I’d prefer to retain Marti but he and Nourry need to sort their shit out together, find a system that works for the players we have and perform more consistently. |  |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:13 - Apr 20 with 1864 views | dmm |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 01:02 - Apr 20 by Toast_R |
What happened to Neil Critchley?
Shudder. |
Head coach at Hearts. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:25 - Apr 20 with 1819 views | GroveR |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:22 - Apr 19 by Ned_Kennedys |
We don’t really: 10 seasons in this division now and mostly safely lower mid table. It’s only been the last couple of seasons we have been seriously in trouble at times.
And every season there are always half a dozen teams we should be finishing above in terms of budgets etc. |
And how many managers has that taken? | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 08:25 - Apr 20 with 1818 views | ActonExile |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 17:07 - Apr 19 by highleverhoopL |
And played in the same team at the Harrow Club as a young Dennis Wise. Allegedly... |
I played at the Harrow Club (The team name was Red Star) and i was part of a 5 a-side team that wore the white Aberdeen kit and Eddie Newton was in the team. | |
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:40 - Apr 20 with 1647 views | gazza1 |
I understand that MC's relationship with senior figure(s) is difficult. Whether that is enough for him to 'jump ship' is the question.
I also understand that Ben Williams is a 'poor player'..........just like the previous Academy Manager who apparently left us to go to Spurs. | | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:50 - Apr 20 with 1623 views | stevec |
The ultimate problem is not Marti, it’s not Nourry, it’s basically the culture of low expectation that has been paralysing this club for the last 25 years.
After a while it becomes self prophecy. Even in a shit league like this season the consensus that we were on the up and yet only capable of a bottom half finish has come to pass.
The fan culture is determined by events, that is until the fan culture takes on a life of its own and becomes the club.
We draw the line at going down and the players and management respond to that, we accept that mid table is the best we can hope for and when we reach that the players and management switch off.
Unless you get an extraordinary owner, it is up to us to ask for the impossible, then we’ll see how good the manager is, until that happens we’ll chug along like this for another 25 years. |  | | |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:07 - Apr 20 with 1586 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 09:50 - Apr 20 by stevec |
The ultimate problem is not Marti, it’s not Nourry, it’s basically the culture of low expectation that has been paralysing this club for the last 25 years.
After a while it becomes self prophecy. Even in a shit league like this season the consensus that we were on the up and yet only capable of a bottom half finish has come to pass.
The fan culture is determined by events, that is until the fan culture takes on a life of its own and becomes the club.
We draw the line at going down and the players and management respond to that, we accept that mid table is the best we can hope for and when we reach that the players and management switch off.
Unless you get an extraordinary owner, it is up to us to ask for the impossible, then we’ll see how good the manager is, until that happens we’ll chug along like this for another 25 years. |
Oh it’s our fault?! All makes sense now. All these years I’ve been trying to suppress us into a 16th place finish.
Sorry Steve I can’t relate to this opinion AT ALL. The fans have been superb for 25 years and I would say even upped their game to another level since Covid. They’ve never wavered, kept plugging away, never given up, stood up and been counted even in the darkest of Beale / Critchley downward spirals. I have no idea what else you expect us to do to enforce some sort of higher expectation. I would argue the fans have been the only ones consistently doing their bit.
Plus, in that 25 years you mention we’ve actually been promoted three times; twice to the Premier League.
It really isn’t the fans’ fault that we spunked our budgets on the likes of Joel Lynch, Lyndon Dykes, Idrissa Sylla, Conor Washington, Ariel Borysiuk, Jordan Cousins, Heverton Santos, Macauley Bonne, Andre Dozzell, Taylor Richards and Tyler Roberts. I’d suggest that’s had more to do with the malaise than a fault in fans’ expectations. [Post edited 20 Apr 10:09]
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| Marti, stick or twist? on 11:10 - Apr 20 with 1458 views | stevec |
| Marti, stick or twist? on 10:07 - Apr 20 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Oh it’s our fault?! All makes sense now. All these years I’ve been trying to suppress us into a 16th place finish.
Sorry Steve I can’t relate to this opinion AT ALL. The fans have been superb for 25 years and I would say even upped their game to another level since Covid. They’ve never wavered, kept plugging away, never given up, stood up and been counted even in the darkest of Beale / Critchley downward spirals. I have no idea what else you expect us to do to enforce some sort of higher expectation. I would argue the fans have been the only ones consistently doing their bit.
Plus, in that 25 years you mention we’ve actually been promoted three times; twice to the Premier League.
It really isn’t the fans’ fault that we spunked our budgets on the likes of Joel Lynch, Lyndon Dykes, Idrissa Sylla, Conor Washington, Ariel Borysiuk, Jordan Cousins, Heverton Santos, Macauley Bonne, Andre Dozzell, Taylor Richards and Tyler Roberts. I’d suggest that’s had more to do with the malaise than a fault in fans’ expectations. [Post edited 20 Apr 10:09]
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Totally get what you’re saying, the fans have been brilliant.
But that is my point. We have become a very accepting bunch, irrespective of what’s been got away with at this club. At some point we have to ask for more and expect more. | | | |
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