| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:13 - Jun 18 with 4270 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 18:43 - Jun 18 by Mr_Beef |
Given your regular complaints about people who proclaim themselves as ITK, can you tell us how you know that QPR would accept nothing for the "fecker"? |
Haha I can’t remember you once questioning the spew of ITK nonsense that lassel has posted on here. Get some perspective. |  | |  |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:37 - Jun 18 with 4144 views | Mr_Beef |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:13 - Jun 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Haha I can’t remember you once questioning the spew of ITK nonsense that lassel has posted on here. Get some perspective. |
I'm just asking you, Ned, someone who repeatedly whines about ITK to tell us us how you know know that QPR want to "accept nothing" for the "fecker". It does appear that you've made it up to suit your own viewpoint? |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:48 - Jun 18 with 4077 views | baz_qpr |
I always understood it that when managers get the tic tac what happens is they get paid monthly anyway up to a certain point and if they get a new job in that time then the club that has fired no longer has to pay. Gardening leave is usually an avenue where the person leaving is told not to come back or have any contact with other employees and this done to protect data and trying to pinch people into a new role |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:22 - Jun 18 with 3849 views | numptydumpty |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:43 - Jun 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
It’s really dragging on now.
Get the new guy announced asap so the Cifuentes love in that some still have can be forgotten. He was never committed to us for long although how much he rates himself must’ve been knocked by all the prime Championship jobs that have come and gone without his name being in the picture.
Naive to think he’d rather wait for a new job when people start getting sacked mid season: which manager wouldn’t want to start a new job in pre season? |
His name has not been in the picture for the seven championship clubs that have appointed a new manager, because he is prohibited to seek alternative employment due to himself being on gardening leave.
I do appreciate several of Nourrys decisions have been sound but even if this decision simply based on one contact with a club, it's an awful way to treat an employee that has been decent.
Leaves a bad taste in the mouth and very unsavoury at best. [Post edited 18 Jun 23:45]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:25 - Jun 18 with 3828 views | Lblock |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 18:50 - Jun 18 by stevec |
As Marti is still employed and taking a salary, can’t the club find him some gainful employment within the club. |
"Onions with that mate?" |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:30 - Jun 18 with 3791 views | numptydumpty |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 18:50 - Jun 18 by stevec |
As Marti is still employed and taking a salary, can’t the club find him some gainful employment within the club. |
Well since he has been actively employed gardening, let's get Marti to create a football pitch to be proud of..... [Post edited 18 Jun 20:30]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:56 - Jun 18 with 3697 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:37 - Jun 18 by Mr_Beef |
I'm just asking you, Ned, someone who repeatedly whines about ITK to tell us us how you know know that QPR want to "accept nothing" for the "fecker". It does appear that you've made it up to suit your own viewpoint? |
Yes it was my opinion: do you disagree with it?
I assume you believe all lassel’s posts are factually correct or do you just whine about people casting doubt on their veracity? | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:03 - Jun 18 with 3645 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:48 - Jun 18 by baz_qpr |
I always understood it that when managers get the tic tac what happens is they get paid monthly anyway up to a certain point and if they get a new job in that time then the club that has fired no longer has to pay. Gardening leave is usually an avenue where the person leaving is told not to come back or have any contact with other employees and this done to protect data and trying to pinch people into a new role |
Thanks Baz.
I think I've read that before as well, but I wouldn't swear on it. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:07 - Jun 18 with 3605 views | Mr_Beef |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:56 - Jun 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yes it was my opinion: do you disagree with it?
I assume you believe all lassel’s posts are factually correct or do you just whine about people casting doubt on their veracity? |
Ah, opinion expressed as fact. Something that you're ok with criticising in others, but it's OK for you to do. Just so we know.
The "fecker" part is probably best left for someone else to unravel. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:20 - Jun 18 with 3514 views | VancouverHoop |
Our Board has a strong American presence. Lee Hoos and Richard Reilly are from the US, and Ruben has experience at the executive level with LAFC.
My guess — and that's all it is — their intention, especially after the Ainsworth debacle, was to institute a North American style sports hierarchy at QPR. The line of authority in that is pretty rigid, it goes: President/Chairman > General Manager > Head Coach. If the latter is fired, the GM does it. If the GM is let go (less frequently) the word comes from the top, consquently GMs tend to last longer than coaches.
In QPR's case the fact that Cifuentes was hired three months before Nourry, and by most accounts did an excellent job in that period, is irrelevant but the "optics" are awkward. Marti turned around a titanic disaster on the pitch, winning over us fans in the process. So who the hell does this 27 year-old kid think he is?
Thing is when a GM is let go the Head Coach almost always follows him out the door, because, for better or worse, he isn't the new guy's choice. That's the way the system works. Sadly Marti's a just pawn in the game, not a Knight or a King. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:27 - Jun 18 with 3444 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:20 - Jun 18 by VancouverHoop |
Our Board has a strong American presence. Lee Hoos and Richard Reilly are from the US, and Ruben has experience at the executive level with LAFC.
My guess — and that's all it is — their intention, especially after the Ainsworth debacle, was to institute a North American style sports hierarchy at QPR. The line of authority in that is pretty rigid, it goes: President/Chairman > General Manager > Head Coach. If the latter is fired, the GM does it. If the GM is let go (less frequently) the word comes from the top, consquently GMs tend to last longer than coaches.
In QPR's case the fact that Cifuentes was hired three months before Nourry, and by most accounts did an excellent job in that period, is irrelevant but the "optics" are awkward. Marti turned around a titanic disaster on the pitch, winning over us fans in the process. So who the hell does this 27 year-old kid think he is?
Thing is when a GM is let go the Head Coach almost always follows him out the door, because, for better or worse, he isn't the new guy's choice. That's the way the system works. Sadly Marti's a just pawn in the game, not a Knight or a King. |
Good post, Vancouver.
It's interesting watching our club since Nourry joined, and wondering if we'll go down the American route you describe. Time will tell. | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:46 - Jun 18 with 3315 views | queensparker |
Sky Sports now saying it’s definitely Stephan |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:50 - Jun 18 with 3295 views | Beejnewark |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:46 - Jun 18 by queensparker |
Sky Sports now saying it’s definitely Stephan |
Clive's shocked, again. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:51 - Jun 18 with 3276 views | Hoopsie |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:20 - Jun 18 by VancouverHoop |
Our Board has a strong American presence. Lee Hoos and Richard Reilly are from the US, and Ruben has experience at the executive level with LAFC.
My guess — and that's all it is — their intention, especially after the Ainsworth debacle, was to institute a North American style sports hierarchy at QPR. The line of authority in that is pretty rigid, it goes: President/Chairman > General Manager > Head Coach. If the latter is fired, the GM does it. If the GM is let go (less frequently) the word comes from the top, consquently GMs tend to last longer than coaches.
In QPR's case the fact that Cifuentes was hired three months before Nourry, and by most accounts did an excellent job in that period, is irrelevant but the "optics" are awkward. Marti turned around a titanic disaster on the pitch, winning over us fans in the process. So who the hell does this 27 year-old kid think he is?
Thing is when a GM is let go the Head Coach almost always follows him out the door, because, for better or worse, he isn't the new guy's choice. That's the way the system works. Sadly Marti's a just pawn in the game, not a Knight or a King. |
Was it Nourry’s company when he was consulting that scouted and recommended Cifuentes to the board? Apologies if I’m sprouting rubbish |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:51 - Jun 18 with 3264 views | ted_hendrix |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:27 - Jun 18 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good post, Vancouver.
It's interesting watching our club since Nourry joined, and wondering if we'll go down the American route you describe. Time will tell. |
I don't mind what route we go down, 19th June tomorrow and we haven't got a Manager.
I'm talking about a Manager who'd be In the office each day (now) organising this, that and every other thing that needs organising for the second week of August.
I don't like being Managerless In the close season, maybe I'm panicking maybe I'm not.
I'd just like to know what's going on at the club regarding the new season. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:05 - Jun 18 with 3171 views | Hoopsie |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:06 - Jun 18 by Northernr |
The garden leave was a silly idea, naive and a rash mistake.
You're absolutely 110% right, that relationship was broken. Been saying it since last summer. He was always going to go this summer.
So your options are...
1 - sit down like grown ups and agree a settlement (you're having to do that now from a position of weakness anyway)
2 - sack him. Try for gross misconduct if you like, putting it about to rival clubs last summer and this. But you're gonna end up paying him off now anyway so makes no difference.
3 - sit tight, say fck all, let him get another job. You greatly reduce the likelihood of this happening by slapping a 'damaged goods' sticker on him and giving him an excuse to go and sit on a beach with full pay. Cifuentes has no incentive at all to move now, or accept a lower pay off, and the situation will put other clubs off him and trying to extricate him from it.
They were so desperate to pull the trigger they took that West Brom thing and did this, which has now put us in this position, where even Ned thinks it's dragging a bit! |
If the relationship has broken down and irreparable, QPR would be getting rid of him anyways and that is understood to mean a payment of compensation with regards to what’s left of Cifuentes’s contract.
We are known to do that (compensating managers while still contracted) re Critchley and Ainsworth when they were both sacked to make way for the new guy. QPR loves to pay especially for their mistakes time and time again, so the Cifuentes situation will be no different once they know they no longer want the manager. I think in Beale we made some money, how unlikeable he is nonetheless
I am just speculating that the gardening leave is imposed so that Cifuentes, under the terms of the “sanction” cannot discuss, reveal or comment on anything that is relating to his role at QPR, so basically that is to shut him up and cocoon him. It might be a punishment (however stupid one might opine) but I think in this case the club is thinking legal. They have to pay him anyway to leave but to sack him (as he has done nothing legally wrong - agents talking to WBA notwithstanding) the club might have to pay more than to impose gardening leave (meaning here he could be doing the “wrong thing”) so club and Cifuentes sits out the gardening period once the new manager is sourced and in place, the compensation then gets paid.
I might be totally talking bollocks but I think, rightly or wrongly, the club main priority is to protect the interest of QPR by imposing the gardening leave on Cifuentes. You could argue it was Nourry’s ego but I don’t think he has such a clout over the whole board including Ruben that the club would allow him to execute his own little vendetta
Just my view, apologies if it is all rubbish! | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:52 - Jun 18 with 2917 views | mart_Goblin |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:05 - Jun 18 by Hoopsie |
If the relationship has broken down and irreparable, QPR would be getting rid of him anyways and that is understood to mean a payment of compensation with regards to what’s left of Cifuentes’s contract.
We are known to do that (compensating managers while still contracted) re Critchley and Ainsworth when they were both sacked to make way for the new guy. QPR loves to pay especially for their mistakes time and time again, so the Cifuentes situation will be no different once they know they no longer want the manager. I think in Beale we made some money, how unlikeable he is nonetheless
I am just speculating that the gardening leave is imposed so that Cifuentes, under the terms of the “sanction” cannot discuss, reveal or comment on anything that is relating to his role at QPR, so basically that is to shut him up and cocoon him. It might be a punishment (however stupid one might opine) but I think in this case the club is thinking legal. They have to pay him anyway to leave but to sack him (as he has done nothing legally wrong - agents talking to WBA notwithstanding) the club might have to pay more than to impose gardening leave (meaning here he could be doing the “wrong thing”) so club and Cifuentes sits out the gardening period once the new manager is sourced and in place, the compensation then gets paid.
I might be totally talking bollocks but I think, rightly or wrongly, the club main priority is to protect the interest of QPR by imposing the gardening leave on Cifuentes. You could argue it was Nourry’s ego but I don’t think he has such a clout over the whole board including Ruben that the club would allow him to execute his own little vendetta
Just my view, apologies if it is all rubbish! |
“You could argue it was Nourry’s ego but I don’t think he has such a clout over the whole board including Ruben that the club would allow him to execute his own little vendetta”
CN , Hoos and Reilly ARE the board.
You’d be astonished . |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 03:38 - Jun 19 with 2584 views | Match82 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:20 - Jun 18 by VancouverHoop |
Our Board has a strong American presence. Lee Hoos and Richard Reilly are from the US, and Ruben has experience at the executive level with LAFC.
My guess — and that's all it is — their intention, especially after the Ainsworth debacle, was to institute a North American style sports hierarchy at QPR. The line of authority in that is pretty rigid, it goes: President/Chairman > General Manager > Head Coach. If the latter is fired, the GM does it. If the GM is let go (less frequently) the word comes from the top, consquently GMs tend to last longer than coaches.
In QPR's case the fact that Cifuentes was hired three months before Nourry, and by most accounts did an excellent job in that period, is irrelevant but the "optics" are awkward. Marti turned around a titanic disaster on the pitch, winning over us fans in the process. So who the hell does this 27 year-old kid think he is?
Thing is when a GM is let go the Head Coach almost always follows him out the door, because, for better or worse, he isn't the new guy's choice. That's the way the system works. Sadly Marti's a just pawn in the game, not a Knight or a King. |
Rule of thumb is that a lucky GM gets to make one bad head coach hire (i.e you mess the first one up you get a second chance, mess that one up and you're likely following the fired coach out of the door). Obviously if you make a strong hire you get more leeway. And you get a pass for the incumbent when you take the role. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 06:54 - Jun 19 with 2315 views | dmm |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:52 - Jun 18 by mart_Goblin |
“You could argue it was Nourry’s ego but I don’t think he has such a clout over the whole board including Ruben that the club would allow him to execute his own little vendetta”
CN , Hoos and Reilly ARE the board.
You’d be astonished . |
It's well known Mittal is a 'sleeping' partner, but are you saying Gnanalingam effectively is as well? |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:31 - Jun 19 with 2139 views | Blue_Castello |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:06 - Jun 18 by Northernr |
The garden leave was a silly idea, naive and a rash mistake.
You're absolutely 110% right, that relationship was broken. Been saying it since last summer. He was always going to go this summer.
So your options are...
1 - sit down like grown ups and agree a settlement (you're having to do that now from a position of weakness anyway)
2 - sack him. Try for gross misconduct if you like, putting it about to rival clubs last summer and this. But you're gonna end up paying him off now anyway so makes no difference.
3 - sit tight, say fck all, let him get another job. You greatly reduce the likelihood of this happening by slapping a 'damaged goods' sticker on him and giving him an excuse to go and sit on a beach with full pay. Cifuentes has no incentive at all to move now, or accept a lower pay off, and the situation will put other clubs off him and trying to extricate him from it.
They were so desperate to pull the trigger they took that West Brom thing and did this, which has now put us in this position, where even Ned thinks it's dragging a bit! |
Exactly as the saying goes a total cluster*uck, I can't help feeling that a CEO with more man management experience would have been able to handle this so much better, the relationship with the Manager is critical and you should make every effort to make it successful.
I'm guessing like everybody else but I'm sure it's Hoos that pulled the trigger because he knew the relationship between the two of them was at the point of no return. In view of this I'm amazed Marti did so many professional interviews before and after games as the relationship we are led to believe was toxic. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:39 - Jun 19 with 2066 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:52 - Jun 18 by mart_Goblin |
“You could argue it was Nourry’s ego but I don’t think he has such a clout over the whole board including Ruben that the club would allow him to execute his own little vendetta”
CN , Hoos and Reilly ARE the board.
You’d be astonished . |
The board is fully controlled by Reuben, it’s not a 3 way split as you suggest. So a decision regarding Marti would have come from him. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:48 - Jun 19 with 2022 views | mart_Goblin |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 06:54 - Jun 19 by dmm |
It's well known Mittal is a 'sleeping' partner, but are you saying Gnanalingam effectively is as well? |
I don’t honestly know the answer to that but he’s certainly being if not undermined, then outmanoeuvred by the ‘board’.
He’s now in a minority group in his own club.
Another strange chapter in plethora of ‘strange chapters’ | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:31 - Jun 19 with 1833 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:02 - Jun 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yeah the sheer intellectuality of your post has beaten me this time 😂 |
Nm [Post edited 19 Jun 8:39]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:15 - Jun 19 with 1655 views | TheChef |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:46 - Jun 18 by queensparker |
Sky Sports now saying it’s definitely Stephan |
Sky Sports with their finger on the pulse, top journalism. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:20 - Jun 19 with 1613 views | TheChef |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:05 - Jun 18 by Hoopsie |
If the relationship has broken down and irreparable, QPR would be getting rid of him anyways and that is understood to mean a payment of compensation with regards to what’s left of Cifuentes’s contract.
We are known to do that (compensating managers while still contracted) re Critchley and Ainsworth when they were both sacked to make way for the new guy. QPR loves to pay especially for their mistakes time and time again, so the Cifuentes situation will be no different once they know they no longer want the manager. I think in Beale we made some money, how unlikeable he is nonetheless
I am just speculating that the gardening leave is imposed so that Cifuentes, under the terms of the “sanction” cannot discuss, reveal or comment on anything that is relating to his role at QPR, so basically that is to shut him up and cocoon him. It might be a punishment (however stupid one might opine) but I think in this case the club is thinking legal. They have to pay him anyway to leave but to sack him (as he has done nothing legally wrong - agents talking to WBA notwithstanding) the club might have to pay more than to impose gardening leave (meaning here he could be doing the “wrong thing”) so club and Cifuentes sits out the gardening period once the new manager is sourced and in place, the compensation then gets paid.
I might be totally talking bollocks but I think, rightly or wrongly, the club main priority is to protect the interest of QPR by imposing the gardening leave on Cifuentes. You could argue it was Nourry’s ego but I don’t think he has such a clout over the whole board including Ruben that the club would allow him to execute his own little vendetta
Just my view, apologies if it is all rubbish! |
Well it's just another case of the club dipping into the Westport loose change, isn't it? | |
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