| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:40 - Jun 19 with 3979 views | nick_hammersmith |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:12 - Jun 19 by derbyhoop |
Is that what happened with Taylor Richards. |
And Joey Barton, and Adel Taraabt.
It's common to ship a player out on loan if the coach thinks they are disruptive and we cannot sell them at that point in time.
I guess a lot of the time the club loses a lot of money on these deals.
Do they budget to pay for two managers salaries? Last year we must have still be paying for Ainsworth for a chunk of time, until he worked again? |  | |  |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:55 - Jun 19 with 3794 views | larsricchi |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:14 - Jun 19 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Come on, let's get to 60 pages before Julien Stephan is announced!
As an aside, when we announce him will people accept that MC is no longer the head coach? |
Yes. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:55 - Jun 19 with 3794 views | SW_Ranger |
I think we should have a small group of managers on gardening leave - with the aim of entering into the Chelsea Flower Show. Brief would be hidden insults within the garden to past and present chelsea players and managers - perhaps a boudoir ‘bed’ for John Terry with plants all named after players wives would be a good start. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:00 - Jun 19 with 3722 views | Esox_Lucius |
It's all well and good having a Summer managers rumours thread but as it appears to be drawing to a conclusion, would anyone mind if I started "The QPR Winter managers rumours thread"? [Post edited 19 Jun 15:01]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:02 - Jun 19 with 3703 views | FDC |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:14 - Jun 19 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Come on, let's get to 60 pages before Julien Stephan is announced!
As an aside, when we announce him will people accept that MC is no longer the head coach? |
Without the other thread we'd be there already.
Incidentally, it is possible that the club will simply never announce him, we'll just start the season with him on the touchline as if he's always been here? |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:58 - Jun 19 with 3500 views | mart_Goblin |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:28 - Jun 19 by kensalriser |
Edit: replying to Mart
"Ok , I’ll bite, as the usual suspects crying about ‘ITK’s go strangely quiet when it supports their point of view .
Most of what I say is conjecture , not all, I have a slither of info coming my way , but not anything important , so I’ll take your word for it James .
As I said before I’m all for people sharing stuff they’ve heard or whatever . It’s why most of us are here (not sure why a couple are ,but it’s up to them ) .
But how do you know this ?"
There's a lot of going around in circles on this thread!
This isn't a secret. Ruben's the major shareholder, so he controls the board. [Post edited 19 Jun 13:31]
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I get that .
Been a lot of comings and goings and jostling for position and all sorts since March time .
People moved in and moved out .
I wouldn’t expect to know the ins and outs of all that but this club doesn’t announce anything it doesn’t have too.
Ruben may well still be ‘in charge ‘ but getting rid of Marti wasn’t his call so I’ve been lead to believe by 2 or 3 different people .
They might be wrong of course
But it is odd don’t you think ? |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:10 - Jun 19 with 3384 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:39 - Jun 19 by loftus77 |
This is the point, isn't it? Normally a new man comes in, give him a bit of slack as he settles in, new environment, new league, new country etc. But Monsieur Stephan, through completely no fault of his own, will get none of this.
Everything will be immediately compared and contrasted to a popular, respected, talented previous Head Coach Whose Name Shall Not/Cannot Be Mentioned.
It has to go well - considerably and clearly well - for the club right from early August. And that pressure is, apparently, totally self-inflicted. [Post edited 19 Jun 13:41]
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Not so sure about that. There was rumbling of discontent regarding the performances under MC last season, lots of 'the worst half of football ever', but in the ground everyone was 100% behind the team and manager.
As a group of fans those in the ground can usually separate the team/manager and those above them. We QPR fans are pretty special when it comes to that. | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:31 - Jun 19 with 3272 views | kensalriser |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:58 - Jun 19 by mart_Goblin |
I get that .
Been a lot of comings and goings and jostling for position and all sorts since March time .
People moved in and moved out .
I wouldn’t expect to know the ins and outs of all that but this club doesn’t announce anything it doesn’t have too.
Ruben may well still be ‘in charge ‘ but getting rid of Marti wasn’t his call so I’ve been lead to believe by 2 or 3 different people .
They might be wrong of course
But it is odd don’t you think ? |
Not really.
He's not the CEO or Chair, he appoints people to those positions to run the club and make decisions. He can override those decisions but most of the time he's going to trust them. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:43 - Jun 19 with 3193 views | nick_hammersmith |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:55 - Jun 19 by SW_Ranger |
I think we should have a small group of managers on gardening leave - with the aim of entering into the Chelsea Flower Show. Brief would be hidden insults within the garden to past and present chelsea players and managers - perhaps a boudoir ‘bed’ for John Terry with plants all named after players wives would be a good start. |
That racist pr1ck probably only likes white flowers | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 17:03 - Jun 19 with 3057 views | derbyhoop |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:00 - Jun 19 by Esox_Lucius |
It's all well and good having a Summer managers rumours thread but as it appears to be drawing to a conclusion, would anyone mind if I started "The QPR Winter managers rumours thread"? [Post edited 19 Jun 15:01]
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Seems reasonable when the average tenure of a Championship manager is 10 months.
Marti is currently the 5th longest serving, just behind Rohl. Neither will be in place for August 10th. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 17:19 - Jun 19 with 2966 views | mart_Goblin |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:31 - Jun 19 by kensalriser |
Not really.
He's not the CEO or Chair, he appoints people to those positions to run the club and make decisions. He can override those decisions but most of the time he's going to trust them. |
Ok.
Hard to make my point without saying what I really want too , which is my fault so time to shut up me thinks .
Apologies . | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:32 - Jun 20 with 2595 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:19 - Jun 19 by mart_Goblin |
Ok , I’ll bite, as the usual suspects crying about ‘ITK’s go strangely quiet when it supports their point of view .
Most of what I say is conjecture , not all, I have a slither of info coming my way , but not anything important , so I’ll take your word for it James .
As I said before I’m all for people sharing stuff they’ve heard or whatever . It’s why most of us are here (not sure why a couple are ,but it’s up to them ) .
But how do you know this ? |
It’s public information on UK companies house. It sets out how board operates and that directors votes are linked to shareholding percentage (or something like that). There was some debate on this a couple of months back. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:52 - Jun 23 with 1918 views | derbyhoop |
Could Stephan arrive this week? Diarra to come with him? And an analyst?
Marti situation to be concluded. Calm to go as well?
Bestsy to be retained ? | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:16 - Jun 23 with 1671 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:39 - Jun 19 by loftus77 |
This is the point, isn't it? Normally a new man comes in, give him a bit of slack as he settles in, new environment, new league, new country etc. But Monsieur Stephan, through completely no fault of his own, will get none of this.
Everything will be immediately compared and contrasted to a popular, respected, talented previous Head Coach Whose Name Shall Not/Cannot Be Mentioned.
It has to go well - considerably and clearly well - for the club right from early August. And that pressure is, apparently, totally self-inflicted. [Post edited 19 Jun 13:41]
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Can’t see this at all: QPR supporters have shown themselves to be a more than patient bunch especially over the last decade.
Only a small number of rabid Cifuentes fans who can’t move on will be jumping on the new guy if he doesn’t win his first few games: the vast majority (especially those at matches) will understand the new guy will need a decent amount of time. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:43 - Jun 23 with 1454 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:39 - Jun 19 by loftus77 |
This is the point, isn't it? Normally a new man comes in, give him a bit of slack as he settles in, new environment, new league, new country etc. But Monsieur Stephan, through completely no fault of his own, will get none of this.
Everything will be immediately compared and contrasted to a popular, respected, talented previous Head Coach Whose Name Shall Not/Cannot Be Mentioned.
It has to go well - considerably and clearly well - for the club right from early August. And that pressure is, apparently, totally self-inflicted. [Post edited 19 Jun 13:41]
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This is exactly how I see it.
The new guy will have to deliver something and fast - as you say - in August. If it's not in immediate results there will have to be something to like about what's put on the pitch in terms of quality and / or graft.
My concern is this club has managed to go on very long runs of poor form under Holloway, McLaren, Warburton, Critchley and Ainsworth. I think it had nosedived on Beale too and I'm still pretty convinced that was a huge reason for his immediate scarper - he knew it was coming and left it to Critchley to deal with. In those long runs we've shown little graft and absolutely zero quality.
Cifuentes showed he could stave those runs off and turn us back around when they looked like they'd set in. No other manager in that list was able to do that.
Time will tell whether we've just moved on - maybe the club's in a better place now, maybe the squad will be better, the atmosphere behind the scenes is better, there's a more willing culture etc. If so, all will be fine. Equally though, there's a chance some of those ghosts are still lurking around the corner and we'll struggle early doors. If we do, I think the Cifuentes situation will definitely have an impact on fans' patience for the masses rather than the few.
Cue Ned downvoting and calling me a radical etc. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:02 - Jun 23 with 1308 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:43 - Jun 23 by Padulas_Shampoo |
This is exactly how I see it.
The new guy will have to deliver something and fast - as you say - in August. If it's not in immediate results there will have to be something to like about what's put on the pitch in terms of quality and / or graft.
My concern is this club has managed to go on very long runs of poor form under Holloway, McLaren, Warburton, Critchley and Ainsworth. I think it had nosedived on Beale too and I'm still pretty convinced that was a huge reason for his immediate scarper - he knew it was coming and left it to Critchley to deal with. In those long runs we've shown little graft and absolutely zero quality.
Cifuentes showed he could stave those runs off and turn us back around when they looked like they'd set in. No other manager in that list was able to do that.
Time will tell whether we've just moved on - maybe the club's in a better place now, maybe the squad will be better, the atmosphere behind the scenes is better, there's a more willing culture etc. If so, all will be fine. Equally though, there's a chance some of those ghosts are still lurking around the corner and we'll struggle early doors. If we do, I think the Cifuentes situation will definitely have an impact on fans' patience for the masses rather than the few.
Cue Ned downvoting and calling me a radical etc. |
Please don’t worry yourself what I think: be your own man.
All QPR managers have bad runs: some can turn them around and others can’t. Both Holloway and Warburton managed to do so, even McLaren initially recovered from a terrible start to a season before succumbing to another bad run in the end. Cifuentes wasn’t as unique as you claim.
Looking forward to seeing you moaning on here about the new head coach in August if he doesn’t hit the ground running: luckily most other supporters will be more understanding and patient. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:05 - Jun 23 with 1287 views | Rangersw12 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:39 - Jun 19 by loftus77 |
This is the point, isn't it? Normally a new man comes in, give him a bit of slack as he settles in, new environment, new league, new country etc. But Monsieur Stephan, through completely no fault of his own, will get none of this.
Everything will be immediately compared and contrasted to a popular, respected, talented previous Head Coach Whose Name Shall Not/Cannot Be Mentioned.
It has to go well - considerably and clearly well - for the club right from early August. And that pressure is, apparently, totally self-inflicted. [Post edited 19 Jun 13:41]
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Nourry's position will be untenable if this all goes south
We had a competent manager in place but due to ego's who refuse to put the club first they have put another unnecessary risk into what was always going to be a very difficult summer
The club and especially Nourry and Hoos need this to work . I'm crossing everything it does and Dunne resigning does give me a flicker of hope but we desperately need to find 3 teams worse than us as at the moment I fear for us | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:08 - Jun 23 with 1267 views | Rangersw12 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:02 - Jun 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Please don’t worry yourself what I think: be your own man.
All QPR managers have bad runs: some can turn them around and others can’t. Both Holloway and Warburton managed to do so, even McLaren initially recovered from a terrible start to a season before succumbing to another bad run in the end. Cifuentes wasn’t as unique as you claim.
Looking forward to seeing you moaning on here about the new head coach in August if he doesn’t hit the ground running: luckily most other supporters will be more understanding and patient. |
They won't be more understanding as this is all self inflicted | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:10 - Jun 23 with 1240 views | Match82 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:05 - Jun 23 by Rangersw12 |
Nourry's position will be untenable if this all goes south
We had a competent manager in place but due to ego's who refuse to put the club first they have put another unnecessary risk into what was always going to be a very difficult summer
The club and especially Nourry and Hoos need this to work . I'm crossing everything it does and Dunne resigning does give me a flicker of hope but we desperately need to find 3 teams worse than us as at the moment I fear for us |
"we desperately need to find 3 teams worse than us as at the moment I fear for us"
Definitely one for the glossary! That's been our mantra for the last decade it feels like |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:11 - Jun 23 with 1231 views | QPRSam |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:16 - Jun 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Can’t see this at all: QPR supporters have shown themselves to be a more than patient bunch especially over the last decade.
Only a small number of rabid Cifuentes fans who can’t move on will be jumping on the new guy if he doesn’t win his first few games: the vast majority (especially those at matches) will understand the new guy will need a decent amount of time. |
"Only a small number of rabid Cifuentes fans who can’t move on will be jumping on the new guy if he doesn’t win his first few games"
I'm not understanding this, let's not forget the start of last season. 1 win, 7 draws, 7 defeats. Didn't win at home until 7th December.
Would it not be far fetched to believe the fans still backing Marti after this dreadful run would explore the exact same patience to a manager with a different name? I'm not sure what would be different. I was a big Marti backer and I feel like I'd be more empathetic to a new manager in a new situation
Edit: I guess Marti had credit in the bank from the first season which helped. But I'd still imagine everyone who backed Marti would be backing the new manager and open to giving them time. All we ever want is some stability so let's see. [Post edited 23 Jun 14:19]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:34 - Jun 23 with 1096 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:02 - Jun 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Please don’t worry yourself what I think: be your own man.
All QPR managers have bad runs: some can turn them around and others can’t. Both Holloway and Warburton managed to do so, even McLaren initially recovered from a terrible start to a season before succumbing to another bad run in the end. Cifuentes wasn’t as unique as you claim.
Looking forward to seeing you moaning on here about the new head coach in August if he doesn’t hit the ground running: luckily most other supporters will be more understanding and patient. |
Oh I couldn't care less what you think.
I'm not asking you to believe Cifuentes was special, it's just my view. You're telling me he wasn't like it's an objective fact. Which it isn't. Like I said; time will tell.
If we do well and don't flirt with relegation next season under the new manager - feel free to rake up this very thread and I'll admit I was wrong. I'd take great pleasure in that as I'll love the new guy more than the last.
I wonder how bad things would have to get for you to admit the opposite? | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:36 - Jun 23 with 1073 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:02 - Jun 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Please don’t worry yourself what I think: be your own man.
All QPR managers have bad runs: some can turn them around and others can’t. Both Holloway and Warburton managed to do so, even McLaren initially recovered from a terrible start to a season before succumbing to another bad run in the end. Cifuentes wasn’t as unique as you claim.
Looking forward to seeing you moaning on here about the new head coach in August if he doesn’t hit the ground running: luckily most other supporters will be more understanding and patient. |
'luckily most other supporters will be more understanding and patient'
Remember kids, things only need evidence if you don't like them. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:51 - Jun 23 with 948 views | loftupper |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:05 - Jun 23 by Rangersw12 |
Nourry's position will be untenable if this all goes south
We had a competent manager in place but due to ego's who refuse to put the club first they have put another unnecessary risk into what was always going to be a very difficult summer
The club and especially Nourry and Hoos need this to work . I'm crossing everything it does and Dunne resigning does give me a flicker of hope but we desperately need to find 3 teams worse than us as at the moment I fear for us |
I think this gets said every time a new Manager is hired, used to be said about Les, now its Nourry. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:52 - Jun 23 with 941 views | kernowhoop |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:52 - Jun 23 by derbyhoop |
Could Stephan arrive this week? Diarra to come with him? And an analyst?
Marti situation to be concluded. Calm to go as well?
Bestsy to be retained ? |
Not an anal...yst with diarra..hoea, I hope.
Well, at least we now have someone full-time taking care of fitness. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:54 - Jun 23 with 924 views | TK1 |
Has to be a success. Doesn't have to be an immediate success in August, or even much before Xmas as I think people will be very open, forgiving and above all optimistic.
But if it goes badly - let's say he just doesn't fit for whatever reason: can happen, we took Ray Harford who was top of the league with WBA and ended his career more or less - and the board are forced to ditch him, then it'll be curtains for all involved.
Ditching Warbs when they did to appoint Beale finished Ferdinand, Bhatia and in theory Hoos, who instead somehow engineered himself a new title, because it was an unforced, hubristic error.The same would apply here to Nourry and whoever is standing too close to him at the point of impact.
But hopefully it goes swimmingly and instead in ten months we're back to worrying about our manager being pinched for a better job up the food chain. They must really believe in him (and themselves) | | | |
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