| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:35 - Jul 9 with 3396 views | Mirrorball |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 14:10 - Jul 9 by QPR_Jim |
You said identified, if he was already known to us how did Nourry identify him?
I think there was a press release to the fans saying they intended to sack Marti! Of course there wasn't, it was rumored but unless you work at the club you can't say whether the rumor was true or not.
I have an issue with people not rectifying their mistakes in a timely fashion, don't you? Especially when they are supposed to be in charge of something important. Ben Williams was a Retexo hire, so there is a pre-existing relationship to Nourry outside of being a QPR employee which could be a conflict of interest. Do we still use his old company to hire staff? |
I didn't say he identified Marti, I said Lee Hoos said that.
If you are asking how that can be possible then there was a shortlist that included Marti (and others). Someone looked at that list and says the number one person to pick from that list is Marti then they've identified him as the number on target.
The point I made was that one of the people involved in recruiting Marti said he was instrumental in identifying and recruiting Marti and I give his view more credence than your baseless inference that Nourry lied about his involvement.
That there was rumour they intended to sack Marti is very different from it being a fact that they intended to sack Marti.
If Marti had been sacked in October, is that an example of acting in a timely manner? Giving Marti time as much time as we did was the right decision and giving Ben Williams as much time as we did was the wrong decision (in my opinion).
Doing things quickly is not always the best thing to do so having someone who doesn't react too quickly can be beneficial (as it was in not sacking Marti) or not beneficial (as it was in not rectifying the Ben Williams situation).
If you are expecting anyone to always make the right decision then you will end up disappointed. |  | |  |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:00 - Jul 9 with 3096 views | ytt28 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 14:29 - Jul 9 by Northernr |
Two things in our favour on that is this manager so far has burned bright early and faded later, and our fixtures to start to the season are soft as sht. |
Yes but a poor start on the 'soft' fixtures and we are truly stuffed. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:13 - Jul 9 with 3009 views | kensalriser |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:07 - Jul 9 by nix |
A further scenario is he loves the club/fans but is very ambitious and last season showed that staying here is unlikely to move him on in his career development. That's far more plausible to me given his seven clubs in the last 12 years record. Did he fall out with all the CEOs/dislike the formation he was made to play or did he just see the next step up the ladder? On the face of it he's played a blinder: signed a new contract on enhanced terms, got said contract paid up, at least in part, free to take up a new job having dodged the release clause with an enhanced profile in English football. A case of my lawyer is better than your lawyer?
We made a mistake in putting him on gardening leave I think but MC was going anyway IMO. The good news is we have a credible replacement and the MC saga didn't drag on longer. He definitely did a good job for us and generally think well of him but looking backwards isn't productive even though I love Ebs and continue to miss him. |
Is there really any mystery?
For whatever reason, the relationship beween Nourry and Cifuentes had soured and from that point it was always going to be Cifuentes who departed. Had that not been the case I think he would have stayed another season (and I think the case for that strengthens with every day he doesn't get a new gig). |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:13 - Jul 9 with 2998 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
£500k to QPR in compensation. | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:07 - Jul 9 with 2767 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:09 - Jul 9 by TheChef |
"(no offence)"
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Another who conflates the poster and the point being made/contested (and laughs to himself about it, unamusingly). Meanwhile, the odd adult engages. |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:12 - Jul 9 with 2795 views | QPR_Jim |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:35 - Jul 9 by Mirrorball |
I didn't say he identified Marti, I said Lee Hoos said that.
If you are asking how that can be possible then there was a shortlist that included Marti (and others). Someone looked at that list and says the number one person to pick from that list is Marti then they've identified him as the number on target.
The point I made was that one of the people involved in recruiting Marti said he was instrumental in identifying and recruiting Marti and I give his view more credence than your baseless inference that Nourry lied about his involvement.
That there was rumour they intended to sack Marti is very different from it being a fact that they intended to sack Marti.
If Marti had been sacked in October, is that an example of acting in a timely manner? Giving Marti time as much time as we did was the right decision and giving Ben Williams as much time as we did was the wrong decision (in my opinion).
Doing things quickly is not always the best thing to do so having someone who doesn't react too quickly can be beneficial (as it was in not sacking Marti) or not beneficial (as it was in not rectifying the Ben Williams situation).
If you are expecting anyone to always make the right decision then you will end up disappointed. |
I'm not asking for a 100% record, just some transparency and to hold their hands up when they get something wrong. There was no acknowledgement that the consultancy/part time role was a huge failure, him coming back was a "re-structure" rather than rectifying a mistake. The club/Nourry didn't announce a re-structure when he switched from full time to part time either. The only benefit I can see from withholding information like this is that it allows them to create their own narrative at a later date, which should be concerning. After all there's no competitive advantage to the opposition by knowing Ben Williams is now a part time consultant is there!
As NorthernR pointed out, he didn't mention Marti in his article when Critchley arrived because we had a passing interest at that time. It's fair to conclude that he was identified by Belk as our top target back then, so I'm not sure why you are so keen for Nourry to take credit. I can see why LH might be keen for his protege to take the credit, but whether he credits him or not, it doesn't add up so should be queried rather than treated as gospel. |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:20 - Jul 9 with 2735 views | numptydumpty |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:12 - Jul 9 by QPR_Jim |
I'm not asking for a 100% record, just some transparency and to hold their hands up when they get something wrong. There was no acknowledgement that the consultancy/part time role was a huge failure, him coming back was a "re-structure" rather than rectifying a mistake. The club/Nourry didn't announce a re-structure when he switched from full time to part time either. The only benefit I can see from withholding information like this is that it allows them to create their own narrative at a later date, which should be concerning. After all there's no competitive advantage to the opposition by knowing Ben Williams is now a part time consultant is there!
As NorthernR pointed out, he didn't mention Marti in his article when Critchley arrived because we had a passing interest at that time. It's fair to conclude that he was identified by Belk as our top target back then, so I'm not sure why you are so keen for Nourry to take credit. I can see why LH might be keen for his protege to take the credit, but whether he credits him or not, it doesn't add up so should be queried rather than treated as gospel. |
Les identified Cifuentes
We would have chosen him but he cost £1 million to extract him from his contract so we chose Mick Beale instead and therein ended the rein of Les...
It wasn't Nourry, Hoos or Belk... |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:36 - Jul 9 with 2684 views | Northernr |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:07 - Jul 9 by stainrods_elbow |
Another who conflates the poster and the point being made/contested (and laughs to himself about it, unamusingly). Meanwhile, the odd adult engages. |
Once again, you talk to the people on this forum like you scraped them off the bottom of your shoe and then wonder why not many of them “engage”. |  | | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:38 - Jul 9 with 2672 views | Mirrorball |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:12 - Jul 9 by QPR_Jim |
I'm not asking for a 100% record, just some transparency and to hold their hands up when they get something wrong. There was no acknowledgement that the consultancy/part time role was a huge failure, him coming back was a "re-structure" rather than rectifying a mistake. The club/Nourry didn't announce a re-structure when he switched from full time to part time either. The only benefit I can see from withholding information like this is that it allows them to create their own narrative at a later date, which should be concerning. After all there's no competitive advantage to the opposition by knowing Ben Williams is now a part time consultant is there!
As NorthernR pointed out, he didn't mention Marti in his article when Critchley arrived because we had a passing interest at that time. It's fair to conclude that he was identified by Belk as our top target back then, so I'm not sure why you are so keen for Nourry to take credit. I can see why LH might be keen for his protege to take the credit, but whether he credits him or not, it doesn't add up so should be queried rather than treated as gospel. |
I don't care whether he takes credit or not for appointing Marti. I'm simply pointing out that your claim that Nourry lied about being involved in Marti's appointment appears shaky at best given that the people who were actually involved in the appointment say that he was. Obviously, you care a lot 😉
As with all your other "red flags", these are based on the negative inferences you have attributed without any credence. [Post edited 9 Jul 18:46]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:02 - Jul 9 with 2564 views | QPR_Jim |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:38 - Jul 9 by Mirrorball |
I don't care whether he takes credit or not for appointing Marti. I'm simply pointing out that your claim that Nourry lied about being involved in Marti's appointment appears shaky at best given that the people who were actually involved in the appointment say that he was. Obviously, you care a lot 😉
As with all your other "red flags", these are based on the negative inferences you have attributed without any credence. [Post edited 9 Jul 18:46]
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How many posts today for something you don't care about? In fact your first ever post on this forum less than a year ago was to defend Nourry and about 50% of your posts are defending Nourry, so you must care a bit.
Anyway it would appear one mans negative inferences are another mans reasonable assessment, so probably best we leave it there to avoid boring everyone to death. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:20 - Jul 9 with 2480 views | nix |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:13 - Jul 9 by kensalriser |
Is there really any mystery?
For whatever reason, the relationship beween Nourry and Cifuentes had soured and from that point it was always going to be Cifuentes who departed. Had that not been the case I think he would have stayed another season (and I think the case for that strengthens with every day he doesn't get a new gig). |
Well that's your interpretation based on nothing but your opinion.
I've given reasons for my possible interpretation. Him not having a new gig is your only evidence of anything. I don't know the reason for that and I'm guessing neither do you. But him touting himself around other jobs doesn't seem to support the 'he was definitely staying' theory.
The point is that we're both speculating. I can see why you feel confident expressing your viewpoint as it's a commonly held one. However it's no more 'right' because it's repeated a lot. I thought he was going to leave (and not because he's been forced out) and am not surprised he's gone although before this blew up I wanted him to stay. |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:51 - Jul 9 with 2352 views | Mirrorball |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:02 - Jul 9 by QPR_Jim |
How many posts today for something you don't care about? In fact your first ever post on this forum less than a year ago was to defend Nourry and about 50% of your posts are defending Nourry, so you must care a bit.
Anyway it would appear one mans negative inferences are another mans reasonable assessment, so probably best we leave it there to avoid boring everyone to death. |
Maybe it is a lot of posts but people do strange things. If I found someone's posts boring then the last thing I would want to do is to read through all their historical posts, study and analyse them but each to their own 😉 | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:53 - Jul 9 with 2318 views | Bluce_Ree |
I like Marti but now that he's gone, he's basically dead to me. |  |
| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 20:04 - Jul 9 with 2267 views | terryb |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:07 - Jul 9 by stainrods_elbow |
Another who conflates the poster and the point being made/contested (and laughs to himself about it, unamusingly). Meanwhile, the odd adult engages. |
Surely, if you write "no offence", you must know that it is a possibility that the person you reply to will take offence?
Not that I'm saying that any offence was taken. Only the poster you replied to will know if there was. [Post edited 9 Jul 20:07]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 20:09 - Jul 9 with 2240 views | eastside_r |
Well they must have seen something in that game in January, which is a surprise to me, as I was 20 yards from the pitch and I could see f*ck all most of the game! |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:14 - Jul 9 with 2065 views | gigiisourgod |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:50 - Jul 9 by Northernr |
I’m happier than I was a month ago, but then I was ready for killing someone a month ago.
I’m pleased with the manager relative to some of the others we were linked with, but it could be Regis Le Bris or it could be Tim Walter. There are as many warning signs in his history as there are positive ones.
I love the Poku signing. I like the Mbengue signing. I think both show they’ve learned from their mistakes last year around the league’s physicality and our lack of it. Adamson I think is a bit Santos all over again - if you think someone is coming out of the A League to be a starter in the EFL that’ll bite you more likely than it will work.
I liked how we played against Stevenage with more progression out of midfield, but they were shyt and it was little more than a training exercise.
If you go in with those same 4 strikers and that midfield (minus Colback) then you’ll have all the same problems you had in those positions last year. Similarly if the plan is really to swap Paal for Larkeche at left back. But there’s loads of window left and as Dave Mc says “it’s qpr of course they’ll be signing someone”.
ATM I think we’ll be 14-15-16 as usual, mainly because on our budget that’s where we should be. |
What do you make of the Steve Bould appointment? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:19 - Jul 9 with 2042 views | Northernr |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:14 - Jul 9 by gigiisourgod |
What do you make of the Steve Bould appointment? |
Like Poku, a real eyebrow raiser in a very good way.
Tremendous pedigree, coming from a full manager's position with a good club and wants to come and do coaching here? It's a terrific coup on the face of it.
I'm wondering what the catch is - is he going to be punting for the main job himself a la Jack Wilshere at Norwich? And are these increasing links with Retexo and City Football Group a harbinger of something else? But that's perhaps me being a suspicious journalistic git.
On the face of it, really promising.
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:33 - Jul 9 with 1922 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 20:04 - Jul 9 by terryb |
Surely, if you write "no offence", you must know that it is a possibility that the person you reply to will take offence?
Not that I'm saying that any offence was taken. Only the poster you replied to will know if there was. [Post edited 9 Jul 20:07]
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As Morrissey put it, everyone's offended by something/someone these days. What I find amusing here is that those who accuse me of causing offence are frequently those who clearly believe they never do. Which is offensive in itself, if you think about it. | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:46 - Jul 9 with 1889 views | KensalT |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:19 - Jul 9 by Northernr |
Like Poku, a real eyebrow raiser in a very good way.
Tremendous pedigree, coming from a full manager's position with a good club and wants to come and do coaching here? It's a terrific coup on the face of it.
I'm wondering what the catch is - is he going to be punting for the main job himself a la Jack Wilshere at Norwich? And are these increasing links with Retexo and City Football Group a harbinger of something else? But that's perhaps me being a suspicious journalistic git.
On the face of it, really promising.
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I hadn't stopped to think about Bould angling for the top job. But I suppose it gives us an in-house replacement if Monsieur Julien bombs!
And I definitely can't see us being assimilated into the City Group empire. Imagine the embarrassment when we both qualify for the Champions League :-) | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:07 - Jul 9 with 1763 views | lassel |
Done deal. Good result for all parties, we get a part of his payoff back to reinvest and assuming they’re starting/will take a large points deduction he should keep them up. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:24 - Jul 9 with 1671 views | TacticalR |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 14:41 - Jul 9 by BostonR |
Well you can see why they might be interested in Marti. They are facing some tough financial issues even with their parachute payments.
Marti knows the Championship and won’t get them relegated. Will be interesting to see how he performs with that squad and more resources albeit slim - it seems. Good luck to him.
The compensation is business and nothing more - let’s move on. |
His whole time here has been firefighting, so I will be interested to see how he gets on if he does go to Leicester (although maybe some firefighting will be required there too). |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:42 - Jul 9 with 1578 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:24 - Jul 9 by TacticalR |
His whole time here has been firefighting, so I will be interested to see how he gets on if he does go to Leicester (although maybe some firefighting will be required there too). |
I’m wondering and being Leicester they seem to be Able wiggle out of anything the league puts them is if he’s got any cash to spend who will he come back and look to poach off us ?
Varanne
Chair
Dunne ?
we are officially a selling club now , buy cheap and sell on they might be his first targets and he knows we aren’t cash rich . |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 23:09 - Jul 9 with 1451 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:42 - Jul 9 by wombat |
I’m wondering and being Leicester they seem to be Able wiggle out of anything the league puts them is if he’s got any cash to spend who will he come back and look to poach off us ?
Varanne
Chair
Dunne ?
we are officially a selling club now , buy cheap and sell on they might be his first targets and he knows we aren’t cash rich . |
I hope and sort of believe, the rationale for the garden leave was to avoid this type of disruption. We seem to have navigated the situation pretty well and got a lot of business done, with key players tied down with new contracts. Not sure, Leicester will be looking at big money moves for any of our players. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 23:24 - Jul 9 with 1376 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:53 - Jul 9 by Bluce_Ree |
I like Marti but now that he's gone, he's basically dead to me. |
I'm not quite there; when Venables left I wanted him to do really well because I thought he was a football genius and I didn't want to be proved wrong. So I wish Cifuentes well (same goes for Warburton.)
But basically - yeah. Stephan's the man now.
Hoping for something like when Gerry replaced Don Howe. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 23:30 - Jul 9 with 1352 views | daveB |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:24 - Jul 9 by TacticalR |
His whole time here has been firefighting, so I will be interested to see how he gets on if he does go to Leicester (although maybe some firefighting will be required there too). |
will be a lot of firefighting. They look a mess and will likely get a points deduction.
Great opportunity for him though if he gets it right |  | | |
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