| Next weeks fans forum 22:34 - Jul 23 with 26952 views | wombat |
Clive can we get a bingo card going with what we are going to be told on Tuesday night .
I’ll start with serious movement in the ground development scheme
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| Next weeks fans forum on 11:28 - Jul 30 with 2109 views | Stainrod |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:36 - Jul 30 by Markofthegrove |
When I say messaging, I will admit, the way it was said can be interpreted in different ways. Apologies for the lack of nuance.
When I say messaging, I am not saying CN has said specifically he is reinventing the wheel. What I meant was, is that there is this widespread belief in the fanbase that this data, science and development thing is all new and there have been widespread changes in these areas. |
God I am starting to sound like that undercover Nourry PR guy on here, which is not my intention, so apologies, but...
The point is Nourry isn't claiming he has re-invented the wheel. What some fans may think is not his problem. What I did think came across loud and clear last night was that the whole club - right the way down to the under 9s - is basically geared towards becoming a sausage factory for players to sell. So many of the coaches, sports scientists etc are working across all the teams. That might not be new in football but does I think represent something of a change for us. As alluded to by one of the panelists last night, until a couple of years ago (ie Beale), managers were essentially picking the players, and we see the result (JCS always injured, Richards bad egg, Balogoun no commitment to the club, Willock not sold at his peak, etc etc). So that has changed here. And whilst they didnt admit last season's intake of players was a mistake, they are clearly refining the criteria they are looking for (EFL and 3 day a week experience, mental toughness particularly).
Re messaging, sure there is some spin. But Nourry is in a competitive market place without many natural advantages at QPR. If he is to attract players slightly above our level he has to slightly big up our development capabilities. He would hardly be doing his job if he were not talking it up a little bit, as long as he is critical and holds people to account behind closed doors as any good CEO does.
The strategy made a lot of sense to me. Like all theories the challenge will be when we come up against the reality of tough three game week fixtures and an injury crisis. The strategy depends on staying in the Championship, and that is not a given. Only time will tell on that one. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 11:47 - Jul 30 with 2015 views | nix |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:32 - Jul 30 by nadera78 |
A couple of posters complaining that some of us won't give Noury a fair hearing, but for me the issue is that I can never fully trust what he's saying. From the moment he walked in the door he's lied to us, and continues to do so - just last week he claimed to have been a European football correspondent for the Guardian, which is arrant nonsense. It's so unnecessary but it undermines the good work he's done (and he has done some good things). |
I agree it undermines it but it doesn't negate it surely? People being economical with the truth is not unique in public life or definitely not in football.
Does it concern me that CN lies/misrepresents himself? Yes. Do I see changes in the club that are largely positive? Yes.
The two things I like are the greater ambitions in the DS and the more professional approach. I asked Paul Hall what he was expecting from the DS. He said it was really important to help those that weren't going to make it. While true that shouldn't be his first thought and was a piss poor answer in my view.
I asked Chris Ramsey who he'd brought through in development. He said Harry Kane which at the time I thought was a great answer but now I think actually why focus on a player years ago from another club. Too much past glories. Their PRIMARY job is to get people into the first team and/or good enough to sell.
My sense is (backed by observations) we're more set up now with the attitude, personel and back up to do that.
I'm nervous about LB and back up at DM but as PPs have said we've got more Championship experience than we started with last season and better back up in some roles ( Dembele for Chair, Mbegue for CB rather than Fox , Burrell over Lloyd etc.). I prefer Smyth over Chair at LW because of pace and defensive support he offers. I prefer Chair in the middle for his link up play and ability to hold onto the ball. Nervous about Stephan, he hasn't got Marti's proven abilities to get us out of a hole. But I'm hoping we start better and don't get into one! Mid table rather than rock bottom in November would be a pleasant change.
TLDR: more confident about the future nervous about this season if we don't resolve LB and DM. Would put up with obfuscation if club more competently run overall. Jury out but some green shoots. [Post edited 30 Jul 12:07]
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| Next weeks fans forum on 12:06 - Jul 30 with 1879 views | Stainrod |
| Next weeks fans forum on 11:47 - Jul 30 by nix |
I agree it undermines it but it doesn't negate it surely? People being economical with the truth is not unique in public life or definitely not in football.
Does it concern me that CN lies/misrepresents himself? Yes. Do I see changes in the club that are largely positive? Yes.
The two things I like are the greater ambitions in the DS and the more professional approach. I asked Paul Hall what he was expecting from the DS. He said it was really important to help those that weren't going to make it. While true that shouldn't be his first thought and was a piss poor answer in my view.
I asked Chris Ramsey who he'd brought through in development. He said Harry Kane which at the time I thought was a great answer but now I think actually why focus on a player years ago from another club. Too much past glories. Their PRIMARY job is to get people into the first team and/or good enough to sell.
My sense is (backed by observations) we're more set up now with the attitude, personel and back up to do that.
I'm nervous about LB and back up at DM but as PPs have said we've got more Championship experience than we started with last season and better back up in some roles ( Dembele for Chair, Mbegue for CB rather than Fox , Burrell over Lloyd etc.). I prefer Smyth over Chair at LW because of pace and defensive support he offers. I prefer Chair in the middle for his link up play and ability to hold onto the ball. Nervous about Stephan, he hasn't got Marti's proven abilities to get us out of a hole. But I'm hoping we start better and don't get into one! Mid table rather than rock bottom in November would be a pleasant change.
TLDR: more confident about the future nervous about this season if we don't resolve LB and DM. Would put up with obfuscation if club more competently run overall. Jury out but some green shoots. [Post edited 30 Jul 12:07]
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Brilliant post, agree with every word (except perhaps Smyth being a first team starter, would prefer Dembele there and Chair central) but your main points absolutely right IMHO. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:11 - Jul 30 with 1854 views | mart_Goblin |
| Next weeks fans forum on 11:28 - Jul 30 by Stainrod |
God I am starting to sound like that undercover Nourry PR guy on here, which is not my intention, so apologies, but...
The point is Nourry isn't claiming he has re-invented the wheel. What some fans may think is not his problem. What I did think came across loud and clear last night was that the whole club - right the way down to the under 9s - is basically geared towards becoming a sausage factory for players to sell. So many of the coaches, sports scientists etc are working across all the teams. That might not be new in football but does I think represent something of a change for us. As alluded to by one of the panelists last night, until a couple of years ago (ie Beale), managers were essentially picking the players, and we see the result (JCS always injured, Richards bad egg, Balogoun no commitment to the club, Willock not sold at his peak, etc etc). So that has changed here. And whilst they didnt admit last season's intake of players was a mistake, they are clearly refining the criteria they are looking for (EFL and 3 day a week experience, mental toughness particularly).
Re messaging, sure there is some spin. But Nourry is in a competitive market place without many natural advantages at QPR. If he is to attract players slightly above our level he has to slightly big up our development capabilities. He would hardly be doing his job if he were not talking it up a little bit, as long as he is critical and holds people to account behind closed doors as any good CEO does.
The strategy made a lot of sense to me. Like all theories the challenge will be when we come up against the reality of tough three game week fixtures and an injury crisis. The strategy depends on staying in the Championship, and that is not a given. Only time will tell on that one. |
Good and balanced post .
What BW did allude heavily to though was that , the players signed last summer were very little to do with the head coach . Or much less to do with the head coach anyway, and that is where the relationship essentially broke down .
That’s pretty much common knowledge (for most of us ) but the one signing that WAS attributed to Marti , Paul Nardi…appears to be being frozen out somewhat .
Coincidence , or more childish games ?
I don’t know the answer.
I wish someone would have asked what was happening with Nardi (myself included in an email ) as it just seems very strange .
But as mentioned already , disappointed about the amount of questions from the floor. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:13 - Jul 30 with 1846 views | nix |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:06 - Jul 30 by Stainrod |
Brilliant post, agree with every word (except perhaps Smyth being a first team starter, would prefer Dembele there and Chair central) but your main points absolutely right IMHO. |
See what you mean re Dembele. Just wondering about lack of defensive ability leaving LB exposed? If he could improve that like Saito did then brilliant with Smyth there to run at tiring defences in the second half? | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:19 - Jul 30 with 1792 views | QPRSam |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:11 - Jul 30 by mart_Goblin |
Good and balanced post .
What BW did allude heavily to though was that , the players signed last summer were very little to do with the head coach . Or much less to do with the head coach anyway, and that is where the relationship essentially broke down .
That’s pretty much common knowledge (for most of us ) but the one signing that WAS attributed to Marti , Paul Nardi…appears to be being frozen out somewhat .
Coincidence , or more childish games ?
I don’t know the answer.
I wish someone would have asked what was happening with Nardi (myself included in an email ) as it just seems very strange .
But as mentioned already , disappointed about the amount of questions from the floor. |
It won't fully answer your question but did catch a word with Nardi after the Toulouse game. He was by himself on the bench after the full squad walked back in. Asked about the situation and the gist is that he would like to stay but his future is now up to the club to decide. Obviously couldn't say too much but it did just feel a little bit sad | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:28 - Jul 30 with 1734 views | mart_Goblin |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:19 - Jul 30 by QPRSam |
It won't fully answer your question but did catch a word with Nardi after the Toulouse game. He was by himself on the bench after the full squad walked back in. Asked about the situation and the gist is that he would like to stay but his future is now up to the club to decide. Obviously couldn't say too much but it did just feel a little bit sad |
It does feel a bit sad doesn’t it .
Of all the areas during the summer where we thought there might be upheaval, I think the goalkeeper was one of the least pressing .
Have they identified a potential sale there?
Has Nardi decided he wants to go back to France ? ( I know he said he wanted to stay etc but players will say things like that )
Have they decided that to make money on Walsh in the future he needs to play now ?
That’s fair enough , but once again suggests ,without any proof, of preparing for tomorrow whilst ignoring today .
And that’s the bit I’m worried about really .
Because we drop into league 1 then luring players and young players for the DS becomes a whole lot harder .
But as said before , time will tell . | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:43 - Jul 30 with 1648 views | QPRSam |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:28 - Jul 30 by mart_Goblin |
It does feel a bit sad doesn’t it .
Of all the areas during the summer where we thought there might be upheaval, I think the goalkeeper was one of the least pressing .
Have they identified a potential sale there?
Has Nardi decided he wants to go back to France ? ( I know he said he wanted to stay etc but players will say things like that )
Have they decided that to make money on Walsh in the future he needs to play now ?
That’s fair enough , but once again suggests ,without any proof, of preparing for tomorrow whilst ignoring today .
And that’s the bit I’m worried about really .
Because we drop into league 1 then luring players and young players for the DS becomes a whole lot harder .
But as said before , time will tell . |
The long term decision will be between Walsh and Cooper and we'll only find out by them both playing games, probably like you I didn't expect that to happen so soon in our team and feels very harsh on Nardi. I'm just trying to trust the people who get to watch them both every day and hope that the final decision is based on current ability | | | |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 13:32 - Jul 30 with 1481 views | slmrstid |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:43 - Jul 30 by QPRSam |
The long term decision will be between Walsh and Cooper and we'll only find out by them both playing games, probably like you I didn't expect that to happen so soon in our team and feels very harsh on Nardi. I'm just trying to trust the people who get to watch them both every day and hope that the final decision is based on current ability |
I get the logic of trying to get Joe Walsh in as #1, he's been here a while now, he's had loan spells, he's been OK-ish when in the first team, as Clive said to Gab Sutton it does feel now or never for him. To be honest last year was probably the time to do it and not sign Paul Nardi at all, otherwise we've signed a 30 year-old guy on a three-year deal who's got loads of young goalies all queuing up behind him who are all highly rated.
If Nardi was to continue as #1 this year, then arguably it's time to let Walsh go instead and let him build a career for himself.
I like Nardi, but I do sort of get this one. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 13:45 - Jul 30 with 1408 views | Stainrod |
| Next weeks fans forum on 12:11 - Jul 30 by mart_Goblin |
Good and balanced post .
What BW did allude heavily to though was that , the players signed last summer were very little to do with the head coach . Or much less to do with the head coach anyway, and that is where the relationship essentially broke down .
That’s pretty much common knowledge (for most of us ) but the one signing that WAS attributed to Marti , Paul Nardi…appears to be being frozen out somewhat .
Coincidence , or more childish games ?
I don’t know the answer.
I wish someone would have asked what was happening with Nardi (myself included in an email ) as it just seems very strange .
But as mentioned already , disappointed about the amount of questions from the floor. |
Thanks.
Am also a bit perplexed by the Nardi situation. I would be very disappointed if it were as petty as him being Marti's man. The more plausible theory to me was that Walsh was promised a tilt at the number one slot to re-sign, but just another guess.
Re questions, in fairness its difficult (and disrespectful to the player) to explain in a public forum why a player has effectively been demoted. We wouldn't like such things aired publicly after we lost a position. In the internet age we already know way more than when I was a teenager supporting us in the 1980s. I would criticise the club for anything smacking of lack of competence over lack of transparency any time, particularly when it comes to personnel. We may as fans want to know everything, but that is different from having a right to know everything in my view. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 13:55 - Jul 30 with 1344 views | EuroRanger |
| Next weeks fans forum on 11:47 - Jul 30 by nix |
I agree it undermines it but it doesn't negate it surely? People being economical with the truth is not unique in public life or definitely not in football.
Does it concern me that CN lies/misrepresents himself? Yes. Do I see changes in the club that are largely positive? Yes.
The two things I like are the greater ambitions in the DS and the more professional approach. I asked Paul Hall what he was expecting from the DS. He said it was really important to help those that weren't going to make it. While true that shouldn't be his first thought and was a piss poor answer in my view.
I asked Chris Ramsey who he'd brought through in development. He said Harry Kane which at the time I thought was a great answer but now I think actually why focus on a player years ago from another club. Too much past glories. Their PRIMARY job is to get people into the first team and/or good enough to sell.
My sense is (backed by observations) we're more set up now with the attitude, personel and back up to do that.
I'm nervous about LB and back up at DM but as PPs have said we've got more Championship experience than we started with last season and better back up in some roles ( Dembele for Chair, Mbegue for CB rather than Fox , Burrell over Lloyd etc.). I prefer Smyth over Chair at LW because of pace and defensive support he offers. I prefer Chair in the middle for his link up play and ability to hold onto the ball. Nervous about Stephan, he hasn't got Marti's proven abilities to get us out of a hole. But I'm hoping we start better and don't get into one! Mid table rather than rock bottom in November would be a pleasant change.
TLDR: more confident about the future nervous about this season if we don't resolve LB and DM. Would put up with obfuscation if club more competently run overall. Jury out but some green shoots. [Post edited 30 Jul 12:07]
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100%. I'm less down on Larkeche than some, though I'm not sure he's fully ready. I imagine the club will evaluate him until the end of August and then get in a loan if it's not working though I feel that it's pretty similar to the Nardi / Walsh situation. At some point it is put up or shut up time for these players, and if we want to develop players then we may have to endure their growing pains a little. Larkeche has had a good loan at Dundee, at some point he needs game time in the first team. Same with Walsh, or they'll never become starters or (more crudely) sellable assets.
My fear is honestly behind him - Esquerdinha seems good but the tweeting about going home seems a little suspect. Tough for a youngster to go halfway across the world but if our 'depth' is a kid whose heart isn't in it then that gives me a lot of nerves. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 14:04 - Jul 30 with 1277 views | QPRSam |
| Next weeks fans forum on 13:32 - Jul 30 by slmrstid |
I get the logic of trying to get Joe Walsh in as #1, he's been here a while now, he's had loan spells, he's been OK-ish when in the first team, as Clive said to Gab Sutton it does feel now or never for him. To be honest last year was probably the time to do it and not sign Paul Nardi at all, otherwise we've signed a 30 year-old guy on a three-year deal who's got loads of young goalies all queuing up behind him who are all highly rated.
If Nardi was to continue as #1 this year, then arguably it's time to let Walsh go instead and let him build a career for himself.
I like Nardi, but I do sort of get this one. |
Walsh hasn't really had any long loan spells to be honest, only 9 EFL games in his loan at Accrington Stanley in 2023. Meanwhile Cooper has 65 EFL games so far and potentially 40 something more this season.
It'll be interesting which path works out, sticking around as the number 2 then thrust into the first team or the consistent loans getting a ton of experience in EFL 2+1
Agree that both need to playing consistently, here or elsewhere | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 14:40 - Jul 30 with 1152 views | derbyhoop |
| Next weeks fans forum on 13:55 - Jul 30 by EuroRanger |
100%. I'm less down on Larkeche than some, though I'm not sure he's fully ready. I imagine the club will evaluate him until the end of August and then get in a loan if it's not working though I feel that it's pretty similar to the Nardi / Walsh situation. At some point it is put up or shut up time for these players, and if we want to develop players then we may have to endure their growing pains a little. Larkeche has had a good loan at Dundee, at some point he needs game time in the first team. Same with Walsh, or they'll never become starters or (more crudely) sellable assets.
My fear is honestly behind him - Esquerdinha seems good but the tweeting about going home seems a little suspect. Tough for a youngster to go halfway across the world but if our 'depth' is a kid whose heart isn't in it then that gives me a lot of nerves. |
I'm one of the least concerned about LB. Larkeche is still only 22, just come back from a good loan with Dundee, signed a 4 years deal in June (French sources) and, IMHO, no worse than Paal. |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 14:49 - Jul 30 with 1113 views | mart_Goblin |
| Next weeks fans forum on 13:45 - Jul 30 by Stainrod |
Thanks.
Am also a bit perplexed by the Nardi situation. I would be very disappointed if it were as petty as him being Marti's man. The more plausible theory to me was that Walsh was promised a tilt at the number one slot to re-sign, but just another guess.
Re questions, in fairness its difficult (and disrespectful to the player) to explain in a public forum why a player has effectively been demoted. We wouldn't like such things aired publicly after we lost a position. In the internet age we already know way more than when I was a teenager supporting us in the 1980s. I would criticise the club for anything smacking of lack of competence over lack of transparency any time, particularly when it comes to personnel. We may as fans want to know everything, but that is different from having a right to know everything in my view. |
Yeah, again..fair comment | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 14:58 - Jul 30 with 1061 views | A40Bosh |
| Next weeks fans forum on 13:45 - Jul 30 by Stainrod |
Thanks.
Am also a bit perplexed by the Nardi situation. I would be very disappointed if it were as petty as him being Marti's man. The more plausible theory to me was that Walsh was promised a tilt at the number one slot to re-sign, but just another guess.
Re questions, in fairness its difficult (and disrespectful to the player) to explain in a public forum why a player has effectively been demoted. We wouldn't like such things aired publicly after we lost a position. In the internet age we already know way more than when I was a teenager supporting us in the 1980s. I would criticise the club for anything smacking of lack of competence over lack of transparency any time, particularly when it comes to personnel. We may as fans want to know everything, but that is different from having a right to know everything in my view. |
+1
There was is very little acceptance within some of the fan base that commercial and operating sensitivity is a real and actually important thing and the leadership are quiet cos they have to be. |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 15:20 - Jul 30 with 975 views | mart_Goblin |
| Next weeks fans forum on 14:58 - Jul 30 by A40Bosh |
+1
There was is very little acceptance within some of the fan base that commercial and operating sensitivity is a real and actually important thing and the leadership are quiet cos they have to be. |
I think as fans we probably do expect too much info at times, me included.
But let’s not get obscured by the almost complete black out for the last year up until pre season.
I think the club / the CEO have been better since the players returned in the summer though .
The interviews and media coming from France was very good I thought .
But the smoke and mirrors on things like players contracts remain .
He didn’t even really try to answer that last night .
Basically he has his reasons , whether 90% of us think they are ridiculous or not . | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 15:27 - Jul 30 with 949 views | kensalriser |
Well this is all nice and lovely but I'm not really too bothered about what's said at fans forums and by extension, pretty much anything the clubs puts in the public domain (unless it's transparent lies and/or gaslighting).
The thing about football is that smoke and mirrors and spin will only get you so far because every week there's another public progress report, and they do the real talking. |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 15:37 - Jul 30 with 883 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Next weeks fans forum on 14:40 - Jul 30 by derbyhoop |
I'm one of the least concerned about LB. Larkeche is still only 22, just come back from a good loan with Dundee, signed a 4 years deal in June (French sources) and, IMHO, no worse than Paal. |
Paal was decent enough most of his time here but was appalling at times last season, including his final match. In some ways he was frustrating as he didn't seem to improve while he was here, though conversely he was fairly consistent and rarely injured. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:04 - Jul 30 with 838 views | Northernr |
| Next weeks fans forum on 15:20 - Jul 30 by mart_Goblin |
I think as fans we probably do expect too much info at times, me included.
But let’s not get obscured by the almost complete black out for the last year up until pre season.
I think the club / the CEO have been better since the players returned in the summer though .
The interviews and media coming from France was very good I thought .
But the smoke and mirrors on things like players contracts remain .
He didn’t even really try to answer that last night .
Basically he has his reasons , whether 90% of us think they are ridiculous or not . |
I'll never agree with him on that contract thing, and that's okay he's got his view I've got mine, you've got yours.
I didn't like him making out that nobody cares about it other than a few oddballs at fans forums though. That the real, pwopah QPR fans he meets on his frequent tube journeys never mention it.
Firstly, it's irrelevant. There was stuff raised last night that I thought was nonsense, but it's important to somebody somewhere. Just because Gary in the White Horse thinks something but Tarquin in the C Club doesn't is irrelevant to how important that is.
Secondly, you can't on the one hand give it the tubthumping biggun about how important it is that we all stay united and unified behind this team of young players and what a difference we can make to the process, and then in the next breath seek to divide us up like that.
And thirdly, it's not true. It's come up at every meeting I've ever been in with him (and no, not always raised by me), it comes up in the Crown, it comes up on here, it comes up on podcasts, and it was a big part of Dave Mc's interview last week.
So, look, disagree with us on it, fine. But don't belittle it and pretend it's not really a thing like that.
Similarly with Ben Williams attempt to chuck some numbers about to try and prove that actually last season we had a good injury record. We didn't. We had to beg a loan off Southampton because all our centre backs were dead at the same time. To pretend our availability was great because all the women's players and academy players were fit, or because other Championship teams had it worse, is disingenuous. It's also unfair to the people who stood behind the goal at West Brom and watched us play their ten men with Paul Smyth up front, then went to Stoke a week later to watch fcking Dembele play as a centre forward. Just put your hands up, apologise, move on. Don't try telling us black is white. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:40 - Jul 30 with 739 views | Stainrod |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:04 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
I'll never agree with him on that contract thing, and that's okay he's got his view I've got mine, you've got yours.
I didn't like him making out that nobody cares about it other than a few oddballs at fans forums though. That the real, pwopah QPR fans he meets on his frequent tube journeys never mention it.
Firstly, it's irrelevant. There was stuff raised last night that I thought was nonsense, but it's important to somebody somewhere. Just because Gary in the White Horse thinks something but Tarquin in the C Club doesn't is irrelevant to how important that is.
Secondly, you can't on the one hand give it the tubthumping biggun about how important it is that we all stay united and unified behind this team of young players and what a difference we can make to the process, and then in the next breath seek to divide us up like that.
And thirdly, it's not true. It's come up at every meeting I've ever been in with him (and no, not always raised by me), it comes up in the Crown, it comes up on here, it comes up on podcasts, and it was a big part of Dave Mc's interview last week.
So, look, disagree with us on it, fine. But don't belittle it and pretend it's not really a thing like that.
Similarly with Ben Williams attempt to chuck some numbers about to try and prove that actually last season we had a good injury record. We didn't. We had to beg a loan off Southampton because all our centre backs were dead at the same time. To pretend our availability was great because all the women's players and academy players were fit, or because other Championship teams had it worse, is disingenuous. It's also unfair to the people who stood behind the goal at West Brom and watched us play their ten men with Paul Smyth up front, then went to Stoke a week later to watch fcking Dembele play as a centre forward. Just put your hands up, apologise, move on. Don't try telling us black is white. |
Agree with you on many things Clive but I do think contract lengths are significantly more interesting to you than any fan I know personally. Perhaps for you its slightly different because as well as comment you want facts and news to dig into to make the website interesting, but as you acknowledge, nothing is going to change on that, the arguments have been done to death, so why not focus on 100 more important issues? I mean, I am sure SOME fans do talk about it (a lot more on here than elsewhere) but I would also hazard its way down the list compared to why Marti left, or whether we will get another striker, are we going to be exposed at left back, will we get anyone in midfield who can thread a forward pass, etc. To me its about on a par with the PA system.
Re injuries, partially agree. We all know about lies, damn lies and statistics. It was patronising (from Ben Williams?) to say how he gets fan "disappointment when your favourite player" is missing. Few of us are 13 and three quarters. Its "disappointing" because we don't have a fit centre half or centre forward, and consequently are far more likely to get stuffed on the Saturday.
But again for balance: I THINK (I will leave the pleasure of listening back to you) he said that AVOIDABLE injuries were down by 1 last season, but UNAVOIDABLE injuries were up fairly significantly. Now of course, am not a complete plum (just a partial one), I get how those stats could be manipulated. And it doesn't entirely pass the basic "is this what I am seeing test?". But it was also explained why injuries are vastly up across football, and while we focus on QPR, and every opposition team somehow always seems "full strength", especially against us, no doubt other fans grumble about their rising injury rates. More important, surely, is what the club is doing to reduce injury risk? Lowering the age profile is one significant answer, surely? In fairness to Nourry, he didn't sign JCS, Cook, Coleback or Fox. Frey I do take your point on. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:45 - Jul 30 with 732 views | Northernr |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:40 - Jul 30 by Stainrod |
Agree with you on many things Clive but I do think contract lengths are significantly more interesting to you than any fan I know personally. Perhaps for you its slightly different because as well as comment you want facts and news to dig into to make the website interesting, but as you acknowledge, nothing is going to change on that, the arguments have been done to death, so why not focus on 100 more important issues? I mean, I am sure SOME fans do talk about it (a lot more on here than elsewhere) but I would also hazard its way down the list compared to why Marti left, or whether we will get another striker, are we going to be exposed at left back, will we get anyone in midfield who can thread a forward pass, etc. To me its about on a par with the PA system.
Re injuries, partially agree. We all know about lies, damn lies and statistics. It was patronising (from Ben Williams?) to say how he gets fan "disappointment when your favourite player" is missing. Few of us are 13 and three quarters. Its "disappointing" because we don't have a fit centre half or centre forward, and consequently are far more likely to get stuffed on the Saturday.
But again for balance: I THINK (I will leave the pleasure of listening back to you) he said that AVOIDABLE injuries were down by 1 last season, but UNAVOIDABLE injuries were up fairly significantly. Now of course, am not a complete plum (just a partial one), I get how those stats could be manipulated. And it doesn't entirely pass the basic "is this what I am seeing test?". But it was also explained why injuries are vastly up across football, and while we focus on QPR, and every opposition team somehow always seems "full strength", especially against us, no doubt other fans grumble about their rising injury rates. More important, surely, is what the club is doing to reduce injury risk? Lowering the age profile is one significant answer, surely? In fairness to Nourry, he didn't sign JCS, Cook, Coleback or Fox. Frey I do take your point on. |
Do we think the contract thing is more important than whether Stephan has been down his local yet? Or how he’s finding the food? Or whether he’s got any tips for some random 15 year old? | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:59 - Jul 30 with 658 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:04 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
I'll never agree with him on that contract thing, and that's okay he's got his view I've got mine, you've got yours.
I didn't like him making out that nobody cares about it other than a few oddballs at fans forums though. That the real, pwopah QPR fans he meets on his frequent tube journeys never mention it.
Firstly, it's irrelevant. There was stuff raised last night that I thought was nonsense, but it's important to somebody somewhere. Just because Gary in the White Horse thinks something but Tarquin in the C Club doesn't is irrelevant to how important that is.
Secondly, you can't on the one hand give it the tubthumping biggun about how important it is that we all stay united and unified behind this team of young players and what a difference we can make to the process, and then in the next breath seek to divide us up like that.
And thirdly, it's not true. It's come up at every meeting I've ever been in with him (and no, not always raised by me), it comes up in the Crown, it comes up on here, it comes up on podcasts, and it was a big part of Dave Mc's interview last week.
So, look, disagree with us on it, fine. But don't belittle it and pretend it's not really a thing like that.
Similarly with Ben Williams attempt to chuck some numbers about to try and prove that actually last season we had a good injury record. We didn't. We had to beg a loan off Southampton because all our centre backs were dead at the same time. To pretend our availability was great because all the women's players and academy players were fit, or because other Championship teams had it worse, is disingenuous. It's also unfair to the people who stood behind the goal at West Brom and watched us play their ten men with Paul Smyth up front, then went to Stoke a week later to watch fcking Dembele play as a centre forward. Just put your hands up, apologise, move on. Don't try telling us black is white. |
They are politicians now, slaves to public opinion and social media thumbs - i truly believe that, for good or ill - it's all spin.
For the most part I can ignore the bullsh*t and be content with what I see on the pitch and in the league table, but its different for you, you've pulled back the curtain, you're in too deep. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 17:05 - Jul 30 with 649 views | Stainrod |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:45 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
Do we think the contract thing is more important than whether Stephan has been down his local yet? Or how he’s finding the food? Or whether he’s got any tips for some random 15 year old? |
Of course, but you are approaching it as a journalist, wishing to extract information (and for what my opinion is worth, you are an incredibly good and passionate one). For some fans its more a social event, they are probably a bit star struck (odd though that might seem to confirmed cynics as ourselves not impressed by "celebrity"). Some fans might have just wanted to make Julian feel welcome, but no, I don't give a f*ck if he likes the food personally, and if he can't find good food in London that's down to him. One or two fans might not be that enquiring. But that's the fan base. I was pleasantly surprised there was no question about the water pressure...
Where you have a strong case IMHO is that he should submit himself to interview by you, where you could be forensic. In fairness to him he is young, was clearly insecure (which he attempted to hide with jargon and mild boastfulness). But he looked genuinely confident last night (perhaps a little too much) and clearly in control having grown into the role. He has now given an interview to WLS and was last night was generally more open than I was expecting.
So not perfect, but a work in progress surely? For all the slightly annoying buzz phrases and silly job titles, would many of us really want to go back to an AInsworth/ Hoos/ or even Warnock old school way of doing things? | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 17:15 - Jul 30 with 598 views | bullshootr |
| Next weeks fans forum on 16:04 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
I'll never agree with him on that contract thing, and that's okay he's got his view I've got mine, you've got yours.
I didn't like him making out that nobody cares about it other than a few oddballs at fans forums though. That the real, pwopah QPR fans he meets on his frequent tube journeys never mention it.
Firstly, it's irrelevant. There was stuff raised last night that I thought was nonsense, but it's important to somebody somewhere. Just because Gary in the White Horse thinks something but Tarquin in the C Club doesn't is irrelevant to how important that is.
Secondly, you can't on the one hand give it the tubthumping biggun about how important it is that we all stay united and unified behind this team of young players and what a difference we can make to the process, and then in the next breath seek to divide us up like that.
And thirdly, it's not true. It's come up at every meeting I've ever been in with him (and no, not always raised by me), it comes up in the Crown, it comes up on here, it comes up on podcasts, and it was a big part of Dave Mc's interview last week.
So, look, disagree with us on it, fine. But don't belittle it and pretend it's not really a thing like that.
Similarly with Ben Williams attempt to chuck some numbers about to try and prove that actually last season we had a good injury record. We didn't. We had to beg a loan off Southampton because all our centre backs were dead at the same time. To pretend our availability was great because all the women's players and academy players were fit, or because other Championship teams had it worse, is disingenuous. It's also unfair to the people who stood behind the goal at West Brom and watched us play their ten men with Paul Smyth up front, then went to Stoke a week later to watch fcking Dembele play as a centre forward. Just put your hands up, apologise, move on. Don't try telling us black is white. |
"Just because Gary in the White Horse thinks something but Tarquin in the C Club doesn't is irrelevant to how important that is."
Little less of the "Tarquin's" mate, we're not Fulham!
But overall I think you're spot on.
The whole "pas devant les enfants" approach to what fans can and can't be told is ridiculous and patronising.
And Ben Williams doing his best to demonstrate the "lies, damned lies, and statistics" adage is just more of the same but with numbers instead of words.
We're not the fools they take us for. [Post edited 30 Jul 17:22]
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| Next weeks fans forum on 17:31 - Jul 30 with 560 views | Juzzie |
| Next weeks fans forum on 21:14 - Jul 29 by numptydumpty |
They were asked future aspirations and general.word was five years time need be in premier league. We ambitious but realistic was the word
Lot of emphasis on getting young players greater opportunities earlier and sell ons for profits. But negotiating with two years left, offers on table but if not be looking to move players on as need get money in for them and never have chances of leaving for diddly squat.
No new signings today. I thought there would be.
I think myself next one there should not be a need for Christian Nourry to attend and have more on the football side of the club.
But on football side, i really liked how Julien Stephan came across. Was laid back, funny but also focussed and real and can see especially why younger players in past have developed under him and as a fan of Cifuentes myself but he could be quite abrasive / bristly at times and think Stephan would be more of a calming influence as a manager.
We shall see !!!!! [Post edited 29 Jul 21:18]
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"They were asked future aspirations and general.word was five years time need be in premier league. We ambitious but realistic was the word"
'The Five Year Plan' will be the title to the sequel. |  | | |
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