| Next weeks fans forum 22:34 - Jul 23 with 34567 views | wombat |
Clive can we get a bingo card going with what we are going to be told on Tuesday night .
I’ll start with serious movement in the ground development scheme
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| Next weeks fans forum on 08:19 - Jul 30 with 2449 views | daveB |
| Next weeks fans forum on 07:54 - Jul 30 by stainrods_elbow |
How do you know? To make an obvious counter-point, which has been raised before, it's entirely likely that Marti himself chose not to attend. |
That is the most likely reason, he also didn't want to attend any other interview and cancelled the other fans forum in march as he didn't fancy it, no other reasons for him not attending. Nothing to see here |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:32 - Jul 30 with 2351 views | 100percent |
| Next weeks fans forum on 22:47 - Jul 29 by simmo |
It does always fascinate me that people say things that are so easily disproven, and seemingly don't care or think people won't check.
Quite a few examples of white lies or nonsense claims - particularly at these forums - that are completely unnecessary.
Some of the comments from Ben Williams also shows a lack of accountability, which is a particular bugbear of mine. It's fine to make mistakes or get things wrong! Learning from them is what matters! |
I picked up on this completely too.
I don't think that its any coincidence that Noury and his team are 'data and analysis driven'
At times it reminded me of the Cambridge Analytica model - It doesn't need to be necessarily true - it just needs to be believed.
They can say whatever they like in those forums and know that they won't be challenged. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:51 - Jul 30 with 2179 views | 100percent |
My overriding hot take from the Forum was this - Noury has definitely got his complete team now - it was very clear that he was completely in charge of the narrative and everyone - including Stephan - were very much briefed on what their part is and what they could say.
I don't think you will find anyone stepping beyond their clearly mandated defined roles.
Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen - if it is successful then group hugs all around but if we struggle to keep out of the bottom five, something will have to give. How they respond to that will be interesting.
Clearly there were some positives from the Forum - I found it interesting that they had identified certain positions to focus development on - the number 6 role and centre half's seems obvious - but at the same token, why they haven't noticed we desperately need left backs seems bizarre. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:56 - Jul 30 with 2129 views | JamesB1979 |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:51 - Jul 30 by 100percent |
My overriding hot take from the Forum was this - Noury has definitely got his complete team now - it was very clear that he was completely in charge of the narrative and everyone - including Stephan - were very much briefed on what their part is and what they could say.
I don't think you will find anyone stepping beyond their clearly mandated defined roles.
Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen - if it is successful then group hugs all around but if we struggle to keep out of the bottom five, something will have to give. How they respond to that will be interesting.
Clearly there were some positives from the Forum - I found it interesting that they had identified certain positions to focus development on - the number 6 role and centre half's seems obvious - but at the same token, why they haven't noticed we desperately need left backs seems bizarre. |
On the last point. I think that’s slightly different. We need a good left back for the first team but is there a lack of them in football? The point on the number 6 and centre back was to develop our players so that they can be more progressive and turn into these types of players that will ultimately make us money. How I understood it anyway. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:57 - Jul 30 with 2121 views | Logman |
I wasn't convinced by the Fans Forum. Nourry came across as having it all mapped out, but you can be sure as hell, if things don't work out in the first 3 months, then heads are going to be on the block and the talk of nurturing our yougsters will soon change to needing wise heads. Also, there was quite a lot of vagueness over the methodology/operations side. One moment we were being told that all the teams are expected to play the same way - but then it seemed that one team might play with one formation and another with another. How does that work ? As for the figures relating to player availabilities. 85, 91% ? Sorry, but those were just nonsense. And disrespectful to Marti too as there were clearly periods when he had 5 or 6 1st teamers out for long periods. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:00 - Jul 30 with 2098 views | SW_Ranger |
All as I’d expect to be honest for a fans forum. Lots of positive stuff to absorb.
Fans are generally old codgers so we’re using new speak for the young smart fans we want in (before the old ‘un’s pop off)
Flash looking guy in the middle is our coach who will be raffling formations based on our opposition.
We are always looking to improve … on ways to annoy the old codgers (the young fans love it) and special teams always coming up with new ideas (pink 2nd kit was a great one)
We think things will work, but we’ll use the “tweaking” strategy as necessary
Injuries? They’re sportsmen/women - what do you expect (old farts forgetful again)
New players coming in are based on who other clubs are after and we sneak in - science
Heston is nice and shiny with lots of scientific stuff you old guys won’t understand - nice office too for our young teams
Old codgers love a moan - we are looking to help them in any way we can, seems to be working
For all that, it seemed standard fair and nothing you wouldn’t expect the club to put on in this day and age to be honest. Nourry seemed more relaxed and gave expected answers. Similarly Julién seemed comfortable and relaxed too.
Many past forums have focused on the manager/coach/players whereas this was much more about structures and strategies of the wider club, all of which made sense in the big picture. Time will tell but I don’t think they’re afraid to change if needed.
There’s always something to pick at or moan at but generally I feel happier about our club direction. Just want to see my team winning, some nice footie thrown in and some good fan base fun and witty chants (always reliable). |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:04 - Jul 30 with 2059 views | dmm |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:08 - Jul 30 by mart_Goblin |
Only speaking for myself, but my own cynicism comes from how people are treated , be it fans , staff..head coaches ?
Not the decisions taken but how they are done and the smoke and mirrors used to tell us that our own eyes don’t see reality alot of the time .
As most people here have said , there are positives of course .
The plans that are in place or have been tweaked, are setting us up pretty well .
Even Christian looks a little easier and relaxed in front of the fans although he soothed himself with the sound of his own voice for the first 40 minutes.
I would even say I’ve warmed to him slightly after the last few weeks .
But one of his closing statements last night he said (paraphrasing slightly) “ ..and most all it’s important to be open”.
Does he not see the hypocrisy in this statement ?
It crept under the radar but I spat my beer out watching the feed.
He has never been ‘open’ with us and it’s the route of the division between sets of fans.
Ultimately, yes we are setting up the club well to produce young players to sell to make us more sustainable and competitive , but are we sacrificing , be it deliberate or not ,this season and maybe next ?
Still reading people say “ I’m Impressed with the squad being built “.
Yes, for the 2027/28 season.
This squad now is weak , injury prone and unbalanced and will circle the drain again unless added to in important areas.
Only my thoughts . Expect people to disagree, but that’s not moaning for moaning sake .
Just real fears for the season ahead . |
I agree with your assessment of Nourry. I don't like him and I don't think I ever will, even with the outlook of better times in the next few years.
I'm reserving judgment on whether or not we have a better equipped squad for this season. It could be worse, and I've seen the bookies currently have us only just avoiding relegation. But, I feel it could also be a bit better. I don't think we'll get a proper indication either way until the proverbial 10 games in. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:14 - Jul 30 with 1991 views | bosh67 |
I actually thought Nourry spoke pretty well. Yes, I agree it is all too data driven but there were elements of reality in various positions he took over where we stand as a tier 2 business at the moment rather than a tier 1. When you look at what has happened to Sheffield Wednesday and others around us etc. As such, I am a little more settled that we aren't completely doomed like other clubs. |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 09:20 - Jul 30 with 1943 views | 100percent |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:56 - Jul 30 by JamesB1979 |
On the last point. I think that’s slightly different. We need a good left back for the first team but is there a lack of them in football? The point on the number 6 and centre back was to develop our players so that they can be more progressive and turn into these types of players that will ultimately make us money. How I understood it anyway. |
I think we will need to agree to disagree - the fact that our national team are still relying on dragging out Luke Shaw from his injury bed suggests otherwise. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:20 - Jul 30 with 1940 views | derbyhoop |
| Next weeks fans forum on 22:25 - Jul 29 by Northernr |
I’ll go back and check the tape as I write this up, but did he say we actually had one fewer injury in 24/25 than we did in 23/24? |
Weren't they measuring injuries across the whole club? Most fans were only concerned with First Team and don't really care if the Women are fit  |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 09:31 - Jul 30 with 1872 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Well it is a forum with many members so you are always likely to see many different views. I don't see a problem with that as such. Some forums seem more pro or anti CN in general interestingly.
For me, I watched it live on youtube and was quite impressed. CN is clearly very articulate and has a plan that I thought he explained quite well. He did hog it a bit but I think that was partly down to a lot of the questions being directed to him. Julian came across well and clearly has a sense of humour which is good to see. And Andy Sinton, how can you not love that man. |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 09:40 - Jul 30 with 1826 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Next weeks fans forum on 08:08 - Jul 30 by mart_Goblin |
Only speaking for myself, but my own cynicism comes from how people are treated , be it fans , staff..head coaches ?
Not the decisions taken but how they are done and the smoke and mirrors used to tell us that our own eyes don’t see reality alot of the time .
As most people here have said , there are positives of course .
The plans that are in place or have been tweaked, are setting us up pretty well .
Even Christian looks a little easier and relaxed in front of the fans although he soothed himself with the sound of his own voice for the first 40 minutes.
I would even say I’ve warmed to him slightly after the last few weeks .
But one of his closing statements last night he said (paraphrasing slightly) “ ..and most all it’s important to be open”.
Does he not see the hypocrisy in this statement ?
It crept under the radar but I spat my beer out watching the feed.
He has never been ‘open’ with us and it’s the route of the division between sets of fans.
Ultimately, yes we are setting up the club well to produce young players to sell to make us more sustainable and competitive , but are we sacrificing , be it deliberate or not ,this season and maybe next ?
Still reading people say “ I’m Impressed with the squad being built “.
Yes, for the 2027/28 season.
This squad now is weak , injury prone and unbalanced and will circle the drain again unless added to in important areas.
Only my thoughts . Expect people to disagree, but that’s not moaning for moaning sake .
Just real fears for the season ahead . |
You might be right about circling the drain, but obviously hoping that isn't the case.
Yes, we still have roughly the same squad as last season, and are still somewhat weak in the areas that we were weak in last season - strikers, cover at LB etc, but what i'm hoping will be the differentiator, is the personnel having had game time last year to acclimatise to the pace and physicality of the league - Dembele, Madsen (please god Madsen), Morrison, Varane, Celar (come on Celar)... I know Dembele was in League 1, and Morrison has been flirting with the 1st team for a while, but they did get some good minutes under their belts in this division last season - maybe its the same players, but a different version that we'll see this season? Also, a few of the key transfers we have bought in in this window are much more likely to hit the ground running as they have experience in the EFL.
Thats what i'm telling myself anyway, 5 games in I may be saying that this is all sh*t and I hate this club etc etc, but again, I hope not.
As far as Noury, I said yesterday that he's not my cuppa tea, and I still think that after watching the fan's forum – in my eyes he's half a politician, he struggles to give a straightforward answer to a straightforward question, and I suspect his efforts in making this club succeed are more to do with his personal success, and his next career move than it is for the love of QPR - and i'm fine with that as long as we're succeeding, of course.
The thing that I really really LOVE is a plan, he has a plan, he's built a team around him to deliver on that plan, and if that plan takes 2 or 3 seasons to implement and make good, i'm okay with that too, as long as we're improving our competitiveness in this division, not flirting with relegation continually. In recent times, our plans have continually changed to suit the manager, and at least in theory, those days seem to be behind us. |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:44 - Jul 30 with 1799 views | 100percent |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:31 - Jul 30 by CroydonCaptJack |
Well it is a forum with many members so you are always likely to see many different views. I don't see a problem with that as such. Some forums seem more pro or anti CN in general interestingly.
For me, I watched it live on youtube and was quite impressed. CN is clearly very articulate and has a plan that I thought he explained quite well. He did hog it a bit but I think that was partly down to a lot of the questions being directed to him. Julian came across well and clearly has a sense of humour which is good to see. And Andy Sinton, how can you not love that man. |
Sorry to come across cynical here but it was probably more due to the fact that Noury cherry picked and prepared his team for the questions that were asked.
Agree that Stephan seems to have a sense of humour though - he's going to need it...
Andy Sinton is a true legend. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:52 - Jul 30 with 1747 views | mart_Goblin |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:40 - Jul 30 by Monkey_Roots |
You might be right about circling the drain, but obviously hoping that isn't the case.
Yes, we still have roughly the same squad as last season, and are still somewhat weak in the areas that we were weak in last season - strikers, cover at LB etc, but what i'm hoping will be the differentiator, is the personnel having had game time last year to acclimatise to the pace and physicality of the league - Dembele, Madsen (please god Madsen), Morrison, Varane, Celar (come on Celar)... I know Dembele was in League 1, and Morrison has been flirting with the 1st team for a while, but they did get some good minutes under their belts in this division last season - maybe its the same players, but a different version that we'll see this season? Also, a few of the key transfers we have bought in in this window are much more likely to hit the ground running as they have experience in the EFL.
Thats what i'm telling myself anyway, 5 games in I may be saying that this is all sh*t and I hate this club etc etc, but again, I hope not.
As far as Noury, I said yesterday that he's not my cuppa tea, and I still think that after watching the fan's forum – in my eyes he's half a politician, he struggles to give a straightforward answer to a straightforward question, and I suspect his efforts in making this club succeed are more to do with his personal success, and his next career move than it is for the love of QPR - and i'm fine with that as long as we're succeeding, of course.
The thing that I really really LOVE is a plan, he has a plan, he's built a team around him to deliver on that plan, and if that plan takes 2 or 3 seasons to implement and make good, i'm okay with that too, as long as we're improving our competitiveness in this division, not flirting with relegation continually. In recent times, our plans have continually changed to suit the manager, and at least in theory, those days seem to be behind us. |
Yes, you make lots of valid points there for sure .
Especially about the players that came in last summer and they now having a years experience. Should be better equipped in theory than this time last year.
Well I guess we have to see how we start , but I do fear we are concentrating on how to raise capital in the future , which is great , as long as you don’t take your eye off of the here and now too.
Stéphan aside, the other 3 had a lot to say about plans, methods, strategies and ways ahead …but not very much about , results , winning or football based ambitions .
That’s why I was so pleased that Stéphan actually said his aim for 5 years time was to be in the premier league .
It was almost a jolt for the rest of the panel especially , but also the fans in the room and us watching …that this is a football club first and foremost !!
We want to win bloody football matches !!! |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:58 - Jul 30 with 1705 views | Stainrod |
| Next weeks fans forum on 07:40 - Jul 30 by Markofthegrove |
While I do admit thats it good that we are trying to stick to a specific path (data, science, development), I dont accept that this is anything new. The development line was being troped out for years under Ferdinand and Ramsay and they were the ones that started the DS.
We have also been using Andy Belks data for 10 years now, except now he has managed to wangle his way into a job where he is "more empowered".
So yes its good that the message is clear and consistent, but I just dont like the messaging that CN is reinventing the wheel. |
Where did he claim he invented this approach? He specifically said clubs like Brentford and Brighton were light years ahead of us on this because they have been doing it longer and now have much bigger budgets. I think his only claim in this regard was that we were slightly ahead now of the average Championship club in data science.
The only areas where I recall him claiming any kind of novelty factor was having scouts specialising in specific positions on the pitch and a personal player development coach which he said was a strong selling point to young players considering coming here.
Respectfully your post is an example of what I have seen specifically on this board - slightly twisting what Nourry said then beating him up for it. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:12 - Jul 30 with 1624 views | A40Bosh |
Very much enjoyed watching albeit with nothing spectacularly exciting.
A good dose of reality and focusing on QPR as a sustainable business first rather than a dash to the premier league at all costs.
Clear that any capital project investments will only be made where there is a return in the short term. Does spending £1mm on the PA system bring in new revenue - no it just means I actually hear who is being indicted at half time.
It will be interesting to see what the cut in price of a pint of beer will be. I guess 25p off a pint is not going to have the masses running from The C&S and Defectors at midday.
I personally think Ben Williams has been seen by some as the head physio of the 1st team whereas his remit has sat at a strategic level. It seems clear that what interested Steve Bould in coming to us is a chance to operate across all age groups rather than just a first team defence coach so I didn’t get stressed when I heard he would not be in the dugout of a Saturday.
I felt everything about last night was direction of travel and sticking to the philosophy from now on and therefore from Sat week for me all eyes will be solely on JS ability to get the current crop of 1st team players singing so that next season if not this season Varane goes then followed by Morgan, then a Morrison or Poku. The plan being that they get replaced from the production line below and slot in. It’s ambitious but largely sensible because we have gone through enough managers and DOF and chop and change and none of it has worked.
They are asking for both trust and more patience but I guess many in the fanbase have run out of one or the other or both.
More cake tomorrow at the moment. |  |
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| Next weeks fans forum on 10:15 - Jul 30 with 1596 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Next weeks fans forum on 21:35 - Jul 29 by essextaxiboy |
Its built on sand , when ratings go down and its not worth making anymore the names will leave . along with the commercial revenue . |
In England, at least, a season of Wrexham collapsing would be much more watchable. I'd say the ratings would go on a bit longer even if the football dropped off.
I still think The Four Year Plan was the best behind the scenes we will ever get to see. I can't imagine the footage that the owners didn't want getting out if what we ended up seeing passed their veto |  | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:19 - Jul 30 with 1570 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Next weeks fans forum on 21:35 - Jul 29 by BklynRanger |
Which fact did you like most, the one where we had a good season fitness-wise, and he's sorry we didn't always get to see our "favourite players" like we're all 10?
Or the one where there was nothing we could do about the injuries anyway, because they were non-muscle related and that's just the way it is (when the man most responsible spends most of his time elsewhere)?
For balance, he did give a couple of better answers later on in terms of more detail on getting the most out of players. [Post edited 29 Jul 21:36]
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I did a bit of sports science as well. While its true that you can only condition muscles and not ligaments. You can build up certain muscle groups to help reduce the stress on those ligaments.
They sort of implied that a ligament can just tear or break at a whim and there is nothing you can do about it... | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:32 - Jul 30 with 1458 views | nadera78 |
A couple of posters complaining that some of us won't give Noury a fair hearing, but for me the issue is that I can never fully trust what he's saying. From the moment he walked in the door he's lied to us, and continues to do so - just last week he claimed to have been a European football correspondent for the Guardian, which is arrant nonsense. It's so unnecessary but it undermines the good work he's done (and he has done some good things). | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:33 - Jul 30 with 1449 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Next weeks fans forum on 07:32 - Jul 30 by Lanhoop |
Nourry said that there was very little capital expenditure available for the ground this year, hence waiting until next year to make more changes. The magic money tree is bare. |
It's not bare is it? Its going to cover the standard £24 million pounds a year that the club has been losing for a while now.
Lets just all thank our Gods that we don't have an owner like at Sheff W or Reading who is asset stripping and won't leave until they are repaid what they think they are owed
Who would want to be a football club owner?! | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:36 - Jul 30 with 1416 views | Markofthegrove |
| Next weeks fans forum on 09:58 - Jul 30 by Stainrod |
Where did he claim he invented this approach? He specifically said clubs like Brentford and Brighton were light years ahead of us on this because they have been doing it longer and now have much bigger budgets. I think his only claim in this regard was that we were slightly ahead now of the average Championship club in data science.
The only areas where I recall him claiming any kind of novelty factor was having scouts specialising in specific positions on the pitch and a personal player development coach which he said was a strong selling point to young players considering coming here.
Respectfully your post is an example of what I have seen specifically on this board - slightly twisting what Nourry said then beating him up for it. |
When I say messaging, I will admit, the way it was said can be interpreted in different ways. Apologies for the lack of nuance.
When I say messaging, I am not saying CN has said specifically he is reinventing the wheel. What I meant was, is that there is this widespread belief in the fanbase that this data, science and development thing is all new and there have been widespread changes in these areas. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:48 - Jul 30 with 1353 views | QPROslo |
| Next weeks fans forum on 22:23 - Jul 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Why does he always undo good work with a unnecessary lie? |
I thought Nourry was just using a little irony there. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:54 - Jul 30 with 1319 views | francisbowles |
Did anyone else pick up on him saying that we do not follow the DOF model? I.E. he's CEO not CEO/DOF and we don't have a DOF or one in the plan. | | | |
| Next weeks fans forum on 11:02 - Jul 30 with 1264 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:48 - Jul 30 by QPROslo |
I thought Nourry was just using a little irony there. |
He’s got quite the list of little ironies built up.
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| Next weeks fans forum on 11:03 - Jul 30 with 1257 views | Markofthegrove |
| Next weeks fans forum on 10:54 - Jul 30 by francisbowles |
Did anyone else pick up on him saying that we do not follow the DOF model? I.E. he's CEO not CEO/DOF and we don't have a DOF or one in the plan. |
I think he has previously referred to his role as a Sporting Director type role. | | | |
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